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EzioAssassin51
11-11-2009, 10:49 PM
Hey everyone!


I was thinking abot this today and i just wnat to know who controls Desmond in the game?

Is it Lucy or Desmond himself?

Edengoth
11-11-2009, 11:08 PM
Huh? How would Lucy control Desmond? Do you mean when he's in the Animus? Because that's Desmond. In AC1, Desmond was put through a tutorial. In AC2, he is being trained by reliving Ezio. Neither of those would make sense if Lucy were controlling him controlling an ancestor.

florisz1990
11-12-2009, 12:16 AM
You are controlling Desmond when he's not in the Animus?

Iskander_Estel
11-12-2009, 01:01 AM
can anybody explain? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

well as far as i can tell nobody controls Desmond
and what we see in the animus it's suppose to be just a memory (Desmond can see throuhg Ezio and Altair's eyes)

Impulsez
11-12-2009, 01:57 AM
If you're tlakign about how lucy controlled the animus while desmond was in it, it is a new girl called Rebecca (so we think) so yeh it's not lucy or desmond it's a diffwerent assassin sort of the brains (technical side because there is another assassin that teaches you about the historical facts i think)

Hope that helped

EzioAssassin51
11-12-2009, 02:27 AM
NO! I'm not talking about AC2! I'm talking about AC in general!

I'm talking who controls him while he's in the animus!

I think you guys are right! it's a memory but i want to know whether ot not Desmond is controlled in movements by someone or not!

Choopius
11-12-2009, 02:52 AM
Originally posted by EzioAssassin51:
NO! I'm not talking about AC2! I'm talking about AC in general!

I'm talking who controls him while he's in the animus!

I think you guys are right! it's a memory but i want to know whether ot not Desmond is controlled in movements by someone or not!

Dude, Desmond controls f'ing Desmond.

Go sit in a chair and fall asleep. Now who's controlling you?

Exactly.

kew414
11-12-2009, 02:55 AM
I control him http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

M-dahaka
11-12-2009, 03:49 AM
that's a lie!!!! I control him!!!

anyway, the only thing Lucy did in AC1 is let Desmond access the files, but he controls the movement of Alta´r/Ezio.

caswallawn_2k7
11-12-2009, 04:39 AM
but he controls the movement of Alta´r/Ezio.
no body controls that as they are memories of past event's so everything Desmond is seeing in the animus has already happened, so it technically cant be changed.

Gazman16
11-12-2009, 05:06 AM
Desmond controls you. Think about it, you are the one arranging your life around his next appearance...

El_Sjietah
11-12-2009, 06:55 AM
Lucy does obviously. The animus links to the video game that's hidden in every human brain. Kind of like an easter egg put there by God.
Not to be confused with bugs, like our excessive need to feel accepted or inconsistencies like ***** size.

Mr_Stunner
11-12-2009, 07:04 AM
I guees Desmond controls ALtair/Ezio. Because of the synchronization bar. Like, if Desmond proceed like his memories it's ok. If he does things in a different way the synchronization bar gets low till it's completly out of the reality it was

GCconure
11-12-2009, 07:36 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif
Originally posted by Choopius:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by EzioAssassin51:
NO! I'm not talking about AC2! I'm talking about AC in general!

I'm talking who controls him while he's in the animus!

I think you guys are right! it's a memory but i want to know whether ot not Desmond is controlled in movements by someone or not!

Dude, Desmond controls f'ing Desmond.

Go sit in a chair and fall asleep. Now who's controlling you?

Exactly. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

nicky117
11-12-2009, 08:10 AM
Originally posted by El_Sjietah:
Lucy does obviously. The animus links to the video game that's hidden in every human brain. Kind of like an easter egg put there by God.
Not to be confused with bugs, like our excessive need to feel accepted or inconsistencies like ***** size. i have a game in my brain? sweet! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

ctuagent15
11-12-2009, 10:02 AM
Originally posted by Iskander_Estel:
can anybody explain? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

well as far as i can tell nobody controls Desmond
and what we see in the animus it's suppose to be just a memory (Desmond can see throuhg Ezio and Altair's eyes)

I'l try and explain it.

This is how I think it works, I hope it helps.

The animus does not just read the genetic memory's like a movie, in order to gain access to his/her ancestors memories the subject has to be in sync with the ancestor, to get in sync the subject has to relive there ancestors life at around the time of the memory there trying to access, meaning they have to be the ancestor, act like them, do things they did and don't do things they wouldn't do.

How the animus allows the subject to relive there ancestors life is by using historic records and there genetic memory to create a virtual world with all of the places and people that the ancestor know of at that point in his/her life.

It then give's the subject fall control of there ancestor, there then free to do what they want, but in order to gain access to any important memories, like conversations they had or things they witnessed, they have to reenact what there ancestor did leading up to them as closely as possible.
For example, this say that the ancestor had a conversation with someone that he/she was sent to kill, but this person was in hiding, the ancestor had to find him then kill his bodyguards to get to him, then before he killed him they had a chat, if the subject wants to gain access to this conversation he/she has to reenact the search and the killing of the bodyguards, but does not have to do them in the same way.

Edengoth
11-12-2009, 04:28 PM
Originally posted by caswallawn_2k7:
no body controls that as they are memories of past event's so everything Desmond is seeing in the animus has already happened, so it technically cant be changed.
Not so. There would be no need for a tutorial if that were the case. Or a sync bar. Desmond must guide Altair along the path of his memories, and falls out of sync if he strays too far.

caswallawn_2k7
11-12-2009, 04:33 PM
Originally posted by Edengoth:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by caswallawn_2k7:
no body controls that as they are memories of past event's so everything Desmond is seeing in the animus has already happened, so it technically cant be changed.
Not so. There would be no need for a tutorial if that were the case. Or a sync bar. Desmond must guide Altair along the path of his memories, and falls out of sync if he strays too far. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>that falls under the fact it's a game. if they didn't let you play the memories and include some form of health it wouldn't be a very good game now would it?

yes please buy our game you get to play about 15 minuets of it and the rest is all FMV's http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

ctuagent15
11-12-2009, 04:45 PM
caswallawn did you read my early post, if gives a explanation as to how the animus works

TyronLeRoy
11-12-2009, 06:43 PM
Originally posted by Choopius:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by EzioAssassin51:
NO! I'm not talking about AC2! I'm talking about AC in general!

I'm talking who controls him while he's in the animus!

I think you guys are right! it's a memory but i want to know whether ot not Desmond is controlled in movements by someone or not!

Dude, Desmond controls f'ing Desmond.

Go sit in a chair and fall asleep. Now who's controlling you?

Exactly. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Haha, epic post.
Assassin_Ki gave a good explanation though.

ProjectXigis
11-12-2009, 09:31 PM
Picture it like this:

Desmond controls himself -> Desmond controls Altair/Ezio.

Lucy controls herself.

Also, to cas2k7: Then why would they make a game where you can make him do something different each time you play? You know what I mean?
btw; it's actually a question.

EzioAssassin51
11-12-2009, 11:13 PM
That's right!

Now i remember why i post this in the first place! I remember Vidic threatening Desmond that if he didn't go along with the Animus thing they would put him in a coma, do what they need to do then let him die! So i don't get who would have controlled him then! would have just been an automatic memory like stated in a previous post?

dd22cowboys
11-12-2009, 11:53 PM
In soviet Russia, Desmond controls YOU!

Sry couldnt resist...

ctuagent15
11-13-2009, 06:18 AM
Originally posted by EzioAssassin51:
That's right!

Now i remember why i post this in the first place! I remember Vidic threatening Desmond that if he didn't go along with the Animus thing they would put him in a coma, do what they need to do then let him die! So i don't get who would have controlled him then! would have just been an automatic memory like stated in a previous post?
Yes they can just put him in a coma to get the memory but its a lot harder and will result in his death or at-lest a total mental break down,
by having the animus make a virtual world were the subject can relive there ancestors life makes it easer to get the memories, as long as the subject does as there told, and they wont die, but it can take longer

breakdown89
11-13-2009, 10:00 AM
Originally posted by Choopius:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by EzioAssassin51:
NO! I'm not talking about AC2! I'm talking about AC in general!

I'm talking who controls him while he's in the animus!

I think you guys are right! it's a memory but i want to know whether ot not Desmond is controlled in movements by someone or not!

Dude, Desmond controls f'ing Desmond.

Go sit in a chair and fall asleep. Now who's controlling you?

Exactly. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
LIES!!!! THE TEMPLARS ARE CONTROLLING ME!!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

younas456
11-13-2009, 01:25 PM
i don't know if i know right but isn't it they how controls the computer who has the control if it is problems they wake him up:P XD thats what i think is a answer for you

EzioAssassin51
11-13-2009, 02:37 PM
Originally posted by lion.cesar:
i don't know if i know right but isn't it they how controls the computer who has the control if it is problems they wake him up:P XD thats what i think is a answer for you

Yeah but only Lucy can do that and obviously she can interrupt the memory without damaging Desmond's brain

Pendragon_082
11-13-2009, 02:49 PM
This is a rather pointless thread.

If you read the manual that came with AC1, there are little handwritten notes in there from vidic. One of them mentions the puppeteer concept. So pretty much, from what I can gather, Desmond has a set of controls that he can touch with his fingers.

JudgeQwerty
11-13-2009, 06:43 PM
The manual's description of the puppeteering concept is hilarious. Its specifically designed for lazy slackers who play videogames. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

ctuagent15
11-13-2009, 07:45 PM
Here this video proves that Desmond does control Ezio and he is just in a virtual world.

Warning it is a bit of a spoiler.

Scan ahead to 30.00
http://uk.gamespot.com/shows/t...39s_creed_ii20091113 (http://uk.gamespot.com/shows/today-on-the-spot/?event=now_playing_assassin039s_creed_ii20091113)

Ok if you watched it you would of heard Shaun telling Desmond, as Ezio, to move closer to something and you would know what that thing is

Crash_Plague
11-14-2009, 01:32 PM
Originally posted by assassin_ki2007:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Iskander_Estel:
can anybody explain? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

well as far as i can tell nobody controls Desmond
and what we see in the animus it's suppose to be just a memory (Desmond can see throuhg Ezio and Altair's eyes)

I'l try and explain it.

This is how I think it works, I hope it helps.

The animus does not just read the genetic memory's like a movie, in order to gain access to his/her ancestors memories the subject has to be in sync with the ancestor, to get in sync the subject has to relive there ancestors life at around the time of the memory there trying to access, meaning they have to be the ancestor, act like them, do things they did and don't do things they wouldn't do.

How the animus allows the subject to relive there ancestors life is by using historic records and there genetic memory to create a virtual world with all of the places and people that the ancestor know of at that point in his/her life.

It then give's the subject fall control of there ancestor, there then free to do what they want, but in order to gain access to any important memories, like conversations they had or things they witnessed, they have to reenact what there ancestor did leading up to them as closely as possible.
For example, this say that the ancestor had a conversation with someone that he/she was sent to kill, but this person was in hiding, the ancestor had to find him then kill his bodyguards to get to him, then before he killed him they had a chat, if the subject wants to gain access to this conversation he/she has to reenact the search and the killing of the bodyguards, but does not have to do them in the same way. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

perfect explanation, couldn't have said it better myself

Airadan
11-14-2009, 01:49 PM
assassin_ki2007 explained it perfectly!Just read his post and if you still dont get how it works desmond will control YOUR mind. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

EzioAssassin51
11-14-2009, 03:21 PM
Originally posted by assassin_ki2007:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Iskander_Estel:
can anybody explain? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

well as far as i can tell nobody controls Desmond
and what we see in the animus it's suppose to be just a memory (Desmond can see throuhg Ezio and Altair's eyes)

I'l try and explain it.

This is how I think it works, I hope it helps.

The animus does not just read the genetic memory's like a movie, in order to gain access to his/her ancestors memories the subject has to be in sync with the ancestor, to get in sync the subject has to relive there ancestors life at around the time of the memory there trying to access, meaning they have to be the ancestor, act like them, do things they did and don't do things they wouldn't do.

How the animus allows the subject to relive there ancestors life is by using historic records and there genetic memory to create a virtual world with all of the places and people that the ancestor know of at that point in his/her life.

It then give's the subject fall control of there ancestor, there then free to do what they want, but in order to gain access to any important memories, like conversations they had or things they witnessed, they have to reenact what there ancestor did leading up to them as closely as possible.
For example, this say that the ancestor had a conversation with someone that he/she was sent to kill, but this person was in hiding, the ancestor had to find him then kill his bodyguards to get to him, then before he killed him they had a chat, if the subject wants to gain access to this conversation he/she has to reenact the search and the killing of the bodyguards, but does not have to do them in the same way. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thank you very much! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif I just hope Desmond doesn't control my mind... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif