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XyZspineZyX
08-31-2003, 08:20 PM
Progress shots of the Tempest cockpit. All from the pilots point of view.
Still very "clean". I'll work on that once everything is built and painted. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif


http://members.cox.net/hammerd/images/Cockpit_133.jpg


http://members.cox.net/hammerd/images/Cockpit_129.jpg


http://members.cox.net/hammerd/images/Cockpit_130.jpg


http://members.cox.net/hammerd/images/Cockpit_131.jpg


http://members.cox.net/hammerd/images/Cockpit_132.jpg


Hammerd

XyZspineZyX
08-31-2003, 08:20 PM
Progress shots of the Tempest cockpit. All from the pilots point of view.
Still very "clean". I'll work on that once everything is built and painted. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif


http://members.cox.net/hammerd/images/Cockpit_133.jpg


http://members.cox.net/hammerd/images/Cockpit_129.jpg


http://members.cox.net/hammerd/images/Cockpit_130.jpg


http://members.cox.net/hammerd/images/Cockpit_131.jpg


http://members.cox.net/hammerd/images/Cockpit_132.jpg


Hammerd

XyZspineZyX
08-31-2003, 08:28 PM
real nice
thanx

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XyZspineZyX
08-31-2003, 08:35 PM
The modeling and textures of this cockpit are breaktaking. It's coming along very nice. Great job to the both of you! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-31-2003, 08:41 PM
Great work - can't wait to take that baby for a spin.

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XyZspineZyX
08-31-2003, 08:48 PM
WOW!



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XyZspineZyX
08-31-2003, 08:58 PM
I love it, but where's the cockpit floor?

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XyZspineZyX
08-31-2003, 09:02 PM
NICE.
so....
When is it plan to be in the game???

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XyZspineZyX
08-31-2003, 09:12 PM
It's really great. I'd like to ask about what I perceive as a problem, however:

http://members.cox.net/hammerd/images/Cockpit_133.jpg

To me, the instruments behind the tubing simply aren't readable. I can only see a small part of the dials. Is there any way to deal with that problem?





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XyZspineZyX
08-31-2003, 09:13 PM
I'm sure if it's supposed to have a floor, Alex would have put one in.
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Hammerd

XyZspineZyX
08-31-2003, 09:15 PM
Good question Icarus999.
I have no idea. I'll leave that question for Alex.

Hammerd

XyZspineZyX
08-31-2003, 09:16 PM
Yes, breathtaking is the word. Wow.

I don't believe the Tempest had any kind of transparent floor. The outside shell probably just wasn't included in this build.

XyZspineZyX
08-31-2003, 09:28 PM
Oooooh, niiiice! Especially without the floor... no more padlock ON or OFF discussions, just "put your foot" on the target.../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-31-2003, 09:33 PM
Cool! glass bottom aircraft! Those Brits thing of everything. This eliminates that pesky blind spot just under your aircraft!

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XyZspineZyX
08-31-2003, 09:39 PM
Gibbage1 wrote:
- Cool! glass bottom aircraft! Those Brits thing of
- everything. This eliminates that pesky blind spot
- just under your aircraft!


????? The whole fuselage is solid Gib. The cockpit was built of tubes, a frame that housed the pit. The only glass bottom fighter I know were the early F4U-1 Corsairs.



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XyZspineZyX
08-31-2003, 09:49 PM
Ich glaub' das war'n Witz. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-31-2003, 09:52 PM
There were some fighters with glass "bottom" denbug, so I don't know he maybe has the early F4U in his mind./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif



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XyZspineZyX
08-31-2003, 09:55 PM
Don't worry, the cockpit will have a floor eventually. I don't think we can do anything about the instruments behind the tubing. In the real aircraft the pilot is able to move his head and read those instruments; we can't do this in FB but only removing the tubing completely will solve the problem. This would be in my opinion much more unrealistic.

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XyZspineZyX
08-31-2003, 10:05 PM
Alex that pit is perfect, people who like to whine about tubes just don't understand how many hours some people put into such a project./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif



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XyZspineZyX
08-31-2003, 10:26 PM
That's ok, a little constructive criticism is always welcome. I'm much more concerned about the base of the gunsight obscuring the artificial horizon. In fact the gunsight base is rotated 180 deg in our cockpit because all the gunsight reference we have show its base in this position. In the real aicraft it was inverted (wire towards the instrument panel). If can help us with good images of the british gunsights, please send it to alex_voicu at boosterzone.ro
Thanks.

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XyZspineZyX
08-31-2003, 10:47 PM
Alex_Voicu wrote:
- That's ok, a little constructive criticism is always
- welcome. I'm much more concerned about the base of
- the gunsight obscuring the artificial horizon. In
- fact the gunsight base is rotated 180 deg in our
- cockpit because all the gunsight reference we have
- show its base in this position. In the real aicraft
- it was inverted (wire towards the instrument panel).
- If can help us with good images of the british
- gunsights, please send it to alex_voicu at
- boosterzone.ro
- Thanks.
-
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- Alex "Bloodhound" Voicu
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Boy, fantastici mai sunt romanii!! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
BTW, is this gonna be in the famous addon that we are all waiting for?
How much work is needed? I would surely love to fly this litlle brute ASAP, hehee.

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XyZspineZyX
08-31-2003, 10:52 PM
Didn't q version of the Buffalo have "glass bottom"?

I ssem to recall seeing this many, many years ago (in a model of all things)

XyZspineZyX
08-31-2003, 11:01 PM
Salut Von Zero

Chiar azi am descarcat un skin de-al tau. E o placere sa-mi privesc Messerschmitt-ul acum.
Nu stiu cand vom termina, dar nu cred ca foarte curand.

XyZspineZyX
08-31-2003, 11:08 PM
Where's the snap-shot of Betty Boop?

And the fuzzy dice hanging down?

Other than that .....looks great !!!!
Can't wait to sit in it.

XyZspineZyX
08-31-2003, 11:13 PM
Alex_Voicu wrote:
- Salut Von Zero
-
- Chiar azi am descarcat un skin de-al tau. E o
- placere sa-mi privesc Messerschmitt-ul acum.
- Nu stiu cand vom termina, dar nu cred ca foarte
- curand.
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S!
Serios? ohhh,my!
Sunt flatat.
Pacat ca nu va fi gata prea curand, pana acum arata excelent. Keep up the good work. Succes! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif


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XyZspineZyX
08-31-2003, 11:17 PM
Alex_Voicu wrote:
- Salut Von Zero
-
- Chiar azi am descarcat un skin de-al tau. E o
- placere sa-mi privesc Messerschmitt-ul acum.
- Nu stiu cand vom termina, dar nu cred ca foarte
- curand.


Hey, I didn't know how similar is Romanian language to Spanish. Of course, it's another Latin-derived tongue.

I understand half the words, but still the last meaning is rather obscure to me. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Nice cockpit. I'm willing to see it wrapped in a plane. And I hope that Alex wont be privated of that mystery Messerschmitt pleasure. When will it be finished? (??) /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-31-2003, 11:31 PM
"Sunt flatat..."

Mmmm, "I'm flattered". "Me siento halagado".

These two have something in hands... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Curious curiosity... Si sabeis alguna novedad, âÂżpor quĂ© no la compartĂÂ*s conmigo? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Me voy a dormir... I'm going to bed. Good night. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-31-2003, 11:31 PM
DuxCorvan wrote:
- Hey, I didn't know how similar is Romanian language
- to Spanish. Of course, it's another Latin-derived
- tongue.
-
- I understand half the words, but still the last
- meaning is rather obscure to me. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

I noticed that along time ago(here the "telenovelas" are still in vogue).
If that helps you, here is the translation of Alex's words(mot-a-mot): "Hi Von Zero
Just today I downloaded one of your skins. It's a pleasure to watch my Messerschmitt now.
I don't know when we are going to finish, but I don't belive it will be too soon."
I realy like Spanish, and it seems like an easy to learn language, too bad I don't have the time to learn it... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-31-2003, 11:41 PM
Von_Zero wrote:
- I realy like Spanish, and it seems like an easy to
- learn language, too bad I don't have the time to
- learn it...


I'd like to learn Romanian someday. It seems an ellegant and fluid language. And I ensure you I'll find the time. I like Romanian history. Now I'm reading that Osprey book about the Romanian aces in WW2. Soon we'll be flying IARs and Hs 129s over Russia. Till then, S'!

Now I'm going to sleep... It's 0:40 here in CĂĄdiz, the most ancient city still populated in Western Europe (3000 years by now). Sweet dreams! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-31-2003, 11:51 PM
Sweet dreams, Dux!

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XyZspineZyX
09-01-2003, 03:34 AM
KIMURA wrote:
- Alex that pit is perfect, people who like to whine
- about tubes just don't understand how many hours
- some people put into such a project

Kimura, you ******* -

Tell me if you can decipher the instruments behind the tubes, and then tell me if it's "whining" to respectfully point out the problem and ask if there is a solution to it.

And I'm sorry to say, the number of hours people put into it is irrelevant,if the instrument literally can't be seen.



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XyZspineZyX
09-01-2003, 03:37 AM
been looking good for months. when will it make it to fb and is it going to be part of the freeware planes pack


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XyZspineZyX
09-01-2003, 04:05 AM
I've said it a hundred times but, Thank You. The progress looks amazing as always, much appreciated.

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XyZspineZyX
09-01-2003, 07:47 AM
Well, the problem with tha artificial horizon wouldn't exist if Il-2/FB had the free movement into the cockpit that WW2F had.

Anyway, this is not too important, unless you make a pure instrumental flight (unlikely in FB!) /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-01-2003, 07:58 AM
Great looking pit! One of the most detailed cockpits I've seen...

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XyZspineZyX
09-01-2003, 08:05 AM
Icarus,
You can already see all you need on the tachometer (2500-3700 RPM range) but i'll move it a little higher so you can see even more (2000-3700 RPM). I doubt you really need to know what's the RPM when the engine is idling.
I can't do anything about the boost pressure gauge.

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XyZspineZyX
09-01-2003, 08:08 AM
Alex I have some suggesstions at what can be done to get those gauges viewable. I've taken the liberty to mark on the pictures for reference. Yes this would deviate from reality but as already stated slight 'reality deviations have been made for sake of functionality.


Here for the RPM gauge you could try moving it up some in your model and too 'tuck' the corner of the gauge under the canopy edge like the gauge under B on the left. This would get the important range of the gauge viewable.

http://www.redspar.com/redrogue/TempestRPM.jpg


For the Boost gauge you could try relocating it from its current realistic area A to an area marked as B. This would be a large deviation from reality but wouldn't really be 'abnormal' compared to invisible frame rails and such.

http://www.redspar.com/redrogue/TempestBoost.jpg



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Message Edited on 09/01/0302:09AM by Cragger

XyZspineZyX
09-01-2003, 08:09 AM
It's a moot point,but it's cool you're willing to fix it...

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XyZspineZyX
09-01-2003, 08:21 AM
hi,
let's design the struts/view of FW 190 and some other planes in that way .. and we are coming to more 'real things'...

question: does this pic present the final integration into the game engine's camera view ?
I guess the instruments are better visible in real pilot view...(reference /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif onald Nijboer/Dan Patterson/
1998/cockpit..WWII aircraft interiors/Boston Mills Press)

Is there a update gunsight view available ?

XyZspineZyX
09-01-2003, 08:44 AM
I'll move the tachometer a little higher, but i don't think i'll move the boost gauge such a long way. After all, we're not trying to build the perfect plane here; this is a Tempest, with its qualities and flaws.
How come nooone asked where's the gunsight reflector plate?
/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-01-2003, 08:52 AM
Where's the gunsight reflector plate?/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-01-2003, 10:13 AM
WOW!!!!
Can't wait to fly it!

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XyZspineZyX
09-01-2003, 10:26 AM
Icarus

Don't call me dumpass, you dumpass./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Everyone wants correct pits. If you don't agree to the actual Tempest pit search for some real life Tempest cockpit pics and you'll see how good the project is - or better don't fly the Temepest - easy that./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
Whining about barely and badly to see instruments is just a joke. I rather prefer correct pits than those of MS with maybe better but WRONG layout.







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XyZspineZyX
09-01-2003, 10:53 AM
Alex_Voicu wrote:
- I'll move the tachometer a little higher, but i
- don't think i'll move the boost gauge such a long
- way. After all, we're not trying to build the
- perfect plane here; this is a Tempest, with its
- qualities and flaws.
- How come nooone asked where's the gunsight reflector
- plate?


Actually I'm trying to get the Typhoon built, but it seems like a losing battle /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-01-2003, 11:15 AM
Thanks for the work, it looks absolutely fantastic! It really is excellent work. Thanks!!! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-01-2003, 12:47 PM
KIMURA wrote:
- Alex that pit is perfect, people who like to whine
- about tubes just don't understand how many hours
- some people put into such a project.

Sorry KIMURA, it is you who did not understand Gib's dry humour. If anyone understands what is involved in doing modelling, it is Gib.

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Alex, great job./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif Many thanks for your work.

Do you think you could re-work the P-47 when you get time?/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif That gunsight is discusting.

Don't worry about the instrument placement. If you move them then the cockpit will not be 100% authentic/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif and besides, other a/c have some important instruments hiden as well. Maybe the braces could be made a little smaller to help in viewing the instruments. More work, more delay in seeing the Tempest in FB./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

The view of the pilot should represent what the pilot sees on the innner surface of the bullet proof glass. This is where the Fw and now the Ki-84 go wrong. Other a/c could have this problem as well, but the Fw now and later the Ki-84 will be my preferred mounts.


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XyZspineZyX
09-01-2003, 12:53 PM
Alex_Voicu wrote:
- Icarus,
- You can already see all you need on the tachometer
- (2500-3700 RPM range) but i'll move it a little
- higher so you can see even more (2000-3700 RPM). I
- doubt you really need to know what's the RPM when
- the engine is idling.
- I can't do anything about the boost pressure gauge.

Thanks, Alex. I just want to repeat: I made no complaint on your modeling skills, as they are really excellent. I honestly did want to know if a perceived problem could be addressed, that's all.



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XyZspineZyX
09-01-2003, 01:03 PM
KIMURA wrote:
- Icarus
-
- Don't call me dumpass, you dumpass./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
-
- Everyone wants correct pits. If you don't agree to
- the actual Tempest pit search for some real life
- Tempest cockpit pics and you'll see how good the
- project is - or better don't fly the Temepest - easy
- that./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
- Whining about barely and badly to see instruments is
- just a joke. I rather prefer correct pits than those
- of MS with maybe better but WRONG layout.


Jesus wept.

First, I never claimed there was anything wrong with the pit from accuracy viewpoint. Go look. I can wait.

Second,see if you can understand this: the "real" pilots of those "real" planes could actually see those instruments, because they can turn their heads and move their bodies. Judging from the images posted here, we can't do that with the 'pit in the game. So how "accurate" is that? Not blaming anyone for it, it just turns out that the developers don't allow for movement within the 'pit. So maybe adjustments can be considered.

Third, and I repeat this for your benefit as you apparently are having trouble understanding it - I never complained about the work being done. What I said was that the tubes made it impossible for me to see the instruments behind them, and was there a possible solution?

I invite you to figure out what the instruments are actually showing. I also invite you to fly full real and then see if you might not rely on those instruments. And then see if not being able to see them might pose a problem.


Or, in short - to stupidly repeat that someone is "whining" when a real problem has been *respectfully* pointed out (and note that I was nothing but respectful in my first post, and all my subsequent posts to Alex) is just plain stupid, frankly.

Nobody needs you here. Alex has already recognized there might be a problem and propose a very good solution. You are not needed to make ******* comments about serious questions.





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XyZspineZyX
09-01-2003, 01:13 PM
This isn't the first IL2 / FB aircraft with unseeable instruments.

If we can not have head movement (which may be a structure problem inside the code) could we have an option (a button toggle) for semi-transparent components inside the cockpit - say anything between the pilot and the instrument panel.

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XyZspineZyX
09-01-2003, 01:19 PM
Icarus

I know the problem what you claimed. But as Alex stated he tries for a perfect model, so that means accuracy on spot view, for example to the instruments. If you're sitting in a real like Tempest/Typhoon pit, the view to the partly hidden instruments is exactly the same. (same problem as with the current 190 cockpit and its pit struts.)

The field of vision is bound on the limit of the FB eye-kinematic as it is at the moment. So the only chance for better field of view is to switch from "F1" to "ShiftF1" if you wanna see hidden instruments. Just the same procedure as on Il-2 La-5's, FB Me262 and others./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Icarus wrote:

-Nobody needs you here. Alex has already recognized there
-might be a problem and propose a very good solution. You
-are not needed to make ******* comments about serious
-questions.


Yes Alex is moving some gauges but not that much as you would like. Fortunately Alex likes accurate cockpits./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Icarus wrote:

-You are not needed to make ******* comments about serious
-questions.

If that question was serious or not lays in the eye of the beholder./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif You should already know the game and it limits and its views. So your question contains a motivation to wrong correct models./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif That is stupid./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif






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Message Edited on 09/01/0301:28PM by KIMURA

fluke39
09-01-2003, 01:27 PM
KIMURA wrote:
- Icarus I know the problem what you claimed. But as
- Alex stated he tries for a perfect model, so that
- means accuracy on spot view, for example to the
- instruments. If you're sitting in a real like
- Tempest/Typhoon pit, the view to the partly hidden
- instruments is exactly the same. (same problem as
- with the current 190 cockpit and its pit struts.)
-
- The field of vision is bound on the limit of the FB
- eye-kinematic as it is at the moment. So the only
- chance for better field of view is to switch from
- "F1" to "ShiftF1" if you wanna see hidden
- instruments. Just the same procedure as on Il-2
- La-5's, FB Me262 and others./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
-

good idea - exactly what i was about to say!! the only "head" movement allowed inside the cockpit is the shift +f1 movement - so perhaps as the pilots head moves backwards or forwards the hidden instrument could be revealed /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

great work by the way guys /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif can't wait to fly it




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XyZspineZyX
09-01-2003, 02:00 PM
necrobaron wrote:
- Where's the gunsight reflector plate?


There is no reflector plate. The reticle was projected directly on the windscreen. This should give us very good visibility for deflection shooting. Look at the first image; the aiming point should be exactly in the center of the image.

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Alex "Bloodhound" Voicu

XyZspineZyX
09-01-2003, 05:13 PM
Hmmm,that's pretty cool. One thing though:wouldn't the curvature of the canopy distort the sight? Or is the glass in the front part of the cockpit flat?

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XyZspineZyX
09-01-2003, 05:49 PM
Hahahaha!

This thread is funny.

Great work on the cockpit chaps, but some people in this thread wouldn't recognise irony if it bit them in the leg.

Hee!/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-01-2003, 05:55 PM
The Tempest sight was illuminated onto the windscreen which was a special type glass of the same kind that was used on gunsight glasses. As you can see the windscreen is flat anyway.

Very nice cockpit but I wonder what the bulging brown coaming below (or in front -if you will- of) the sight is.

I don't seem to recall a pic of a V Tempest where this large obstruction actually exists..anyone?

XyZspineZyX
09-01-2003, 06:01 PM
Looks like a head cushion to me,to keep you from banging your head on the console...

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XyZspineZyX
09-01-2003, 07:12 PM
hi,
here a link to different designs + results in sims..

http://user.tninet.se/~ytm843e/sims.htm

link to Hawker Tempest Page:

http://user.tninet.se/~ytm843e/detailcockpit.htm

XyZspineZyX
09-01-2003, 07:18 PM
a Chin rest for when aiming./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-01-2003, 08:02 PM
necrobaron wrote:
- Hmmm,that's pretty cool. One thing though:wouldn't
- the curvature of the canopy distort the sight? Or is
- the glass in the front part of the cockpit flat?
-


Well, as far as I know, most of windscreens in WW2 were flat. Even "burble" canopies like the ones in P-47, P-51 or P-80 had framed bullet-proof windscreens. I think that it was imposible to make bullet-proof convex glass by then. Just old-fashioned ac, like the I-16, which lacked a bullet-proof windscreen, used a rounded piece of glass.

Just the most modern ac, like F-16 onwards have a complete burbled canopy. But close support planes, like the A-10, which insists in the protection of pilot, still use a deep-section piece of armored flat glass as windscreen.

S'! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-01-2003, 08:11 PM
starfighter1 wrote:
- hi,
- here a link to different designs + results in sims..

They have forgotten Aces over Europe by Sierra/Dynamyx. Well, it's rather primitive... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif . But it was some kind of pioneer, wasn't it? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

- Dux Corvan -

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XyZspineZyX
09-02-2003, 07:34 AM
"Take off,is only the beginnigg
Bail out, is YOUR end."

I still scratch my head every time I see this.