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Atomic_Marten
06-25-2005, 04:14 PM

Atomic_Marten
06-26-2005, 07:20 AM
Interesting results..http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v442/Atomic_Marten/Smileys/bump-smile.gif

Only 12 votes so far.. is that mean that full switch/pit on is not popular anymore? C'mon guys, vote.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

knightflyte
06-26-2005, 10:22 AM
Track IR and HOTAS for me....... tho, I've got a burning for peddles now. I wonder why?

Deedsundone
06-26-2005, 10:25 AM
Joystick+Twisthandle+trackir.

Stigler_9_JG52
06-26-2005, 10:32 AM
Why would HOTAS + Pedals OR track IR be an option? What do these two setups have to do with each other???

I use HOTAS + Pedals and NOT Track IR, but if I elected, could still make use of Track IR, but for different reasons than why I have pedals and a HOTAS.

I'm not sure what you're getting at here...

Atomic_Marten
06-26-2005, 11:08 AM
HOTAS, + either, pedals or trackIR, means that you are using either

1.HOTAS + pedals
2.HOTAS + trackIR

I did not have more than 5 options in poll answers, if I did, I would put any possible combination that I can think of. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I have made such option since IMO most of the people would suggest (arguably) that trackIR+HOTAS+pedals will provide player the most complete 'feeling'.


Stigler_9_JG52:
Why would HOTAS + Pedals OR track IR be an option? What do these two setups have to do with each other???

I use HOTAS + Pedals and NOT Track IR, but if I elected, could still make use of Track IR, but for different reasons than why I have pedals and a HOTAS.

I'm not sure what you're getting at here.--

I have made choices now I suppose, more clear.
My options are only suggestions.
I am interested to know what combination do you prefer and use online, regardless of what do you have.

For instance you can have HOTAS+pedals+trackIR, but for some reason you are accustomed to use only trackIR and HOTAS.

So your option will be second poll option, in such case.

I suppose that guys with joystick+pedals+trackIR combo can vote for first option.. again, sorry but I did not have more options for poll.

murewa
06-26-2005, 01:21 PM
only joystick and hotas for me, though this is not by choice, I would get trakIR (though not pedals, bit OTT for me) if I could justify to myself the expenditure. I am getting sick of the hat switch though.

F0_Dark_P
06-26-2005, 01:55 PM
just joystick here, i have a track ir but i dont like it, so i look around with my mouse, it works the best

Stigler_9_JG52
06-26-2005, 03:13 PM
OK, if you want my opinion on controllers and setups, and why, here it is:

I use a HOTAS because it gives me more of a realistic feel than relying on the keyboard for certain flight and combat commands... it puts these commands at my fingertips (like flaps, WEP, etc.)

I use pedals because rudder is very important to maneuver and control of an aircraft and I just can't abide those awful toy twisty sticks...

I don't use Track IR because I have a perfectly good hat switch on my stick, I'm used to it, and I don't think I "lose that much" to someone who does use Track IR. Furthermore it's a bit expensive for just one [admittedly important] element of the game (viewing).

As for Cockpit vs. No Cockpit, I feel one can't seriously think that "pretending the pit isn't there" is more realistic than contending with viewing obstacles; even when you consider the lack of binocular viewing, controversies about the visibility out of certain specific planes (like FW190, for instance). Finally, the WonderWoman view allows people a HUGE below-the-nose visibility that is a HIGHLY unrealistic gunnery aid. I just don't feel you can come anywhere near a "realistic" experience without eliminating "No Cockpit" and "External" views (although I do realize that, due to gameplay design issues, Externals are necessary for CV decks... and also desert strips, where you can't tell the difference between a prepared strip and the rocky terrain adjoining it).

Hunde_3.JG51
06-26-2005, 03:16 PM
Atomic, don't you mean full real/pit ON instead of pit off? Also I recommend using "full switch" as some get offended by full real.

Saitek Evo and that's about it. No rudder pedals, track-ir, etc. To be honest I think I may get rudder pedals some day but I don't think I would like track-ir. I wish I could try it first instead of just seeing clips of people using it, but obviously that can't happen. Also, I could NEVER use something like the X-45 where the controls come in two pieces, I fly with my joystick on my lap and I don't see how people can fly effectively with their hands on two different pieces of equipment or off to the side. I guess it is what you are used to. Nor could I ever get used to thumb lever for rudder, it has to be twist or pedals.

civildog
06-26-2005, 03:17 PM
Twisty-stick w/throttle and TrackIR

Now that I have the TrackIR having the cockpit locked and the externals off it's a whole new game. Not nearly as frustrating as before and much more realistic feeling. I need a HOTAS now, though, and pedals.

Atomic_Marten
06-26-2005, 03:48 PM
Originally posted by Hunde_3.JG51:
Atomic, don't you mean full real/pit ON instead of pit off? Also I recommend using "full switch" as some get offended by full real.

About pit off, you are right, I mistyped it; it should be of course pit always on..
Corrected. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Also since I am in good mood I will change full real into "full switch" or "realistic". http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Stigler_9_JG52
06-26-2005, 04:57 PM
Interesting comments, Hunde.

Here's an insight...

When I got my H.O.T.A.S.S. stand, which is a platform for my stick and throttle (it stands on the floor and elevates the gear to chair level), the first thing I did was to mount my joystick in the center position on the stand for that true "stick-between-the-legs" feel.

But, at that angle, correct though it was, it was at a very uncomfortable angle for using the thumb for hatswitch viewing. So, I moved it off to the right side. The throttle's on the left. And it works great; feels very natural. (Keep in mind also, the F-16's "stick" is a small mini-joystick on the right console...!)

As far as "on your lap", doesn't that just move around way too much? I've found you need the base of your stick to be stable, and even if you have to put it on a table or something, velcro strips are a necessity: if your stick base moves or can tip over to any side, you're probably not getting a proper throw for your stick, since the movement of the base will offset it some.

ClnlSandersLite
06-27-2005, 02:51 AM
As far as "on your lap", doesn't that just move around way too much? I've found you need the base of your stick to be stable, and even if you have to put it on a table or something, velcro strips are a necessity: if your stick base moves or can tip over to any side, you're probably not getting a proper throw for your stick, since the movement of the base will offset it some.


Like an Easy + Realistic solution?

Materials:
1. 1/2 inch diameter dowel rod (I'd use oak just cause)
2. Joystick
3. Excess wire of the proper gauge
4. Some glue/resin or bolts with wich to attach the items. Needs will vary depending on item 2 above.
5. Solder

Tools:
1. Saw
2. Soldering Iron

Simplified instructions:
1. cut joystick handle off of the joystick base
2. cut pole to proper length
3. attach pole to joystick base and handle
4. Splice wires to make connections between handle and base
5. Secure apparatus to floor of "Home cockpit" (there are many options here ranging from bolts to tieing it down with a shoestring.)

ednavar
06-27-2005, 03:24 AM
Originally posted by ClnlSandersLite:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">As far as "on your lap", doesn't that just move around way too much? I've found you need the base of your stick to be stable, and even if you have to put it on a table or something, velcro strips are a necessity: if your stick base moves or can tip over to any side, you're probably not getting a proper throw for your stick, since the movement of the base will offset it some.


Like an Easy + Realistic solution?

Materials:
1. 1/2 inch diameter dowel rod (I'd use oak just cause)
2. Joystick
3. Excess wire of the proper gauge
4. Some glue/resin or bolts with wich to attach the items. Needs will vary depending on item 2 above.
5. Solder

Tools:
1. Saw
2. Soldering Iron

Simplified instructions:
1. cut joystick handle off of the joystick base
2. cut pole to proper length
3. attach pole to joystick base and handle
4. Splice wires to make connections between handle and base
5. Secure apparatus to floor of "Home cockpit" (there are many options here ranging from bolts to tieing it down with a shoestring.) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hi ClnlSandersLite,

would you mind posting some pictures of this setup? Cheers,

E.

JG54_Arnie
06-27-2005, 03:34 AM
Joystick and pedals here! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

I use the mouse for looking around, works great.

Prop_Strike
06-27-2005, 04:02 AM
I built an Akers-Barnes cockpit and modified it a little. I have my Saitek cyb. evo force in the middle for 'between the legs' flying, and also a CH flight sim yoke on the right hand side(with the wheel facing the front) so I can use the throttle controls(for throttle,pitch and flaps),and yoke buttons.Got a set of CH pro pedals at my feet and a TIR3 pro w/vector on top of the monitor with Track hat and vector clip on my head.
All this and I still suck.....couldn't play the game anymore without it all though.
BTW...I play with almost full switch(GG,WC) whenever possible and use TS most of the time.

All bow to the King of the Geeks!!

Jumoschwanz
06-27-2005, 06:05 AM
All I ever used was a Microsoft Precision2 stick.
I have ch pedals but am only using them offline until I get the hang of them.

I use the hat-switch and one base button to look around and kick a=ss.

I tried track IR and it is no good for me, I don't recommend it.

I don't even recommend rudder pedals, unless you want them for the immersion and to get a taste of how to control a real plane.

I like the twisty stick for rudder for online combat. I am used to it and you can do anything with it you can do with pedals.

S!
Jumoschwanz

73GIAP_Milan
06-27-2005, 06:29 AM
Twiststick only here..

Views with hatswitch+Joy2key, other funcs on keyboard..
Stick has buttons for All Guns, MG's, Cannons, Flaps Up/Flaps Down, Center View, Zoom Normal, Zoom Out and WEP.

Sometimes i use the mouse for more precise scanning of the skies.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

BM357_Hitcher
06-27-2005, 06:31 AM
Rudder Pedals and Track IR Pro 3 are absolutely amazing. As many say, once you get them, you can't understand how you managed without them!

T_O_A_D
06-27-2005, 07:06 AM
X-45 + Microsoft FFb + Ch Pedals + Track Ir I only wish my pedals had FFB too.

MEGILE
06-27-2005, 07:57 AM
X45 + Good looks + Skill of an ace

TgD Thunderbolt56
06-27-2005, 08:15 AM
This is probably the only place I can say without the possibility of being embarrassed...so here goes. I use a modified Akers-Barnes pit with a flat panel display on a boom to bring it closer to my face. I have a CH Flightstick Pro+ Pro Throttle+ Pro pedals+ TIR 3 Pro w/vector. I also use a set of AKG headphones and have a small refrigerator next to my pit.

All I need now is a catheter and someone willing to bring me the occassional sandwich. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif


TB

Jaws2002
06-27-2005, 08:30 AM
Ch Fighter Stick + Pro pedals + X45( use the throttle for uber pitch and trim on a slider ) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif
Now I'm thinking who can I fool to buy me a TIR 3 Pro for let's say my birthday. (My girl won't bite) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Ah I forgit the 5 liter Grolsch minikeg as oxigen bottle. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

JG54_Arnie
06-27-2005, 08:37 AM
Originally posted by TgD Thunderbolt56:
This is probably the only place I can say without the possibility of being embarrassed...so here goes. I use a modified Akers-Barnes pit with a flat panel display on a boom to bring it closer to my face. I have a CH Flightstick Pro+ Pro Throttle+ Pro pedals+ TIR 3 Pro w/vector. I also use a set of AKG headphones and have a small refrigerator next to my pit.

All I need now is a catheter and someone willing to bring me the occassional sandwich. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif


TB

well, you have kids right? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Nice setup http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Kocur_
06-27-2005, 02:52 PM
Originally posted by Hunde_3.JG51:
but I don't think I would like track-ir. I wish I could try it first instead of just seeing clips of people using it
There is a way to quasi-try TIR:
http://freelook.org
The rest is basically free, yet it takes some doityourself:
http://www.kg200.zary.com.pl/inne/articles/freelook/freelook.htm
The latter link is for pics only ofcoursehttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif TIR idea reversed: you have a source of light (visible or IR) attached to your head via glasses, hat or headset. Assuming one already has a webcam it takes only a LED, some cables, and power source. It can be USB, battery or (in my case)...keyboard http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif
Configurating freelook HURTS, but i would gladly share my profile file.
FL is not perfect but could give you general impression.

TROOPER117
06-27-2005, 05:48 PM
MUST.....HAVE..PEDALS!
NEED..RUDDER PEDALS!

ok, I do need some. But I'm UK based so where can I get the best deal, without annoying the bank manager!!

Regards...Dave S.

Atomic_Marten
06-28-2005, 09:42 AM
Eh..
Interesting results. Out of 105 votes so far, most of them are flying with option 1 (HOTAS+trackIR+pedals) and second is option 2 (joystick only).

For me this is a small surprise. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif


TROOPER117 wrote:
MUST.....HAVE..PEDALS!
NEED..RUDDER PEDALS!

Well I guess I need them too. I presume that once you get accustomed to them, your aim will improve drastically.(more confident shots in situations where 'precision' is needed, etc.)

rnzoli
06-28-2005, 03:20 PM
Originally posted by Kocur_:
Configurating freelook HURTS, but i would gladly share my profile file.
FL is not perfect but could give you general impression.

Not true. Configuration doesn't hurt (it's only complicated). But the motion sickness that you can get after the very first hour using it - well, that indeed hurts!

However, if you keep on trying, then you get the hang of it. I did and now I consider it as a TrackIR equivalent. I voted accordingly.