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markiz26
03-10-2005, 02:48 AM
First of all, I am fairly new to this sim. I've been up against a few fighters online and noticed that no matter what plane I use I can not get on Ki's (Jap) tail. It manages to outturn me so fast that it almost looks like a miracle to me! I am definitely doing something wrong. Can anyone help?

markiz26
03-10-2005, 02:48 AM
First of all, I am fairly new to this sim. I've been up against a few fighters online and noticed that no matter what plane I use I can not get on Ki's (Jap) tail. It manages to outturn me so fast that it almost looks like a miracle to me! I am definitely doing something wrong. Can anyone help?

Tully__
03-10-2005, 03:29 AM
You're trying to out-turn them. Try Boom & Zoom. See SimHQ's Air Combat Library (http://www.simhq.com/_air/acc_library.html) for a heap of great articles on air combat tactics.

Joe-90
03-10-2005, 04:40 AM
One of the best tools available to see what planes can outurn each other, or go faster, is Harball's Viewer for Pacific Fighters.

This was a great help to me in the early days, and still a great reference tool as it has so much other data about all the aircraft. See here:

http://www.airwarfare.com/Sims/FB/fb_essential_files.htm#014

EnGaurde
03-10-2005, 05:05 AM
this is a remarkably complicated question, and im not going to spiel on and on about it. Too much, anyway. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

i suggest you do some research on basic air combat. Find out what a split s is, what a rolling reversal is, what an Immelman is.

learn the meaning of lead pursuit and lag pursuit. This way, you can start to maneouver your aircraft to your advantage, and not just react to what someone else is doing and fly around like a mosquito with the same basic effectiveness.

Also, what a scissors maneouver is, how it starts and how to win it. This one is very important to early aircraft and is one you will find yourself doing almost without realising it during close combat.

this learning, whilst seemingly dazzling at first means that you will begin to easily recognise a maneouver your opponent does, and be able to reasonably predict where he will go.

know your enemy. Read up on guns, speed, wing aea = maneouverability, hp = speed etc etc. Dont expect to outrun a Mustang, or outturn a Ki43.

After a while you will not even think of what to do, you will guide your aircraft thru maneouvers you wont remember doing, its just second nature.

be sneaky. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif Hide in the ground clutter. Lurk. Dont charge into melees, float around on the rim, hiding in clouds, popping out to check on the fight, and when you spot that straggler.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

above all realise you are horribly, horribly vulnerable. No more charging into the fray, taking hit after hit. If you take bullets, then you are alive thru luck, not your good management.

look for an author named Bill Gunston. Best overall aircraft tactics and data author ive ever read. Dont forget to read Richtofens memoirs either, google them up. He is largely responsible for many taken for granted essentials of air combat. Immelman even has his name to a maneouver.

if you want console style gameplay, instant gratification and dont like a game where one bullet may cripple your plane and leave you a sitting duck, then i suggest you dont play this sim, its a real enthusiasts domain although the learning curve is not too steep for success.

after you apply even snippets of established maneouvers deliberately and successively, and you get into a guns position, that first kill you score where you dominated the opponent despite the odds will leave you jumping around the room with a certain look in your eye, and you'll be hooked. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

dgaggi
03-10-2005, 06:12 AM
Markiz,
Check this out it helped me, but I'm still fodder online. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif lol These are good articles and well laid out. If you're flying American planes in the Pacific, you need to learn "energy" fighting tactics.
http://www.il2flying.com/content/category/7/77/36

tigertalon
03-10-2005, 07:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by markiz26:
First of all, I am fairly new to this sim. I've been up against a few fighters online and noticed that no matter what plane I use I can not get on Ki's (Jap) tail. It manages to outturn me so fast that it almost looks like a miracle to me! I am definitely doing something wrong. Can anyone help? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hi Markiz,

send me contact mail to aegeeaddict[AT]yahoo.co.uk (istead of [AT] use @) , I will send you tracks how to deal with Ki43.

argnan
03-10-2005, 08:15 AM
All of the above are great answers!!! I used my common sence for that because i had the same problem... First of all track the enemy from the map. the second thing you have to do is to gain altitude (while you are far from him so he can't see you)and speed so you'll be in advantage. then approach his tail and make sure that you'll get so close before you start your fire. when you start firing (at about 0.35) make sure you are aiming one of his wings. if you hit one for example the left one keep firing the left. don't give him a chance to escape...

drose01
03-10-2005, 09:36 PM
Question- is that "Hardball's Viewer" program up to date for version 3.04?

Rockhead001
03-11-2005, 02:42 AM
I'll put my 2 cents worth in by suggesting one thing I have learned - If you are turning toward an enemy aircraft, back off the throttle some. Think about it, the prop always wants to pull the aircraft in a straight line, but backing off some until the plane begins turning will allow your fighter to react quicker than it would just keeping the throttle pinned. This is especially true when recovering from a dive. In a dogfight, don't stay out of the gas too long, or the target will beat you anyway. If pulling out of a dive, start backing off when you begin pulling up. Wait until your fighter is almost dead parallel to the ground, then nail it! It's all about timing.

EnGaurde
03-11-2005, 04:48 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Rockhead: .....back off the throttle some. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

i have been labelled insane on this forum for promoting this action.

no, really, i have.

to me, any combat maneouver that forces your enemy in front of you, is a Good Thing.

Be Strong.

Resist the Clueless Hordes... fly whatever way makes you win. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Dont expect the Horde to accept your individual discovery, expect them to claim you know nothing more than they do. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Bravo.

tigertalon
03-11-2005, 06:10 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by EnGaurde:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Rockhead: .....back off the throttle some. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

i have been labelled insane on this forum for promoting this action.

no, really, i have.

to me, any combat maneouver that forces your enemy in front of you, is a Good Thing.

Bravo. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Cutting the throttle to turn more sharply is IMO and option ONLY when I have better turning capability and E advantage compared to the plane I am attacking. It can proove devastating in let's say A6M, which has concrete controls at high speeds, but if you dive on F4U, u have to throttle back to be able to follow...

If you have equal or less E, throttling down would really be crazy thing to do.

TgD Thunderbolt56
03-11-2005, 09:00 AM
Adept throttle manipulation along with prop-pitch adjustments (equally adept of course) can dramatically improve your turning ability. ANY hard maneuveraing, though, should be done with good SA (Situational Awareness) as to not fall prey to your potential victim's wingman. Scrubbing your "E" (Energy) is considered a "last-ditch" option, but if done under the right circumstances can lead to good success.

Learn your aircraft, learn your opponents' aircraft and practice, practice, practice


TB

Rockhead001
03-11-2005, 09:04 AM
Seems I stand corrected. Yes, do WHATEVER it takes to win. That's the best answer Anyone could have given. Regards to all! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gif