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XyZspineZyX
08-21-2003, 11:53 AM
HI, all.

i got a bit annoyed by all that fuming thats been going on since the patch came out.
people keep talking about so-called überplanes, planes that dont seem to be affected by newtons basic principles (FW190), saying they do flip-flops and so on. i dont think the würger is overmodelled, it has now taken her place as a feared plane...
i read a thread about a guy who shot down 1223345 focke wulfs playing offline and did not manage to do it at all while flying online. and got pi...ed... ridiculous.
yes sir, welcome to the real world! people are not as dumb as the AI, you should never judge a planes capabilities based on its offline performance. believe me it is totally nonsense.

i down four ace LA7s in an me109e4 (1940), now after the patch.
Full real, except icons. does it mean the E4 is overmodelled? no it means that i am more clever than the machine. thats it. if i was to fight against four lavochkins real time, against real pilots, i would have no doubt that in a matter a nil seconds i would go down in flames.... so i say that judging from offline experience is absulutely crap.

the same thing applies for the arcade and FR servers. try to fight with somebody who flies in fr only. he will be dead meat in an arcade server. but, on the other hand, if an arcade guy finds himself in a full real room, he is not more than a sitting duck....

so, i say the patch now is the coolest!

i have some hunreds of hours logged in single engine planes. roll-rate of the FW is not soo much, it might be a bit slower....

plébános



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XyZspineZyX
08-21-2003, 11:53 AM
HI, all.

i got a bit annoyed by all that fuming thats been going on since the patch came out.
people keep talking about so-called überplanes, planes that dont seem to be affected by newtons basic principles (FW190), saying they do flip-flops and so on. i dont think the würger is overmodelled, it has now taken her place as a feared plane...
i read a thread about a guy who shot down 1223345 focke wulfs playing offline and did not manage to do it at all while flying online. and got pi...ed... ridiculous.
yes sir, welcome to the real world! people are not as dumb as the AI, you should never judge a planes capabilities based on its offline performance. believe me it is totally nonsense.

i down four ace LA7s in an me109e4 (1940), now after the patch.
Full real, except icons. does it mean the E4 is overmodelled? no it means that i am more clever than the machine. thats it. if i was to fight against four lavochkins real time, against real pilots, i would have no doubt that in a matter a nil seconds i would go down in flames.... so i say that judging from offline experience is absulutely crap.

the same thing applies for the arcade and FR servers. try to fight with somebody who flies in fr only. he will be dead meat in an arcade server. but, on the other hand, if an arcade guy finds himself in a full real room, he is not more than a sitting duck....

so, i say the patch now is the coolest!

i have some hunreds of hours logged in single engine planes. roll-rate of the FW is not soo much, it might be a bit slower....

plébános



"Der ganze Revierkreis muss total schwarz sein"

Erich Hartmann

"Der ganze Revierkreis muss total schwarz sein"

Erich Hartmann

Zayets
08-21-2003, 11:58 AM
Hehehehe , true. I find much more annoying the AI , online is better against humans , though my scoreboard is not that impressive.

Zayets out

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XyZspineZyX
08-21-2003, 02:11 PM
You bring up a good point. How much of a factor should settings play in determining the performance characteristics of any givren plane in FB. If you are dogfighting with no cockpit and icons you would attempt to make maneuvers that you wouldnt neccessarilly make with cockpit on and no icons, all settings real. Perhaps in determining the performance of planes we should set the realism settings to as close to actual conditions as possible and then do it.....

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XyZspineZyX
08-21-2003, 03:31 PM
Nice post... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

I think 1.1b's FM is a huge improvement over the one in FB1.0. I'm crossing my fingers that the final patch solves the remaining few minor issues without porking the others.

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XyZspineZyX
08-21-2003, 04:17 PM
Daffinetion:

Minor flight model issue: One that affects an aircraft other than the one you fly.

Major flight model issue: One that affects an aircraft you do fly.

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XyZspineZyX
08-21-2003, 04:34 PM
It's not only the roll rate, Fennec posted a video where he made a 90 degree tail stand in less then 2 seconds while going 850 km/h IAS in a FW190.

As for the roll rate, it doesn't degrade with heavy gun pods or bombs attached either.

Basicly the high speed handeling is overmodelled now in 1.1b.

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