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Nimits
02-26-2006, 09:54 PM
True Pacific DGen campaign mod is available on
http://forum.combatace.com/index.php?download=2056
or
http://www.flying-legends.net/php/downloads/download.php?id=3463

Please use version 0.06c, and not TruePacific 0.06 or earlier, or any of the TrueDGen versions.

MAIN FEATURES
1) Adds 9 new DGen operations and 4 new DGen careers for the Pacific Theater.
2) Order of Battle extensively researched to put the right planes and squadrons in the campaign.
3) Ops file is based, as much as possible, on the mission reports and pilot accounts of actual air engagements that occurred during the various campaigns.
4) Planes, ships, AAA, artillery, and everything else is placed in as accurate position as possible based on my research and map/game limitations.
5) New campaign briefings.
6) Use skins so aircraft are painted and marked as they were historically.


Here's what's new:

Original 0.06 was missing ClassesUS1.dat, necessary to fly the SBD-3/A-24 in the New Guinea. I said I put it in version 0.06b. Evidently, I lied. 0.06c has the file. I'm positive. Really. I think . . .

Thanks to Charlie Lamb for find the original ommission.

0.06
Bug Fixes
1. RAAF operation New Guinea, March 1942 no longer gives "error beep"
2. RAAF operation new Guinea, March 1942 uses correct ops file
3. Fixed 1st Air Fleet Fighter career not working (again)
4. Fixed US Marine SBD-3 not working over Guadalcanal
5. Added missing Operation Briefings for RAAF New Guinea 1942, and New Guinea 1943

Enhancements
1. Added RAAF Bomber career; Beaufighter 21 switched from Fighter to Bomber career (A-20G also flyable for RAAF bomber)
2. Added P-40M to RAAF New Guinea 1943
3. Replaced P-47D-22 with P-47D (boosted) in Japan operation
4. Removed A6M2-N from Wake 1942 operation
5. Coral Sea brought to True Pacific Standard
6. New Guinea July, 1942 operation lengthened and frontline movement tweaked
7. Updated Singapore Operation air order of battle
8. Ahistorical Palau operation removed from IJN/IJA careers;
9. Tarawa 1943 operation removed from IJN Float Fighter career, Japan 1945 operation added
10. Tweaked PacificPlanes.dat, and updated to include all applicalble 4.03m aircraft

Like with any mod, please back up your files before you install, and if you find any bugs/errors, please post them ASAP.

Enthor1
02-27-2006, 02:21 PM
Thanks.

Mr_Brot
02-27-2006, 02:46 PM
Am I correct there is no way of downloading this without registering to one of these two sites?

And does it work with non-english versions of PF? I´ve had trouble with other Dgen extensions which didn´t.

Nimits
02-27-2006, 05:34 PM
Sorry, Mr. Bot, English language only at the moment. And yes, both sites do require registration. However, both are free. More importantly (from my perspective), both sites allow me to quickly upload new or corrected files.

Nimits
02-27-2006, 05:49 PM
Quick update: get version 0.06b (links above). 0.06 was missing a file necessary for the SBD-3/A-24 New Guinea operation, which has be included in 0.06b.

Thanks to Charlie Lamb for catching that mistake.

sledgehammer2
02-27-2006, 05:55 PM
Nimits,

I have installed it successfully I think. I have a few questions if you don't mind...

First of all thanks for doing this. I am trying the USN Tarawa F6F campaign along with the IJA Ki 100 campaign in the Home Islands. In the USN campaign, on the way to the atoll I hear British voices in addition to Americans. Is this intended or just by coincidence? Certainly no big deal but I was curious.

Also, for the second mission we are supposed to go out and look for a downed pilot... for load-out it has us with 6 HVARs and a thousand pounder. Is that accurate or wouldn't the load-out for a mission like that just be ammo only?

That was one thing in the stock dgen I could never understand, in the carrier campaign missions it had you carrying bombs even if you were escorting bombers. If that is accurate then great, but I was just curious.

Please don't take these questions the wrong way... I am grateful that there is someone out there who cares about the PTO as much as I do and glad you did this. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

In the thread at Simhq i thought I saw you mention that in the Home Islands you were possibly changing some things because it had you flying the length of the islands to intercept bandits. I noticed in the first few missions this is still the case. Again, just curious. Thanks again for your work. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Nimits
02-27-2006, 06:47 PM
The short answer to most of your questions is that I have not gotten to those Operations yet. I am working through the Pacific war more or less chronologically. I've finished Coral Sea (in v0.06), will work on Midway and most of the remaining 1942 Guadalcanal and New Guinea operations, swing back to catch Singapore, then head through the remaining 1943-1945 operations. It unfortunately generally takes a weekend ot two worth of work to make a True Pacific operation, alot of that being involved in research, since I try to place ground units, ships, and planes as close to historcally correct as possible. If you want to True Pacific at its best, try some of the early 1942 USN/IJN carrier operations, or the first USAAF/RAAF New Guinea operation.


Originally posted by sledgehammer2: First of all thanks for doing this. I am trying the USN Tarawa F6F campaign along with the IJA Ki 100 campaign in the Home Islands. In the USN campaign, on the way to the atoll I hear British voices in addition to Americans. Is this intended or just by coincidence? Certainly no big deal but I was curious.

DGen has a habit of selecting British random flights for operations even when the OB does not list an RN or RAF units. This is a DGen quirk, not something I can affect directly, though I do try to minimize it happening in True Pacific operations.


Originally posted by sledgehammer2: Also, for the second mission we are supposed to go out and look for a downed pilot... for load-out it has us with 6 HVARs and a thousand pounder. Is that accurate or wouldn't the load-out for a mission like that just be ammo only?

No, that's not a typical loadout. In fact, the whole "Rescue downed pilot" mission is sort of atypical from a historical point of view. While American fighters did occasionally conduct searches for downed airmen in an emergency, standard practice in the USN generally left that job to destroyers, flyingboats, or submarines. A more common duty for American fighters, from late 1942 on, was "Dumbo" escort, covering the PBYs or OS2Us (or less often SBDs or TBFs) on a search for downed airmen. I have never heard of single engine IJN aircraft being involved in searching for Japanese downed airmen. Quite apart from other concerns, the IJN was doctrinally committed to the offensive at all times. Even using a carrier attack plane (B5N/B6N) to search for enemy carriers was considered a waste of time, much more so looking for a downed aircrew. The job was almost always left to a I-boat or destroyer, sometimes with a flyingboat or recon floatplane lending a hand if otherwise uninvolved. Whether IJN or IJA fighters ever flew cover/escort for such rescues I can't say for sure, but I don't think it was ever common practice.

In the early war operations I've modified so far, I have generally removed the rescue pilot mission as ahistorical. I have not done any serious work on the Tarawa operation, yet, though.


Originally posted by sledgehammer2: That was one thing in the stock dgen I could never understand, in the carrier campaign missions it had you carrying bombs even if you were escorting bombers. If that is accurate then great, but I was just curious.

Another quirk of DGen is that fighters, dive bombers, and torpedo bombers all use the same "carrier bomber" entry in Planes.dat. So to get the F6F to show up as a carrier-based fighter bomber in DGen missions, it becomes a bomber just like all the other bombers (hence missions of F6Fs escorting F6Fs). Secondly, when DGen builds an escort mission, it uses the carrier bomber loadout first rather than the carrier fighter one. Only if the carrier bomber loadout is removed for that fighter will it use the fighter loadout.

Historically, by late 1944, fighters on both sides had started carrying bombs and/or rockets on escort missions for flak supression, depending on the anticipated size and type of enemy opposition. For example, several Zeros were observed carrying bombs at Philippine Sea, and if I remember correctly, American fighter escorts carried bombs when escorting bombers against the Yamato off Okinawa in 1945. However, it's not accurate for 1941-1942 operations at all. Bomb-carrying escorts should not appear in any mission in True Pacific at or prior to Coral Sea.


Originally posted by sledgehammer2: Please don't take these questions the wrong way... I am grateful that there is someone out there who cares about the PTO as much as I do and glad you did this. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

No, I'm glad for feedback, negative as well as positive. It let's me know people are using the mod, and it helps me keep things on the right track. I'd rather hear about something stupid I've done now, in an early version, when its relatively easy to fix, then wait till all the operations are done and have to go back and change everything.


Originally posted by sledgehammer2: In the thread at Simhq i thought I saw you mention that in the Home Islands you were possibly changing some things because it had you flying the length of the islands to intercept bandits. I noticed in the first few missions this is still the case. Again, just curious. Thanks again for your work. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I have not had a chance to seriously look at it yet. If a fix is possible and historically justified (need to do more research), it will involve modifying the .mis and/or ops files. Since its the last operation chronologically, I probably will not get to it till we get nearer a the final version.

sledgehammer2
02-27-2006, 07:17 PM
Wow, great answers to my questions. Thanks. I now understand how you are doing this and I even more appreciate what an enormous task it is! I am deleting the late careers and will go back as you suggested and try some of the earlier ones so I can stay behind your line of advance so to speak.

So I guess you will be releasing new versions over the next several weeks until you get it finished?

Let me ask you this... what books are you reading to do your research? I probably already have a lot of them but I am always looking for more material on this subject. I have been doing a lot of reading on the ETO lately but as I may have said the PTO is my first love. I am always looking to build up my library.
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Nimits
02-27-2006, 07:55 PM
My main sources for Pearl Harbor:
At Dawn We Slept by Gordan W. Prange
December 7, 1941 by Gordan W. Prange
Osprey Essential Pearl Harbor http://www.essentialpearlharbor.com/

For Wake Island
The Defense of Wake by Lt. Col R.D. Heinl Jr. USMC http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USMC/USMC-M-Wake.html
"A Maginificent Fight" by Robert J. Cressman http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USMC/USMC-C-Wake.html

For Singapore/Sumtra
The Netherlands East Indies 1941-1942 http://www.geocities.com/dutcheastindies/
Bloody Shambles Vol. 1 by Christopher Shores

For the early war carrier operations:
The First Team by John Lundstrom
The First Team and the Guadalcanal Campaign by John Lundstrom
Miracle at Midway by Gordan W. Prange
Shattered Sword by Jonathan Parshall & Anthony Tully

For New Guinea and Guadalcanal:
Fire in the Sky by Eric Bergerud
Touched with Fire by Eric Bergerud
Victory in Papua by Samuel Milner http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USA/USA-P-Papua/index.html#contents
Papuan Campaign: The Buna-Sanananda Operation http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USA/USA-A-Papua/index.html#contents%5B
A War of Their Own by Capt Matthew K. Rodman, USAF
The Army Air Forces in World War II (Vols 1 and 4) by Wesley Craven and James Kate (eds)
P-39 Airacobra Aces of World War 2 by George Mellinger and John Stanaway

For post-1942 carrier operations:
The Essex Aircraft Carrier by Andrew Faltum
Wings of Gold by Gerald Astor
Clash of the Carriers by Barret Tillman

General Information
Aces Against Japan by Eric Hammel (ed.)
Aces Against Japan II by Eric Hammel (ed.)
Aces of the Rising Sun by Henry Sakaida
Nihon Kaigun http://www.combinedfleet.com/kaigun.htm
J-Aircraft http://www.j-aircraft.com/
The Order of Battle Page http://www.navweaps.com/index_oob/index_oob.htm
5th AAF Chronology http://www.kensmen.com/chronology.html
United States Army Air Forces in WWII http://www.armyairforces.com
The Jungle Air Force http://www.enter.net/~rocketeer/13thmain.html (http://www.enter.net/%7Erocketeer/13thmain.html)
Royal New Zealand Air Force http://www.nzetc.org/tm/scholarly/tei-WH2AirF.html
Air Force Combat Units in World War II http://libraryautomation.com/nymas/usaaf1.html
USAAF Combat Chronology http://paul.rutgers.edu/~mcgrew/wwii/usaf/html/ (http://paul.rutgers.edu/%7Emcgrew/wwii/usaf/html/)
United States Navy Destroyers of World War II by John Reilly
Aces at War by Eric Hammel (ed.)
Aces in Combat by Eric Hammel (ed.)
Flight Deck by Al Adcock
The American Fighter by Enzo Angelucci with Peter Bowers
Aircraft Carriers by Chris Bishop and Chris Chant (ed.)
The World Encyclopedia of Battleships by Peter Hore
A6M Zero in Action by Shigeru Nohara

sledgehammer2
02-28-2006, 03:16 AM
This gives me some great sources of new material. Thanks. Barrett Tillman has a new book on the Marianas Turkey Shoot called "Clash of the Carriers". Have you seen that one? I have read Astor's "Wing of Gold", as you probably know it has a large number of errors in it (mostly dealing with a/c nomenclature) but some great interviews.

sledgehammer2
02-28-2006, 04:16 AM
Nimits, a couple of other ideas for the post 1942 carrier ops... "Red Sun Setting" by William T. Y'Blood, and "History of USMC Aviation in WW2" by Robert Sherrod.

Also, "The Fast Carriers" by Clark Reynolds and "Crommelin's Thunderbirds" by Bruce and Leonard. And of course the Osprey books Hellcat Aces of WW2 and Corsair Aces of WW2.

Just some suggestions.

Sledgehammer2

SeaFireLIV
02-28-2006, 04:42 AM
I kinda liked searching for downed pilots. Added something different to the run-of-the-mill missions. Oh well. Perhaps then we could be escourts for rescue aircraft/boats?

Nimits
02-28-2006, 10:25 AM
Yeah, Astor has alot of technical errors when it comes to plane designations and other things; I mostly use him (along with the Hammel "Aces" books) to figure out what "typical" missions should look like, when building the Ops files. As long as you realize where the errors are, though, he can still be useful. I plan to expand my library, including Tillman's Philippine Sea book, before tackling the 1944-1945 campaigns. Bloody Shambles is also on my "to get" list for the Singapore campaign.

I still plan to leave rescue missions in some of the later operations, where they are more historically justifiable. I would like to give fighter pilots "dumbo escort" as well, but I'm not sure at this time if its possible in DGen.

sledgehammer2
02-28-2006, 06:51 PM
Nimits,

I started a Coral Sea IJN campaign. After the first mission it looks like the next mission is Midway. Is this correct? I was trying to stay in the early time frame since you haven't gotten past Coral Sea yet. As far as I know I haven't changed campaign length but how could I know for sure? I looked in the dgen folder and every other folder where I thought that setting was but I couldn't find it.

Nimits
02-28-2006, 08:20 PM
I looked at the .db, and its correct; you should get 3-5 missions out of Coral Sea, unless all your friendly carriers are sunk. You might check the campaign length (either look for a "campaignlength" entry in conf.ini (in the main Forgotten Battles folder) and delete it, or use Il-2 Stab to set campaigns to Very Long (default setting). I'm not sure if the campaign length option affects Pacific, but its worth a try (and shorter campaign length setting have been known to screw up European DGen campaigns as well).

antifreeze
03-01-2006, 09:29 AM
I downloaded True Pacific and DGen3043. Installed both. The first mission of any USN campaign is generated, but then I get a computer beep when I quit or refly. The next mission is blank. Any advice?

Thanks.

Nimits
03-01-2006, 03:40 PM
The USN careers run fine on my computer, and I did a quick double check of the download and did not notice any files missing. So I can't say for sure what's causing it.

Could you please please contents of the DGen error log (text from the last DGenError.log generated) along with exactly which career(s) and operation(s) you are encountering the error with. There are two USN careers, each with multiple operations, not all of which are directly affected by True Pacific, and I need more specific information to troubleshoot.

In the meantime, the standard suggestions:

Make sure you have version 0.06b of True Pacific.

Make sure you install True Pacific AFTER 4043/4045 DGen files.

harold x
03-02-2006, 08:03 AM
registered with combatace.com. how/where do i download latest path.

Nimits
03-02-2006, 06:01 PM
Go to Downloads, Forgotten Battles, Campaigns. It's near the top of the first page.

Nimits
03-03-2006, 05:21 PM
You know that file I left out of 0.06 and said I put in 0.06b, well, err, you might want to go ahead and get 0.06c . . .

Crash_Moses
03-03-2006, 06:17 PM
Just downloaded it. Awesome! I am now happily flying my SBD-3 over Midway...(sigh). Almost makes up for losing my broadband. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Any plans to add late war Marine PBJ operations? It's an idea I've toyed with but I haven't been able to find many references. The only really good one that I know of is my well worn, dog eared copy of "Leatherneck Bombers: Marine Corps B-25/PBJ Mitchell Squadrons in World War II" by Alan C. Carey.

Nimits
03-03-2006, 06:22 PM
I don't know that that PBJs flew much over the maps we have. If you know differently, please post info and/or reference material. I'm looking to wring as many operations as possible out of the maps we have.

I do plan to add a P-47/B-25 campaign in the Mariannas at some point.

sledgehammer2
03-03-2006, 06:51 PM
Nimits,

I downloaded 06c but since I already have the b file should I just delete that portion of it and extract the rest to the main FB folder?

Also, at what point are you in the time line?

Sledgehammer2

Crash_Moses
03-03-2006, 07:02 PM
Nope, you're right about that. VMB-612 spent some time in the Mariannas but I'm not sure how close they ever got to Guam. They also did some anti-shipping strikes in the Bonin Islands which includes Chichi Jima.

The only real option I think would be to simulate the types of missions flown(strafing, night operations, anti-shipping etc.)by substituting one of the other maps. But then you sacrifice historical accuracy...oh well. It was a thought.

But now my curiosity is piqued. I think I'm going to have to dig out my wall map of the PTO (now where did I put those push pins?)

Nimits
03-04-2006, 01:51 AM
Looked it up, and VB-612 didn't get to Saipan until November, 1944, and by that time the war had passed the islands by. The most historically accurate option would be airstart anti-shipping missions against Iwo Jima and Chichi Jima, but alot of players (myself included) aren't real fond of airstarts, so we'll see.

Sledgehammer2, 0.06c just adds that one file (classesUS1) that was mission from 0.06/0.06b. Everything else is identical.

I don't have a time line for the next version, or exactly what new stuff will be in it. It's sort of "we'll get there when we get there" at this point. Plus, after spending 4 straight weekends doing nothing but modding and testing DGen campaigns, I'm taking a little time off. It's easy to get burned out doing this stuff if you are not careful.

GerritJ9
03-04-2006, 02:25 AM
For more information on the air war over Malaya/Singapore, I recommend "Buffaloes over Singapore" and Hurricanes over Singapore". Also very highly recommended for more accurate information about the Dutch air operations is "De Luchtstrijd om Indi" by P.C. Boer. Unfortunately for most of you this work is in Dutch and has never been translated into English, though it does contain short summaries of each chapter in English and Bahasa Indonesia (as does its companion volume "De Luchtstrijd rond Borneo").

Nimits
03-04-2006, 10:06 AM
Thanks. Those are on my to get list now as well.

Just got my copy of the first volume of Bloddy Shambles; got to build up my library for the Singapore camapign.

GerritJ9
03-04-2006, 10:38 AM
Use both volumes of "Bloody Shambles" with some caution- I have discovered some glaring faults in both. For instance, Buffalo RD-B of 67 Sqn. in Burma is mentioned in the text of Vol. 1 as W8143, yet photos in the same book clearly show it as W8243.
Similarly, "Buffaloes over Singapore" mentions that Buffalo W8138 was shot down on a certain date- yet a few pages further it is miraculously being flown again! But for a general description of the campaigns, they are good reads.
I can also recommend "Singapore: The Pregnable Fortress" by Peter Elphick which gives a lot of information about the pre-war bungling by British authorities including Churchill.

Nimits
03-04-2006, 01:53 PM
Well, errors in aircraft numbers, etc, are not of major importance in doing research for DGen campaigns, since the charcteristics of DGen force one to look at a little bigger picture. Still, I'll keep a watch out for inconsistancies. But besides Bloody Shambles and the Buffaloes/Hurricanes, what else is their covering air ops over Malaya and Sumatra?

Crash_Moses
03-04-2006, 03:56 PM
Roger that. I don't like airstarts myself. No worries. I'm very happy in my little Dauntless at the moment...