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Gbucket
03-18-2005, 07:55 AM
We have some brand new screenshots of Pacific Fighters showing the ground objects to be expecting in the free add-on (which is coming very soon)!

You can view these objects over on the Dev. Updates page (http://www.pacific-fighters.com/en/screenshots.php).

http://www.pacific-fighters.com/ss/ground_object_001_s.jpg (http://www.pacific-fighters.com/en/screenshots.php)
http://www.pacific-fighters.com/ss/ground_object_004_s.jpg (http://www.pacific-fighters.com/en/screenshots.php)

Gbucket
03-18-2005, 07:55 AM
We have some brand new screenshots of Pacific Fighters showing the ground objects to be expecting in the free add-on (which is coming very soon)!

You can view these objects over on the Dev. Updates page (http://www.pacific-fighters.com/en/screenshots.php).

http://www.pacific-fighters.com/ss/ground_object_001_s.jpg (http://www.pacific-fighters.com/en/screenshots.php)
http://www.pacific-fighters.com/ss/ground_object_004_s.jpg (http://www.pacific-fighters.com/en/screenshots.php)

Dunkelgrun
03-18-2005, 08:02 AM
Good Grief!!!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif The V2!!!
Try shooting that down http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

Cheers!

Philipscdrw
03-18-2005, 08:12 AM
Aaah! Updates!

I mean, hey thanks! Cool!

buz13
03-18-2005, 08:13 AM
Very cool......and totally unexpected...V2 and that short fat gun.........of course we also have those strange words "very soon" floating there....usually in a galaxy far far away.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Tooz_69GIAP
03-18-2005, 08:13 AM
tanks, tanks, and more ta.....er.....bulldozers!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

BTW, when the V2 was being modelled, teh modeller informed the netwings folks that it would be a static object only, i.e. it would not launch. Is that still the case?

Philipscdrw
03-18-2005, 08:13 AM
If only we could skin ground vehicles - then the bus could have the livery of the local bus company, and I could extract revenge for making me wait an hour in the rain with my shopping last autumn...

Dunkelgrun
03-18-2005, 08:17 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Philipscdrw:
If only we could skin ground vehicles - then the bus could have the livery of the local bus company, and I could extract revenge for making me wait an hour in the rain with my shopping last autumn... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That would be no good for me, I'd be flying about aimlessly for hours!!! The bugger didn't turn up at all last time I waited for one. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

Cheers!

mauld
03-18-2005, 08:18 AM
A bus, just what i was waiting on for my "Were Eagles Dare" mission, if we could only put the bulldozer shovel on the front.

darkhorizon11
03-18-2005, 08:40 AM
The V2 would be a waste of code if it was "active" like the V1. It would run down FPS and would be useless simply because theres nothing that even come remotely close to catching it. I believe its speeds were somewhere in the vicinity of 3000mph and climbed up to about 100,000 feet. Which doesn't make sense either because altitudes above 12000 meters or like 43000 feet, its just unecessary. I'd trade that in for a cockpit for another plane.

Waldo.Pepper
03-18-2005, 08:43 AM
Sorry I'm late. I was hoping to catch a plane.

But I had to take the bus.

Vote_Quimby
03-18-2005, 08:53 AM
This update is for BOB I'm assuming?

Gbucket
03-18-2005, 08:59 AM
No, Pacific Fighters' free add-on.

triggerhappyfin
03-18-2005, 09:01 AM
cAN´T SEE THEM FLAMIN PICTURES!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

Why?? Ideas??

Capt._Tenneal
03-18-2005, 09:03 AM
Is that THING the Thor mortar ? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

WOLFMondo
03-18-2005, 09:04 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by UbiRazz:
We have some brand new screenshots of Pacific Fighters showing the ground objects to be expecting in the free add-on (which is coming very soon)!
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Good news I guess. Should how ever change 2 weeks to 5 monthshttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

CKY_86
03-18-2005, 09:11 AM
thank you for another fsantastic update

that massive morter should be intresting lol

FRAGAL
03-18-2005, 09:13 AM
OMG!!! Railway Guns !!!!woot!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

ddsflyer
03-18-2005, 09:21 AM
B.F.D. Where's the patch?

DRB_Hookech0
03-18-2005, 09:30 AM
I love it, right under the "Pacific Fighters" header banner with a corsair comes Dev shots of ground object that.....have absolutly nothing to do with the "Pacific" part of "Pacific Fighters"...and people wonder why all the PF standalone players are completly disugsted....

JFC_danger
03-18-2005, 09:48 AM
hmmmmmmmmmm

rockets??????
bus???????
german heavy artillery??????

why are we getting something that we should not have?????????????

instead of rockets,(which where not in the pacific) cant we have static parked planes on a static carrier or something?
S!~

Capt._Tenneal
03-18-2005, 09:50 AM
Aren't some of the new armor Japanese tanks ? And that bus is so generic they could be roaming the streets of Singapore, Manila, or Shanghai just as much as London, Berlin, or Paris.

JG53Frankyboy
03-18-2005, 10:08 AM
none of the tanks are japanese.
well, the only realy pacific objekt is the "seabee" caterpillar (&lt;- hope i got it wright).

and i realy understand the disapointment of the pacific players.
still i love the most obejcts http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
some nice stuff for building missions - but not for pacific campaign ones http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

JG53Frankyboy
03-18-2005, 10:11 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JFC_danger:
hmmmmmmmmmm

rockets??????
bus???????
german heavy artillery??????

why are we getting something that we should not have?????????????

instead of rockets,(which where not in the pacific) cant we have static parked planes on a static carrier or something?
S!~ <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

well , there is a "trick" to get planes on a carrier in coop ore single player missions (set the flight to start waypoint, but no ammo,no fuel- they will stay on the carrier) - but yes, not possible in dogfight maps (and the F4 button doesnt work with static planes http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif )

SaQSoN
03-18-2005, 10:26 AM
There are 2 Japanese guns among this objects. The bus and the buldozer were initially made for PF as well, but did not make it in the release.
All other objects are USER MADE and were not considered by the developers. They simply inserted in the game models, made by FB/PF enthusiasts.
It is not developer's fault, that 3rd party modellers don't have interest in the Japanese vehicles.

Platypus_1.JaVA
03-18-2005, 10:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JFC_danger:
hmmmmmmmmmm

rockets??????
bus???????
german heavy artillery??????

why are we getting something that we should not have?????????????

instead of rockets,(which where not in the pacific) cant we have static parked planes on a static carrier or something?
S!~ <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Because this sim is soooooo much more then PF alone...

Sharkey888
03-18-2005, 10:43 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Platypus_1.JaVA:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JFC_danger:
hmmmmmmmmmm

rockets??????
bus???????
german heavy artillery??????

why are we getting something that we should not have?????????????

instead of rockets,(which where not in the pacific) cant we have static parked planes on a static carrier or something?
S!~ <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

<span class="ev_code_RED">Because this sim is soooooo much more then PF alone...</span> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

We are in the PF forum aren't we?! A game which was sold as a standalone and not an addon!!

MatoKKK
03-18-2005, 10:50 AM
As Saqson said. Those are third party models. Maddox team only put them into the patch. That's all.

I am the modeller of both V-2s, T-26, Lt-35, Lt-38, Lt-40 and Tatra armour car you can see on those development update screenshots.

If you don't like them, your problem, you ignorants. It's not about Pacific only if you have not noticed. You will get your Pacific planes too. TODAYS DEVELOPMENT UPDATE WAS DEDICATED TO GROUND OBJECTS ONLY, IF YOU DON'T MIND. So just be quiet, will ya? Be happy, some of us take the free time and do something for the game for free. BTW,those models were in works before PF was even announced.

AND THERE'S NO THREAD ABOUT THE NEW DEVELOPMENT UPDATE in General Room or ORR.

DRB_Hookech0
03-18-2005, 10:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Platypus_1.JaVA:
Because this sim is soooooo much more then PF alone... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, frankly it is. Not everyone bought PF to stage Corsair vs. 190 matchups. I sure as hell didnt. Just as some of you say "I dont care about the PTO" well same goes for us PF guys also, ETO?...been there done that...I even have the coffee mug. If it would have been sold and marketed for what it is, a small addon for FP+AEP then I would have no gripes, but when it is sold and marketed as a "Standalone" game that oh BTW, 1c made possable to merge with FP+AEP if you care to, the complete lack of content is un-acceptable. What galls me and a lot of PF standalone players is the atitude of the "Just Merge the install" crowd. So let me get this stright.....I need to go out and pick up 50$ worth of games that will add NOTHING to the content missing from the PF box cd? This is logical?

All I have asked for is maps so I can actually portray the Air War in the Pacific and some semblence of ships that look like those of the IJN and USN sides. Sorry but Brit battlewagons dont cut it.

Capt._Tenneal
03-18-2005, 10:58 AM
A game which was sold as a standalone

Ahem correction : sold as standalone OR merged with FB+AEP . It's right there on the opening screen as install options. It's not anyones's fault that more people chose to add it to FB+AEP than install it as standalone. That's freedom of choice. As Saqson said, it's also not anyone's fault that 3rd party guys chose to make more European oriented objects than Pacific ones. That's their choice too.

I'm a fan of PF too, but I can acknowledge reality at least. If we want to see more PF objects or maps, it seems we have to model it and submit it ourselves to Oleg. But since we're content to just wait for them to be made by others, and others choose not to, then....

MatoKKK
03-18-2005, 10:58 AM
OK, FOR ALL MORONS THAT EVER COME HERE:

THOSE MODELS U SEE ARE E.X.T.R.A. OR B.O.N.U.S. ONES. YOU WILL GET ALL YOUR PACIFIC THINGIES TOO. UNDERSTAND? OR DO I NEED TO SPEAK JAPANESE TO YOU?

flyingscampi
03-18-2005, 11:04 AM
HEY I ORDERED A CHEESEBURGER!

Capt._Tenneal
03-18-2005, 11:08 AM
Stop it. It's around 1:00 PM here where I am and you're making me hungry ! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Saunders1953
03-18-2005, 11:21 AM
MatoKKK:

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

Beirut
03-18-2005, 11:23 AM
Those are some excellent add-on ground objects. I'll be spending hours building V2 sites just to blow them up right after.

And the whiners who b1tch and moan about the lack of perfection in this entire situation are out to lunch. We have the grand enchilada of WWII flight sims and the people who built it continue to put out patch after patch, showing great care for their product and customers. And they give us more and more and more free stuff for no other reason than we want it. They already have my money but they keep giving me new stuff anyway.

Go ahead and moan about whatever you want, you uber-whiners, but you show a spoiled brat attitude better befitting a five year old.

Me? I'm saying thanks for all the new free toys. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

JG53Frankyboy
03-18-2005, 11:25 AM
Tempest and SpitMkVc pictures

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=1971073492

sapper78
03-18-2005, 11:34 AM
Tally ho chaps!

I was just wondering... the new patch brings us new ground objects and a new flight model, i heard, but.... Will there be any new planes??

I´ve been waiting for that mosquito for months http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

Qbeesh800
03-18-2005, 12:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by darkhorizon11:
The V2 would be a waste of code if it was "active" like the V1. It would run down FPS and would be useless simply because theres nothing that even come remotely close to catching it. I believe its speeds were somewhere in the vicinity of 3000mph and climbed up to about 100,000 feet. Which doesn't make sense either because altitudes above 12000 meters or like 43000 feet, its just unecessary. I'd trade that in for a cockpit for another plane. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You're right. They should make b-29 and Avenger flyable, instead of useless v2

DRB_Hookech0
03-18-2005, 12:24 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MatoKKK:
OK, FOR ALL MORONS THAT EVER COME HERE:

THOSE MODELS U SEE ARE E.X.T.R.A. OR B.O.N.U.S. ONES. YOU WILL GET ALL YOUR PACIFIC THINGIES TOO. UNDERSTAND? OR DO I NEED TO SPEAK JAPANESE TO YOU? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Really?....can I quote you on that? because other than the Betty cockpit I cant see a lot of stuff for the PF crowd to jump and down about.

I am not sitting here trying to say that what shown is not worthy of being added, they are fine tanks and stuff (that 3 turret beast reminds me of my Squad Leader boardgame days). I'm sure they are a cast iron ***** to do. The only 3D work I do is framing connections in steel buildings (I'm a draftsman by profession) so I imagine it's hard work. But as a PF guy, this Sim is really falling short or even meger expectations and serious doubt is lurking in the minds of us PF people about the prospects of the BOB

sokil
03-18-2005, 12:42 PM
People with binoculars!

Beirut
03-18-2005, 12:46 PM
Well I for one am dee-lighted with the new stuff and thankful that it's being given to us for free.

And why some people find the need to whine is completely beyond me. What other flight sim has ever had this quality of customer support and free add-ons?

This is great free stuff for us to have fun with. What the hell are you people complaining about?

Da_Godfatha
03-18-2005, 01:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Beirut:
Well I for one am dee-lighted with the new stuff and thankful that it's being given to us for free.

And why some people find the need to whine is completely beyond me. What other flight sim has ever had this quality of customer support and free add-ons?

This is great free stuff for us to have fun with. What the hell are you people complaining about? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I bet you would be happy for a dog peeing against a tree object?

Yes, they do look good, but I don`t remember anyone asking for them. Cockpits for the planes we have to make them flyable, THAT is what we need.

Most people turn down their ground objects so they can have smooth frames anyway.

Sorry, this stuff I could live without. It is time we get some good Pacific stuff now. Europe is about played to death anyway.

sokil
03-18-2005, 01:15 PM
Quoting Oleg Maddox "There will be several new positions of new Aircraft (3 of them AI), cockpit and new modifications of existed, many new ground objects (for both Pacific and Europe/Russian front), new maps for both Russian and Pacific theaters." go over to dev update and read there

DRB_Hookech0
03-18-2005, 01:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Beirut:
Well I for one am dee-lighted with the new stuff and thankful that it's being given to us for free.

And why some people find the need to whine is completely beyond me. What other flight sim has ever had this quality of customer support and free add-ons?

This is great free stuff for us to have fun with. What the hell are you people complaining about? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hmmmm....so....name something we have recieved for PF free? I can think of 1 item...the Marinans map. New ships....nope, New planes...so far nope. Stuff supposed to be in the game (as indicated on the box and no I'm not talking about the **** betty) nope...nada...zip. Since PF came out, what "New stuff" have we got for free?

SaQSoN
03-18-2005, 02:45 PM
Looks like some people, posting complaints in this thread are a complete idiots. You can't read, or what? So try reading it again:

THIS TANKS WERE MADE BY 3rd PARTY ENTHUSIASTS. THEY DID, WHAT THEY LIKED TO. NOBODY ASKED THEM TO DO THIS MODELS AND NOBODY PAYED THEM FOR THIS WORK. 1C CREW KINDLY INSERTED THIS OBJECTS INTO THE GAME, APPRECIATING THE TIME AND EFFORTS SPENT ON THIS WORK BY MENTIONED ABOVE ENTHUSIASTS.

Is it clear to you now?!

As for the pacific stuff, you're getting at least 4 new ground vehicles and at least 4 new planes of which 2 flyable, whose screens were posted in previous dev.updates. I think, it's fairly enough for the FREE patch/addon. Or is it not?

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

DRB_Hookech0
03-18-2005, 03:07 PM
never mind....I guess completing what is listed on the BOX as playable content in a patch 4-6 months later is considered a "Free Addon". I'm sure game publishers love consumers like yourself who have no expectations whatsoever. "Thank you sir...may have another".....Oliver Twist like. When I read the game contents on the box I expect them to be at least honest. So I dont consider 4-6 months later getting a few things and a lot of things that do not help my situation anything other than a addendum to the orginal package....that should be free because it was not included in the 1st place. Thanks for call us PF standalone players Idiots....we can now see which side of the Sim you reside on

No601_prangster
03-18-2005, 03:37 PM
Fantastic work MatoKKK. The V2 site will make a great target for the Mossie http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Thanks

Griffon_25th
03-18-2005, 03:41 PM
Isnt there something better to do with your time than just complain about something you arent forced to play. Sure you spent 50 bucks on the game probably. that really isnt a lot of money anyways.

Beirut
03-18-2005, 03:42 PM
Ungrateful, unthankful, spoiled brats.

Every patch is free. every new ground object is free. that the makers and 3rd party people go out of their way to give us all this FOR FREE deserves out thanks. or at least your silence if you don't like it.

It is truly unbelievable that people can be so lacking in manners that when they get a gift and it doesn't suit their exact needs, they complain.

Just a bunch of whiny diaper babies. And just as lacking in the social graces. It's bloody embarrassing.

I will say again - Thank you for all the new toys! It is appreciated! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Fliegeroffizier
03-18-2005, 03:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DRB_Hookech0:
never mind.......I'm sure game publishers love consumers like yourself who have no expectations whatsoever. "Thank you sir...may have another"......... So I dont consider 4-6 months later getting a few things and a lot of things that do not help my situation anything other than a addendum to the orginal package....that should be free because it was not included in the 1st place. Thanks for call us PF standalone players Idiots.... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Dude...go buy CFS2, it's ALL Pacific...there are LOTS of copies for sale on the shelves, still, thanks to M$oft's marketing/monopoly efforts...I saw 30 copies yesterday at a store, alongside ONE copy of IL2/FB. ...and don't forget to downlaod all of M$oft's free add-ons for CFS2 and CFS3; there must be at least ten Free Add-ons by now from M$oft after about 6 or 7 years since CFS2 release. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Also, M$oft certinly doesn't believe in the concept that the "consumers have No Expectations at All"!....or DO they? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

ploughman
03-18-2005, 03:51 PM
drb you're right. But tell it to 1c and Ubi Soft. To be fair I'm not completely impressed by the lack of professionalism exhibited by Ubisof viz the release of Pacific Fighters but he stuff listed on the update is produced often by third parties for little or no reward becasue they love the sim...you wont't be paying for that so you don't have to down load it if you don't want it. Of course the update will include the Betty cockpit that we all paid for, the cockpit that has already been featured in earlier updates, but I excpect you'll delete/ignore everything else seen as that's all you seem to care about. I hope when the time comes you enjoy your Betty.

http://www.pacific-fighters.com/ss/G4M1_Cockpit_01_s1.jpg

Dash_C.
03-18-2005, 04:11 PM
When did update threads turn into excuses to mention what the sim doesn't have? These are supposed to mention what the sim will have. Make a new thread if you want to talk about what it is lacking.

Besides, these are bonus objects. Work done on these doesn't subtract from work done on "Plane X" or "Ship X".

Anyway, I think any update is a good update. So nice work modellers!

Zeus-cat
03-18-2005, 04:25 PM
Thank you MatoKKK for the ground objects you did fior free.

Zeus-cat

Giganoni
03-18-2005, 04:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SaQSoN:
There are 2 Japanese guns among this objects. The bus and the buldozer were initially made for PF as well, but did not make it in the release.
All other objects are USER MADE and were not considered by the developers. They simply inserted in the game models, made by FB/PF enthusiasts.
It is not developer's fault, that 3rd party modellers don't have interest in the Japanese vehicles. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I would assume those two ground objects are the field guns? One being the Type 38 75mm gun and the Type 91 10cm howitzer motorized version? They look pretty accurate to pictures I have. Should be a good edition to the Pacific since I was tired of using German artillery to create Japanese artillery positions. As for third parties not having much interest in Japanese vehicles. There isn't too much more they can develop unless they are going to represent the war in China or vs Russia. I would have liked to have seen the Shinhoto Chi-ha, but that is about it.

Heh, I wonder why we don't have horses in this game, since much of the german and japanese army was horse drawn I'm surprised. Although I suppose it would be a little silly.

MatoKKK
03-18-2005, 04:48 PM
Thank you guys. All who like the models, enjoy them. I am happy our small modelling team could do them for all of us. It should add to the fun and variety we already have with this great sim.

AFAIK know, the V-2 will be a static object only that won't launch. So no extra coding by the Maddox team was needed. I do hope it makes a nice explosion though. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Jutocsa
03-18-2005, 05:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Capt._Tenneal:
Is that THING the Thor mortar ? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nope, its the Karl. Thor had the long barrel and 54cm calibre.
As for the whiners..I can only thank, you gave me a good laugh http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

As for explosion, the first thing I try will be to shoot the hell out of your V2 with my Karl...that should make some nice fire http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif)

LEXX_Luthor
03-18-2005, 05:45 PM
Thanks (Tanks) Matokk. I always wanted some more early Soviet tanks over the FB. Now, if you can, talk Oleg's into making Simplified Easy large maps with multiple simple islands for Pacific (like Marshall Island group).

DRB_Hookech0:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>name something we have recieved for PF free? I can think of 1 item...the Marinans map. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
(2) Flyable F2A2 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

This clown is too easy.

Since you never knew about it, try the Brewster NOW, its alot of fun!!! ...and it made me interested in making missions with Japan attacking Pacific early 1941 so I could use Brewster as carrier fighter where the original FB Brewster never got me hooked. Maybe its the sliding canopy thing--I can be that shallow, from time to time.

<span class="ev_code_yellow">SaQSoN</span>, where is that Flyable Ki~27 ?? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

More PF planes, more PF Maps soon, NOW! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

Cadet_Bobo
03-18-2005, 05:50 PM
The short fat gun will be thrilling, an interactive encounter with it is really what the game needs. I secretly hope it doesn't shoot at me.

Bobo

Qbeesh800
03-18-2005, 06:09 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SaQSoN:
Looks like some people, posting complaints in this thread are a complete idiots. You can't read, or what? So try reading it again:

THIS TANKS WERE MADE BY 3rd PARTY ENTHUSIASTS. THEY DID, WHAT THEY LIKED TO. NOBODY ASKED THEM TO DO THIS MODELS AND NOBODY PAYED THEM FOR THIS WORK. 1C CREW KINDLY INSERTED THIS OBJECTS INTO THE GAME, APPRECIATING THE TIME AND EFFORTS SPENT ON THIS WORK BY MENTIONED ABOVE ENTHUSIASTS.

Is it clear to you now?!

As for the pacific stuff, you're getting at least 4 new ground vehicles and at least 4 new planes of which 2 flyable, whose screens were posted in previous dev.updates. I think, it's fairly enough for the FREE patch/addon. Or is it not?

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

nie pierdol...

LEXX_Luthor
03-18-2005, 06:15 PM
And there should be More...

We know Flyable Betty is in the Bag, and Flyable Ki~100 too...

But we also saw J2M3 cockpit (remember we totally Panicked about yellow windsheild http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif ), so that could be in later Patch. Also, Zneg is working over the B6N cockpit right now. Very most difficult to make, that one. And Very most important for PF.

-HH- Beebop
03-18-2005, 06:34 PM
I can't see the screenshots! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

Why? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

What do I need to do? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

(XP Pro/SP2/IE6)

canucksledge
03-18-2005, 07:06 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Griffon_25th:
Isnt there something better to do with your time than just complain about something you arent forced to play. Sure you spent 50 bucks on the game probably. that really isnt a lot of money anyways. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hedy bud...mind asking your parents for 50 bucks for me next time too?

SaQSoN
03-18-2005, 10:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> SaQSoN, where is that Flyable Ki~27 ?? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
It is still being worked on. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

To clear some things.
The T-28, T-35 and Maxime AA MG were made by a guy, who names himself Stalevar. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif He's a part of my team and besides this FREE models, he also did some ground objects for PF and now is working on more of them for payware FB addon.
He also did the Type 38 gun, but this was a pay job.

The late model T-26 was made by Altekerve.

The early T-26 and the Chech tanks were made by MKubani and his friends.

And the "Karl" mortar was made by Jutocsa, who also did several additional planes for ETO, again, FOR FREE.

You also seem to didn't notice, that there are more new ground objects on this screens, besides the tanks. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif It's a white fabric sheets oftenly used to mark the airstrips on a temporary airfields. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

TSmoke
03-19-2005, 12:46 AM
I for one always am impressed with the support given to this game, and thank the developers for their efforts.

However as the saying goes " You can please some of the people some of the time, but you can please all of the people NONE of the time".

Thanks again Ubisoft!

Hendley
03-19-2005, 01:16 AM
Just a quick word of thanks to devs and modellers for these great-looking add-ons. Really looking forward to it.

Can't figure why anyone would actually complain about new, free content. It's not like any of the PTO stuff is being REMOVED to make room, right? This is in ADDITION to PTO already there. So what on earth is the problem??? I'm confused...

GerritJ9
03-19-2005, 01:31 AM
I fly both Pacific and Eastern Front, so ANYTHING we receive from 1C/UBI is most welcome indeed- whether free patch or paid addon such as AEP.
A BIG thank you to all developers for everything we have received so far and for what we will receive in future! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Robo.
03-19-2005, 01:49 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SaQSoN:
The late model T-26 was made by Altekerve.

The early T-26 and the Chech tanks were made by MKubani and his friends.FOR FREE. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

First, greetings to all moron whiners. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif My girlfriend could tell stories about "how he spent another evening with his stupid tanks instead with me." http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

To clear it even more http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif - The czechoslovak panzers are part of free slovak add-on for AEP+PF. After finishing its first part (voice pack, DGEN campaign & files, skins etc. you installed with your AEP datadisk) we spent another months to get another stuff into the sim. Except Avia B.534 and project Letov S.328 you might seen already in Updates, we did some ground objects. Of course, we did the ones we needed, it means Slovakia related. Mkubani (MatoKKK) did the models (which was not as easy as it might seem to you) and I did the paintjobs. I`m not professional graphic artist, but I did what I could. What harmed you to do the same like we did? Of course, the panzers were used by other countries and we weren`t selfish and did German, Romanian and other paintjobs. We both did the V-2 rocket as kinda sick project - there are even 2 models, mobile and stationary for you.

It`s just our "slovak" business, but we did a lot to do it enjoyable even for you. I understand the panzers are spotted in 500 mph for few seconds from your plane just moment before your blinded by own tracers http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif and there were no point to count every single rivet.

We are just happy that guys from Olegs team, especially SaQSon were so kind and did some extra work for us. We`re really happy we can see our work ingame and we hoped you all will be happy too. *Dissapointed* Just to finish this - the early T-26 was painted by Mongol, later version of T-26 by Hurri-Khan, The armored vehicle Tatra, LT-35 (slovak, german and romanian camo), LT-38 (slovak, german 2x) and LT-40 (2 versions), Marder based on chasi of Lt-38, V-2 rocket (2 versions) by myself. It was a lot of work, you can trust me.http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

I`m not angry on you ungrateful ones, You just dont had enough information about this. So, please think on this next time you`ll be about to complain about free stuff made for you.

http://www.netwings.org/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=1349&forum=DCForumID43&omm=0

Here is study of one single model from Mkubani, not to mention some objects have damage models, too. Sorry for my funny english.

http://158.195.81.62/~jopo/Study.jpg

LEXX_Luthor
03-19-2005, 01:51 AM
Gerrit:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I fly both Pacific and Eastern Front, so ANYTHING we receive from 1C/UBI is most welcome indeed- <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I fly them BOTH at the same time. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif PF gives us a foot in the door to Japan vs Russia, and these tanks may help us alot here. We need that Flyable Ki~27 though!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif (for Flying Tiger stuff too).

and Flyable SB, I~152, G3M "Nell", a China map, or even better, a Map of China http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

RvGils
03-19-2005, 02:44 AM
SaQSon and MatoKKK,

Your and your friends/teammembers work is very much appreciated!

A big Thanks!!!
Best regards,
Rinus.

GerritJ9
03-19-2005, 02:45 AM
I agree about the Ki27- it is also needed for Singapore, the Philippines and the Netherlands East Indies http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif!
I am a bit confused about your I-152 though....... we already have the I-153 as flyable and the only other I-15 types I have any info on are the I-15 and I-15 bis. So, what exactly is the I-152?

CKY_86
03-19-2005, 02:53 AM
i cant wait to try out the karl, just one of those shells could knock out a small town

ive noticed that it has tank tracks so does this mean it will be able to move around

JG53Frankyboy
03-19-2005, 03:05 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GerritJ9:
I agree about the Ki27- it is also needed for Singapore, the Philippines and the Netherlands East Indies http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif!
I am a bit confused about your I-152 though....... we already have the I-153 as flyable and the only other I-15 types I have any info on are the I-15 and I-15 bis. So, what exactly is the I-152? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://www.warbirdpictures.com/VVS1/I-152-1s.jpg

SaQSoN
03-19-2005, 04:24 AM
I-15bis was oftenly reffered in western books as I-152. So, I-152 and I-15bis is actually the same aircraft. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
"Karl" was SP gun, so it will move in the game as well. I only affraid, it will move AND shoot, as any pther SP artillery in the game. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Viking-S
03-19-2005, 05:06 AM
Respect and thank you to all that contributes to this ever growing simulation!

To UbiRazz, I think it is wise to post updates that aren€t pure PF in the GD forum.
Just to deprive the whiners of at least one €œargument€.

Back to SH III.

Viking

buz13
03-19-2005, 05:45 AM
My thanks to all the 3rd party modders for their contributions. Looking forward to the add-on. What I don't understand is if its release is "very soon" why not post a list of the additions so people can complain about what actually will or will not be in the add-on. Speculation is just a big waste of time and space in the forum...... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

WOLFMondo
03-19-2005, 08:01 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sharkey888:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Platypus_1.JaVA:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JFC_danger:
hmmmmmmmmmm

rockets??????
bus???????
german heavy artillery??????

why are we getting something that we should not have?????????????

instead of rockets,(which where not in the pacific) cant we have static parked planes on a static carrier or something?
S!~ <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

_<span class="ev_code_RED">Because this sim is soooooo much more then PF alone...</span>_ <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

We are in the PF forum aren't we?! A game which was sold as a standalone and not an addon!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

This patch is for both PF and the merged install. Theres going to be allot of content for merged install only...best go out and buy FB gold pack and make the most of it.

WOLFMondo
03-19-2005, 08:03 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DRB_Hookech0:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Beirut:
Well I for one am dee-lighted with the new stuff and thankful that it's being given to us for free.

And why some people find the need to whine is completely beyond me. What other flight sim has ever had this quality of customer support and free add-ons?

This is great free stuff for us to have fun with. What the hell are you people complaining about? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hmmmm....so....name something we have recieved for PF free? I can think of 1 item...the Marinans map. New ships....nope, New planes...so far nope. Stuff supposed to be in the game (as indicated on the box and no I'm not talking about the **** betty) nope...nada...zip. Since PF came out, what "New stuff" have we got for free? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You got free stuff with it. P47, P51's and P38's were never mentioned as planes that were going to feature in PF.

bill4343
03-19-2005, 08:50 AM
This called the PF forum because it is the latest addition CD to the IL2 family and for those of you that haven't caught on yet everything is geared to that concept, if you only have PF don't expect a Porshe if you bought a volkswagen. In other words 1C isn't going to abandon the majority of us who have the whole works to concentrate on one new family member.

AlmightyTallest
03-19-2005, 09:15 AM
I think the problem is that most Addons to an origional game are about $20 US Dollars in the States. It can't be denied that Pacific Fighters was touted as a stand alone product that had the capability to work with FB and AEP and was priced at a full $40 USD. And since it was touted as a stand alone, along the lines of IL2FB many were hoping to see specific Pacific Theater content addons and $20 USD pay addons specific to the Pacific Theater.

The other problem is that people tend to say if you want something then do it yourself. Well many here asked for more Pacific Theater specific content like ships and other aircraft, but were told that it just isn't going to happen.

There's a lot of fustration going around for Pacific Theater enthusists, and seeing a development update that seems to only focus on European theater additions tends to set some of us off.

The models look great, I learned at Netwings that those guys put a lot of time and effort into their work, and it takes more time and effort on Oleg's part to get each machine coded into the sim, and for that I am grateful.

Just realise that many of us are worried about what Pacific Theater content is going to get added to PF before support is dropped entirely. Many hoped that PF would mature like IL2FB into the AEP addon, the price and the ability of the product to stand alone seemed to suggest this.

masaker2005
03-19-2005, 11:51 AM
I just see that pics and say wow new tanks, buses, buldozers, nazi Karel 300 inch mortar and artilery guns great thanks Maddox!

zoomar
03-19-2005, 11:51 AM
Well, if all the previous updates are a good reflection of what the next update will have, we will get several more flyable japanese planes including the Ki100, J2M, and Betty as well as other AI places from the Pacific. I also prefer to play PF as a standalone pacific game, however, and hope that we will get an update that works on it as well as simply the merged install. I'd really like more ships, though, and there's no word there.

Beirut
03-19-2005, 01:09 PM
Oh, wait. A whiner has something to say about the patch...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/horsesass/baby.bmp

AlmightyTallest
03-19-2005, 01:27 PM
lol, why would you make a post like that and also claim to be an:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> "Official Lancaster whiner" <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

JadehawkII
03-19-2005, 01:50 PM
Nice update on the vehicles. Now allow me to educate my fellow Airheads on the So called heavy SP gun from my somewhat limited information. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

It's called the Morser Karl-Gerat 040/041 and it's a siege motar developed starting in 1937. Delivery was made of 6 production vehicles with the 7th kept as a test vehicle in 1941. Guns I and II used the early 8 wheel per side bogey suspension system while guns III through VI used the later 11 wheel per side suspension system. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif This is the one modeled for this game ans as such, you cannot use Adam(I) or Eve(II) in your missions for this reason. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

As shown above, the guns each had their own name and they also were assigned a Roman numeral. They are: Adam(I), Eve(II), Thor(III), Odin(IV), Loki(V) and Ziu(VI). http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif
I just hope they modeled the guns ground speed correctly as it was just about 4MPH(US) or 6.5KMH? for European standards. A good crew can fire up to 6 rounds per hour and as such, I hope this thing dont go shooting off like a 75mm field arty piece! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
The motar's gun size modeled for this game is the 60cm gun barrel. There was also a 54cm gun barrel developed for longer ranges and had a longer gun tube. The 60cm fired two typs of shells, a 2.5 meter 2.2 metric ton concrete piercing shell and a 1.9 meter 1.7 ton shell. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif Nevermind how big of a bang this thing makes when it shoots off, it's gonna make one hell of a huge BOOM when that shell lands and ruin anyones day who hapens to be nearby. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif Battle areas known in the game are: Kursk (guns III and IV), Battle of the Bulge (gun VI), Warsaw (gun VI).

Guns II and V were captured by the US with gun VI captured by the Russians. The rest have been destroyed so if you want to blow up any of these guns, they should be guns I, III and IV. But of course this being a Flight sim, you can do anything you want! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif
Keep in mind this weapon was high value asset and as such, was a very well protected gun from both ground and air attacks via AAA and armored units. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif
Just thought you all would like to know....

Happy hunting! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

CKY_86
03-19-2005, 02:05 PM
thanks for the info about the karl

do you know what range was when it fired

thanks

DHC2Pilot
03-19-2005, 03:09 PM
Hey, forgive me everyone if this has been mentioned (I didn't feel like wading through 5 pages of posts), but something crossed my mind after reading the update....

They mentioned that they're using PF to test out the new flight model for BOB - could it be that we'll see even more updates to PF to test further code for BOB? If so, then PF's life may have just been extended for a couple more years possibly. I'm not necessarily hoping for more aircraft, but perhaps new playability options that would add a bit more depth to the game. That'd be alright with me!!!

Go Oleg and team...you have our blessings on this one!

Fritzofn
03-19-2005, 03:16 PM
Hirr...time to go Thor hunting :-))

MUHAHAHA

GerritJ9
03-19-2005, 03:41 PM
If Karl's shell causes a huge boom, just think of what Dora's shell will do http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Anybody modelling that gun?
I believe some of these guns were also used during the siege of Sevastopol.

AlmightyTallest
03-19-2005, 04:27 PM
DHC2Pilot, exactly one of the things I was hoping for was if he had to continue with BoB, at least he could improve PF or experiment with features he may be able to add into BoB as development continues.

I was hoping for perhaps rudimentary radar perhaps in some future patch http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

It's really good to see the option of the new flight model, hopefully Oleg can find a good way of getting more planes into the mix as well.

I'm just waiting to see what the patch will bring, there's sure to be surprises I'm told. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Spectre-63
03-19-2005, 08:02 PM
Here we have it, folks - further proof that 1C has ONCE AGAIN forgotten the PF enthusiasts in favor of adding more **** (in a patch that's ostensibly at least partially for the PF non-merged install) that most people will never see.

Czech tanks?? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif You've gotta be f'in kidding me.

I found the suggestion to "run out and buy the Aces Gold pack" laughable....why in God's green earth would someone throw more money to a company when the first product they bought from them didn't even include what was advertised on the box? Sounds like a perfect example of "Fool me once, shame on you...fool me twice, shame on me"

Spectre-63
03-19-2005, 08:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DRB_Hookech0:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Beirut:
Well I for one am dee-lighted with the new stuff and thankful that it's being given to us for free.

And why some people find the need to whine is completely beyond me. What other flight sim has ever had this quality of customer support and free add-ons?

This is great free stuff for us to have fun with. What the hell are you people complaining about? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hmmmm....so....name something we have recieved for PF free? I can think of 1 item...the Marinans map. New ships....nope, New planes...so far nope. Stuff supposed to be in the game (as indicated on the box and no I'm not talking about the **** betty) nope...nada...zip. Since PF came out, what "New stuff" have we got for free? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You got free stuff with it. P47, P51's and P38's were never mentioned as planes that were going to feature in PF. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

...and the only way you get them is if you fly with the merged install. A standalone should be able to stand alone and not need to lean on 2 previous products in order to have the proper planesets.

Beirut
03-19-2005, 09:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by AlmightyTallest:
lol, why would you make a post like that and also claim to be an:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> "Official Lancaster whiner" <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hee-hee.

The difference is that I'm proud to be the one and only Official Lancaster Whiner. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif And also, I would at least have the good graces to say thank you if they gave one to me.

Hell, I'm happy to say thank you for the patches and new objects even if there isn't a Lancaster involved.

All these people blubbering "WAHHHHHH!!! The new free stuff isn't exactly what I wanted! WAHHH! It isn't only for PF! WAHHHH! Oleg ripped us off! We should have bought CFS3! WAHHHHH!!"

What a load of whiny babies. Get out the Pampers and talcum powder. Diaper rash abounds!

AlmightyTallest
03-19-2005, 09:28 PM
Point taken Beirut, http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I was just yanking your chain, and thought the quote was funny given the circumstances.

I'm happy to see continued development for the IL2 series as well, it's just that for the PF folks we're being told that there aren't going to be certain planes and ships, or maps for that matter that would make the war in the Pacific more complete like the other Oleg Maddox sims.

They say to expect surprises, so I'll hold back and wait and see what we'll actually be getting for PF.

I think the development update should have included Oleg's statement of a completely new and more realistic flight model for PF, and the statement that more PF specific addons will be coming as well as the European Theater additions we see here. That alone could have avoided some of the temper flaring.

Just my opinion though. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Beirut
03-19-2005, 09:51 PM
Sorry if you thought I was being rude towards you. Certainly not my intent. And I am not against people having opinions towards the patches and such - who am I am to question what another person thinks.

It just seems a bit much to me that people will go on such serious tantrums over a computer game. This is supposed to be fun but these people react like they're in a real war and the fat generals back at HQ aren't sending them any ammunition.

Anyway, it certainly is fun to make fun of them. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

JadehawkII
03-19-2005, 11:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JadehawkII:
More on the Karl-Gerat Morser...
Correct, several guns were in fact used against the Fortress City Sevastopol..seems I forgot that one! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif These guns were in fact developed to take down the French Maginot Line with the 60cm gun barrel firing the large shell and able to penetrate 2.5 meters of concrete. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif As for the range, Honestly I have no idea at the moment. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gif But since the heavier shell has a maximum speed of 220 meters per second when fired from a 70 degree angle, I would say they have a range from 8 to 12 miles. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif Keep in mind they are seige motars and by that very nature, they are short range weapons to begin with. As for the Dora gun systems, they were 80cm guns and only two of them were completed. They were designed to take out the Fortress City Sevastopol and because of the huge size of this gun system, it was hardly a sucessful one and could only be used under very specific conditions where the German Army had air supreamcy. They had to because it took 15 full train loads to transport this huge monster. Then they have to construct new twin railway tracks side-by-side out toward the target area for the gun system to move on.
Have fun and happy Hunting! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Robo.
03-20-2005, 01:04 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Spectre-63:
Here we have it, folks - further proof that 1C has ONCE AGAIN forgotten the PF enthusiasts in favor of adding more **** (in a patch that's ostensibly at least partially for the PF non-merged install) that most people will never see.
Czech tanks?? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif You've gotta be f'in kidding me.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Don`t download the free patch if you don`t like it then. Be so kind and move your lazy bottom one side back and read the information about czechoslovak tanks. Just btw - they were used by Wehrmacht in Polish and French campaign and in the Operation Barbarossa as well. They fit just perfectly into what we have in FB + AEP. I`m sorry but there were no Slovaks in Pacific http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif You understand now why they`re there? If you don`t like the game you bought, don`t play it.

Jutocsa
03-20-2005, 01:07 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Spectre-63:
Here we have it, folks - further proof that 1C has ONCE AGAIN forgotten the PF enthusiasts in favor of adding more ****

Czech tanks?? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif You've gotta be f'in kidding me. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You just cant read, can you...pathetic

masaker2005
03-20-2005, 01:35 AM
CKY_86 if you are interested abaout ground combats in WWII get yourself Blitzkrieg Burning Horizon it is great i heave it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

CKY_86
03-20-2005, 05:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by masaker2005:
CKY_86 if you are interested abaout ground combats in WWII get yourself Blitzkrieg Burning Horizon it is great i heave it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

allready got it m8 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif it kicks butt.

im intrested in the range on the karl because it will make for some fantastic missions & scinarios for the creative mission builders & anyone who wants to have fun with it for that matter http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

masaker2005
03-20-2005, 06:34 AM
You mean how long range it has in Il2-Fb? Or in reality? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Real mortar did shot maximum 12miles.

AlmightyTallest
03-20-2005, 09:36 AM
It's no problem Beirut, I understand the fustration http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Everyone lets off steam in their own way. Some people haven't seen all the information available and so go and vent without having all the facts.

I personally wouldn't hold it against them, not everyone has the time to go through the various forums to pick up all the info. When people take the time to register here and be a part of this community and even if they complain or rant, I take it as a sign that they really care about this sim.

They want it to improve so they point out what they believe is missing, or what should be changed. Whether they're right or wrong is up to Oleg and team to determine I guess, but nevertheless it's a sign that they like this sim and the other addons and just want to see improvements before Oleg moves on. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I know what your saying though, in some ways people really are having tantrums over a game, but this particular game is important to them. That tells me Oleg must put a lot of effort into his sims, and that he is listening to the users, I'm very new to this series and have to admit I'm getting spoiled by seeing a developer so active in making efforts to improve this sim.

I still reserve the right to point out that we need more ships and planes, and maps, and better AI if it can be done. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

MatoKKK
03-20-2005, 10:21 AM
Congratulations Spectre-63! You fall into the "premium moron category". This qualifies you to read my earlier posts in this thread dedicated to such useless individuals as yourself who whine and cry over their $49 spent on PF and never have done anything else for this game. Or actually, I am kind enough to copy and paste it here for you because with your limited IQ you many not even find my earlier post, right?

"OK, FOR ALL MORONS THAT EVER COME HERE:

THOSE MODELS U SEE ARE E.X.T.R.A. OR B.O.N.U.S. ONES. YOU WILL GET ALL YOUR PACIFIC THINGIES TOO. UNDERSTAND? OR DO I NEED TO SPEAK JAPANESE TO YOU?"

I suggest you spend another $50 to improve your reading skills because "you've gotta be f'in kidding me" with your complains.

And yes, this is a direct personal insult directed towards you, so you can now start whining and crying about some real injustice. Enjoy your stay at UBI forums.

Hmmm, I do feel better now.

masaker2005
03-20-2005, 11:40 AM
MatoKKK please speak Japan.



Joke!

ReligiousZealot
03-20-2005, 01:20 PM
I spent $40 on PF, and although a little disappointed with the lack of flyable torpedo bombers, I rushed out and got the FB Gold Pack just to have more planes. I love this sim but I do have to say, I wish there was more content for the PTO, but I'm not going to whine about it because it solves nothing. PF is a great sim by itself, but the true joy lays in online play...and to get the most out of that, you have to have the merged install. If only the standalone boys could try this, I for one, went from whining about the lack of content to being overjoyed in the sheer amount of immersion the merged delivers. I tell you, there's nothing like being able to switch theaters when you get tired of flying a F6F Hellcat around to jumping into a BF109 and hunting Spits. Personally, I hope that PF eventually gets ported to the BoB engine or whatnot, but to close out, I'd like to say, Standalone crowd, I hear your cries and I understand. Don't let this poor release fool you, this game is going to blossom and grow just don't abandon ship quite yet.

plumps_
03-20-2005, 04:51 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Spectre-63:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DRB_Hookech0:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Beirut:
Well I for one am dee-lighted with the new stuff and thankful that it's being given to us for free.

And why some people find the need to whine is completely beyond me. What other flight sim has ever had this quality of customer support and free add-ons?

This is great free stuff for us to have fun with. What the hell are you people complaining about? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hmmmm....so....name something we have recieved for PF free? I can think of 1 item...the Marinans map. New ships....nope, New planes...so far nope. Stuff supposed to be in the game (as indicated on the box and no I'm not talking about the **** betty) nope...nada...zip. Since PF came out, what "New stuff" have we got for free? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You got free stuff with it. P47, P51's and P38's were never mentioned as planes that were going to feature in PF. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

...and the only way you get them is if you fly with the merged install. A standalone should be able to stand alone and not need to lean on 2 previous products in order to have the proper planesets. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif You must have corrupted install of PF then - or you don't know at all what you're talking about!

In my stand-alone version of PF there are not only several types of the P-47, P-51, and P-38, but also most of the Hurricanes, Spitfires, P-63, P-39, P-40, and Ki-84 versions from FB and AEP. None of them are mentioned on my PF box.

You can fly many of them in my QDPF single mission pack for PF stand-alone.

So please stop telling lies.

Beirut
03-20-2005, 04:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MatoKKK:


I am the modeller of both V-2s, T-26, Lt-35, Lt-38, Lt-40 and Tatra armour car you can see on those development update screenshots.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

And thank you for that! After a day's work, after the kids are in bed, after my sweetie has crashed, I can fly for an hour with the headphones on, unwind, and blow the **** out of those lovely V2s you were kind enough to make for us.

This is a flight sim. A game. It's cool and it's fun and many, many of us appreciate your taking the time to make it better. I'll raise my first V2 beer to you in thanks for my making my off-time more fun. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

maxdamagel33t
03-22-2005, 02:08 PM
Hi! I'm a newbie! I suck at flight sims (but I'm learning)! I have a really old and crappy screen-name! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

There, introductions over. Ranting begins now.

So, free expansion on the way. I honestly don't know what some of you people are whining about. Only a handfull of developers on the face of the planet do free content expansions like this. The only other ones I can think of are Valve (Half-Life 1/2) and Epic (Unreal Tournament 200X).

Simple fact: You've put your money down. You got what you paid for. If you didn't choose to return it, then it's yours for good. The developers have your money, and officially owe you diddly squat. The fact that they're supporting their fanbase with regular updates and meaty new content additions is a rare thing, and shouldn't be complained about.

Would you rather it be like those poor Xbox-only gamers? The latest news is that they're releasing an expansion pack for Halo 2. 9 multiplayer maps for $20.

So, that's that said.. And now I'll add why this expansion excites me.

On one hand, you have the new content. New models, new planes, new maps, new stuff all over the place. It's a regular bonanza of Stuff(tm). However, that's not what gets me so interested.

It's the mention that Pacific Fighters (and in turn the IL2 engine in general) is being used as a testbed for the flight models to be used in the upcoming BoB (I'm assuming that's Battle of Britain - the obvious next step for the series).

Why is this interesting? Simple.

IL2: FB and PF weren't initially compatible. The Ace Expansion added elements that allowed it to bridge between FB and PF to create the giant ubersim we see today.

So... BoB content in PF = Potential for the Battle of Britain game being another modular install, making the IL2 series a near-complete simulation of the entire WW2 aerial aspect.

And face it - that's worth getting excited over.

billclarke1
03-23-2005, 02:41 AM
Now please don't flame me for this post, I didn't look through all the development screen shots, but what about some more German bombers like the DO17 He177, DO217K, DO17Z, HE219 Uhu, JU188, JU290.
And is there any chance we will ever get to shoot at ground troops ?

Bill.

SaQSoN
03-23-2005, 06:57 AM
Bill,

Much probably, neither from your list won't be included. Some 3rd party people tried to build few of the listed planes, but failed to accomplish this. And now it is, probably, too late.

From other hand, there's still a possibility to get the SM-79, if you're interested in large airborn targets. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

harryklein66
03-23-2005, 08:38 AM
How many chance we have, to see the SM79 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif in the game: 50/50 ?, more ?, less ? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

F4UDash4
03-23-2005, 10:05 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Robo.:
If you don`t like the game you bought, don`t play it. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Key word there is BOUGHT.

He bought the product, he has a right to voice his opinion of it.

F4UDash4
03-23-2005, 10:08 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MatoKKK:
....their $49 spent on PF and never have done anything else for this game. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

He did all that is required of a CUSTOMER when he paid the $$



<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MatoKKK:"OK, FOR ALL YOU WILL GET ALL YOUR PACIFIC THINGIES TOO. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh really?

SaQSoN
03-23-2005, 10:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> He bought the product, he has a right to voice his opinion of it. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
That is absolutely correct. But this doesn't give him the right to DEMAND MORE, then he paid for. Particulary, if he demands it FOR FREE.

SaQSoN
03-23-2005, 10:48 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> How many chance we have, to see the SM79 <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I can't say. I mean, I don't know. In either case, the model is not submitted yet, but it is in quite advanced state. So, I'd say this depends on the modeller, who makes it.

F4UDash4
03-23-2005, 11:05 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SaQSoN:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> He bought the product, he has a right to voice his opinion of it. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
That is absolutely correct. But this doesn't give him the right to DEMAND MORE, then he paid for. Particulary, if he demands it FOR FREE. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

And just what was it that Mr. Spectre demanded?

harryklein66
03-23-2005, 05:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SaQSoN:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> How many chance we have, to see the SM79 <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I can't say. I mean, I don't know. In either case, the model is not submitted yet, but it is in quite advanced state. So, I'd say this depends on the modeller, who makes it. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ty for reply, well it's time to cross finger, I realy hope the modeller manage to do it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

billclarke1
03-23-2005, 10:49 PM
If someone wants to add all these new aircraft on a disc, I'll buy it, no problems at all, this game is great. I will happily pay for more add on aircraft

DIRTY-MAC
03-24-2005, 07:18 AM
BUHUUU IM A SPOILED LITTLE BRAT BUHUUU!

billclarke1
03-24-2005, 06:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DIRTY-MAC:
BUHUUU IM A SPOILED LITTLE BRAT BUHUUU! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
What does this sentence mean ?

F4UDash4
03-24-2005, 06:51 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by billclarke1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DIRTY-MAC:
BUHUUU IM A SPOILED LITTLE BRAT BUHUUU! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
What does this sentence mean ? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It means that the author of the sentance is an idiot, a child or both.

billclarke1
03-24-2005, 07:01 PM
F4UDash4, I got the impression he was having a shot at me, although I can't work out why. I thought I mad it clear in my post that I'm more than happy to pay for add ons, if people are going to spend lots of hours writing these A/C then I think it's only fair to pay in some way. I am not asking for endless freebies

F4UDash4
03-24-2005, 07:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by billclarke1:
F4UDash4, I got the impression he was having a shot at me, although I can't work out why. I thought I mad it clear in my post that I'm more than happy to pay for add ons, if people are going to spend lots of hours writing these A/C then I think it's only fair to pay in some way. _I am not asking for endless freebies_ <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If an "AEP" type add-on comes out that completes the map set for the Pacific, adds several major ships that are missing as well as adds some torpedo bombers I'll buy it too. But as the situation stands today Pacific Fighters is NOT "an ACCURATE and action-packed re-creation of the epic Battles of the Pacific" as is claimed on the box it comes in. Anyone with slightly more than a passing understanding of the history of the PTO will know that to be a fact.

billclarke1
03-24-2005, 07:45 PM
I do agree with you, one look at the US BB's should convince anyone. As well the total lack of IJN CA's totally bewilders me, no IJN task force went anywhere in the Pacific without cruisers, how the Dev's missed out on this I can't fathom, although it is a A/C sim the Pacific war involved ships and planes.
I would love to see an expansion pack for PF.

AlmightyTallest
03-24-2005, 08:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I would love to see an expansion pack for PF <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Me too, I'd pay for a Pacific Theater addon to fill out the sim more.

F4UDash4
03-25-2005, 06:59 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by AlmightyTallest:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I would love to see an expansion pack for PF <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Me too, I'd pay for a Pacific Theater addon to fill out the sim more. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Anyone else see the irony of us wanting a "Pacific Theater addon" for Pacific Fighters, which itself is basically just a Pacific Theater addon (an incomplete one) for IL2FB?

WTE_Gog
03-27-2005, 04:32 PM
Lets face facts here, Pacific Fighters was a rush job in order to inject some much needed funds for Bob, pure and simple.

Trouble is, the entire thing has rebounded on them and bitten them on the ar$e and they are trying to fix it, which I will give them credit for.

Of course, they are taking their sweet time about it to.

Getting SHIII this week and if it turns out to be as good as my squad mates say it is, then I will be flying less and submarining more.

F4UDash4
03-27-2005, 08:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WTE_Gog:
Trouble is, the entire thing has rebounded on them and bitten them on the ar$e and they are trying to fix it, which I will give them credit for. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I certainly hope so, although I'm not holding my breath until we get the missing torpedo planes, maps, and IJN/USN ships.

I've been waiting for a great PTO flight sim since Windows 95 ended my days of flying "1942 Pacific Air War" for me. I hope I'm not waiting another 8-10 years, but PF is just not there yet.

StudUK
03-28-2005, 09:40 AM
Yep I agree

I purchased PAW thinking it would be the next gen "1942 Pacific Air War"

What a disappointment http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

1942 Pacific Air War...emm What a great title for that time http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

AlmightyTallest
03-28-2005, 12:10 PM
1942 PAW was great, I still have my copy of it.

Anyone remember the cool campaign engine? You could fight the battle of Midway, the Marianas Turkey Shoot and the Coral Sea battles.

You got to control the task groups for either the IJN and USN and tell the ships where to go and when to launch strikes, then you could fly the aircraft yourself to fight the enemy as they did the same to try and locate your task force and attack. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Very good sim at the time, right up there with Aces of the Pacific http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I hope that Pacific Fighters will continue to get support and improve before BoB arrives. Oleg makes a good sim, but the Pacific Theater needs more to flesh it out.

F4UDash4
03-28-2005, 12:55 PM
Yep, I remember all of that Almighty! I too still have all my PAW discs etc., and as soon as I get my DOS box running correctly I'll be getting 1942PAW running once again too.

1942PAW is still the reigning king of PTO air sims, IMHO.

StudUK
03-29-2005, 01:15 AM
"1942PAW is still the reigning king of PTO air sims, IMHO."

Agreed

canucksledge
03-29-2005, 09:59 AM
So where's the patch?

canucksledge
03-29-2005, 10:01 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by F4UDash4:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by AlmightyTallest:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I would love to see an expansion pack for PF <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Me too, I'd pay for a Pacific Theater addon to fill out the sim more. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Anyone else see the irony of us wanting a "Pacific Theater addon" for Pacific Fighters, which itself is basically just a Pacific Theater addon (an incomplete one) for IL2FB? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

There is an add on for Pacific Fighters. Two of them. One is Il2 Forgotten Battles, and the other is the Ace Expansion Pack.

AlmightyTallest
03-29-2005, 12:14 PM
Well, technically Pacific Fighters was advertised and actually works as a standalone product with the abililty to merge with the other two sims AEP and FB.

We were sort of hoping that there would be another Pacific Theater specific addon to help round out Pacific fighters more, like AEP did for FB.

F4UDash4
03-29-2005, 01:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by canucksledge:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by F4UDash4:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by AlmightyTallest:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I would love to see an expansion pack for PF <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Me too, I'd pay for a Pacific Theater addon to fill out the sim more. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Anyone else see the irony of us wanting a "Pacific Theater addon" for Pacific Fighters, which itself is basically just a Pacific Theater addon (an incomplete one) for IL2FB? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

There is an add on for Pacific Fighters. Two of them. One is Il2 Forgotten Battles, and the other is the Ace Expansion Pack. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Didn't read my post did you? Or at least you missed the part where I mentioned IL2FB, hence showing that I do know about IL2FB. And strictly speaking, since IL2FB and AEP came BEFORE PF, those are not "add ons" to PF. Since PF standalone is so "impotent" it could be considered an add-on to those two you list however.

Here's the facts: I am not much of a European/Eastern front sort of guy, I like the Pacific Theater. So along comes Pacific Fighters, which I GLADLY pay 40 bucks for. But to get the full use of PF, I really need IL2FB and AEP. I find them at 20 bucks each, so another 40 bucks. Total spent on what I am hoping is the greatest PTO air sim yet, 80 bucks. Is it the greatest PTO air sim? Not by a long shot.

canucksledge
03-29-2005, 03:31 PM
I agree. But...

People here get mad unless you love the sim. So love the sim. Even if you don't want to.

Cheers...

AlmightyTallest
03-29-2005, 05:00 PM
lol, in some ways you have a point canucksledge http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I guess the best thing to say is that we do enjoy Pacific Fighters, but are willing to constructively request that Oleg implement improvements to his sim to make a good thing even better. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Even if we had to pay for those improvements.

Tuba2004
03-29-2005, 07:45 PM
That is not "whining" and it is not wrong!

As a merged program there is little to complain about with the IL2,
AEP, PF merged install since you receive a few more planes and maps to
use if you are not worried about the historical inaccuracy of using
the HellCat, Wildcat, etc. in Europe. Also the patches should have
also been good news since the majority of the fixes and additions were
for IL2 (European Theater).
However, for those who purchased PF for a Pacific based, historically
accurate simulation the program and support are rather weak. While
never promised flyable Pacific based torpedo planes the very nice
pre-release video featuring Avengers attacking a Japanese vessel would
lead one to think that the player would be able to fly and control
torpedo planes. That they would not be "run on track" Al controlled by
the computer. Perhaps it is because of the excellent support for IL2
and Ace Expansion Pack that those who prefer to do PF as a stand alone
sim feel like semi-orphaned children. While I would not expect to do
naval ship vs. ship gun engagements, I would have expected to find more
ships and types of ships modeled along with the rudimentary ability to
control their movement. Being able to do carrier take offs and
landings is greatly appreciated. However, without controllable torpedo
planes, carrier landings are the only main addition to make PF unique
over what one could have done with only IL2 and AEP. Without some of
these missing things this is basically more dog fight with different
skins on the planes involved.


&gt; We bought the game, that gives us the right to praise it or *****
&gt; about it.

canucksledge
03-30-2005, 05:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tuba2004:
That is not "whining" and it is not wrong!

As a merged program there is little to complain about with the IL2,
AEP, PF merged install since you receive a few more planes and maps to
use if you are not worried about the historical inaccuracy of using
the HellCat, Wildcat, etc. in Europe. Also the patches should have
also been good news since the majority of the fixes and additions were
for IL2 (European Theater).
However, for those who purchased PF for a Pacific based, historically
accurate simulation the program and support are rather weak. While
never promised flyable Pacific based torpedo planes the very nice
pre-release video featuring Avengers attacking a Japanese vessel would
lead one to think that the player would be able to fly and control
torpedo planes. That they would not be "run on track" Al controlled by
the computer. Perhaps it is because of the excellent support for IL2
and Ace Expansion Pack that those who prefer to do PF as a stand alone
sim feel like semi-orphaned children. While I would not expect to do
naval ship vs. ship gun engagements, I would have expected to find more
ships and types of ships modeled along with the rudimentary ability to
control their movement. Being able to do carrier take offs and
landings is greatly appreciated. However, without controllable torpedo
planes, carrier landings are the only main addition to make PF unique
over what one could have done with only IL2 and AEP. Without some of
these missing things this is basically more dog fight with different
skins on the planes involved.


&gt; We bought the game, that gives us the right to praise it or *****
&gt; about it. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree. I've tried time and time again to get that exact point across. Thing is, you are gonna get stomped. Trust me. Love the game. Or else.

: )

Dave

HercMan
03-31-2005, 03:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>.....you receive a few more planes and maps to
use if you are not worried about the historical inaccuracy of using
the HellCat, Wildcat, etc. in Europe...... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's a shame that chatting about "historical inaccuracies" misses the point that the Hellcat saw service with the Royal Navy and other British Commonwealth Navies, and indeed saw service in the North Atlantic and the Mediterranean with the RN as well as the usually known Pacific Theatre. And while we are on the subject, don't forget the Korean War some six years after VJ Day - yes the British WERE there too, in case our American cousins think they did THAT one all by themselves too! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

F4UDash4
03-31-2005, 06:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HercMan:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>.....you receive a few more planes and maps to
use if you are not worried about the historical inaccuracy of using
the HellCat, Wildcat, etc. in Europe...... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's a shame that chatting about "historical inaccuracies" misses the point that the Hellcat saw service with the Royal Navy and other British Commonwealth Navies, and indeed saw service in the North Atlantic and the Mediterranean with the RN as well as the usually known Pacific Theatre. And while we are on the subject, don't forget the Korean War some six years after VJ Day - yes the British WERE there too, in case our American cousins think they did THAT one all by themselves too! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

How do you get Americans thinking they did it all by themselves from ANY of the above??

Tuba2004
03-31-2005, 06:22 PM
posted Thu March 31 2005 14:34
quote: .....you receive a few more planes and maps to use if you are not worried about the historical inaccuracy of using the HellCat, Wildcat, etc. in Europe...... It's a shame that chatting about "historical inaccuracies" misses the point that the Hellcat saw service with the Royal Navy and other British Commonwealth Navies, and indeed saw service in the North Atlantic and the Mediterranean with the RN as well as the usually known Pacific Theatre. And while we are on the subject, don't forget the Korean War some six years after VJ Day - yes the British WERE there too, in case our American cousins think they did THAT one all by themselves too!

Sorry HercMan,
No offense or €œthink they did THAT one all by themselves too!€ intended. However, I think you missed my point which was I don€t think either the U.S. or Japan were using German and Russian bombers or torpedo planes in the historical Pacific Theater. Therefore, I feel it is correct and proper to keep requesting the addition of torpedo bombers and more ships, etc. to flesh out Pacific Fighters. While some, who€s only or main interest is the European war, seem to deeply resent our continually pointing out this deficiency, asking politely once doesn€t seem to have had even an official reply or acknowledgment. So as they say in the colonies, €œThe squeaky wheel is the one most apt to get the grease€. (or one could get the same idea from a Bible parable)

Tuba2004
03-31-2005, 06:46 PM
Just see what you can learn reading a flight sim web site. Sooo I thought I would share it as it is starting to also fit this group. Polite discussion and give and take seem to be in shorter supply.

Seeing how around here we all pretty much give the finger to everyone else I thought I'd share this short history of the Bird http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
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Giving the finger before the Battle of Agincourt in 1415, the French,
anticipating victory over the English, proposed to cut off the middle
finger of all
captured English soldiers. Without the middle finger it would be
impossible
to draw the renowned English longbow and therefore they would be incapable
of fighting in the future. This famous weapon was made of the native
English
Yew tree, and the act of drawing the longbow was known as "plucking the
yew"
(or "pluck yew"). Much to the bewilderment of the French, the English won a
major upset and began mocking the French by waving their middle fingers at
the
defeated French, saying, See, we can still pluck yew! "PLUCK YEW!" Since
'pluck yew' is rather difficult to say, the difficult consonant cluster at
the
beginning has gradually hanged to a labiodental fricative 'F', and thus the
words often used in conjunction with the one-finger-salute! It is also
because
of the pheasant feathers on the arrows used with the longbow that the
symbolic gesture is known as "giving the bird."


IT IS STILL AN APPROPRIATE SALUTE
TO THE FRENCH TODAY!


And yew thought yew knew everything!

cmw1980
04-01-2005, 12:40 PM
Erm...
I thought the French always removed the index finger as well as the middle one, and thats why us Brits like to give the v sign and that the f word came about from a German word for strike. Thats what I always was led to belive from the history books anyway. (smug face) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Tuba2004
04-01-2005, 11:17 PM
Good point cmw1980! I had a hard time believing the longbow story but thought it was semi-funny. I just don€t want this form turn into what comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.flight-sim.url has become. It seems to have gone from a group of friendly people helping each other with flight sim problems into a back biting, name calling group that frequently has nothing to do with flight simulation.

cmw1980
04-02-2005, 08:55 AM
too right mate, maybe other people round here should go out and get laid or something!!

Prof.Wizard
04-03-2005, 01:44 AM
The Karl mortar looks awesome. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
Hehe, its round should make a small nuke-like explosion, like Pe-8's 5000 bomb.

I wonder what would happen to a plane passing on its trajectory. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

cmw1980
04-03-2005, 08:26 AM
it would probably make it get a little bit warm!

Silencer_42
04-10-2005, 10:43 PM
I heard the word came from old England when at one stage peasants of a certain area (thinking Scottland) needed permission from the king to "do the deed." This created acronym which is now a word. "Faunicating Under Consent of King."

Probably and most likely wrong but I laughed my *** off. (Stupid donkey.)

bat05
04-12-2005, 06:53 PM
I have been away sinking all manner of convoy shipping with SH III however, that is just a diversion while I await what I hope will be the Pacific Fighter development of a carrier based torpedo plane.Is there anything in the works on such a project? I was sold on the ad indicating authentic torpedo attacks and assumed that included American aircraft.Any updates on the situation. I did a search but as usual casme up with no results which seems to me to be the usual with the UBS engine.Any help? Thanks in advance from an old Pacific Air Warrior- 1942. (simulation only, of course) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif