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XyZspineZyX
09-13-2003, 08:52 PM
I don't know how some people can still b*tch about the add on.All I know is that I am more than happy about the add on.What you thought that you would get two whole theaters and 50 planes.You ask for way too much.Besides who said that this was going to be the last add on.BANZAI!!!!!!!!

XyZspineZyX
09-13-2003, 08:52 PM
I don't know how some people can still b*tch about the add on.All I know is that I am more than happy about the add on.What you thought that you would get two whole theaters and 50 planes.You ask for way too much.Besides who said that this was going to be the last add on.BANZAI!!!!!!!!

XyZspineZyX
09-13-2003, 09:31 PM
Nobody asked or had expected to get 50 planes, and we all appreciate the effort, but there are planes like Bf-110, Ju-88, IAR-80/81, or C-202, that where used on large scale on the eastern front.Needless to say that all of them are in the game as AI for a long time.I think this planes should be introduced in the game before the Zero or Frank.And by the way, we are not b*tching.

XyZspineZyX
09-13-2003, 11:41 PM
Why aren't the Bf-110 and the Ju-88 in the free add-on? Beacuse the Bf-110 and Ju-88 aren't finished,simple as that..../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-13-2003, 11:48 PM
KURIBAYASHI wrote:
- I don't know how some people can still b*tch about
- the add on.All I know is that I am more than happy
- about the add on.What you thought that you would get
- two whole theaters and 50 planes.You ask for way too
- much.Besides who said that this was going to be the
- last add on.BANZAI!!!!!!!!
-

Well, your name and sig tells me you just cannot be too objective, am I wrong? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Right, I think the add-on is great. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

What I don't like is not that they have put Japanese planes, but that they have not put more Pacific scenery planes and a map just to play offline. Dogfight onliners will be delighted, but we offliners just can't have the proper immersion with these adds that, by now, are simply out of context.

Just the P-38, a Solomon or Guadalcanal map, and IA G4Ms, would have suffice to give a new dimension to FB, and you'd be happier than ever, wouldn't you?

- Dux Corvan -



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XyZspineZyX
09-14-2003, 12:11 AM
As I understood there will be more PTO stuff in the near future. Besides the Ki-84-Ia, Ki-84-Ib, A6M2 and A6M5a are following PTO related a/c on the working benches of some 3rd party modellers.

Ki-61 status unknown
F4U-1D looks good
F6F-3/5 status unknown
J2M3 status unknown
F4F not known if someone working on
P-39 alredy ex.
P-38F not picked up as project.
B-25G in the works



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Message Edited on 09/14/0312:13AM by KIMURA

XyZspineZyX
09-14-2003, 12:19 AM
Whether AI or flyable, I'm happy to see the Japanese planes included.

Looking forward to shooting them down Big Time!



"Official Lancaster Whiner"

XyZspineZyX
09-14-2003, 12:40 AM
Beirut wrote:
- Whether AI or flyable, I'm happy to see the Japanese
- planes included.
-
- Looking forward to shooting them down Big Time!

I second that, and just cant wait for the zero whinners to start with the but it burst into flames with just a couple of mg hits /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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RichardI
09-14-2003, 01:33 AM
KURIBAYASHI:-
I'm going to love the Zero. Not everyone here is whining about it. Some people just haven't woken up yet to the fact that this is not an "Eastern Front" sim any more.
The Zero was a great plane in it's time and is a true WWII classic. I'm looking forward to it.
I wouldn't get too excited though until you see how it flies in FB..../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

arigato, kiribayashi san

Rich /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-14-2003, 01:44 AM
I also think the zero was a great plane but it had to give up alot in the way of survivability to be the great dogfighter it was,I think with the heavy weapons we have in FB it will get torn to bits,as long as you stay faster than the zero you will not have to fear it.

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XyZspineZyX
09-14-2003, 02:41 AM
In the classic work on air combat in the South Pacific, "Fire In The Sky", Eric M. Bergerud explains how the Claude and the Nell were paired together as a fighter/bomber team, and later, the Zero and Betty. Both planes were magnificent failures.

The Betty outranged almost all other aircraft of the war,
including it's own escort, the Zero. It couldn't take a hit, and fell easy prey to even first generation U.S. planes. The Zero's well documented frailty belied the state-of-the-art engineering behind it's design. But the Yokusuka air group, notorious for selecting the best dogfighters over any other attribute,
(they actually disliked the Zero at first because it couldn't turn with a Claude) insured that Japan went to war with a fighter that would have been more at home in the style of airfighting that was the norm in WWI, not WWII.

The Zero stood at somewhat of a disadvantage against a properly flown P-40, very little chance against a P-38 or Hellcat, and almost no chance at all against a Corsair or Mustang. The fact that many allied planes were shot down is testimony to the skill and courage of early war Japanese fliers. (Who, by virtue of the fact that Japan had no rotation system for it's war weary aircrew, were essentially flying under a death sentence).

The Zero will be alot like the Fiat G-50, IAR 80, I-16 and I153 in FB. Fun to fly, impossible to turn with, but when flying against well flown energy fighters, a sitting duck.
A structurally very weak sitting duck.

S!
Chris

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XyZspineZyX
09-14-2003, 04:11 AM
OFFLINERS dont get any downloads at all

OFFLINERS wont have any JAP planes

OFFLINERS have FB v1.0

OFFLINERS have the Eastern Theater
thus have all the immersion that FB was supposed to give


DuxCorvan wrote:

- What I don't like is we
- offliners just can't have the proper immersion with
- these adds that, by now, are simply out of context


this is a ONLINE forum .... if you only play OFFLINE thats your bisuness & dont bring it too here

OFFLINERS dont get to have any say whatsoever bout what is offered to the ON-LINE community

if your OFFLINE go wait for the next available game from Maddox Games that will be available OFFLINE

XyZspineZyX
09-14-2003, 05:18 AM
The 400km Gulf of Finland map will do just fine for the offwhiners.

Onwhiners get that 100km island map they lifted out of the Gulf of Finland. That other "onwhine" island map at 30km is too small for anybody I guess.

XyZspineZyX
09-14-2003, 05:35 AM
Offline flyers I would guess would only see Zeros in the QMB.

Online flyers will only see it in servers that use it.



Message Edited on 09/14/0304:44AM by Iris47

XyZspineZyX
09-14-2003, 10:07 AM
WUAF_Badsight wrote:

- this is a ONLINE forum .... if you only play OFFLINE
- thats your bisuness & dont bring it too here
-

Is this an ONLINE forum?

This is an IL-2/FB forum. I play offline just because the IA seems to be more polite that some guys.

You're an example.

The add-on is supposed to be for every FB user. But, since it lacks offline incentives, just a minor portion of users will really benefit of it.

I've got NOTHING against the online community. It's great that they can enjoy this sim in company. In fact, since they're going to play together, they're supposed to know how to treat each other kindly.

If you're going to ask to leave to everyone that doesn't share your likings or opinions...

/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

"thats your business & don't bring it too here"

- Dux Corvan -



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XyZspineZyX
09-14-2003, 11:24 AM
this is a ONLINE and a OFFLINE forum.






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XyZspineZyX
09-14-2003, 11:58 AM
WUAF_Badsight wrote:
- OFFLINERS dont get any downloads at all
-
- OFFLINERS wont have any JAP planes
-
-
- OFFLINERS have FB v1.0
-
-
- OFFLINERS have the Eastern Theater
-
- thus have all the immersion that FB was supposed to
- give
-
-
- DuxCorvan wrote:
-
-- What I don't like is we
-- offliners just can't have the proper immersion with
-- these adds that, by now, are simply out of context
-
-
- this is a ONLINE forum .... if you only play OFFLINE
- thats your bisuness & dont bring it too here
-
- OFFLINERS dont get to have any say whatsoever bout
- what is offered to the ON-LINE community
-
- if your OFFLINE go wait for the next available game
- from Maddox Games that will be available OFFLINE
-

With an attitude like that you must get beat up a lot, and you probably deserve it.

XyZspineZyX
09-14-2003, 01:32 PM
i'm happy about the Japanese fighters being included in the addon. i loved 1942 pacific air war and therei is no good modern flight sim that deals with pacific theatre. And P11 wasnt used in eastern front and we have it for a very long time. It is also fine. I wand all the aircraft from all fronts available/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif )))

Salut

To search for perfection
It's all very well
But to look for Heaven
Is to live here in Hell

XyZspineZyX
09-14-2003, 02:09 PM
I think you are placing too much of your fears on the Zero.

The AC to FEAR is the Ki84. It is (was) better than the Zero in every objective performance parameter.

Faster, better climb, better armament, better armor, and it TURNS better too.

It had hands off "fly by wire" control of it's fowler combat flaps as well.

It was not a fragile (except for the landing gear), one shot and burst into flames kind of plane like the early war Japanese aircraft.

It was, however hampered by the ever degrading Japanese industrial base. The early models were very well constructed and had fewer failures, but as time progressed, the incessant bombing by the USAAF made the slow, almost hand crafted assembly of these excellent aircraft almost impossible. Landing gear struts became ever more fragile due to rushed heat treating. And the Homare engine suffered from this as well.

But...

In an FB DF or coop online, it will rule.

BANZAI!!!!


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XyZspineZyX
09-15-2003, 05:16 AM
you need to fly online to see real decent combat

offline is a gimmick

there is no comparison in difficulty

to access this forum you have to get ONLINE

this is NOT a forum for OFFLINE PEOPLE

if you want to winge about something you dont have to recieve & that is offered free online , but you only fly OFFLINE , then go write a letter complaining to UBI about their gift to the online community LMAO

offliner players never get to see the team work that FB has to offer ...........

as far as people online are concerned they are mostly a fantastic group

to see what im like as a player youll need to go ONLINE instead of throwing insults around Shot2Pieces

Shot2Pieces wrote :
- With an attitude like that you must get beat up a lot, and you probably deserve it.

XyZspineZyX
09-15-2003, 06:47 AM
WUAF_Badsight wrote:
--
- to access this forum you have to get ONLINE
-
- this is NOT a forum for OFFLINE PEOPLE
-
- -
- Hmmmmmmmmmm......

I play offline. Yet I access this forum.

Explain that please.

XyZspineZyX
09-15-2003, 06:51 AM
You're right badsight.
There is NO comparison in difficulty.
The AI can do things NO human pilot can! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif
.........................a avowed offliner

S!

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XyZspineZyX
09-15-2003, 06:56 AM
chris455 wrote:
- You're right badsight.
- There is NO comparison in difficulty.
- The AI can do things NO human pilot can! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif
- .........................a avowed offliner
-
- S!
-

And how did YOU access an online only forum sir?

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Message Edited on 09/15/0306:08AM by Iris47

XyZspineZyX
09-15-2003, 07:00 AM
chris455 wrote:
- In the classic work on air combat in the South
- Pacific, "Fire In The Sky", Eric M. Bergerud
- explains how the Claude and the Nell were paired
- together as a fighter/bomber team, and later, the
- Zero and Betty. Both planes were magnificent
- failures.
-
- The Betty outranged almost all other aircraft of the
- war,
- including it's own escort, the Zero. It couldn't
- take a hit, and fell easy prey to even first
- generation U.S. planes. The Zero's well documented
- frailty belied the state-of-the-art engineering
- behind it's design. But the Yokusuka air group,
- notorious for selecting the best dogfighters over
- any other attribute,
- (they actually disliked the Zero at first because it
- couldn't turn with a Claude) insured that Japan went
- to war with a fighter that would have been more at
- home in the style of airfighting that was the norm
- in WWI, not WWII.
-
- The Zero stood at somewhat of a disadvantage against
- a properly flown P-40, very little chance against a
- P-38 or Hellcat, and almost no chance at all against
- a Corsair or Mustang. The fact that many allied
- planes were shot down is testimony to the skill and
- courage of early war Japanese fliers. (Who, by
- virtue of the fact that Japan had no rotation system
- for it's war weary aircrew, were essentially flying
- under a death sentence).
-
- The Zero will be alot like the Fiat G-50, IAR 80,
- I-16 and I153 in FB. Fun to fly, impossible to turn
- with, but when flying against well flown energy
- fighters, a sitting duck.
- A structurally very weak sitting duck.
-
- S!
- Chris
-
Ah Yes "Fire in the Sky" is a very good book yet perhaps a little bit biased (I'm American BTW), but extremely interesting. Once 1943 hit it was over for the Japanese in the air. Even Clarence "Bud" Anderson's book (To Fly and Fight) claimed that the Pacific war Boom and Zoom tactics could not be as successful in the Westerm European front due to relative parity in Europe, and those in the Western front had to dogfight more due to this. Allied pilots agreed that dogfighting with a Zero was almost suicide, but the battle could be dictated at will if using proper energy tactics and teamwork.


Post 1943 it might not be too fun to be in a Japanese aircraft where the relative strengths and weaknesses of competing aircraft are modeled realistically.