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SeaFireLIV
10-05-2005, 07:09 PM
So is this sim any good? I bought it in it`s earlier version and just wondered what`s improved with it now? Any one know?

ColoradoBBQ
10-05-2005, 08:01 PM
Its much improved over the original F4 if you haven't installed any of the SP# patches. Its main advancement is the improved stability so there little fear of comming back from a memorable mission and the game crashes before you could save the ASCI tape http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif. There were many changes that makes it more realistic like starting up the jet, which is cool but you'll have to wait 25 minutes until you call for taxi but you can skip right to takeoff if you don't want to wait that long.

BuzzU
10-05-2005, 08:11 PM
It's got the longest learning curve you can imagine.

RAF92_Moser
10-05-2005, 08:23 PM
Actually, a little off topic here, but another really tough sim to learn is Orbiter 2005 by Martin Shweiger. Extreme learning curve also. Great simulator with the sound addon and Apollo and Geminin additions.

http://www.orbitersim.com

civildog
10-05-2005, 09:56 PM
As many have said about Falcon before it...it's a way of life, not a game.

I was playing with the previous versions of the SuperPatch from the FreeFalcon and the Unified Falcon Team. This is by far the most immersive and mind-boggling thing. The graphics are not up to the IL2 or BoB standard but they get the job done. You don't spend a lot of time looking at the planes anyway.

All the switches that were previously eye-candy in the cockpit now function.

The only downside is that the thing takes so much time to figure out that it's making me an even worse pilot than before in IL2. Between Falcon and Silent Hunter my skills are down to zip. When F.E.A.R. is out I'll be doomed.

Dew-Claw
10-05-2005, 09:56 PM
Originally posted by BuzzU:
It's got the longest learning curve you can imagine.

You got that right.
I've been playing it for about 3 weeks and I feel like I could steal an F-16 off the tarmac if given the chance http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif


If you have the resources take that PDF manual and have it printed and bound.
You wont regret it.

I have a friend who works for a major copy machine/Printer company.
I gave her a copy of the PDF and she took it to work and published it in book format for me.
It came to 3 Volumes nicely bound.
Would cost you maybe $15-$20 if you have to pay for it.

It makes a big difference having the manual right in front of you.
Switching back to windows to look something up on the PDF can cause a crash when you switch back, and that can really piss you off if your an hour and a half into a mission.


The game is great if you want realism.
The graphics could be better in spots, but you really feel like you accomplished something especially with all options turned on and the AI set to veteran.

The game is pretty stable, I love the dynamic campaign...the war rages non-stop in real time even when your not flying missions.
Reminds me of a persistant server when playing off-line.
My understanding is that the multiplayer campaigns play the same way...
havn't tried multiplay yet, I don't feel confident enough with my skills yet.
That bird is a handfull.
Information overload big-time.

Get it, its worth the money.

SeaFireLIV
10-06-2005, 01:00 AM
I did have the original. Thnx for the small reviews, sounds good but intensive. I`m wondering if I can afford the time? I haven`t tried a modern jet sim in years.

269GA-Veltro
10-06-2005, 01:49 AM
Not bad, first of all for the online game.
Would be better if we could have the "enemy" flyable...the Mig 29.

B16Enk
10-06-2005, 02:51 AM
Like BuzzU said, massive curve.

Biggest problem for me is finding time to fit it in, with IL2 and BoB eating into my sparse free time I'm still in the learning to handle it stage.

As posted above getting the manual in hardcopy is nigh on a must, I too got it printed and have found it a good read. Guy who printed it for me (some nice people working for Xerox http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif) is going to buy a copy for himself http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

There is a pit trainer available, and a further trainer for the start-up sequence which I mangaged to trawl down - if any one wants a copy let me know http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Graphically you can tell it's based on an old engine, but it runs well perhaps because of it.

For the money I think it is good value.

Lucius_Esox
10-06-2005, 04:52 AM
I've still got the original's games manual somewhere. In it someone describes how if you get to "grips" with just the radar alone you would be able to have a "sensible" conversation with a real F16 jock.... man

It is a "real" sim, and I'm talking about the first game here. If they have made this one even more real then,,, well..

If anybody aspires to playing a real sim this is essential imo. Avionics wise it really is as close as it gets at the moment, including FS2004..

MEGILE
10-06-2005, 05:39 AM
I was asked the same question on Hyperlobby lastnight and in reply I gave them this (http://gamers-review.co.uk/files/f16.wmv)...
A short clip of me using LGBs in the F-16C52 CCIP.

Falcon is good, the graphics suck. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
I own both F4:AF and LOMAC, and I fly and enjoy them both.

Dew-Claw
10-06-2005, 06:31 AM
Cool clip.

I usually try and recon and plan my targets before climbing in the office.
Then while I'm on the tarmac waiting on the HUD to align and the alt sensor to warm up, I try and get my pickle settings preset on all my A-G weapons.
That way I can concentrate on my ingress and egress and only have to worry about getting that all important lock.
VAC comes in real handy in that game...especially for coms.
There are about 25 screens of comm presets.
depending on the order you want to give , you can find yourself fumbling thru 6 or 7 pages to get to the one you need.


BTW Moser is right
Orbiter (http://www.orbitersim.com/) is on heck of a sim....and its free can you believe it?

sgilewicz
10-06-2005, 02:57 PM
Dew-Claw do you have a VAC profile for Falcon AF coms you can post at the VAC site? I've been in touch with Shift_E regarding importing the key strokes and commands but his import routine can't handle the format of the comms keystrokes. I'm sure he will be pleased to see your profile http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif (as would I!). Thanks.

Dew-Claw
10-07-2005, 10:45 AM
I'm still working on get it put together.
for the most part I have them working, but OCA and Fac commands can be difficult due to the fact they rnt always available, or are on different menue screens for different flights.

As soon as its locked down I'll export a copy to him.

So far I have....maybe 8 or nine hours of work in it, and have a pretty functional profile.

wayno7777
10-07-2005, 10:49 AM
Still blasing IL-28's in the original....

wayno7777
10-07-2005, 10:49 AM
Originally posted by wayno7777:
Still blasting IL-28's in the original....

sgilewicz
10-07-2005, 11:00 AM
Dew-Claw that's great news! I'm sure the F4AF community will be most grateful for your efforts http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. Good luck!