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XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 12:15 AM
The community hasn't really heard from oleg and team in along time just updates from thunak and gibbage. I see oleg posts every now and then In other forums just wondering why not here?

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XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 12:15 AM
The community hasn't really heard from oleg and team in along time just updates from thunak and gibbage. I see oleg posts every now and then In other forums just wondering why not here?

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XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 12:20 AM
Oleg only post when he can prove himself right on a debate /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif LOL j/k dont flame me please...nah goahead flame away.

XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 12:21 AM
It is regrettable that we do not hear much from Oleg or the development team in this forum.

From what was said in Birmingham it is down to the arrogance and ingratitude of some posters in this forum, insulting posts and petty arguments have made this forum a bad experience for many.

We once had a developer who took time from a hectic schedule to inform us about game development on a regular basis. Because of the attitudes of a few we have lost this. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif


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XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 02:49 AM
EURO_Snoopy wrote:
- It is regrettable that we do not hear much from Oleg
- or the development team in this forum.
-
- From what was said in Birmingham it is down to the
- arrogance and ingratitude of some posters in this
- forum, insulting posts and petty arguments have made
- this forum a bad experience for many.
-
- We once had a developer who took time from a hectic
- schedule to inform us about game development on a
- regular basis. Because of the attitudes of a few we
- have lost this.

Isn't it the job of the moderators to control that? Are the many loyal customers really being punished because of a few bad apples? Is this behavior not just a reality of interacting with customers in an internet enviroment? Shouldn't a good businessman be able to filter out the junk and just deal with his loyal customer base (even if they are not 100% satisfied, 100% of the time)? Doesn't it just make things worse to provide a forum for customer feedback, but then create the impression that customers feedback is no longer welcome because the developers found some it disagreeable?

If 1C/Maddox doesn't have the time to post here, that's fine. Just say so. I'd prefer they spent their time on the game, but this "punishment for naughty customers" line is getting stale real quick.

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XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 03:29 AM
Unfortuantely the few bad apples seem to be pervasive these days.

It means the game is popular, it also means that the developers cannot mingle as freely with the forums and that every word they say can and will be used against them regardless of context, meaning, or justification.

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XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 12:44 PM
It's a zoo around here nowdays.

No respect - people bashing Oleg in his ready room.

This is a great sim. Too bad we don't talk more about all the wonderful things this sim does instead of all the nit picking about tiny details.

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XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 05:49 PM
Still oleg shouldnt hide from it and I feel posting here is useless and doesnt get read, I have noticed this doing alot of research time and posting data makes you feel bad for skychimp too becuase he probally feels the same way like his data gets unread by the people to who its intended for.

Theres alot of people in here who have a love of aviation history and we post our data sources and many of us are pilots and a small number have experience in warbirds. AT-6, pt-22 & p40n

And as for the forums being a bad place its more likely a handful of users who keep making new accounts but testing 1.2 it really makes me feel 1c is spiteful of the forums

the p39s are pretty much not competitve and hurricanes are the same. p40s roll and top speed are still unchanged at different alts P47 d27 is still the same as well and so is the recoil and I have the feeling the are going to butcher the p51d because of thier hatred.

Its his game and has the right too but i would like to see oleg come around here and maybe get some more mods to clean house, im sure even the mods dont even feel like coming around here.

well thx to IAN BOYS and =38= squad for keeping the ENGLISH forums semi informed

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XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 12:11 AM
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XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 09:31 AM
Hi all
I love this sim game,it's still the best!!!!!!!!
Lots of greetings and respect for Oleg and his team for creating such good product-everybody just want more of it!!!
Oleg and and colleagues please reurn to this forum and make
this place a nicer one.
gprr

XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 12:12 PM
Hi guys,

The reason you haven't heard from Oleg and other directly is that they stayed on in England a while holding various meetings (at one point there were ppl from Moscow, California, Paris, New York and the UK all in one room, a rare event for us!). Oleg is now back in Moscow but with a pile of stuff to do (his lead programmer got stuck abroad when a plane broke down) and Luthier is only flying back to NY tonight. Matt has gone to Moscow for Lock On meetings and our new producer Fabrice is still taking it all in.

But we will try to keep everyone fully informed.

Ian

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XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 10:13 PM
I think Oleg is afraid that he will only get negative reactions and demands for FB as an answer.

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Hunter82
10-10-2003, 12:36 AM
Can you blame him? I mean the general tone that happens in here is horrible.

It's sad when many people who care for the sim are pushed away from here due to attitudes that dominate every post. Heck I just issued a warnign in tech that if this stuff doesn't change I'm done myself. Too many people who give freely of themselves that are involved in IL2 have grown tired of this and I can't blame them either.

You should be glad you still have Ian and Gib still give information.



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- I think Oleg is afraid that he will only get
- negative reactions and demands for FB as an answer.


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XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 03:08 AM
I don't blame him at all, and I havent been around much becuase of this too.

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XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 03:13 AM
LeadSpitter_ wrote:

- And as for the forums being a bad place its more
- likely a handful of users who keep making new
- accounts but testing 1.2 it really makes me feel 1c
- is spiteful of the forums
-
- the p39s are pretty much not competitve and
- hurricanes are the same. p40s roll and top speed are
- still unchanged at different alts P47 d27 is still
- the same as well and so is the recoil and I have the
- feeling the are going to butcher the p51d because of
- thier hatred.
-

Get some PERSPECTIVE.

And last I checked, anyone who publicly states they're testing 1.2 isn't a beta tester (excepting some high profile guys like Ian).

This post is a perfect example of the tripe that pervades these forums.

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XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 04:37 AM
Hunter, it's a shame that it has come to this for you after what you've built in the tech forum. I can't say I blame you since I hardly bother posting in here anymore myself.

The overall tone here is pretty negative although there are a lot of appreciative folks here as well. It would be nice to have Oleg post here again with constructive discussion like the old days.

Message Edited on 10/09/0311:41PM by PriK

XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 05:57 AM
hi,
..OK ..first of all the developer is busy..that's normal..

..and agree to this:

'It would be nice to have Oleg post here again with
- constructive discussion like the old days. '

by the way : constructive discussion needs both...the user and the developer in a fair play ...and objective discussion in some cases are not possible if the developer is arguing in a manner like 'You is wrong'...same to users, when they flame personally...against the developer..and to others..

on the other hand:
..too many points are missed in discussion and not clarified by the developer..

but anyway:..among all ..some news from the developer..and.a lot of good background stuff of warbird tech. history..from many users..



PriK wrote:
- Hunter, it's a shame that it has come to this for
- you after what you've built in the tech forum. I
- can't say I blame you since I hardly bother posting
- in here anymore myself.
-
- The overall tone here is pretty negative although
- there are a lot of appreciative folks here as well.
- It would be nice to have Oleg post here again with
- constructive discussion like the old days.
-
- Message Edited on 10/09/03‚ 11:41PM by PriK

XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 11:30 AM
ORR Could use a moderator as well as a full time job /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
I applied back in the day ...but cartrix probably though that i am too biased LOL


Starfighter do you speak russian?




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XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 11:48 AM
hi,
crazyivan1970 wrote:
-
- Starfighter do you speak russian?

..sorry ..no.. but I've been there twice..

XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 12:19 PM
Why is it so hard, on both sides, to discuss only facts, without going personal? For me, bias-guys and yes-men are playing in the same boring team!

Cheers,

XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 11:50 PM
CHDT wrote:
- Why is it so hard, on both sides, to discuss only
- facts, without going personal? For me, bias-guys and
- yes-men are playing in the same boring team!
-
- Cheers,
-

Yep. But that requires a certain level of maturity and experience talking to people without a keyboard. Sadly, that is not now what it once was and is a product of this sim's popularity.

You'll find the same thing on just about any game forum and might just be a natural evolution. Too bad, yes.

And Starfighter, "you is wrong" is not Oleg's form of l337 5433|< but is a product of his unfamiliarity with the English language. You might want to cut him a bit of slack here instead of getting caught up in the righteous indignation of the group he happened to disagree with. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif




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XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 04:29 AM
Anyone with half-a-brain could see this was coming LONG ago...then again, those of us who did and pointed the out the lawlessness were reviled and the recipients of unending, unmoderated personal attacks.

The moment SOMEONE? decided to let mobs run amok and spam the boards the end result was assured due to the climate it created...

For anyone to assume that the community could police itself under these conditions, fallacy has proven otherwise.

I once suggested UBIsoft hire professional non-community based moderators to ensure that cronyism be kept in check and the rules enforced across the board, but I don't even think that could stop the mindless culture that has been marauding about this poor excuse for a Flight Simulation Website for over 2 years.

But, I should be thankful I suppose...it has taken something that was once classified as an addiction by my wife, to that of a casual hobby, namely Combat Flight Simulation.

I have far too little time to devote to my once beloved pastime, now that my business is going gangbusters...

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XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 07:39 AM
RayBanJockey wrote:
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-
-

agree

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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 08:01 PM
,PriK wrote:
---
-
- Yep. But that requires a certain level of maturity
- and experience talking to people without a keyboard.
- Sadly, that is not now what it once was and is a
- product of this sim's popularity.
-
- You'll find the same thing on just about any game
- forum and might just be a natural evolution. Too
- bad, yes.
-
- And Starfighter, "you is wrong" is not Oleg's form
- of l337 5433|< but is a product of his unfamiliarity
- with the English language. You might want to cut
- him a bit of slack here instead of getting caught up
- in the righteous indignation of the group he
- happened to disagree with.



hi,PriK and CHDT..

..hm..on second thought...
OK.. we are not sitting in a congress meeting with open discussion about sim development , design ...

..I know it from my personally experiences to more different themes and important things in life than 'game design' ...
hot discussion ..but nice people in most of the dissesion...

..why is it so difficult to fix some old mistakes ..easy work in many points..to get this sim more better.... why so obstinate ...???...and believe me... language is not the problem ! ..a wrong designed FW190 forward view is a wrong view in chinese..russian ..english...
...physics, mathemathics and optics is international..
even the 3DMax tools..to fix it..!

OK..there are also other developers in the simgame business ..who take the money every 2 years..and the progress often is few ... (f.e. interactive cockpit design by FS04)

OK.. it's entertainment software....and often the stupid users are consuming without reflection...instead of critic the products...
or.. if possible.. to give new constructive ideas to the developer...BUT THAT..depends on a positive reflection from the developer too...

we are looking forward to this ..in interest to get more advanced combatsims from this development team in the future ....

my two cents to this ..




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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 09:04 PM
As Taz said.... some peoples told there more than one year ago that this place was turning into a whining room.... and that the developper will one day get tired to answer and talk... so that this place will become useless....

Most of the posters didn't care... so it hapenned...

Something that posters that think they're helping don't understand... is that even if they are right in a critic or a comment... the same argument brought again and again in 1000-posts threads aren't constructive, not helping... just tiring for everybody, including the developper.

The developper is the one who's taking the decisions (and the risks to disapoint the players)... not the posters here... and if he decide that something is "right"... even if some have the feeling he's wrong (with all the justification they can find), the final decision from the developper is the "law"... and the developper is a human who's entitled to errors.

This game has many features that deserve players attentions, suggestions, comments, critics, etc... not just one. Many features could be enhanced with reasonable arguments and dicussions.... and a constructive debate with the developper would help to enhance theses feature and the game.
But for this to happen, the posters must understand that they have to avoid stiking to one single point and argue to death in order to proove the designer he's wrong on a particular point..... they must understand they have to accept the developper decisions even if they feel he's wrong on a particular point.... and that it's much more usefull for everybody to skip to another point in order to get that other point enhanced.
With a reasonable debate like this "ideal" one... then maybe some points would stay "wrong" to some... but many other would have a better treatment.

instead of that.... almost everybody there stick to one single point (generally something they find bothering on their favorite AC)... and argue and debate at nauseam... which will in all case upset some other posters, bring on flame war... and which is worse, upset the developper.... who will finally just stop reading and debating.

In fact... and maybe (I would say probably) they don't realise it... but most of the posters are more interested in being prooven right than to help enhancing the game.... like in all the other forums... in fact they don't see this forum as a "special place" where some usefull debat could be conducted... that would require us to leave our ego apart.

I don't think this would change.... I even think this post is totally useless (as the posts I did more than one year ago... but today I'm in the right mood to post useless stuff./i/smilies/16x16_man-happy.gif ..)... so we will continue to have a useless ORR.

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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 10:06 PM
"instead of that.... almost everybody there stick to one single point (generally something they find bothering on their favorite AC)... "


Like you did, with some success, just after patch 1.1 when the 190 seemed too much efficient for you /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

First time that I use St Mathieu on this forum:

"Pourquoi vois-tu la paille qui est dans l'oeil de ton fr√¬®re, et n'aper√ßois-tu pas la poutre qui est dans ton oeil?"

Sans rancune /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


=> I'm out



Message Edited on 10/13/0309:10PM by CHDT

XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 10:09 PM
For people who don't speak French, I told Rama the very wise St Mathieu's words about the "straw and the beam" /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


This time, I'm really out!



Message Edited on 10/13/0309:11PM by CHDT

XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 10:24 PM
starfighter1 wrote:
[snip]
-
- ..why is it so difficult to fix some old mistakes
- ..easy work in many points..to get this sim more
- better.... why so obstinate ...???...and believe
- me... language is not the problem ! ..a wrong
- designed FW190 forward view is a wrong view in
- chinese..russian ..english...
- ...physics, mathemathics and optics is
- international..
- even the 3DMax tools..to fix it..!
-
[snip]

The above quote, in a nutshell, is a prime example of why Oleg & Co. do not participate here much anymore. A vocal minority sees itself as very "right" so Oleg must be "wrong" in its view. These people do not really want to discuss anything, anymore--that matter has been decided in their own threads and their own minds already. Why should Oleg voluntarily come here to listen to their monologue, again, and again? Sure, Oleg asked for suggestions and help from the IL-2 community in general. The ideal was to have the community and developers participate in information exchange. But, Maddox did not agree to be directed by popular opinion, or online polls--no matter how good the intentions of those posting. IMO, no wonder he decided to opt out of further FW190 thread debates, and perhaps, the rest of ORR.


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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 11:53 PM
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XyZspineZyX
10-14-2003, 12:01 AM
CHDT wrote:
- Like you did, with some success, just after patch
- 1.1 when the 190 seemed too much efficient for you

Please quote any post in which I said something even close to what you said I was saying.... I never thought the 190 was too much efficient and never said or wrote anything close to this...

you just wrote the typical polemical post with no other reason than to bring up the dispute.... good example of what is totally useless on ORR.
But this time you're totally aside your shoes.... sorry...


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XyZspineZyX
10-14-2003, 12:16 AM
Oups, my deepest apologizes to you Rama, I just remembered the name of the guy who made this efficient lobbying and it was not you! Once again, sorry.

Cheers,

XyZspineZyX
10-14-2003, 08:51 AM
hi,
..rbstr44
.to my information by some betatesters..the Maddox team know the problems and also some special old mistakes with the camera view in the game since IL2 came out..

..it depends of interest and time to fix it ...but that's a story by intern discussion at the developer team...

official at marketing prospect ..in many points they have no interest to manifest some main mistakes into this forum..

OK..we are looking forward to more success up to next Addons and the coming BoB ...

by the way ..it's time that the users stick together more than in the past....

my plea of justification and privilege of paying customers..



rbstr44 wrote:
- starfighter1 wrote:
- [snip]
- [snip]


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XyZspineZyX
10-14-2003, 03:40 PM
Not that the mods dont have enough to do already but..... if perhaps they just deleted posts that were either inappropriate or in the wrong place....no questions or exceptions.. then some of the folks in here would get the hint and if they have a valid point they wanrt to make they will post it correctly. One thread for one subject....disrespectfull threads get deleted...not locked just deleted....sooner or later people will get the messager... Then again it's probably moot anyway. We have to remember in the beginning Oleg although ver busy probably had more time on his hands than now. I may be mistaken but I am almost certyain that IL2 & FB combined have been the biggest money makers for 1C. With that FPS he is working on and BoB..(which I hope will actually be a combo of the two../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif ) He probably has even less time obn his hands. Still it would be nice to see that name in Red again every once in a while instead of every loooong while.

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XyZspineZyX
10-16-2003, 07:57 AM
I opt for more censorship...


Simply put, moderators are hired/asked to do this job and it can't be that difficult to find words related to topics like "you s***" etc....

Simply press the "delete" button for the whole post as soon you find one keyword.
Have a counter running with this and each time a poster's post is deleted he will receive a message like "deleted due to use of X" (x= being the reason) As soon as this guy has more than 4 of such posts, ban him. SImply as that.

On the other side I think that if the developer asked for input he should be able to handle it. Of course there will be whiners (including me as an forward View-whiner... *g*) but what else are we asked to say here ?

Whether it will be people lamenting about parachutes, dust particels etc. It's still a complaint. Of course we appreciate his work (we bought it after all and I convinced about 4 friends to buy the product too...) so SALES-Information is all he needs to see his product is appreciated.

If the designebrs decided to have a forum and ask US (the customers) what to do better so MORE people are happy then they should be ready for some criticism. Of course, they can set the rules for this criticism and use of proper language is a MUST-HAVE for everyone involved.

I still remember when even small news from the developers resulted in "Thank you oleg"-Threads emerging like funghi.... So in all there'S allways interest in this product. Unfortunately, by allowing posters to further post their rubbish and changing this stuff into "political"-discussion has resulted in the situation we have now.

I think a degree of censorship is not bad.. Nobody will be hurt. I still think that a degree of irony is not bad. But all we have now is sarcasm and cynism and that's bad.

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XyZspineZyX
10-19-2003, 04:46 PM
Oleg?

No longer reply to requests for info? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-20-2003, 12:28 AM
simply put they dont care.

They put out a substandard game and everyone should be happy with it. But we arent and said so and now we are nothing but a bunch of whiners so they stopped posting here.





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Hunter82
10-20-2003, 04:50 PM
How you could call FB substandard incomparison to any other sim available is for lack of a better term hilarious... it has it's issues granted but substandard is not one of them.


LW_lcarp wrote:
- simply put they dont care.
-
- They put out a substandard game and everyone should
- be happy with it. But we arent and said so and now
- we are nothing but a bunch of whiners so they
- stopped posting here.


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XyZspineZyX
10-20-2003, 05:39 PM
LW_lcarp wrote:
- simply put they dont care.
-
- They put out a substandard game and everyone should
- be happy with it. But we arent and said so and now
- we are nothing but a bunch of whiners so they
- stopped posting here.

Face it Icarp, FB is not substandard it IS the standard. As others have stated, it's a work of art ... and a work of art is of necessity an evolutionary process. In terms of evolution IL2 Sturmovik FB is at the top of the food chain.

OC

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XyZspineZyX
10-20-2003, 06:10 PM
Hunter82 wrote:
- How you could call FB substandard incomparison to
- any other sim available is for lack of a better term
- hilarious... it has it's issues granted but
- substandard is not one of them.


K i guess sudstandard is a little rough but when ya come from the top of the heap with IL2 (Origanal) that played very good in multiplayer and sounded great to FB you would expect that it would of improved.

How many bugs were in FB when it was released? i think it was around 500 known bugs. How many bugs are still present in the game? Unknown... I know of the sound bug thats still present and problems with some video cards. Plus various FM and DM problems. Is that supossed to set a new higher standard. I think not. They should of just left it as an add-on as it was first planed and went from there.

Im I disapointed in the game play of FB in certain ways extrememly disapointed, game play and online problems have made this game almost unenjoyable. And sound issues make listening to the roar of of these great planes a hilarity. They single handedly made them sound like lawnmowers on steroids. Where the throaty growl of a merlins or the Pratt and Whitneys and Allisons. they all sound like blenders and lawn mowers.

The online stuttering is 100% worse also never seen warping like there is present in FB. You can goto other multiplayer games where there are over 50 people in a game and get nowhere near the lag that is present in FB.

So you tell me does this make it the Top of the heap?






"Of all my accomplishments I may have achieved during the war, I am proudest of the fact that I never lost a wingman. It was my view that no kill was worth the life of a wingman. . . . Pilots in my unit who lost wingmen on this basis were prohibited from leading a [section]. They were made to fly as wingman, instead."
Erich 'Bubi' Hartmann "Karaya One"

Hunter82
10-20-2003, 11:03 PM
The sound issue is a problem...we all know that...hurricanes and others sound like lawn mowers and chainsaws but hardly a show stopper overall.

The lag issue is generally poor hosting IMO . Skin d/l on servers should not be on and off on the client machine also... 1 MB skin tranfers are too big for most users and cause lag stutter like you couldn't believe. Also usesr who leave incomplete/corrupt skins in their netcache folder are asking for trouble as these when attempted to be drawn cause stutter also. Too many host use the incorrect speed of 14.4 for hosting (HL default) which can cause transfer issues also...there are many cause for online lag/warp but not all due to netcode /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

And after all is said and done yes it's still the top of the heap...tried CFS3 or any other sim available lately? I'd say even with some of the issues this is still the champ all around with IL2 original being the close 2nd /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

And if it wasn't would you or many others still be here? Food for thought but there must be a reason we all play this....if it was so horrible wouldn't we all go back to the close 2nd of IL2? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


LW_lcarp wrote:

- K i guess sudstandard is a little rough but when ya
- come from the top of the heap with IL2 (Origanal)
- that played very good in multiplayer and sounded
- great to FB you would expect that it would of
- improved.
-
- How many bugs were in FB when it was released? i
- think it was around 500 known bugs. How many bugs
- are still present in the game? Unknown... I know of
- the sound bug thats still present and problems with
- some video cards. Plus various FM and DM problems.
- Is that supossed to set a new higher standard. I
- think not. They should of just left it as an add-on
- as it was first planed and went from there.
-
- Im I disapointed in the game play of FB in certain
- ways extrememly disapointed, game play and online
- problems have made this game almost unenjoyable. And
- sound issues make listening to the roar of of these
- great planes a hilarity. They single handedly made
- them sound like lawnmowers on steroids. Where the
- throaty growl of a merlins or the Pratt and Whitneys
- and Allisons. they all sound like blenders and lawn
- mowers.
-
- The online stuttering is 100% worse also never seen
- warping like there is present in FB. You can goto
- other multiplayer games where there are over 50
- people in a game and get nowhere near the lag that
- is present in FB.
-
- So you tell me does this make it the Top of the
- heap?


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XyZspineZyX
10-21-2003, 12:02 AM
well if this is Oleg's ready room and he's not gonna read it, why have it?

XyZspineZyX
10-21-2003, 12:18 AM
xTHRUDx oleg was here just last night and posted maybe with good questions and less bi**hing he will come back more often

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