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SpartanHoplite
02-07-2005, 04:17 PM
I'm currently reading Osprey's "Rumanian Aces of World War 2" (although a few Romanians I know insist on "Romanian", as opposed to the other variations, but I digress), which brought to my mind something that rattles around in there occasionally - the idea of Red/Allied Romanian and Finn campaigns.

Is there anything in DGEN restricting having Romanian and Finnish (and Slovak too, I suppose) campaigns on the "Red" side, and especially in the same DGEN pilot career? From my scant knowledge on the subject, a Finnish campaign might not be possible, as I believe the Finnish confrontation with the Germans was in the north and so the Leningrad map wouldn't work (although maybe that will change with the Murmansk map?).

But purhaps a Romanian campaign would be possible, on the Hungarian map in 1945? Anyway, I'd appreciate any comments on the subject. I know I personally would love it - I really enjoy playing the lesser known (as least from my perspective) campaigns - Finns, Romanians, Hungarians, Slovak, Normandie Niemen, etc, and I'd really love a chance for some BF-109 vs BF-109 battles!

Thought, comments, etc? Thanks!

SH

SpartanHoplite
02-07-2005, 04:17 PM
I'm currently reading Osprey's "Rumanian Aces of World War 2" (although a few Romanians I know insist on "Romanian", as opposed to the other variations, but I digress), which brought to my mind something that rattles around in there occasionally - the idea of Red/Allied Romanian and Finn campaigns.

Is there anything in DGEN restricting having Romanian and Finnish (and Slovak too, I suppose) campaigns on the "Red" side, and especially in the same DGEN pilot career? From my scant knowledge on the subject, a Finnish campaign might not be possible, as I believe the Finnish confrontation with the Germans was in the north and so the Leningrad map wouldn't work (although maybe that will change with the Murmansk map?).

But purhaps a Romanian campaign would be possible, on the Hungarian map in 1945? Anyway, I'd appreciate any comments on the subject. I know I personally would love it - I really enjoy playing the lesser known (as least from my perspective) campaigns - Finns, Romanians, Hungarians, Slovak, Normandie Niemen, etc, and I'd really love a chance for some BF-109 vs BF-109 battles!

Thought, comments, etc? Thanks!

SH

LStarosta
02-07-2005, 04:20 PM
Sounds like a neat idea...

Tooz_69GIAP
02-07-2005, 04:23 PM
One of the better 3rd party utillities for FB/PF is Paul Lowengrins Dynamic Campaign Generator which can allow you to conduct a campaign with any side in the war that the game caters for. You set up the campaign according to your own parameters, and off you go!!

http://www.lowengrin.com

Von_Zero
02-07-2005, 04:34 PM
im' not sure if any romanian unit (air or ground) fought in the Balaton area. The main effort (after the liberation of Transylvanya), was directed towards Budapes in support of the soviet ground units, and step by step reaching Slovakia. So, a romanian campaign for the alied side is kinda' imposible since we lack propper maps and markings.
btw, Rumania is the old variation, at the moment Romania would be a logical choice , since the name of the country is "România", but both forms are accepted and used.

SpartanHoplite
02-07-2005, 04:53 PM
Thanks for the history, Von_Zero. Very interesting!

Of course, new markings would be part of a modified DGEN campaign, but you've shown that the map issue is, once again, killer. ****.

Thanks for the suggestion re: Lowengrin, Tooz_69GIAP, but I haven't had success trying to run that, so I'm shying away from it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Well, then... Since suggesting new maps of Romania/Hungary/Odessa and the like is out of the question... How about someone sets up proper Romanian pilot faces in the DGEN campaign? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Although it makes almost no difference, for some reason looking at that cloned face it is a real immersion killer for me, when almost everyone else gets proper pilot faces.

And, I'll hold out hope that the Murmansk map will all the possibility of a "Red" Finnish campaign... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

SH

Atomic_Marten
02-07-2005, 06:02 PM
It would be difficult to implement in game but very good idea, considering the fact many occupied European countries had two air forces (one on axis side and one on allied).

But the game makes difference only between red and blue a/c, and one type cannot be in two categories AFAIK.(anyone remember Go229 problem? It was incorrectly in red group http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif).

SpartanHoplite
02-07-2005, 09:27 PM
What? Red and Blue can't have the same planes? Well, h#ll! It's almost like there is a conspiracy against this idea, or something! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif