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swambast
12-18-2004, 10:53 AM
...if so, what are your thoughts about it's performance/features? I am seriously thinking about getting one of these Saitek X52s for Christmas, and would really appreciate your comments/recommendations on this. Thanks for sharing your feedback!!!

swambast
12-18-2004, 10:53 AM
...if so, what are your thoughts about it's performance/features? I am seriously thinking about getting one of these Saitek X52s for Christmas, and would really appreciate your comments/recommendations on this. Thanks for sharing your feedback!!!

knightflyte
12-18-2004, 11:17 AM
I've seen the boxes on the shelf.... I've seen the pricetag...($129.00 US) I just haven't seen one out of the box on display.

I'd like to put my mitts on one before I consider buying one. I have X45 and am mostly happy. But, I am attracted to shiny new objects....so I'll probably end up with one soon.

Barring that, I might look at setting up a Saitek EVO Rumble with the X45 throttle quadrant.
I MISS force feed back. Feeling the edge of the stall adds to the experience and I kind of miss it.

regards,
Robert


Once you go Track... you never go back.

Cragger
12-18-2004, 11:40 AM
I think they have made a ton of improvements both mechanical and asthetical. I just wish they hadn't moved to a twist stick which I hate and had ditched the annoying pointless finger guard.

SgtBriggs
12-18-2004, 12:27 PM
i was at compusa the other week and they just got them in and didnt have a demo set up with the other joysticks. as i was lookin at the box one of the employees came over to see if i needed any help, we got into a conversation about the stick and i said it would be nice to see one and asked him when they might have a demo out? he looked at me and said how about now. he took it out of the box and we took a good look at it. from what i saw it was real nice and the stick was a lot smoother then the x45.
so as far as i can tell its a real nice stick, and i think you can lock it so it dont twist if you got peddles. me i really hate the rudder switch thing on the x45 so i dont use it... found out i could use my peddles from the racin wheel for that..it works till i get a set of the ch peddles. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Chivas
12-18-2004, 12:41 PM
I've just use X52 joystick to hang my Track IR hat on. I've gone back to my MSFB2 joystick and use it with the X52 throttle.

The X52 joystick is smooth and would be great for a bomber pilot but not a great fighter pilot stick. The stick has a very long throw and a deadzone which requires you to move the stick 3" to make a fine adjustment. I can shoot down 4 a/c with the ms stick in the time it takes me to do some damage to 1 a/c with the X52.

Overall I liked the stick very much but that one item made it a no go for me. Buy one at a local store so you can easily return it if it doesn't suite you. I made the mistake of buying at the Saitek On-line store. They can't be bothered to even answer my emails.

SgtBriggs
12-18-2004, 01:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> The X52 joystick is smooth and would be great for a bomber pilot but not a great fighter pilot stick. The stick has a very long throw and a deadzone which requires you to move the stick 3" to make a fine adjustment. I can shoot down 4 a/c with the ms stick in the time it takes me to do some damage to 1 a/c with the X52.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
first off, can you not adjust the deadzone?

second, most of us folks who do not have a MSFB2 will never be able to get one.
now from what i hear the MSFB2 stick is one of the best sticks out there but is no longer made so why compare anything to it when people who dont have it will never be able to get it?

swambast
12-18-2004, 02:00 PM
Thanks for all the responses everyone. I would purchase this stick to compliment my CH Products USB Rudder Pedals. So, the twisty rudder stick problem hopefully wouldn't impact me at all - assuming you can lock it/disable it somehow. Any other insight/comments welcomed!

Chivas
12-18-2004, 06:03 PM
You can't adjust the mechanical deadzone inherent in the stick. There is a control panel to adjust the deadzone but even set to zero doesn't remove the problem. Saitek support says if it more than 1/4" take it back. Some sticks like mine had over 1 1/4" deadzone.

RedSpar
12-18-2004, 06:51 PM
Wifey-poo just got me this as an early Xmas present... (She's a rare bird that supports my flight sim/computer habit)

Lemme tell ya this X52 really exceeded my expectations. It is sooo much smoother and more precise than the X45. It has 3 rotories and 1 slider plus another 4 more buttons and 3 toggle switches than the X45. The picture doesn't do it justice. Everything is also adjustable on the stick itself - you can raise and low the grip to your preference.

Plus it just looks ***king cool...

Chivas is full of bunk saying it doesn't make a good fighter pilot stick. The longer throw and more precise movement really helps my gunnery be more precise than with my old stick. It's just something you have to get used to. This is the ultimate BnZ pilot stick where you need to be both smooth and precise.

http://www.redspar.com/x52.jpg

Oh and she ordered me a Track IR3 Pro with 6DOF too... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Chivas
12-18-2004, 09:05 PM
Glad you like it. You musta got one without a deadzone.

Maico_249th
12-18-2004, 11:54 PM
Look for my post in this forum. It is a rather long one. Basically, I use it as a throttle and not a primary joy. It is however a very nice piece.

swambast
12-19-2004, 02:57 PM
I am really only familar with CH Products joysticks, but does Saitek products feature software that might be similar to the CH Products' Control Manager? Basically, to allow me to map buttons to my stick - I would hope so...!

RedSpar
12-19-2004, 04:49 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I am really only familar with CH Products joysticks, but does Saitek products feature software that might be similar to the CH Products' Control Manager? Basically, to allow me to map buttons to my stick - I would hope so...! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, Saitek's comes with SST software where you can map all the buttons or buttons combos you want.

cwojackson
12-19-2004, 07:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chivas:
Glad you like it. You musta got one without a deadzone. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I obviously got one without a deadzone as well. Mine works beautifully and I have to rate it the best stick I've ever used.

The only problem I had with it was coming up with a common command structure so that switching between FS9 and IL2/AEP/PF isn't that confusing.

AFSG_Jedi
12-19-2004, 09:22 PM
I just recently purchased this X52 & would like to offer my criticism & comparison to it's predecessor the X45

First off... the good stuff.

1: http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gifPretty blue LEDs are nice to look at over the red & amber of the x45 (Oooooh Pretty)

2: http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gifAesthetically pleasing appearance & color: Silver/black/blue vs the Silver/black/blue/red/amber-orange Nasty of the x45 (Should have stayed simple black like the X36)

3: http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gifThe superflous "Safe" button flippy uppy thingy slightly cooler (but still there & not so easily removable)

4: http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gifAdjustable ergo-nomic palm-rest/pinkytrigger height. (mmmm....Ok they tried something new)

5: http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gifThree, 2-position toggles added to JS (although not in an egrgo-nomic location http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif)

6: http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gifTwo position Trigger (get's my Two Trigger Fingers Up Awardhttp://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif)

7: http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gifThrottle has "Mouse" added to it with Mouse Wheel. (Although worthless as it is not supported at this time thereby negating its existance as beneficial)

8: http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gifEasier access/no-tools-needed throttle tension adjustment. (Yay)

9: http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gifThe Slider switch on the throttle. (or 3rd horizontal moving rotary switch which could have easily just been another rotary switch somwhere else... say in place of the "Mode" rotary switch or say that new mouse wheel which may never get used since it isn't supported dammit...ooh...sorry...I'll get on with ithttp://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif)

10: http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gifThe over all nice smooth feel of every thing. IE:the Joystick movement is much easier with less spring tension than the X45. (However I must point out... that it is TOO Smooth. Not enough tension for my taste. It would be better if Saitek could have came up with some adjustable spring tension for the joystick. Since I find this distasteful I will be looking to fix this issue. Should be easy enough with some sort of rubber washer or maybe a clamp to help compress the spring...errr... Oops...there I go againhttp://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/353.gif

Ahem... Now for the things I don't like about it...

1: http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gifThe pretty but pointless MFD or Multi-Function Display. I for one will never use it. I prefer not to utilize Saiteks Multi- mode programing. I like to "Plug-in & Go" just one function for each button via the Game set-up. Screw reading the manual trying to figure out how to utilize more functins... But that is just me...I'm sure some one out there will use/uses the modes & programing. I prefer to use my Momo wheel in concert with my X-stick. It's right there and the Game supports multiple input devices... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gif Sorry, dragging on a bit...

2: http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gifThe absolutely worst idea...the "Clutch Button" whose sole purpose is to disable all button on the X52, So you can look on your MFD to see what all your buttons do if you (Unlike me) used the Saitek programing software and confused the #@%! out of yourself so now you have to use this stupid clutch button to remember what the #@%! you programed each button to do. Not only is the button worthless & #@!!ing stupid. Saitek presumed to put it in a place that is easy to reach and could have been...SHOULD HAVE BEEN used for another button!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/351.gif Again...this could just be me... I'm not going to use the SPS (Saitek Programing Software) & it is only ONE button...

3: http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gifThe twisty joystick for Rudder vs the Throttle rudder. Ok... When I first heard that this was not going to have the rudders on the Throttle, I was dissapointed. But I figure W-T-H, I can get used to the "Twisty-Stick". Well... I WAS WRONG!! Spending several years...from X36 to X45 to Now... I have become Quite accustom to the Rudders on the Throttle. By FAR in my opinion the prefered location sans actually finding some "REAL" rudder pedals... Which I will now point out...If one does have Rudder Pedals then they will be pleased that this Stick locks so the lame Twisty motion can go away and you may utilize your rudder pedals.
(Do any of these people fly or play any games?)

4: http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gifThe three toggle switches on the Joystick. They are benificial to a degree as they allow (At least) six more functions. Good...But they should have never been placed on the base of the joystick. If they were placed on the throttle say where the MFD buttons reside) one could easily access them with their thumb thereby hands not leaveing their position on the controls. (Do these designers know what ERGONOMIC means or HOTAS) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/351.gif

5: http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gifThe intergrated mouse. This one...is actually a GOOD IDEA however I must put it in the BAD column as, of right now, it does not have any function other than decoration. And it takes an 8 position hat away and yet another button is non-funtional. Now should this work in the future by receiving support from some future game patch...Well ok then...I will accept it. And it will be cool. I could finally access the Map in Pacific Fighters with out having to move my hand from stick to my mouse and that mouse wheel would also come in handy. BUT AGAIN: I must address the fact that as of right now it has no support. SO on the bad side it goes. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

6: http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gifThe programing software. Ok...I put this in the bad column simply because I'm the kind of guy who just does not want to read a manual for any reason what so ever untill all else fails. I like the simplicity of going into a game finding the command and pressing the corresponding button for said command. Easy simple and able to memorise button functions realatively rapidly. See how easy that was. No need for manual. No need for programing software. No need for programers. So why do they do it? Simply. They think it is a benefit to have Hundreds of buttons/functions on a joystick without HAVING Hundreds of buttons on a joystick. Their "Simple" solution. I'll tell you what though...I don't need HUNDREDS of buttons. But just a few more in easy reach. That is all I ask. But Hey...that's just me. I like things simple. Mind you I am no simpleton. But in this life with it's everyday complexity...It's the simple escape that I crave. I don't need more things to think about...
I...I...Opps...http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/353.gif...there I go again....Hold on a sec............Ahh.....much better.... behold the power of a non-alcoholic beverage. Sugar & Caffeine...thats all I need...now where was I...Oh yeah...

7: http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gifLastly...Could Saitek not Squeeze one or two more butons on the Joystick. I know it might be crampt for space...But I see room. IE: the little "hidden" button on the front of the X45 is gone (or moved) on the X52. I don't know what it is about that button but I liked it. I miss it. I want it back. It was such a cute little button. I loved to press that button...it was full of suprizes... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.giferr... I mean, It would be nice to have at least one other button easy to reach for that one other function. Old adage: Always room for one more.

OK....All that being said. You can clearly see that I have more in the Positive Column than the Negative. Thereby one must conclude that this is a good Flight Control System. Well, Yes, yes it is. Despite it's flaws it is quite good. I will continue to use it. Until I break it or find something better. It may not yet be the "Ultimate Thing." But it is one step closer. I think with enough poking & prodding to the manufacturererer...Makers...Saitek...we may yet see the Ulitmate Final Rendition. The X69? (Insert your fantasy joystick photo here)

Ok...ME go play now.

Oh one last bit of advise. Never pay full price. I got this thing on sale. $99.95 with $30 mail in rebate. Yah...I hate those too... But don't get me started... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Toodles

RedSpar
12-20-2004, 06:54 AM
Good review AFSG_Jedi...

I agree with you for the most part but there is a few things I'd like to add/comment on:

-The clutch button can easily be turned into a normal button by using the profile editor. I don't know why you have an aversion the the SST software as it is quite easy to use. I didn't even have to look at the manual to figure it out as it is quite simple.

-Throttle mounted "mouse" with mousewheel works fine for me... I'm not sure why you say it's not supported at this time. This is a real nice feature if have a 'cockpit' setup on your desk and you don't want to have to use a real mouse. If you don't need it you can turn it into a regular hat switch in the SST software. (which is what I did)

-3 big toggle(rocker) switches on the joystick...I do like where they are at (not where the MFD switch is at as you would like) because for some things like eject, jettison fuel tank, gear, etc. I like having a big switch that isn't too easy to hit accidentally. This is more of a personal preference I suppose.

-Twisty rudder... I don't hate (don't love it either) I find it harder to use for things like taxiing than the X45 but on the other hand it is much smoother to use when trying to get a good deflection shot on an enemy. The X45 rudder paddle was just to quick and imprecise for this compared to the X52. Best option get some rudder pedals and make this a non-issue.

-Two stage firing trigger... This is REALLLY nice. Half pull for machine guns, full pull for cannons. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Even better for planes like the P47, fire 4 or all 8 guns without using 2 different buttons.

Things I don't like:

-MFD is pretty much superfluous. If you could program the display with whatever text or graphics you'd like for each profile, then you would have something.

-Stick is a little on the light side. Adjustable tensioner would be nice. I guess I might have to put in some stronger springs.

-The need to make a non Star Wars version - ie. one in all black that doesn't light up like a xmas tree (although you can turn off the LED's in the setup) It just doesn't seem right using a F-22 looking joystick flying a circa 1940 prop plane. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


Pics from the manual that show all the buttons:

http://www.redspar.com/x521.jpg

http://www.redspar.com/x522.jpg

swambast
12-20-2004, 08:44 AM
Guys, I really appreciate all the excellent feedback here. Special thanks goes to AFSG_Jedi and RedSpar - very insightful! Well, I decided to grab one of these from CompUSA for $99 (price AFTER the $30 mail in rebate). I probably won't have a chance to even open it until after Christmas, but hopefully it's everything I expected, I certainly don't want to be disappointed. Sounds great though - thanks again, sincerely, for everyone's help on this!!!

GreyFox5
12-20-2004, 10:19 AM
Hey RedSpar you suppose your wife could talk to mine. Bring my wife around a bit - ya know enjoy the fact that she can embrace my hobbie instead of fighting it! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v476/GreyFox5/SBDatSunset1acopy.jpg

AFSG_Jedi
12-20-2004, 06:42 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by RedSpar:
Good review AFSG_Jedi...

I agree with you for the most part but there is a few things I'd like to add/comment on:

<span class="ev_code_BLUE">RedSpar</span>-The clutch button can easily be turned into a normal button by using the profile editor. I don't know why you have an aversion the the SST software as it is quite easy to use. I didn't even have to look at the manual to figure it out as it is quite simple.

<span class="ev_code_RED">AFSG_Jedi</span>http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gifWhoa Hold the Phone!!! You can??!! Wait... I'm not going to have to read the manual am I or use the Programing software? I just can't bare to do it even for that one button. It's against my standards to have to read & learn. No ...I don't want too...But...it's another button...that could be used for whatever... Sigh...what to do...what to do... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif


<span class="ev_code_BLUE">RedSpar</span>-Throttle mounted "mouse" with mousewheel works fine for me... I'm not sure why you say it's not supported at this time. This is a real nice feature if have a 'cockpit' setup on your desk and you don't want to have to use a real mouse. If you don't need it you can turn it into a regular hat switch in the SST software. (which is what I did)

<span class="ev_code_RED">AFSG_Jedi</span>http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif your using that SST software again.http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif I suppose I must define what I mean by not supported... Ahem...
I get in to "Controls" in game,
I find the function I want,
I click the button I want to perform that function,
Nothing happens. Button not recognized by game.

But as you say if you want to take 5 minutes to read the 28 pages of "English" manual instructions. Then I suppose the point is mute. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Also note: Does your mouse really work? Mine don't. It does show that it works in the XP Gamecontrollers settings but performs no function in game ( http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gifPsst...I also looked...errr...skimmed in the manual for this and found nothing on the subject)


<span class="ev_code_BLUE">RedSpar</span>-3 big toggle(rocker) switches on the joystick...I do like where they are at (not where the MFD switch is at as you would like) because for some things like eject, jettison fuel tank, gear, etc. I like having a big switch that _isn't_ too easy to hit accidentally. This is more of a personal preference I suppose.

<span class="ev_code_RED">AFSG_Jedi</span>http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif Yah...personal preference... I should point out that the three buttons they (Saitek) do have on the Throttle do work as "Functions" and are game supported. So that's a plus. But I would PREFER the toggles to be there. I don't see where they would be in the way as you stated unless you are resting your wrist on them...which sounds uncomfortable and, a just cause to get beat by your teacher for resting your wrists...Oooohhh....there's another repressed memory. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif


<span class="ev_code_BLUE">RedSpar</span>-Twisty rudder... I don't hate (don't love it either) I find it harder to use for things like taxiing than the X45 but on the other hand it is much smoother to use when trying to get a good deflection shot on an enemy. The X45 rudder paddle was just to quick and imprecise for this compared to the X52. Best option get some rudder pedals and make this a non-issue.

<span class="ev_code_RED">AFSG_Jedi</span>http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif Agreed but have you tried getting out of a stall yet? I need much more practice...Of course this could easily be avoided if I could just stop stalling. I also find it harder on landings, I keep squeezing the throttle first... Spend 10 years doing something it tends to become habbit. I need to go back to flight school. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif Also note: I found the X45 rudder to be quite precise...Hmmm interesting...Could be differences in manufacuting.

<span class="ev_code_BLUE">RedSpar</span>-Two stage firing trigger... This is REALLLY nice. Half pull for machine guns, full pull for cannons. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Even better for planes like the P47, fire 4 or all 8 guns without using 2 different buttons.

<span class="ev_code_RED">AFSG_Jedi</span>http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif No argument there.... for that matter no argument for the rest of your comments http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Hey if you can tell me in three words or less how to get that mouse hat & button & wheel to work I would be most obliged. (Can not use the words "READ THE MANUAL" or "DO IT YOURSELF" or CONTACT SAITEK HELPDESK)http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif Three words is about all I can read before my mind wanders.

Ciao

AFSG_Jedi
12-20-2004, 07:45 PM
OK...<span class="ev_code_RED">RedSpar</span> got me curious...so I broke down & Installed the SST Software.

So NOW I find out the mouse DOES WORK!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Gee... that's what I get... yadda yadda yadda... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif Thanks for the arm twist <span class="ev_code_RED">RedSpar</span> http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Any hoo... Installing the SST poo also installs some other stuff like mousey thingys. (IE Drivers) So the Mouse-Hat, Button, & Wheel-button work in game without actually having to use the SST profiler. However the Mouse wheel does not YET appear to be supported. I may look into this further when I get that wild hair.

Now for that confounded Clutch button. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif I don't know where you see that it can be made into a regular button <span class="ev_code_RED">RedSpar</span>. I looked at the profile editor and that button is not listed nor can one select it from the 3D Throttle model. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

Sure...get my hopes up. Only to smash them down. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif Do you like seeing a grown man whine?!http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif Worse yet you made me READ!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

Maico_249th
12-21-2004, 12:02 AM
Since I given up online play I feel free to divulge secrets. Man you guys are going to kill me when I come back online.
Ok here it goes. Its been proven that if you repeat an action enough times you will come to the point where it becomes automatic. You dont even notice yourself doing it. The pain in the @$$ that leads up to that comfort zone is called learning.
I program all three modes in the main buttons of my X52. I only do this for the buttons that are within easy reach. This keeps me from having to move my hands too much and concentrate on combat. My bird brain can only remember so much and I am lazy. It took me nearly a week to replace my X45 because I knew that there would be a learning curve to the X52. With that said, here is how I do it. I make my profiles on Excell. This makes it easier to figure out where I want what. I print out the profiles after I abreviate, bold and capitalize all the commands so I can see them. I then post these on the edges of my monitor. Of course testing leads to changes and it takes me a couple of days to figure out that new profile. The main buttons I know and most come easy within the first two sessions. Within a week I no longer need my "cheat sheets".
The programing software is awesome. I have used it religously for the last three years. Sure it takes a little time and patience to figure out, but its not rocket science. The rewards are unbeleivable. I have nearly 50 comands at my disposal withing easy reach. And that is just my left hand. On the right sits the irreplaceble MS FF2 with 8 more buttons and invaluable force feedback.
I am glad you found the software. Do not ignore it. It adds so much to an allready enjoyable piece of hardware.
Oh yeah, and about that cluch... I have it as a dual command. Press in I get Gunsight mode, Release and it returns to normal view. Engine fires and Pilot kills have never been so easy.

249th_Maico
MS FF2 / X52
CH USB Pro Pedals
TIR 3 Pro

swambast
12-23-2004, 07:04 AM
These are great tips - thanks for sharing! I'l be sure to use them once I get this X52 setup after the holidays.

marcocomparato
01-01-2005, 03:29 PM
Jedi, the installer for the SST software includes about 4 hardware-accelerated drivers that bring the mouse, mousebutton, and scroller into functionality.

so you know...

but frankly, i like u, prefer to run with a light driver and keep the bloat-ware to a minimum. we need to somehow get the driver installer seperate from the SST software installation. Its possible that installing the SST software, then just removing the auto-run and never running the profile monitor and editor might be the same thing as running without the software but include the new drivers!

i think im going to try that now.