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han freak solo
05-21-2005, 03:06 PM
I've seen many discussions here about the best aircraft in WWII and even tongue-in-cheek discussions about which aircraft won the war.

I've seen the Breda BA.65 and the TBD Devastator listed as being horrible for WWII, but these were really obsolete by wartime.

But, if you could blame a certain type either in its design or the way it was put to use, which would it be?

Perhaps a single aircraft losing the war is too broad. If so, which aircraft lost a battle or a campaign?

han freak solo
05-21-2005, 03:06 PM
I've seen many discussions here about the best aircraft in WWII and even tongue-in-cheek discussions about which aircraft won the war.

I've seen the Breda BA.65 and the TBD Devastator listed as being horrible for WWII, but these were really obsolete by wartime.

But, if you could blame a certain type either in its design or the way it was put to use, which would it be?

Perhaps a single aircraft losing the war is too broad. If so, which aircraft lost a battle or a campaign?

drose01
05-21-2005, 04:25 PM
How about the Bf110, which was used against Hurricanes and Spits in the BOB, and ended up taking huge losses and not protecting the bombers it was supposed to escort?

Ankanor
05-21-2005, 04:38 PM
The Aircraft that lost the war is Ju-87, the symbol of the Blitzkrieg. Tha aircraft that won the war in Europe : IL-2. The aircraft that turned the tide of the war in The Pacific - SBD Dauntless. The Aircraft that won the war... C-47 skytrain and its bigger brothers

about a specific battle : The japanese scout planes lost the Midway Battle

skabbe
05-21-2005, 04:44 PM
i dont know any name of the french aircrafts, but they should top the list

Ruy Horta
05-21-2005, 04:47 PM
There are two german candidates that certainly cost a lot of effort and gave too little (or too late) in return.

Me 210

He 177

Monty_Thrud
05-21-2005, 05:15 PM
Bf110 + Stuka ...Fw190 + Bf 109

robban75
05-21-2005, 05:19 PM
It wasn't an aircraft that lost the war.

JV44_Wubke
05-21-2005, 07:58 PM
Not using the 262 as fighter from the start

Atomic_Marten
05-21-2005, 08:41 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v442/Atomic_Marten/Smileys/brick.gif Me155. Be sure.

Papa_K
05-21-2005, 11:01 PM
Don't know if I'd go as far as saying it "lost the war", but the Me-109 didn't contribute to Germany's efforts as it would have if it had better range - specifically thinking about the Battle of Britain here, where time over England was limited by fuel.

Papa_K

MS_Siwarrior
05-22-2005, 12:18 AM
Thers only one aircraft that can lose a war
Ki-43 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

JamesBlonde888
05-22-2005, 01:51 AM
The Me-110 was a total waste of resources early in the war, even later in the was it was, in my opinion, superceded by variants of the Ju-88. With an few hundered extra 109's in the summer of 1940 the Luftwaffe may well have carried out Sealion and denied the US use of the UK as a giant aircraft carrier. Without the efforts of the 8th AF the outcome of the war would have been in doubt.

NorrisMcWhirter
05-22-2005, 03:20 AM
On the same theme as James' post, you could argue that it was the 109E that lost the war due to the limited range.

Perhaps you should ask what radio lost the war because the lack of them (and their being different frequencies used between fighters and bombers) also affected the outcome of the BoB.

Ta,
Norris

Capt.LoneRanger
05-22-2005, 03:31 AM
109, StuKa and He111

Hitler didn't know anything about the new technologies and always looked at the Luftwaffe as mere support for the troops. Everything (technological as political) was based on an advancing frontline (Half of german tanks didn't even have a rotating turret).
The limited range and bombload marked the result of the BattleOfBritain long before it began.

PS: Bf110 and Ju88 had a completely different role. Bf110 was designed as heavy fighter with ground pounding ability and in early war it was feared for its large and accurate cannons. Later it was successfully used as night-fighter.
Ju88 is yet another 2-engined bomber.

Capt.England
05-22-2005, 03:32 AM
The Fairey Battle gets my vote as it was a death trap for all pilots who flew her into battle in May/June 1940. This plane should of been replaced with the Hawker Henley design that was used for target towing when it was designed to be a ground support fighter.

JG52Karaya-X
05-22-2005, 03:38 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:
(Half of german tanks didn't even have a rotating turret) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

What kind of tank are you talking about? Panzer III / IV / V (Panther) / VI (Tiger) all had rotating turrets. StuG III and IV, Hetzer, JagdpanzerIV, Ferdinant/Elefant don't count as tanks - they are assault-guns/tank-destroyers.

Capt.LoneRanger
05-22-2005, 04:11 AM
Oh, they don't count as tanks? Why, because they have no rotating turret? According to German war doctrine, they were "assault tanks".

And since a "tank" is a fully armored vehicle with gun(s), they are tanks. The Marder is not, as it is open. These are called self-propelling AntiTank-guns.

The M10 is a tank-destroyer, too, as is refered to the Tiger II, too. But that only means they were used primarily against other tanks, not that they are no tanks themselves. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif