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Waldo.Pepper
01-15-2005, 12:34 AM
This practice was common in Commonwealth Airforces of WW2. (Certainly in the RCAF).

It was a good luck ritual that was COMMON (not universal) done immediately to the aeroplane before takeoff by the pilot.

It was not merely a good luck thing. This ritual had a practical benifit as well.

What did the pilot do to his plane?

Waldo.Pepper
01-15-2005, 12:34 AM
This practice was common in Commonwealth Airforces of WW2. (Certainly in the RCAF).

It was a good luck ritual that was COMMON (not universal) done immediately to the aeroplane before takeoff by the pilot.

It was not merely a good luck thing. This ritual had a practical benifit as well.

What did the pilot do to his plane?

Flydutch
01-15-2005, 12:54 AM
He would puke his guts out over the landing gear(Because of fear!)
And then go to the Airbase doctor and tell him he wasn't fit for this dangerous mission!
Claiming to be psychological unfit for the job. The Doctor (Like any Company Doctor with the goal to keep the company workers working!) would respond That there was A catch, A Catch 22!
If The Pilot did not want to fly he was A very Sane person So the Doctor couldn't keep him from fliyng He was fit for service, If he was Insane he would fly!

Haven't You seen "Catch 22"
Featuring the most beautiful colective take off scene of A B-25 Squadron in Italy?

Flydutch
01-15-2005, 12:58 AM
Sorry I was just taking a piss At ya!

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But do See Catch 22!
And thanx for that Blackwidow pic.

3.JG51_BigBear
01-15-2005, 06:36 AM
Take a piss on the plane?

Blottogg
01-15-2005, 07:09 AM
Pee on one of the gear tires. Those relief tubes can get stuck, you know. Best to offload before the sortie. This option is sometimes preferable to using piddle-packs in modern times as well.

Waldo.Pepper
01-15-2005, 12:27 PM
Big smile. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I'm really surprised that this was answered.

The absolute correct answer is. That it was common tradition to take a wiz on the tail wheel for luck. Done by PRU spitfire pilots, Mosquito crews, everybody.

Also after the briefing, just before the mission, for Commonwealth B25 crews, they had their of little tradition to do with wiz. They even had a term for it. They went for a QNP. Which stands for Quick Nervous Pee. (Or alternatively a QNS. )

From a set of great books that can recommend fully. Flying Under Fire (volume 1 and 2). Published this year IIRC.

horseback
01-15-2005, 01:39 PM
So that explains why the tailwheel legs in all those wartime color photos were a reddish brown...

cheers

horseback

Cajun76
01-15-2005, 02:06 PM
I can see that the P-38 and P-39 wouldn't have been that popular, bad luck..... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Waldo.Pepper
01-15-2005, 02:39 PM
There are quite a few wee wee stories in these two books. If the books were written by a single author one could be mistaken for assuming that the author were some sort of urine freak. However, the books are a compilation.

A final piss story to relate. From the story of a PRU Spitfire pilot doing a recce flight over the Anzio beaches.

"I had been in the airborne for nearly six hours and had to pee so badly I was bursting. Normally, when this happened at altitude, it was not unknown to wet ones's pants. Because of the lack of air pressure, evaporation was almost instantaneous and no embarassing traces remained on landing. In this case I held on as long as I could, but as I came down at San Severo, for some reason I could hold off no longer."
"On landing I was greeted by numerous representatives from the press who had been told I would be bringing pictures of the invasion and would have seen the beachhead. I continued to answer questions about what I had seen but I stayed in the cockpit. Finally one photgrapher insisted I get out so he could get a picture. I did as he asked, thinking that my khaki battledress would probably camoflage my error, and I left my parachute in the cockpit. Unfortunately one of the erks climbed on the wing and slung my chute over his shoulder. He was showered. NO ground crew mechanic had ever before offered to take my chute out of the aeroplane. So it served him right. Nobody said anything, but I was a very deflated hero."


Now this is not piss related but it is from the same chapter. And I find it impressive, and interesting;

"trimming the aircraft hands off, cracking the hood open a half inch, and then sticking a finger out into the slipstream would cause the machine to enter a gentle turn. A finger out the other side before the turn steepened, would restore it to straight and level flight. As well, leaning forward in the cockpit, when perfectly trimmed, would cause a gentle dive. On a long trip, this kind of entertainment was fun, so long as the pilot didn't fail to keep his eyes open for what could be unfriendly in the sky around him."

Imagine all the tiny fascinating little details of the lives of these people that are lost to us already.

DHC2Pilot
01-15-2005, 09:42 PM
My father took a leak on the tailwheel of his RF-51 in Korea before every mission. Must have been good luck - 77 successful missions.

EnGaurde
01-15-2005, 10:10 PM
one might surmise that the passage of urine would indicate a certain amount of disdain for the aircraft in question, ie wouldnt p*** on it to put it out, should it be on fire.

how interesting.

i like the finger out into the airstream, one would also consider that an aircraft weighing many tonnes and equipped with many hp would not be so finely balanced....

more of a case of getting a bucking bull to straighten up and fly right?

HotelBushranger
01-16-2005, 02:59 AM
I read a story bout a B-17 ball gunner who was on his first mission. When the bombers reached and bombed their target, he realised no other of the B-17's guns were firing, so he got out of the ball to check. The waist guns were empty, their gunners disappeared. The radioman (I think, or someone at least) was injured, and a fire had started. So, he pissed on it, putting it out. Crews of other B-17s could see what he was doing, because there were so many holes in the fuselage. When he got back, he was awarded a medal. Good on 'im!

See, urinating over someone elses property CAN be beneficial!!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

x6BL_Brando
01-16-2005, 05:16 AM
Pissing on vehicle wheels is actually supported by law in England! (I dunno about the rest of the UK, or other countries)
The relevant law dates back to the times of horse-drawn travel and states that a carter (driver) may urinate against the off-side front wheel of his vehicle if necessary. I'm not sure if the law ever applied to private vehicle-owners, but the convenience (pardon the pun) still applies to haulage drivers.

It was carefully thought out, in a time when journeys were very slow, and allows that a driver could not leave his valuable cargo unattended in order to find a hedge! The choice of offside front was to allow the driver to hold onto the reins while taking a leak....as well as not offending (or splattering?) anyone who might be passing on the near, or pavement, side.

A humane little byelaw really http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif - it persists even now.

x6BL_Brando
01-16-2005, 05:35 AM
Even more off topic, but also trivial and related to the above.......another pissing byelaw........

Any woman (in England) in an advanced stage of pregnancy, when outdoors and more than a fixed distance (a hundred yards I think) from a public urinal, may accost a policeman for help is she is "caught short". The PC is obliged to shield her from the public gaze by using his rain-cape while she squats, or by escorting her to a nearby dwelling, public-house, or municipal building and assisting her to gain access.

This law is also still on the books...but I only know of one person who ever used it. She just liked embarassing policemen!

DeerHunterUK
01-16-2005, 07:20 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by x6BL_Brando:
Pissing on vehicle wheels is actually supported by law in England! (I dunno about the rest of the UK, or other countries)
The relevant law dates back to the times of horse-drawn travel and states that a carter (driver) may urinate against the off-side front wheel of his vehicle if necessary. I'm not sure if the law ever applied to private vehicle-owners, but the convenience (pardon the pun) still applies to haulage drivers.

It was carefully thought out, in a time when journeys were very slow, and allows that a driver could not leave his valuable cargo unattended in order to find a hedge! The choice of offside front was to allow the driver to hold onto the reins while taking a leak....as well as not offending (or splattering?) anyone who might be passing on the near, or pavement, side.

A humane little byelaw really http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif - it persists even now. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I believe it's still true (although I thought it was the rear off side wheel as opposed to the front), plus the driver whilst relieving himself must have a hand on the vehicle at all times.
Just found this;
"Having said that, you may be surprised to hear that under current UK law it is still legal:
For males to urinate in public, as long as it is on the rear wheel of their car, and their right hand is resting on the vehicle"

Waldo.Pepper
01-16-2005, 07:32 AM
HA HA HA HA!

Seriously funny stuff fellas.

I am SO surprised at the traction that this topic has.

I too have remebered the story of a Mustang pilot on a long flight over Germany. He loosened his shoulders straps to get to the tube.

So what happens?

Yup he gets bounced and has to fly without being buckled in.

He made it (nothing terribly dramatic happened) or we would not have the story.

vitreous
01-16-2005, 07:40 AM
This is a bit OT but speaking of books, i am now reading 'Fighter Boys' by patrick bishop, all about the experiences of fighter pilots during the battle of britain, and i heatily reccommend it...

x6BL_Brando
01-16-2005, 07:51 AM
I stand corrected Moggy! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

The bit about the right hand is a problem http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
but then I don't think i want to take a leak on any of these wheels! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Aztek_Eagle
01-16-2005, 10:10 AM
so that explains why the raf did not use the p38 nor the p39 in service!

Yimmy
01-16-2005, 10:23 AM
The RAF did use the P39 though didnt we, at least in its P400 version if not others.

WOLFMondo
01-16-2005, 12:53 PM
I bet those ground crews drew straws to decide who would work on the tail wheels.

stathem
01-17-2005, 10:48 AM
Almost related story from the annals of 617 Squadron:

In 1943 "a hard boiled bunch of Canadians" under (Mick)Duffy joined the squadron. On their first night with the Sq., "when they went upstairs to bed they could not find the toilet but, being resourceful men from the backwoods, had relieved themselves out of the window. In the morning they were brought before the group captain, who eyed them coldly and said : "If you fellows do your job properly you can get away with almost anything on this squadron, but one thing you can't do is piddle on the group captain"
He had been walking below at the wrong moment. The rest of the squadron thought it wonderful that a crowd of new boys should do that to a senior officer from a great height"

The Dambusters, Paul Brickhill

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joeap
01-17-2005, 11:18 AM
Hehe wasn't restricted to pilots, sailors did similar stuff. Anyone who has seen Das Boot knows what I'm talking about. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif