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XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 02:31 PM
I, on countless occasions, online and off, will be dogfighting with another plane and lose track of my speed, and stall, which is very annoying. I have also noticed in planes such as the FW190 (all versions) and Yak(all versions) you can very easily pull out of certain stalls. Can this be used as a tactic?


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XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 02:31 PM
I, on countless occasions, online and off, will be dogfighting with another plane and lose track of my speed, and stall, which is very annoying. I have also noticed in planes such as the FW190 (all versions) and Yak(all versions) you can very easily pull out of certain stalls. Can this be used as a tactic?


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XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 02:33 PM
It can definitely be a tactic. I've gotten proficient with stalling my 109, cutting turns far better than I could without the stall, and voila, I'm on a bandit's six.

As long as you don't overdo it it's definitely handy to know how to use.



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XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 02:35 PM
I've tried online to stall then pull out of it, trying either to get the plane on my six to follow me into it or pull off, of course, after I pulled out he just zoomed around and shot my engine out /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif


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XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 02:37 PM
yes i use it as a tactic all the time in a Yak 9 when i'm in trouble, just get em close behind you, go vertical then violently pull the stick backwards, flick the ailerons fully to the right/left and put in an input of FULL OPPOSITE rudder, should get you turning tricks and falling awesomely, but then you can recover VERY quickly with enough practice and hey presto he's no longer on your six.

XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 02:45 PM
Classicaero,


My favourite trick is this too... sort of...

Basically, let them get in close, cut off all power... then pull back violently... (usually a quick dip of the nose before helps to give you a flick) then they fly right past... and Im on their six!

Mental move... but it works - the only thing is that you have to regain your speed or else the bad guy will get away from you - depends on the aircraft matching etc... but if you get in a few shots its pretty easy to take them down.

Main thing is that their not on your six anymore, and you're on theirs...



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XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 03:30 PM
You guys really use that as a tactic? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

I'm shocked really! I do get into a stall every now and then but, I never do this intentionely. This just eats energy more then anything. And energy bleeding is not very wise, especially in late war german aircraft.

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XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 03:45 PM
It may seem like E loss but you can head into a turn at much higher speed, take the turn, lose some speed while stalling, and end up at a higher or same speed than you would have without the tactic.

Example: Say I'm flying a 109 or 190D9 and I'm flying right towards a set of 3 bandits coming at me. I dive while they're 5-6 kms out, then pull up, gain some altitude, then when they're ~ 2.5 kms I crank it upward, hang a stall turn 180 and recover and they're right in front of me, I'm higher than them and still have my speed. Works well for me.





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XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 03:47 PM
Not into using stalling as a tactic but I've used spins and slowing down (flaps + gear down) when trying to shake someone. I'm aware of my energy state and altitude when I do it tho, if done properly it works a treat. Got a Yak last night doing exactly that http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-25-2003, 11:38 AM
Yeah I use stalls too, bit of a hangover from when I first started FB!

Once I had learnt to counter stalls and spins I found it a good tactic in the D9 for TnB when I haven't gained altitude quickly enough.

Having the flaps close to hand helps too!

More difficult to use on a no stalls or spins server though as the feed back seems out of whack!

XyZspineZyX
06-25-2003, 05:09 PM
I just hope/wish, whatever that when the patch comes out e-bleed is greater, easpecially with stalls, due to the fact that everywhere you go, if you BnZ, which I do, right at firing distance they decide to spin, for a sec. you have to move from smashing into them now, or it completely messes your shot, and then they just pull out of it with little to no energy loss. It is crazy.

Remember in IL-2, when stalling wasn't a good idea, man now its the norm. In IL-2 stalling for a split second was ok, but if you went as far as going into a spin, your energy would be 200 in no time.

Now this will sound dumb coming from me cause I am not interested in Real life plane flying, as this is a game, but.... No pilot would stall themselves to get an advantage.... cause it wouldn't give you any, just maybe a pass of life then a spiral to death, or low and slow if you pulled out.

I just wish there was some sort of penalty for doing this 24/7, cause I am sure it bleeds your E state now, but its not enough to make a difference in the overall scheme of things and they dodge your passes evertime, unless you spray lucky.

XyZspineZyX
06-25-2003, 05:43 PM
Hi,

I think Stalling and spinning is a Nuisance if you are not sure on how to control them, and they happen just at the worst possible moment as you may fight to control your machine.

For me ..
Stalling and Spinning as tactics are excellent!, anyone can get into a stall or spin but the real tactical part is the speed at which you recover, and you can recover at an exact moment in order to face the direction you wish to shoot!.

They are asscoiated with speed loss this is true, but sometimes this is a small sacrafice if you can place yourself in a position where you can shoot an enemy down, and knowing he cant shoot back!.

The only unrealistic effects of stalling and spinning is that we don't get the effects of dizzyness, inertia or the geforces applied to the body or aircraft while performing them. but Its only a game /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif



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XyZspineZyX
06-25-2003, 05:46 PM
Deffinitely a tactic, especially for 190`s. I do it all the time, which causes your oppenent to overshoot and become a target...not always, but happens /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-25-2003, 05:50 PM
with online dog fighting people use it to thier advantage to an extreme especially when boom and zooming on them. The way the game currently is with no airframe overstressing people can do wacky stall manuevers no wwii plane could have survived. I havent heard anything about it being in the patch but it is needed in FB

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