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limeyhenry
12-29-2003, 06:32 PM
I got my son a copy of IL2 Forgotten Battles for Christmas as someone recommended this as being better than the Playstation Game Secret Weapons over Normandy.

He is 11 and having a hard time getting into the game. There are the "Traning missions" that seem to be all instruction and no practice and they end with the admonition "Not to go on a mission without first practicing the manouvres". But we can't find out how to how that, the only way to get control of the aircraft seem to be, indeed to go on a mission. That results in very soon getting lost and spending a huge amount of time aimlessly flying around until either out of fuel or pounced on and imediately shot out the the skies when the enemy finds us.

There has to be a way to get started, what is it please?

thanks
Limey

limeyhenry
12-29-2003, 06:32 PM
I got my son a copy of IL2 Forgotten Battles for Christmas as someone recommended this as being better than the Playstation Game Secret Weapons over Normandy.

He is 11 and having a hard time getting into the game. There are the "Traning missions" that seem to be all instruction and no practice and they end with the admonition "Not to go on a mission without first practicing the manouvres". But we can't find out how to how that, the only way to get control of the aircraft seem to be, indeed to go on a mission. That results in very soon getting lost and spending a huge amount of time aimlessly flying around until either out of fuel or pounced on and imediately shot out the the skies when the enemy finds us.

There has to be a way to get started, what is it please?

thanks
Limey

AJRobson
12-29-2003, 06:57 PM
The training missions are boring... though they are helpful for learing to take off, land and bomb.

Just start with the QMB... Quick Mission Builder. You can pick your plane plus the enemy planes.

For starters, set the enemy to one bomber... without guns! Put the settings to "easy"... click "ctrl" F1 to remove the cockpit making it easier to see.

With such a mission you don't even have to take off.

If you have a second PC that will play the game, network them together and then play with him over a LAN. I do this with my son all the time.

As (both of you) become better pilots, increase the difficulty settings.

The training missions are boring.

Good luck and welcome to the forum.

olaleier
12-29-2003, 07:00 PM
I'm trying to get my 7 year old brother hooked on flight sims...switch off all the Stalls, Spins, Torque etc in difficulty in play around in the Quick Mission Builder...practice shooting at convoys or enemy bombers without guns.

Once you've got the hang of the aerial bit, try landing! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

steve_v
12-29-2003, 07:08 PM
two excellent starters

IL2 Gunnery Training By Leonard Hjalmarson
http://www.mudmovers.com/Sims/IL2/il2_tracks.htm

WWSensei's Training Films
Training Pack 1 Training Pack 2 Training Pack 3
http://www.wingwalkers.org/wwvtfw/ii-ww/training.htm

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limeyhenry
12-29-2003, 08:50 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by AJRobson:
The training missions are boring... though they .....
Good luck and welcome to the forum.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks for the good suggestions.
I don't have a problem with buying two copies of the game to network two machines, but will it run on my home LAN with the one copy while I'm waiting for delivery. I recall the Command and Conquer since it came with two CDs you could have one in each machine for LAN usage and run two machines (but not more) off one copy of the game product. Does it work like that?

thanks,
sorry to be such a naieve newbie.

XyZspineZyX
12-29-2003, 09:00 PM
Welcome!

Besides the links you've been given, also go to:

http://www.mudmovers.com/Sims/FB/il2_fb.htm

for lots of info, training missions and tech help.

Just ask here and we'll be glad to assist.

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XyZspineZyX
12-29-2003, 09:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I recall the Command and Conquer since it came with two CDs you could have one in each machine for LAN usage and run two machines (but not more) off one copy of the game product. Does it work like that?

thanks,
sorry to be such a naieve newbie.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't do LAN so I'm not sure but I don't think so.

And don't worry about being a "newbie". We all started out that way.

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DONB3397
12-29-2003, 10:03 PM
Good question. I got my nephew (age 10) started by going to QMB, simplifying the "Difficulty" settings by eliminating stall, spins and other unpleasant surprises. Then set him up against a slower competitor with "rookie" rating and watched him succeed several times. I had to send him to bed before I got back on the computer. Kids react to action and success, I think. More success, more interest.

BTW, my nephew started by telling me he wasn't very interested in "old" airplanes (with props).

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Bearcat99
12-29-2003, 10:16 PM
I now use FB as a punishment tool for my 6 year old son who loves it. "If you do that ONE MORE TIME I wont let you fly!!!" LOL...it helps... he loves it. He likes to fly the bombers. He launches the sim and sets up the QM himself. He even knows not to delete dad's pilot...LMAO.. from experience..and to put the settings back to the way I like it when he is done.

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olaleier
12-29-2003, 10:38 PM
I believe in that success thing. I have such a good time learning new sims (Falcon 4!), figuring out all the stuff, not flying a real mission for weeks!

That attention span only comes from sim-geeks, not from action hungry simlings! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Using the knowledge of the sim, what targets are easy to shoot at etc, makes setting up a nice mission for my little brother quite easy, he's even strafing tanks and stuff.

It's my part of my little brothers childhood...keep him out of gangs and trouble, stick with the flight sims! Too bad he won't get any girlfriends though... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Friendly_flyer
12-29-2003, 11:35 PM
Hi Limey!

As far as I know, you can rund the game from eighter of the two discs. There is also a "no-disc" patch availible, but I haven't tried it for myself.

Fly friendly!

Petter Bøckman
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AirBot
12-30-2003, 06:13 AM
First of all, welcome limeyhenry & sons http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif to this great sim. Hope your son gets into it.
Haven't tried it myself, but as Friendly_flyer suggested the sim might work with either of the two CDs in the drive. If that is the case you could just install the game on both PCs, and place one of the game CDs in each.
Even mentioning No-CD cracks around here is bound to get you in trouble with the mods though, so I suggest this part of the discussion is left out, or is left to email.

aGunfighter
12-30-2003, 07:08 AM
The QMB is a good way to practice flying and fighting. As long as you start out at low rank in a campaign you pretty much just have to follow your guys around. You can hit auto-pilot and speed up the time 2x,4x also to minimize the boring aspects.Landing is the toughest thing to learn and was the most frustrating for me--I did not bother until I started flying online about 4 months after I got the orig. IL2, then I had more of an incentive to land to get the points.Track playing is one of the coolest features of this sim, its good for learning and entertainment.

WUAF_Badsight
12-30-2003, 08:47 AM
to run FB without the CD requires you to crack it

you can get it here ~~~&gt; wwwIBTL.com



BTW ... sorry Tully but i cant resist this one

Extreme_One
12-30-2003, 09:10 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WUAF_Badsight:
to run FB without the CD requires you to crack it

you can get it here ~~~&gt; wwwIBTL.com



BTW ... sorry Tully but i cant resist this one<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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commie1
12-30-2003, 10:03 AM
I use that thing you speak of.

It's teh b0mb.

You can put the spinning thing away in it's container and never need to use it again.

Which is nice.

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limeyhenry
12-30-2003, 11:18 AM
Yes indeed. It's too bad that the game companies haven't figured that out and made it the default condition for newbies. Or at least very easy to access (one nice prominent button that creates a learner's optimal setup).

I guess it's because the game designers all have TPD ("The Programmers' Disease" - a belief that the solution to every problem is more complex software)

Thanks again

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by olaleier:
I believe in that success thing. I have such a good time learning new sims (Falcon 4!), figuring out all the stuff, not flying a real mission for weeks!

That attention span only comes from sim-geeks, not from action hungry simlings! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Using the knowledge of the sim, what targets are easy to shoot at etc, makes setting up a nice mission for my little brother quite easy, he's even strafing tanks and stuff.

It's my part of my little brothers childhood...keep him out of gangs and trouble, stick with the flight sims! Too bad he won't get any girlfriends though... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

AJRobson
12-30-2003, 11:29 AM
If you are playing over a LAN in the same house, there is no needs for two sets of CD's. Just start the game in one PC and once it starts, you can take out the CD to start the game in the other PC.

This can be a bit annoying if you have some tech issues to clear up,(like be sure the joysticks are connected before starting the game or the game won't see them) but it works.

AJRobson
12-30-2003, 11:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WUAF_Badsight:
to run FB without the CD requires you to crack it

you can get it here ~~~&gt; wwwIBTL.com


<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That link doesn't work. Even with another "." in the correct place.

WUAF_Badsight
12-30-2003, 01:31 PM
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steve_v
12-30-2003, 02:33 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>sorry but if you want a link for the crack just ask<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Discussion of no cd cracks, disk imaging, etc is not allowed per forum guidelines.

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TX-Zen
12-30-2003, 02:37 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bearcat99:
I now use FB as a punishment tool for my 6 year old son who loves it. "If you do that ONE MORE TIME I wont let you fly!!!" LOL...it helps... he loves it. He likes to fly the bombers. He launches the sim and sets up the QM himself. He even knows not to delete dad's pilot...LMAO.. from experience..and to put the settings back to the way I like it when he is done.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Now that is very cool, I am teaching my own son to do the same http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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WUAF_Badsight
12-30-2003, 04:03 PM
i was kidding around

seriously dont talk about cracking games here plz

Juego
12-30-2003, 04:06 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by steve_v:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>sorry but if you want a link for the crack just ask<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Discussion of no cd cracks, disk imaging, etc is not allowed per forum guidelines.

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Tully__
12-30-2003, 09:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by AJRobson:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WUAF_Badsight:
to run FB without the CD requires you to crack it

you can get it here ~~~&gt; wwwIBTL.com


<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That link doesn't work. Even with another "." in the correct place.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The link is a fake, Badsight is moderator baiting. What he doesn't realise is how easy it is to accidentally ban someone here, or even delete their account entirely.... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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WUAF_Badsight
12-30-2003, 11:40 PM
hmmm ... ok , cc