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roybaty
12-28-2007, 08:36 PM
I had to do it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif (maniacal laughter)

Yep I'm a New Englanda (loudly slurping my chowda)

heywooood
12-28-2007, 08:41 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v250/heywooood/LT.jpg

keep winning - my Chargers want to ruin your Patsies in the AFC title game

LW_lcarp
12-28-2007, 08:44 PM
Hoping they lose http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

zardozid
12-28-2007, 08:47 PM
their's nothing to talk about...the "pats!" will go all the way!

roybaty...see ya at "Rafters" (LOL)...

knightflyte
12-28-2007, 08:48 PM
19 and 0 coming up.

It starts tomorrow with 16 - 0.

Either way, win or lose, it's been a fun season as a Pat's fan.

roybaty
12-28-2007, 08:56 PM
Rafters http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif A fellow Amherstian. You a student or native?

roybaty
12-28-2007, 09:03 PM
You must give us a break, our teams have been consistently kicking *** after how many DECADES of pain and sadness? We must revel in our time, the bulb that burns twice as bright burns half as long http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

R_Target
12-28-2007, 09:16 PM
New York Football Giants can:

A)Play their first team, lose, and look like chumps.

B)Sit out their first team, lose, and look like chumps.

The best I can hope for is Strahan and Umenyiora getting a piece of Brady.

zardozid
12-28-2007, 09:20 PM
Originally posted by roybaty:
Rafters http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif A fellow Amherstian. You a student or native?

native...I've come and gone...and I'm back (for now).

Bearcat99
12-28-2007, 09:25 PM
I'm from The Bronx.. so you know where my heart lies... but my head... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

hsj41
12-28-2007, 09:38 PM
The new england patriots will win it all.Only the colts have any chance to beat them and as for[chargers vs colts]Indianapolis colts will kick there butts in a rematch.Winner of colts vs patriots the winner of that game will win it all.New England Patriots will go down as the greatest ever with 5 rings.WOW

knightflyte
12-28-2007, 09:38 PM
Originally posted by Bearcat99:
I'm from The Bronx.. so you know where my heart lies... but my head... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif


With the JETS? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif :P

heywooood
12-28-2007, 10:18 PM
Originally posted by hsj41:
The new england patriots will win it all.Only the colts have any chance to beat them and as for[chargers vs colts]Indianapolis colts will kick there butts in a rematch.Winner of colts vs patriots the winner of that game will win it all.New England Patriots will go down as the greatest ever with 5 rings.WOW

Bolts own the Colts and would like nothing more to a man than to dance on the Patriot logo after crushing the Patsies in the AFC Championship game....I hope the miserable cheaters make it that far....but your Pats wont win a playoff game - Bradycats already frightened of the Giants pass rush...wants Coughlin to rest 'em...wait'll Merriman, Olshanski, Phillips and Castillo are coming for him oh my Bolts want some Patsie A$$ and they want it bad
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v250/heywooood/LT.jpg
can you feel the THUNDER

rileyjams
12-28-2007, 10:41 PM
Patriots er dumb

Bearcat99
12-28-2007, 10:42 PM
Originally posted by knightflyte:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bearcat99:
I'm from The Bronx.. so you know where my heart lies... but my head... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif


With the JETS? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif :P </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Big Blue man.... I remember when the Giants used to play at Yankee Stadiunm for a spell.. which was @ 6 blocks from where I was raised. I never was big on the Jets... or the Mets for that matter.

Copperhead311th
12-28-2007, 10:43 PM
Pro Football. Yawn BORING.

Football season will offically be over for me this sunday when we beat Colorado in the "Weed Whacker" bowl. (ie Petro-Sun Independance Bowl)
After that no more sports for me till september.

As for the Pats "perfect season" great for them. but honestly sping & cheating will only get ya so far.

Which is why i stoped watching pro ball to begin with. that & they busted up my team after Joe Montana left. Stroids, bazillion doller saleries. These guys have noting to prove anymore. with endorsemnts and the fat *** contracts they get...3 seasons and they could retire for life. it's not about the game anymore in the NFL. it's all about the money.

With collage kids....it's do or die. they have everytghing to loose.

ok i'll get off my soap box now.

knightflyte
12-28-2007, 10:52 PM
Originally posted by heywooood:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by hsj41:
The new england patriots will win it all.Only the colts have any chance to beat them and as for[chargers vs colts]Indianapolis colts will kick there butts in a rematch.Winner of colts vs patriots the winner of that game will win it all.New England Patriots will go down as the greatest ever with 5 rings.WOW

Bolts own the Colts and would like nothing more to a man than to dance on the Patriot logo after crushing the Patsies in the AFC Championship game....I hope the miserable cheaters make it that far....but your Pats wont win a playoff game - Bradycats already frightened of the Giants pass rush...wants Coughlin to rest 'em...wait'll Merriman, Olshanski, Phillips and Castillo are coming for him oh my Bolts want some Patsie A$$ and they want it bad
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v250/heywooood/LT.jpg
can you feel the THUNDER </div></BLOCKQUOTE>



Charger's won't make it past the 1st round. Know why they lost last year? Immaturity. They had the game bundled up with a bow, and they lost their composure. I still can't believe La di da Tomlinson whined about celebrating. (or was that Merrywoman? They're all so insignificant.) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Seriously though. The Chargers aren't who they were the first weeks of this season. If they do make it to the ALCS (assuming that's when they meet the Pats) I doubt either team will underestimate the other. I expect it to be a very tough game.

You want some help? Pick on #27, Hobbs. Don't even bother with Asante Samuels.

See ya in the post season.

han freak solo
12-28-2007, 11:12 PM
Originally posted by Copperhead311th:
Pro Football. Yawn BORING.

If it weren't for "trickeration" in college games they'd be pretty boring, too. Too bad college ball doesn't have a playoff system so the teams can prove their "rank" on the field instead of counting on voters opinions and speculation. You don't actually like the outcome of the BCS do you?



but honestly sping & cheating will only get ya so far.


That episode is what's recently in the news by who got caught. Pro and college ball have all done it. Just don't get caught, right?

LEBillfish
12-29-2007, 12:01 AM
huh, what?.......Is it baseball season again already? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Chris0382
12-29-2007, 07:48 AM
I feel if the make it to the superbowl they should wear the red shirts with the old style patriot helmets as they have never won a superbowl wearing that kit.

I_KG100_Prien
12-29-2007, 09:14 AM
Originally posted by Copperhead311th:
Pro Football. Yawn BORING.

Football season will offically be over for me this sunday when we beat Colorado in the "Weed Whacker" bowl. (ie Petro-Sun Independance Bowl)
After that no more sports for me till september.

As for the Pats "perfect season" great for them. but honestly sping & cheating will only get ya so far.

Which is why i stoped watching pro ball to begin with. that & they busted up my team after Joe Montana left. Stroids, bazillion doller saleries. These guys have noting to prove anymore. with endorsemnts and the fat *** contracts they get...3 seasons and they could retire for life. it's not about the game anymore in the NFL. it's all about the money.

With collage kids....it's do or die. they have everytghing to loose.

ok i'll get off my soap box now.


Preach on brother. Pro football is a joke, much like any of the professional sports these days. Doesn't matter how good or bad they play, they still get their salaries, press time, and endorsements. I wouldn't care if all the T. Owens, Kobe Bryant, and Barry Bonds types died in a massive fire.

College ball is where its at. There is so much more atmosphere, pride, and give/take all that makes sports fun to watch.

GO TROJANS! (even if they didn't have a great season this year)

BoCfuss
12-29-2007, 09:40 AM
Originally posted by I_KG100_Prien:


GO TROJANS! (even if they didn't have a great season this year)

A bad season for the TROJANS, is a good season for most everyone else http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif I went to the Las Vegas Bowl this year, and the pregame fly over by two F-15Es was fantastic. College Football is by far superior to the N(Commercial)FL.

jadger
12-29-2007, 09:43 AM
Let's go PATS!!!!

Proud Pats fan since 1996, when I was 9 years old.

horseback
12-29-2007, 10:49 AM
Perfection means making it through the playoffs, and the Pats won't be surprising anybody who gets that far, the way they did a few times in the early season. The Colts' defense has made enormous strides this season; to me, they look like they may be the most underrated defending world champions of all time. That said, the Patriots (gag!) look like the heavy favorites.

This Chargers' fan will say nothing until my team has won a playoff game and broken the Marty Schottenheimer jinx. I will point out that even if the Pats win it all, they will have done it with two longtime San Diego stalwarts, Seau and Harrison (it's still amazing to me how quickly Rodney Harrison went from being a "dirty player" to a merely hard-nosed one once he got those lightning bolts off his noggin) and the greatest college defensive end to ever come out of my home university (Arizona), Teddy Bruschi (by the way, who traded Wes Welker to the Dolphins in the first place?- Yeah, it was San Diego. Marty didn't think he was as good a receiver or punt returner as Eric Parker). I can't begrudge those guys, but if Tom Terrific and Randy (Elbows) Moss happen to go down in flames...well, I could hardly object to that either.

By the way, I hated the Dolphins back in the seventies too. Unlike some, I remember that they won the AFC Championship over a Steelers team that had been badly weakened by the flu in the sixteenth game of their 'perfect' season.

Luck is always a factor in these things. Who can say if the '72 Dolphins would be as much of an icon if Terry Bradshaw (among others) hadn't spent so much time ralphing on the sideline during that game?

cheers

horseback

VMF-214_HaVoK
12-29-2007, 11:09 AM
I only have the strength to focus on my Steelers at the moment. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Gawd do I hate the Pats, I really hope NYG pulls something off!

horseback
12-29-2007, 11:11 AM
Originally posted by I_KG100_Prien:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Copperhead311th:
Pro Football. Yawn BORING.

Football season will offically be over for me this sunday when we beat Colorado in the "Weed Whacker" bowl. (ie Petro-Sun Independance Bowl)
After that no more sports for me till september.

As for the Pats "perfect season" great for them. but honestly sping & cheating will only get ya so far.

Which is why i stoped watching pro ball to begin with. that & they busted up my team after Joe Montana left. Stroids, bazillion doller saleries. These guys have noting to prove anymore. with endorsemnts and the fat *** contracts they get...3 seasons and they could retire for life. it's not about the game anymore in the NFL. it's all about the money.

With collage kids....it's do or die. they have everytghing to loose.

ok i'll get off my soap box now.


Preach on brother. Pro football is a joke, much like any of the professional sports these days. Doesn't matter how good or bad they play, they still get their salaries, press time, and endorsements. I wouldn't care if all the T. Owens, Kobe Bryant, and Barry Bonds types died in a massive fire.

College ball is where its at. There is so much more atmosphere, pride, and give/take all that makes sports fun to watch.

GO TROJANS! (even if they didn't have a great season this year) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>College football is the real joke. After watching my Arizona Wildcats getting jobbed year in and year out by the Pac 10's officials in games with the California teams in both football and basketball, I'm done with it. Teddy Bruschi's 'Desert Swarm' teams in '93 were flat out robbed of a national title by blatantly biased Pac 10 officiating in the UCLA and Cal games the year they went to the Fiesta Bowl and thumped Miami 29-0 instead of getting a shot at the Orange Bowl.

The reality is that pro sports have a better budget & means for keeping their officiating crews, coaches, and players honest (and even they still have chinks in their armor) and the college game is riddled with integrity challenged coaches (like the fellow who dumped the Dolphins for Alabama, for instance), officials, and players.

I'll take the pros any day. At least they can fine or suspend the cheaters (including the players) and make them pay a real price for breaking the rules.

cheers

horseback

R_Target
12-29-2007, 11:16 AM
...it's still amazing to me how quickly Rodney Harrison went from being a "dirty player" to a merely hard-nosed one once he got those lightning bolts off his noggin...

That whole secondary gets away with murder. Especially when they play in Foxborough. Plus the Pats have their secret weapon.

http://www.fifteenkey.com/uploaded_images/bechickspyvision-734844.jpg

DuxCorvan
12-29-2007, 11:18 AM
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darkhorizon11
12-29-2007, 11:56 AM
As a Pats fan... theres nothing negative said in this forum that wasn't said in weeks 3, 5, 15 and every week earlier this season... There's plenty of blueprints out to be the Pats... yet... still undefeated.

Despite all the **** thats been talked I'll hold my tongue about the other teams. But they better have more than just a basic blueprint... and they better be ready for a fight, oh and guaranteeing victory isn't a good idea either... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

VF-17_BOOM
12-29-2007, 12:40 PM
Ohhhh how the once mighty have fallen!!!it was just 1 yr ago my beloved Chicago Bears were dismantling teams at will!!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v27/badaboom/Urlacher_Thumb.jpg

I hope the Pats win and put an end to the Dolphins lone record of 16-0

Copperhead311th
12-29-2007, 05:05 PM
Originally posted by han freak solo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Copperhead311th:
Pro Football. Yawn BORING.

If it weren't for "trickeration" in college games they'd be pretty boring, too. Too bad college ball doesn't have a playoff system so the teams can prove their "rank" on the field instead of counting on voters opinions and speculation. You don't actually like the outcome of the BCS do you?



but honestly sping & cheating will only get ya so far.


That episode is what's recently in the news by who got caught. Pro and college ball have all done it. Just don't get caught, right? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm a huge backer of a playoof sytem in Collage football. the BCS system sucks monkey balls.
the way i i'd like to see it don'e in Div. 1A is by confer championship. Every conferance MUST go to a chamiponship system and the brackets are rotated each year. PAC 10 champs play the SEC champs. Big East Plays WAC, or the ACC os some other conferance. IF you win your conferance championship game you are, arguably the best team in your conferance.
the only down side to that is the SEC would be playing some one for a natioal tittle every year. lol maybe that's not a bad thing. lol

as for cheating.. i supose your right simce Auburn cheats thier asses off every year.

I_KG100_Prien
12-29-2007, 05:08 PM
I'll take the pros any day. At least they can fine or suspend the cheaters (including the players) and make them pay a real price for breaking the rules.

There is corruption and stupidity on all levels of sports. Frankly, the punishments for the garden variety offenses on the Pro level are jokes. Fines? You think someone who gets paid 10 million a year gives a **** about a $50k fine?

How about one of the college kids screwing up and getting his scholarship revoked, kicked off the team, and any hopes of going pro shot down the drain. I think that is more severe.

But anyway- I just find the college games more fun to watch. The most fun I've ever had going to a sporting event was a college ball game.

Though I will admit it's been fun watching old Brett Favre tear up the record book this season. About time he has a great season so he can retire lol. Will be a shame when he does though.

Oh, and Colts > Pats

Copperhead311th
12-29-2007, 05:22 PM
Originally posted by horseback:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by I_KG100_Prien:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Copperhead311th:
Pro Football. Yawn BORING.

Football season will offically be over for me this sunday when we beat Colorado in the "Weed Whacker" bowl. (ie Petro-Sun Independance Bowl)
After that no more sports for me till september.

As for the Pats "perfect season" great for them. but honestly sping & cheating will only get ya so far.

Which is why i stoped watching pro ball to begin with. that & they busted up my team after Joe Montana left. Stroids, bazillion doller saleries. These guys have noting to prove anymore. with endorsemnts and the fat *** contracts they get...3 seasons and they could retire for life. it's not about the game anymore in the NFL. it's all about the money.

With collage kids....it's do or die. they have everytghing to loose.

ok i'll get off my soap box now.


Preach on brother. Pro football is a joke, much like any of the professional sports these days. Doesn't matter how good or bad they play, they still get their salaries, press time, and endorsements. I wouldn't care if all the T. Owens, Kobe Bryant, and Barry Bonds types died in a massive fire.

College ball is where its at. There is so much more atmosphere, pride, and give/take all that makes sports fun to watch.

GO TROJANS! (even if they didn't have a great season this year) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>College football is the real joke. After watching my Arizona Wildcats getting jobbed year in and year out by the Pac 10's officials in games with the California teams in both football and basketball, I'm done with it. Teddy Bruschi's 'Desert Swarm' teams in '93 were flat out robbed of a national title by blatantly biased Pac 10 officiating in the UCLA and Cal games the year they went to the Fiesta Bowl and thumped Miami 29-0 instead of getting a shot at the Orange Bowl.

The reality is that pro sports have a better budget & means for keeping their officiating crews, coaches, and players honest (and even they still have chinks in their armor) and the college game is riddled with integrity challenged coaches (like the fellow who dumped the Dolphins for Alabama, for instance), officials, and players.

I'll take the pros any day. At least they can fine or suspend the cheaters (including the players) and make them pay a real price for breaking the rules.

cheers

horseback </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hold up Horseback, i like you. i respect you. but when you go trash talking Coach Sabin....thems fighing words. Dumped the dolphins? Jesus Christ man can ya blame him?!
there worthless. thier fans are worthless.
When the ship is going down and the capt. can't save her....ya head for the life rafts.
In other words....nick had a 109 on his tail was loosing E & the *******d plane was on FIRE.
He did the right thing and balied the hell out.
Fortuanly for us he had on his Crimson parachute. At the end of the day he did what any sane person would do. He put Terri & the Kids 1st, Nick 2nd and those booger eating morrons down in Miami last.
If someone offerd you a better job, with better salery and total control over you job, and more perks than you could ever ask for with full suport from everyone in the company...could you really walk away from that.

Coach Sabin will be succesfull here. He has our full admeration and support. If 92,128 fans packed in the stand and more getting turned away at the gates don't mean we suport our coach i don't know what else will. and that was just for thier SPRING PRACTICE GAME> and every sigle home game was a sell out this season. Tune in the game sunday night and look at the stands. i promis you'll see at least 70% of those seat filled with crimson & white.
Because of Nick we have the current #2 recruiting class in the country and in 2010 we'll be playing for the national championship.

Say what ya will but back off our coach. He's a good man & we're proud to have him. screw the Dolphins.

Copperhead311th
12-29-2007, 05:30 PM
Why do i feel like i just swallowed the Hook Line and bobber, reel & rod all in one bite? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

BillyTheKid_22
12-29-2007, 06:31 PM
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WWSensei
12-29-2007, 08:08 PM
Pats vs Giants?

Well, I view it like this....

It's like a war between two totalitarian nations--you don't care who wins you just hope there are lots of casualties.

Sorry, been in a pissy mood since my team went into a four game losing streak and gave away their season.

Disgruntled Saints Fan

han freak solo
12-29-2007, 08:15 PM
Nick Saban is a smart man for leaving the NFL. If he can do for Alabama what he did for LSU, Alabama may take over the SEC soon.

I do wish Saban was back at LSU though. Les Miles is one risk taking coach. So far, his return on risk has been pretty good. Especially the way the BCS and the rest of the top NCAA teams allowed LSU to kinda back into the title game.

Since my wife is from Baton Rouge, you can guess which team I watch every Saturday. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Back on topic, the Giants are giving the Pats a real game tonight. Pats 16 - Giants 28 with 5 minutes to go in the 3rd quarter. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

han freak solo
12-29-2007, 08:49 PM
Ooooooh.

Moss miss, then Moss catch and a 2 point conversion. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Pats 31 - Giants 28 with 11:06 left in the game.

Bearcat99
12-29-2007, 09:11 PM
Congrats Patriots fans on your team's UNDEFEATED season........ http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

han freak solo
12-29-2007, 09:19 PM
Pats 38 - Giants 35 with 1:04 left. Giants about to try the onside kick. Ahhhh, the Pats recovered the kick. What a game! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

R_Target
12-29-2007, 09:21 PM
Good game. So close. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

zardozid
12-29-2007, 09:25 PM
yes, yes, yes!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

horseback
12-29-2007, 09:28 PM
If someone offerd you a better job, with better salery and total control over you job, and more perks than you could ever ask for with full suport from everyone in the company...could you really walk away from that.
Absolutely...if I just promised my current employer and the team I was coaching that I'd be around to see it through. I'd like to think that my word means something, even if Ricky Williams did just fail another urine test.

But Saban isn't the only one by a long shot. What about that little weasel who just bailed on the fans in Atlanta? And like anyone who has had to fly Delta out of the East Coast, the very thought of Atlanta makes me want to spit, but the fans, the players and the ownership there got screwed.

And, as I've said, the college game is riddled with bad officiating, mercenary coaches and players, and pathetically corrupt oversight. I won't even go into the silly arsed BCS popularity contest. A team like Alabama that can get all its games at least regionally (and often nationally) televised is more likely to get a fair shake from the system than a 'small market' school like Arizona or San Diego State; getting a blatant shafting is therefore less likely for the Tide because it WILL be on Sports Center again and again.

No, the pro game can hit you in the pocket for cheating, dirty play, or even bad officiating (witness the NFL referee who was just fined a game check for getting too physical with a player)and favoritism for certain chosen teams is becoming less and less possible as the coverage becomes more complete. As the Commissioners become increasingly aware that the public won't pay for phony contests, the pro games will get fairer and better still.

I'm afraid the college game will continue to wallow in good ol' boy networks and bad officiating.

cheers

horseback

hsj41
12-29-2007, 09:57 PM
[WOW] Great game but the new england patriots are so great.[5 rings] it will happine[WOW] http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

woofiedog
12-29-2007, 10:06 PM
Quite the come back for the Pat's!

It looks like the playoff's are going to be Very interesting with these coming weeks.

Excellent game by both teams. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

R_Target
12-29-2007, 10:18 PM
It was the best sustained effort I've seen from the Giants all season. Dallas could still beat them.

jadger
12-29-2007, 10:47 PM
all you haters on us Pats are just jealous, simple as that. Colts... bring them on, it's too bad that the Colts are in the AFC with us Pats because it would be really nice to destroy them in the superbowl rather than the AFC championship. A little bit of schadenfreude, but one of my favourite football moments has got to be watching Peyton Manning cry on a big screen TV after the Pats beat them in the AFC finals a few years ago.

Copperhead311th
12-29-2007, 11:30 PM
Originally posted by horseback:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">If someone offerd you a better job, with better salery and total control over you job, and more perks than you could ever ask for with full suport from everyone in the company...could you really walk away from that.
Absolutely...if I just promised my current employer and the team I was coaching that I'd be around to see it through. I'd like to think that my word means something, even if Ricky Williams did just fail another urine test.

But Saban isn't the only one by a long shot. What about that little weasel who just bailed on the fans in Atlanta? And like anyone who has had to fly Delta out of the East Coast, the very thought of Atlanta makes me want to spit, but the fans, the players and the ownership there got screwed.

And, as I've said, the college game is riddled with bad officiating, mercenary coaches and players, and pathetically corrupt oversight. I won't even go into the silly arsed BCS popularity contest. A team like Alabama that can get all its games at least regionally (and often nationally) televised is more likely to get a fair shake from the system than a 'small market' school like Arizona or San Diego State; getting a blatant shafting is therefore less likely for the Tide because it WILL be on Sports Center again and again.

No, the pro game can hit you in the pocket for cheating, dirty play, or even bad officiating (witness the NFL referee who was just fined a game check for getting too physical with a player)and favoritism for certain chosen teams is becoming less and less possible as the coverage becomes more complete. As the Commissioners become increasingly aware that the public won't pay for phony contests, the pro games will get fairer and better still.

I'm afraid the college game will continue to wallow in good ol' boy networks and bad officiating.

cheers

horseback </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

AND DO YOU KNOW WHY WE'll be on ESPN? here's a few resons why.

1.Coach Paul w. "Bear" Bryant (http://www.rolltide.com/fls/8000/files/football/2007/supplement/71-117.pdf?&DB_OEM_ID=8000#page=3)Paul "Bear" Bryant

2.12 National Championships (http://www.rolltide.com/fls/8000/files/football/2007/supplement/71-117.pdf?&DB_OEM_ID=8000#page=4)

3.SEC conferance champions. (http://www.rolltide.com/fls/8000/files/football/2007/supplement/71-117.pdf?&DB_OEM_ID=8000#page=10)

4.More Bowl visits & wins than any other program (http://www.rolltide.com/fls/8000/files/football/2007/supplement/145-170.pdf?&DB_OEM_ID=8000#page=4)

5. Winning Tradtion (http://www.rolltide.com/fls/8000/files/football/2007/supplement/71-117.pdf?&DB_OEM_ID=8000#page=21)

6. Winning TV Broadcast Record (http://www.rolltide.com/fls/8000/files/football/2007/supplement/71-117.pdf?&DB_OEM_ID=8000#page=16)

and that's just for starters. Our program has earned that right. we are historically the best team in the country. USC/Mich, /Ohio St., none of the so called "Dynasty" teams are worthy enough to even sweep the stands @ Bryant-Denny.
As for Arizona and those other little schools you mention. when they've payed thier dues....thier time will come.
As for Alabama, we will always be in the spotlight. For one simple reason. Unlike all the others.....We have CLASS.

as for the SHAFTING part. Auburn got shafted in 04' for the tittle game becuse of those pac 10 media darlings. so i dont wanna heat that bull****. As much as i hate to admit it..the Aubs were the better team that year and could have went all the way.

Sergio_101
12-29-2007, 11:35 PM
Rejoice fellow Romans, we have un defeated GLADIATORS!
They have defeated beast and enemy alike. Much blood has been drawn
yet these Gladiators survive to this glorious day.

Yes people, US NFL FOOTBALL is a modern day facsimilie of an ancient
Roman gladiator contest in the Colleseum. Little different except
death and bloodshed is not supposed to occour.
It's like going back 2,000 years to watch the games in the theatres.

Weather you be Brit, French Russian, Chineese, enjoy the spectical of Empire.
300lb+ genetic misfits pumped up on steroids and HGH. Truly superhuman
men clash in a great gladiatorial combat for the people to enjoy.

I happen to care little about Football. But I can not escape
the comparison to ancient Rome.
Play "Enter the gladiators" as the players take the field.
Drink BEER and munch unleven bread with roast goat.
Let's go all the way, wear a toga.

BRING EM ON! ENTER THE GLADIATORS!

Sergio

Copperhead311th
12-29-2007, 11:43 PM
Originally posted by Sergio_101:
Rejoice fellow Romans, we have un defeated GLADIATORS!
They have defeated beast and enemy alike. Much blood has been drawn
yet these Gladiators survive to this glorious day.

Yes people, US NFL FOOTBALL is a modern day facsimilie of an ancient
Roman gladiator contest in the Colleseum. Little different except
death and bloodshed is not supposed to occour.
It's like going back 2,000 years to watch the games in the theatres.

Weather you be Brit, French Russian, Chineese, enjoy the spectical of Empire.
300lb+ genetic misfits pumped up on steroids and HGH. Truly superhuman
men clash in a great gladiatorial combat for the people to enjoy.

I happen to care little about Football. But I can not escape
the comparison to ancient Rome.
Play "Enter the gladiators" as the players take the field.
Drink BEER and munch unleven bread with roast goat.
Let's go all the way, wear a toga.

BRING EM ON! ENTER THE GLADIATORS!

Sergio

is it just me or am i sensing some very anti-American undertones in this post?
Surly Sergio you not sugjeting that my country is an imperalistic power that worships "300lb+ genetic misfits pumped up on steroids".

Lemme guess. you're one of those small demunitive, emotional, liberal type guys who despises viloence and has a cat right?

that's ok. you can go back to your romance novels. we'll finsih discussing our national past time with out you. it's ok. really.

roybaty
12-30-2007, 06:30 AM
Good game, the Giants made the Pats work for it but all the better a victory over a competent foe.

They just didn't think Brady would use the same play twice after the first one slipped through Moss' fingers, that was a huge mistake.

Clipper_51
12-30-2007, 09:10 AM
My NY Football Giants played a great, hard-fought game. There is hope for the playoffs! Congrats Pats!

WWSensei
12-30-2007, 09:43 AM
Originally posted by Copperhead311th:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Sergio_101:
Rejoice fellow Romans, we have un defeated GLADIATORS!
They have defeated beast and enemy alike. Much blood has been drawn
yet these Gladiators survive to this glorious day.

Yes people, US NFL FOOTBALL is a modern day facsimilie of an ancient
Roman gladiator contest in the Colleseum. Little different except
death and bloodshed is not supposed to occour.
It's like going back 2,000 years to watch the games in the theatres.

Weather you be Brit, French Russian, Chineese, enjoy the spectical of Empire.
300lb+ genetic misfits pumped up on steroids and HGH. Truly superhuman
men clash in a great gladiatorial combat for the people to enjoy.

I happen to care little about Football. But I can not escape
the comparison to ancient Rome.
Play "Enter the gladiators" as the players take the field.
Drink BEER and munch unleven bread with roast goat.
Let's go all the way, wear a toga.

BRING EM ON! ENTER THE GLADIATORS!

Sergio

is it just me or am i sensing some very anti-American undertones in this post?
Surly Sergio you not sugjeting that my country is an imperalistic power that worships "300lb+ genetic misfits pumped up on steroids".

Lemme guess. you're one of those small demunitive, emotional, liberal type guys who despises viloence and has a cat right?

that's ok. you can go back to your romance novels. we'll finish discussing our national past time with out you. it's ok. really. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well Copper, aside from your Alabama worship problem (hint: my son goes to LSU so that's purely an SEC competitive, friendly slam ;-)) you'll find most non-Americans don't understand the sport and prefer soccer--where instead of the "gladiators" performing their physical feats they prefer the fans to riot and their referees have to carry sidearms when they red card someone. ;-) You are also guilty of "Posting As An American" which in this day an age is supposed to be a big no-no. Just being an American offends many people you know...

And of course, we know other countries have never had issues with steroid use or artificially enhancing their favorite folks--it's not like they've had to test their athletes to see if they were male or female or had entire teams disqualified from certain events. No, their sports are always pure and pristine and never have a blemish.

In America we do our riots proper-like. we wait until Our Favorite Team wins a championship and then we cut loose on the streets.

Bewolf
12-30-2007, 09:50 AM
Originally posted by heywooood:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v250/heywooood/LT.jpg

keep winning - my Chargers want to ruin your Patsies in the AFC title game

You sure that is "foot" "ball"?

Looks more like handmelon http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Blutarski2004
12-30-2007, 10:05 AM
I suffered through 30 years of New England professional football that resembled nothing so much as the Three Stooges -

The Sullivan family used car lot management of the Pats organization.

The sorriest, cheapest, rattiest football stadium on earth - when they actually had one to call their own.

Joe Kapp, the only QB in professional football unable to throw a spiral.

Calling out a spectator [previously cut player] from the stands to dress and play in the very game he had paid to see.

Unceremoniously dumping QB Doug Flutie after he played his heart out over the entire season to actually put the Pats into the play-offs and replacing him with "Champagne" Tony Eason, who immediately fell apart in the play-offs

Nine seasons of Drew Bledsoe choking in the clutch.

- - -

I don't recall getting any sympathy notes back then from other cities. Sorry all you Patriots haters out there - but it's our time now. This team, from ownership down to the cheerleading squad is class act that will very probably [we'll know in 3 more games] be remembered as one of the greatest franchise operations in professional sports history.

... And"Camera-gate" has been nothing more than an easy out for an intellectually lazy, sensationalism minded national sports media to latch on to.

GO PATS 19-0.

Blutarski2004
12-30-2007, 10:07 AM
Originally posted by Clipper_51:
My NY Football Giants played a great, hard-fought game. There is hope for the playoffs! Congrats Pats!



..... The Giants definitely showed up to play. Hats off to them. It was a great game.

luftluuver
12-30-2007, 10:11 AM
Sep 1 Western Carolina Won 52-6
Sep 8 @Vanderbilt Won 24-10
Sep 15 Arkansas Won 41-38
<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">Sep 22 Georgia Lost 23-26</span>
<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">Sep 29 @Florida St. Lost 14-21</span>
Oct 6 Houston Won 30-24
Oct 13 @Mississippi Won 27-24
Oct 20 Tennessee Won 41-17
<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">Nov 3 LSU Lost 34-41</span>
<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">Nov 10 @Mississippi St. Lost 12-17</span>
<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">Nov 17 La.-Monroe Lost 14-21</span>
<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">Nov 24 @Auburn Lost 10-17</span>
Dec 30 Colorado 8:00pm

SEC
East Conf. W-L Overall W-L
Georgia 6-2 10-2
Tennessee 6-3 9-4
Florida 5-3 9-3
Kentucky 3-5 7-5
South Carolina 3-5 6-6
Vanderbilt 2-6 5-7

West Conf. W-L Overall W-L
LSU 7-2 11-2
Auburn 5-3 8-4
Arkansas 4-4 8-4
Mississippi St. 4-4 8-5
<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">Alabama 4-4 6-6</span>
Mississippi 0-8 3-9

knightflyte
12-30-2007, 11:11 AM
Originally posted by Blutarski2004:
I suffered through 30 years of New England professional football that resembled nothing so much as the Three Stooges -

The Sullivan family used car lot management of the Pats organization.

The sorriest, cheapest, rattiest football stadium on earth - when they actually had one to call their own.

Joe Kapp, the only QB in professional football unable to throw a spiral.

Calling out a spectator [previously cut player] from the stands to dress and play in the very game he had paid to see.

Unceremoniously dumping QB Doug Flutie after he played his heart out over the entire season to actually put the Pats into the play-offs and replacing him with "Champagne" Tony Eason, who immediately fell apart in the play-offs

Nine seasons of Drew Bledsoe choking in the clutch.

- - -

I don't recall getting any sympathy notes back then from other cities. Sorry all you Patriots haters out there - but it's our time now. This team, from ownership down to the cheerleading squad is class act that will very probably [we'll know in 3 more games] be remembered as one of the greatest franchise operations in professional sports history.

... And"Camera-gate" has been nothing more than an easy out for an intellectually lazy, sensationalism minded national sports media to latch on to.

GO PATS 19-0.


LOL Foxboro Stadium....LOL he only way you knew you were in the right 'SEAT' was from the lines and numbers painted on metal benches. Some guy with a wide load took half of my seat. LOL When it was a winter game your butt froze.

The best memory for Foxboro Stadium was the last game they played there against the Raiders. It was the ending of a football legacy ushering a new legacy.

It's funny now when you think about it, but that stadium was horrible.


Sadly Drew's career was affected more by Zampese and Carrol than his own faults. Any third grader knew the plays Zampese was going to call after two sets. He was so damn predictable it left Drew vulnerable. Carroll never strengthened the running game. He prefered pretty football where the jerseys were still white at the end of the game. Why do you think Sam Gash left so vehimently?

I can't remember the statistic accurately but didn't Drew get sacked 65ish times one year? Played with a messed up finger after surgury three days before? I liked Drew. He is one QB that is no better than the team around him. It's hard to carry a team with the craptastic supporting characters he had around him.

VMF-214_HaVoK
12-30-2007, 11:18 AM
Why do teams still refuse to jam Pat receivers at the line!! Ravens did it and shut them down for the most part but my Steelers failed to do so and so did NY and looked what happened. You give Moss a free release he will make you pay every single time. Gawd I do hate them so! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

S!

zardozid
12-30-2007, 11:29 AM
Originally posted by Clipper_51:
My NY Football Giants played a great, hard-fought game. There is hope for the playoffs! Congrats Pats!

agreed...


p.s. what a great game...it had everything.


<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">go, go pats!!!!</span>

knightflyte
12-30-2007, 11:29 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by VMF-214_HaVoK:
Why do teams still refuse to jam Pat receivers at the line!! Ravens did it and shut them down for the most part but my Steelers failed to do so and so did NY and looked what happened. You give Moss a free release he will make you pay every single time. Gawd I do hate them so! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif



I was wondering the same thing when the Pat's were in those tight games. Ravens dinked and dunked all they wanted. The reciever has to be disrupted at least a little to give the line a chance to get the QB.

You'd THINK that was fundamental DB 101.

R_Target
12-30-2007, 11:36 AM
Originally posted by VMF-214_HaVoK:
Why do teams still refuse to jam Pat receivers at the line!! Ravens did it and shut them down for the most part but my Steelers failed to do so and so did NY and looked what happened. You give Moss a free release he will make you pay every single time. Gawd I do hate them so! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

S!

I think the Giants backed off a bit after the interference call.

VF-17_BOOM
12-30-2007, 11:37 AM
WOW!!!!!! My hats off to both teams for providing a fantastic game!!!![finally one lived up to the hype]

Pats fans,don't get to comfortable there is yet another Manning yet to be faced!!!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v27/badaboom/2007_1223_hou_106_macht.jpg

Sergio_101
12-30-2007, 12:27 PM
Rejoice fellow Romans, we have un defeated GLADIATORS!
They have defeated beast and enemy alike. Much blood has been drawn
yet these Gladiators survive to this glorious day.

Yes people, US NFL FOOTBALL is a modern day facsimilie of an ancient
Roman gladiator contest in the Colleseum. Little different except
death and bloodshed is not supposed to occour.
It's like going back 2,000 years to watch the games in the theatres.

Weather you be Brit, French Russian, Chineese, enjoy the spectical of Empire.
300lb+ genetic misfits pumped up on steroids and HGH. Truly superhuman
men clash in a great gladiatorial combat for the people to enjoy.

I happen to care little about Football. But I can not escape
the comparison to ancient Rome.
Play "Enter the gladiators" as the players take the field.
Drink BEER and munch unleven bread with roast goat.
Let's go all the way, wear a toga.

BRING EM ON! ENTER THE GLADIATORS!

Sergio

Red White and Blue baby.
I am a former 8 year USAF vet and resident of the US.
Rome has moved many times.
Rome, Constantinople, Paris, London, and now Washington DC.

http://members.aol.com/buls233391/entrglad.mid

ENTER THE GADIATORS!

Sergio

han freak solo
12-30-2007, 12:54 PM
Dood, that's the past. Don't make Alabama seem like Notre Dame where tradition is the only reason a fake ranked team still gets every game nationally televised.

Alabama will earn their way back up, but they shouldn't be handed top position before it's due.


Originally posted by Copperhead311th:


AND DO YOU KNOW WHY WE'll be on ESPN? here's a few resons why.

1.Coach Paul w. "Bear" Bryant (http://www.rolltide.com/fls/8000/files/football/2007/supplement/71-117.pdf?&DB_OEM_ID=8000#page=3)Paul "Bear" Bryant

2.12 National Championships (http://www.rolltide.com/fls/8000/files/football/2007/supplement/71-117.pdf?&DB_OEM_ID=8000#page=4)

3.SEC conferance champions. (http://www.rolltide.com/fls/8000/files/football/2007/supplement/71-117.pdf?&DB_OEM_ID=8000#page=10)

4.More Bowl visits & wins than any other program (http://www.rolltide.com/fls/8000/files/football/2007/supplement/145-170.pdf?&DB_OEM_ID=8000#page=4)

5. Winning Tradtion (http://www.rolltide.com/fls/8000/files/football/2007/supplement/71-117.pdf?&DB_OEM_ID=8000#page=21)

6. Winning TV Broadcast Record (http://www.rolltide.com/fls/8000/files/football/2007/supplement/71-117.pdf?&DB_OEM_ID=8000#page=16)

roybaty
12-30-2007, 01:15 PM
I felt bad about the last Ravens game, I started wanting them to come back. That was a game where I saw a lot of heart and kinda felt bad the Pats won. That time out that was called made me wanna punch their def coordinator in the face (as did all of the Raven's bench)

Guys, where'd you get those torches? S-S-Stay back...stay back! Ahhhhhhhhhh! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

mortoma
12-30-2007, 08:00 PM
The pats are one of the most over-rated teams in NFL history. And there should be a record category for this, they would get it for sure.
Look at how easy their schedule has been!! Their opponents this season have a collective LOSING record!!! Whoopee, so they won against team like Miami and the Jets. The teams that they faced that were very good usually came close to beating them. They will fade way in the playoffs, where they will only face good teams. No more Jets or Miamis in the playoffs I'm afraid.

Add to that the fact they were caught cheating. And the penalty was a slap on the wrist.

R_Target
12-30-2007, 08:32 PM
Well, at least the Cowboys lost. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

JG52MadAdler
12-30-2007, 09:20 PM
I will hold off on commenting until the big game in January.
You will all swallow the chowda

Sergio_101
12-30-2007, 09:32 PM
Originally posted by mortoma:
The pats are one of the most over-rated teams in NFL history. And there should be a record category for this, they would get it for sure.
Look at how easy their schedule has been!! Their opponents this season have a collective LOSING record!!! Whoopee, so they won against team like Miami and the Jets. The teams that they faced that were very good usually came close to beating them. They will fade way in the playoffs, where they will only face good teams. No more Jets or Miamis in the playoffs I'm afraid.

Add to that the fact they were caught cheating. And the penalty was a slap on the wrist.

Not a football fan here, but lets do the numbers.
16 straight, a "perfect season".
As I see it over rated may be a strech.
Pat's played some good teams.
Hey, but there are no BAD teams in the NFL.
All those teams are made up of the best of the best.
All are supermen filtered down through College ball, High School ball etc.

Over rated.....
Pat's Beat the Colts, Ravens, Giants, Cowboys, Steelers, Chargers......
But reading your post would imply the Pat's played
only lame teams.

Pat's did not cheat by the way, it was a rule that everyone ignored.
And I'll guarentee it's still ignored.
Pats were just the first team to get caught.

After the best team in the history of NFL Football wins the Super Ball (Super bowl was named after the ball),
can we call the Pat's over rated then?

Sergio

BSS_Sniper
12-30-2007, 09:37 PM
I'm not really into hockey

Copperhead311th
12-30-2007, 09:46 PM
Originally posted by luftluuver:
Sep 1 Western Carolina Won 52-6
Sep 8 @Vanderbilt Won 24-10
Sep 15 Arkansas Won 41-38
<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">Sep 22 Georgia Lost 23-26</span>
<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">Sep 29 @Florida St. Lost 14-21</span>
Oct 6 Houston Won 30-24
Oct 13 @Mississippi Won 27-24
Oct 20 Tennessee Won 41-17
<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">Nov 3 LSU Lost 34-41</span>
<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">Nov 10 @Mississippi St. Lost 12-17</span>
<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">Nov 17 La.-Monroe Lost 14-21</span>
<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">Nov 24 @Auburn Lost 10-17</span>
Dec 30 Colorado 8:00pm

SEC
East Conf. W-L Overall W-L
Georgia 6-2 10-2
Tennessee 6-3 9-4
Florida 5-3 9-3
Kentucky 3-5 7-5
South Carolina 3-5 6-6
Vanderbilt 2-6 5-7

West Conf. W-L Overall W-L
LSU 7-2 11-2
Auburn 5-3 8-4
Arkansas 4-4 8-4
Mississippi St. 4-4 8-5
<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">Alabama 4-4 6-6</span>
Mississippi 0-8 3-9

HEY BUFFS! HEY BUFFS!
WE JUST BEAT THE HELL OUTA YOU!
RAMMER JAMMER YELLOW HAMMER!
GIVE EM HELL ALABAMA!

ROOOOOOLL TIDE ROLL!

INDEPENDANCE BOWL final
Bama 30 Colorado 24

as for what you posted....
we're still in a rebuilding year.
yeah we finished we lost six games.
we got robed by Georgia, Ms State & LSU & Auburn. All 4 games we should have won & could have won. i doubt very serously we'll finnish less than 10/2 in 08.

reisen52
12-30-2007, 09:59 PM
Originally posted by mortoma:The teams that they faced that were very good usually came close to beating them.

But they didn't. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

knightflyte
12-30-2007, 10:50 PM
Originally posted by mortoma:
The pats are one of the most over-rated teams in NFL history. And there should be a record category for this, they would get it for sure.
Look at how easy their schedule has been!! Their opponents this season have a collective LOSING record!!! Whoopee, so they won against team like Miami and the Jets. The teams that they faced that were very good usually came close to beating them. They will fade way in the playoffs, where they will only face good teams. No more Jets or Miamis in the playoffs I'm afraid.

Add to that the fact they were caught cheating. And the penalty was a slap on the wrist.



Let me know how they would have implimented the camera/defensive play calling during the confines of the game, and I'll give your whiny rant some merit. Till then you're just crying in your Maypo.

I mean, which is it? That they cheated and that made them win? Or was it terrible teams and an easy schedule? Take your pick.

Let's see.

Dallas? check.

Indy? check.

Pittsburg? check.

Chargers? check.

Giants? check.

Redskins? check.


Last time I checked they were all playoff bound teams.

They blow out teams and get accused of running up the score. they squeek by a few games and they're over rated. LOL

Oh well. I know I'll enjoy the play offs. If another team beats them then I salute them and wish 'em well.



oh, and you don't think half a Million is a big punishment? A first round draft pick?

They won 21 in a row. Been to the Super Bowl three times and won with very good but NOT superstar talent.

They've broken almost every record a team can beat in one year.

Untill last night the defense allowed about 15.6 points per game.



(I'm getting crusty. I usually don't take the bait. LOL Have a good one Mortima. LOL)

ljazz
12-31-2007, 06:24 AM
As far as the cheating goes.....

Dan Marino said earlier in the season (on Inside the NFL) that all of the teams are trying to intercept and decipher the signals..... They always have and always will. Pats problem is they got caught. I read elsewhere back when all this happened, that some teams have people dedicated to doing nothing but catch the signals.

If anything the Pats were on the short end of the stick for the rest of the season, because of closer scrutiny.

And as far as Brady is concerned....
When its all said and done, he'll be recognized as one of the games greatest (if not the greatest).

BTW, what's the average age of the Pats defense anyway?..... 105?

BTW, I'm a Titans fan, not a Pats fan. But you gotta give up some luv for the M Go Blue alumni.

ljazz

luftluuver
12-31-2007, 07:28 AM
Speaking of hockey.

The Canadian junior age players went 20 games undefeated. Sunday they lost to Sweden who hasn't beaten them since 1998.

Not bad for a bunch of kids who don't play together and have a different roster every year. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

han freak solo
12-31-2007, 08:01 AM
Originally posted by R_Target:
Well, at least the Cowboys lost. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Here's to hoping the Cowboys lose one more time this season! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif

I'm not a Patriots fan either, but I hope they continue their historic run representing the AFC. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

As far as the "overrated" comment posted elsewhere, that's what I love about the NFL. Ratings don't mean squat compared to college ball. An NFL team might get some favorable matchups one season or another, but the teams still get the opportunity to prove themselves on the field.

Blutarski2004
12-31-2007, 09:42 AM
re video-taping, Mangini and the Jets were caught doing exactly the same thing in Foxboro the previous season. The Pats gave them a pass and did not make anything out of it - just told them to move their camera guy.

Mangini, having been nabbed with his own hand in the film can, now claims that the Patriots had given the Jets "permission". And, if you go over the coverage in detail, you'll disover that the Jet themselves have been caught at it by more teams than just the Patriots.

The whole thing was a completely lame attempt at gamesmanship by Mangini.

mortoma
12-31-2007, 08:34 PM
Ok let's look at the real math here. The Pats have played teams this year with a significantly losing record as I mentioned up thread. Here's the figures, overall the record of their opponents collectively is 120/136!!! While the Colts only lost two games ( we won't count the loss to Tenn. ) while playing teams that have a collective record of 132/124!!! This makes the record of the Colts look better than the record of the Pats. The Colts only lost two games that meant anything ( and they were close ) and didn't even try to win their last game against Tenn. because they didn't care. Because they wanted to rest thier starters. And Reggie Wayne has more receiving yards in the regular season than Moss does!! But of course you didn't hear much about Reggie Wayne, only Moss. Screw the Pats and the media loyalty to them.

I also think that Brady's passing is misleading, not only due to the fact that he played against defensively easy teams ( overall/average ) but they are almost a pure passing club. While Indianapolis has developed into a two dimensional offense that runs the ball far more than they use to when Manning was setting records. So if the Colts were pure pass like they used to be and like the Pats are now, I am sure that Manning would have better stats than Brady or about the same as Brady.

Ok, adding an edit here: It's also significant to point out the number of teams with winning or tied records faced by the Colts as opposed to the Pats. The Colts played against nine teams with winning or tied records but the Pats only face seven!! If the Pats had faced as tough of a season as the Colts, almost no doubt they would not have a 16-0 record.

Plus the Colts did what they did while being one of the most banged up and injured teams in the entire NFL!! Lets's face it, the Pats are in the softest division in the AFC. Probably the softest in the NFL or close to it.

knightflyte
01-01-2008, 12:23 AM
Originally posted by mortoma:
Ok let's look at the real math here. The Pats have played teams this year with a significantly losing record as I mentioned up thread. Here's the figures, overall the record of their opponents collectively is 120/136!!! While the Colts only lost two games ( we won't count the loss to Tenn. ) while playing teams that have a collective record of 132/124!!! This makes the record of the Colts look better than the record of the Pats. The Colts only lost two games that meant anything ( and they were close ) and didn't even try to win their last game against Tenn. because they didn't care. Because they wanted to rest thier starters. And Reggie Wayne has more receiving yards in the regular season than Moss does!! But of course you didn't hear much about Reggie Wayne, only Moss. Screw the Pats and the media loyalty to them.

I also think that Brady's passing is misleading, not only due to the fact that he played against defensively easy teams ( overall/average ) but they are almost a pure passing club. While Indianapolis has developed into a two dimensional offense that runs the ball far more than they use to when Manning was setting records. So if the Colts were pure pass like they used to be and like the Pats are now, I am sure that Manning would have better stats than Brady or about the same as Brady.

Ok, adding an edit here: It's also significant to point out the number of teams with winning or tied records faced by the Colts as opposed to the Pats. The Colts played against nine teams with winning or tied records but the Pats only face seven!! If the Pats had faced as tough of a season as the Colts, almost no doubt they would not have a 16-0 record.

Plus the Colts did what they did while being one of the most banged up and injured teams in the entire NFL!! Lets's face it, the Pats are in the softest division in the AFC. Probably the softest in the NFL or close to it.



Ultimately it's the W in the left column that matters. Yards don't matter. TDs do. It could be 10 TDs or it could be 50 TDs.

If we must look at yards then you have to realize the Pats defence was pretty dominating. Untill Sundays game they were averaging 15.6 points per game. I'm not sure about the turnover percentages, but Brady had about 7 INTs this year. Many a team ended up punting the ball back to the Pats, thus giving them a shorter field, therefore less passing yards.

The running game was fractured this year. Mulrony was out a few games, and still wasn't 100 percent. (I'm not even sure he was recovered from last years injury.) Morris has been out since the third game. Our tight ends have been through a revolving door of injury.

As far as the Pat's being a total passing club, (see above) but wasn't the Colts a pure passing club when he won the TD record in 05 (04 or 05?).

Ultimately I love this time of year in football. Records mean nothing. It's one game. You have to be at you best or you go home. Should be fun!!!! Good luck.

Go PATS!!!!!

BigKahuna_GS
01-01-2008, 03:43 AM
S!


http://www.fifteenkey.com/uploaded_images/bechickspyvision-734844.jpg

All of you missed the secret weapon here-no it's NOT the goggles it is the "Lucky Sweatshirt"
Belichick hasn't washed it for a year !


http://www.allthingsbillbelichick.com/images/photos/07talk1229.jpg
Brady coming over to "touch" the "Lucky Sweatshirt". After touching the Sweatshirt,
Brady returned to the field and threw a perfect 50yd TD strike to Moss.
Oh Yeah that's some strong Mojo !


Seriously though I was ALWAYS a Rams fan. It started when I was a little boy watching
the LA Rams on a black white TV set. My favorite Ram players were the "Fearsome Foursome"
Deacon, Merlin, Rosie & Lamar were my football heroes. When they moved to Anahiem and the Big "A" it ment my favorite team was all that much closer. After years of watching the Colts, Vikings (Tarkenten) and the Cowboys (Roger the Dodger) humilate my Rams playoff hopes along came the 79' Superbowl. That was the closest the Rams had come to winning it all in years. The Rams made a game of it but the combination of Bradshaw to Swann/Stallworth was too strong.

The Rams floundered during most of the 80's & 90's while Georgia tried a succesive string of broken down has beens at QB. Anybody remember Dieter Brock or bringing in Joe Namath with NO mobility ? Namath looked like he needed a walker. The only bright spot was Eric Dikerson and Georgia wouldn't pay him what he was worth.

I was hoping Georgia would sell the Rams but no she moved them to St.Louis. Later the notoriously cheap A$$ Georgia got totally lucky with an unkown stock boy named Kurt Warner. So after the Rams left, I needed a team, the 49ers and Joe Montana filled the void.

Montana is probably the best NFL clutch QB of all time and Brady is the closest thing to Montana.
Brady first showed his talent and coolness under fire when replacing Drew Bledsoe in the Superbowl against the heavily favored Rams. When I first saw Brady play I thought this kids got ice water in his viens, man he is good. Brady has the talent to be the best QB ever.

Maybe it was appropriate that after September 11th, 2001 a team named the Patriots won the Superbowl against heavy odds.

What is also amazing about Brady is that he is the 15th highest paid QB in the NFL. Sure he could of signed a 40-60 million dollar deal like Payton Manning but Brady decided to purposly
take a pay cut (lower salary) so that more money would be available under the salary cap to bring in what the Patriots needed --a top shelf reciever corps.

Brady is the ultimate teamate and the best NFL QB right now. Belichick is one hell of a coach
that has gotten the most out of both rookie and veteran players a like, such as Junior Seau who is on his 18th NFL season as a Linebacker. Heck the Pats almost won it last year with one of the
weakest recieving corps in the league.

The Planets, Players, & Coaches are all in alignment for the Pats to go 19-0.

Go Patriots !!!



__

Blutarski2004
01-01-2008, 07:03 AM
Originally posted by 609IAP_Kahuna:
Seriously though I was ALWAYS a Rams fan. It started when I was a little boy watching
the LA Rams on a black white TV set. My favorite Ram players were the "Fearsome Foursome"
Deacon, Merlin, Rosie & Lamar were my football heroes. When they moved to Anahiem and the Big "A" it ment my favorite team was all that much closer. After years of watching the Colts, Vikings (Tarkenten) and the Cowboys (Roger the Dodger) humilate my Rams playoff hopes along came the 79' Superbowl. That was the closest the Rams had come to winning it all in years. The Rams made a game of it but the combination of Bradshaw to Swann/Stallworth was too strong.

..... Them's was also the days of the "Iron Curtain Defense". That was a gerat Steelers team - one ofthe best ever IMO.




Montana is probably the best NFL clutch QB of all time and Brady is the closest thing to Montana.
Brady first showed his talent and coolness under fire when replacing Drew Bledsoe in the Superbowl against the heavily favored Rams. When I first saw Brady play I thought this kids got ice water in his viens, man he is good. Brady has the talent to be the best QB ever.

..... When I saw Brady play the first season, he reminded me of Montana for the very same "ice water" reason you mention above.




What is also amazing about Brady is that he is the 15th highest paid QB in the NFL. Sure he could of signed a 40-60 million dollar deal like Payton Manning but Brady decided to purposly
take a pay cut (lower salary) so that more money would be available under the salary cap to bring in what the Patriots needed --a top shelf reciever corps.

..... Nuff said.




Brady is the ultimate teamate and the best NFL QB right now. Belichick is one hell of a coach
that has gotten the most out of both rookie and veteran players a like, such as Junior Seau who is on his 18th NFL season as a Linebacker. Heck the Pats almost won it last year with one of the weakest recieving corps in the league.

The Planets, Players, & Coaches are all in alignment for the Pats to go 19-0.

Go Patriots !!! __


..... With respect to Mortoma'a comments, It might be apropos to point out that one of the big reasons why there is a disparity in the number of games played against winning teams is of course that the Pats didn't have to play against themselves. ;-)

HARRIER_401
01-01-2008, 11:42 AM
The Dolphins didnt cheat and if they did they didnt get caught. 16-0 is great but it is tainted.

knightflyte
01-01-2008, 12:07 PM
Originally posted by HARRIER_401:
The Dolphins didnt cheat and if they did they didnt get caught. 16-0 is great but it is tainted.


It aint tainted to those who KNOW what happened.


But for your enjoyment:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntw7G7enxEk



I have relatives in western PA. They sent me a 1979 Superbowl tee shirt way back then. Still got that sucker. I forgot all about it. Last time I wore it was during the 95 Superbowl. It didn't help the Steelers against the Cowboys.


Well stated Blutarski.

heywooood
01-01-2008, 01:10 PM
Belicheat cheated period...the sweatshirt looks like it needs washing but since the bum wearing it is dirty...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v250/heywooood/LT.jpg

don't worry - my Chargers will end it all for you soon enough

mortoma
01-01-2008, 07:39 PM
Even if Belichik didn't cheat he's still a lowly scum. His dour personality is absolutely vile and repulsive. I don't even think the media people like him too much.

JG52MadAdler
01-01-2008, 07:47 PM
Unless of course he was coaching your home team and they had three rings and were 16-0 and looking for another.

knightflyte
01-01-2008, 07:56 PM
Originally posted by mortoma:
Even if Belichik didn't cheat he's still a lowly scum. His dour personality is absolutely vile and repulsive. I don't even think the media people like him too much.



LOL. What do you know about his personality? What do any of us know about any coaches personality? Seriously. Talk football. Not personalities.

Vile and repulsive are pretty bad descriptions for someones character. I usually reserve those kind of adjectives for baby killers and corrupt politicians. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

han freak solo
01-01-2008, 07:57 PM
Originally posted by JG52MadAdler:
Unless of course he was coaching your home team and they had three rings and were 16-0 and looking for another.

Exactly. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

R_Target
01-01-2008, 07:59 PM
Belichik's a grouch, but I'm gonna guess that he can afford it.

Tator_Totts
01-01-2008, 08:26 PM
Originally posted by heywooood:
Belicheat cheated period...the sweatshirt looks like it needs washing but since the bum wearing it is dirty...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v250/heywooood/LT.jpg



don't worry - my Chargers will end it all for you soon enough

Heywood I use to have season tickets to the Chargers back in the 70's Back when Fauts, Winslow and Company had there heyday. Loved those tailgate partys there. Moved out of California was a sad day.


Gooooooooooo Chargers.

Tator_Totts
01-01-2008, 08:34 PM
Originally posted by Tator_Totts:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by heywooood:
Belicheat cheated period...the sweatshirt looks like it needs washing but since the bum wearing it is dirty...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v250/heywooood/LT.jpg



don't worry - my Chargers will end it all for you soon enough

Heywood I use to have season tickets to the Chargers back in the 70's Back when Fouts, Winslow and Company had there heyday. Loved those tailgate partys there. Moved out of California was a sad day.


Gooooooooooo Chargers. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

BigKahuna_GS
01-01-2008, 08:51 PM
Even if Belichik didn't cheat he's still a lowly scum. His dour personality is absolutely vile and repulsive. I don't even think the media people like him too much.

And you think the other NFL Coaches love talking to the media ?

They dread it --it's like going on a road trip with your mother in law in the back seat telling you how to drive--arggh.


Hya Haywood,

LT is an awesome running back. I catch a few Charger games at Qualcomm Stadium every year.



_

heywooood
01-01-2008, 09:57 PM
-S- Tatertots and Kahuna

Glad to see other Bolt fans on the boards...


This is the year http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v250/heywooood/LT.jpg

LT's coming for the VTL Trophy and trust me - this young man will not be denied a third time.

horseback
01-02-2008, 05:05 PM
Hope you're right heywooood, but they gotta whack the Titans first (and get past the Curse of Marty). Our Chargers haven't won a playoff game since Rodney Harrison's rookie year. Hopefully, Norv's tenures at Oakland and Washington have done for him what Belichek's tenure at Cleveland did for him; made him a genius.

It's about time ONE of Jimmy Johnson's former coordinators won the Big One.

On the plus side, this playoff season, the only game Marty Schottenheimer can blow is a round of golf. Has Atlanta signed him yet?

cheers

horseback

mortoma
01-02-2008, 05:08 PM
The New England Cheatriots will go down in the playoffs by some team. They are statistically due for a loss and the games when they played good teams were close and the blowouts fewer in the last few weeks. I say they are due for a loss and the playoffs are not a good time for that loss. I can't wait to see all the Cheatriot fans cry and moan.

mortoma
01-02-2008, 05:14 PM
Originally posted by JG52MadAdler:
Unless of course he was coaching your home team and they had three rings and were 16-0 and looking for another. I'd rather have Tony Dungy any day. Don't need 16 wins to make the playoffs and I think the Colts are only just starting towards more rings. Dungy is a nice guy with a nice personality and heart. Who would rather have something other than that? You can have Beli-whoever he is, the guy only comes out from under a rock for the games.

Blutarski2004
01-02-2008, 05:29 PM
Originally posted by mortoma:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG52MadAdler:
Unless of course he was coaching your home team and they had three rings and were 16-0 and looking for another. I'd rather have Tony Dungy any day. Don't need 16 wins to make the playoffs and I think the Colts are only just starting towards more rings. Dungy is a nice guy with a nice personality and heart. Who would rather have something other than that? You can have Beli-whoever he is, the guy only comes out from under a rock for the games. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


..... Dungy is a great coach and the Colts are a terrific team that will definitely pose serious challenge in the play-offs. As far as Bill Belicheck's personality is concerned, you really don't know the guy at all.

It's kind of sad that you are watching football history being made, yet are unable to give appreciae it. You seem to be rather too fixated on this whole "cameragate" foolishness, which IMO says a lot mor about Eric Mangini than it does about Bill Belicheck.

I may be a Patriots supporter, but that doesn't mean that I don't appreciate great performances by other teams - the Lombardi Packers, the Shula Dolphins teams, Tex Schram's Cowboys, the great Montana/Rice 49'ers, Chuck Knox's Steelers, and yes, even Broadway Joe and the Jets.

It's a shame really.

heywooood
01-02-2008, 07:13 PM
Mangenius worked for Belicheck as a coordinator...learned from his master...

And since we are on the subject of cheating - the main point of emphasis that seems to be missed everytime is the part Brady had to play...lets face it - Belicheat had one or two offensive players mic'd up for games (lets face it - Brady was one) - so he could get the opposing defensive signals clearly recorded - then videotaped and recorded the opposing coaches play calls - then matched everything up to the photographs (pre snap, snap and post snap) that are allowed - those b/w pics the coaches and players look at on the sidelines when they are off the field...All of that info together would give a team a rediculously lopsided advantage yes?

and the one person on offense who these slimey cheaters are sharing that info with is...Brady.

The star QB with the perfect record - the deadbeat dad - the one who gets signals called into his helmet (along with whatever other cheaterish info his mentor has illicitly gained) and yet no one seems to want to realise just how involved he had/has to be - for this kind of cheat to be effective.

Brady is and likely has been for the entire Belicheat tenure...a huge sham and a cheater of historic proportions - to mention that POS in the same breath as Bradshaw, Montana or Farve is like talking about Barroids in the same breath as Ruth or Dimaggio or Gwynn


but thats ok - the higher he climbs - the harder he will fall....and it will right many wrongs when the AFC title game ends with my Chargers stomping the Patsie logo on their way to Phoenix

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v250/heywooood/LT.jpg
and here's LT to knock Bradycheats ladder over...

JG52MadAdler
01-02-2008, 09:50 PM
LT is that you http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif ?

Blutarski2004
01-03-2008, 06:28 AM
I'll say this for you, Heywooood: you have a feverishly inventive imagination.

RK_Achilles
01-03-2008, 08:12 AM
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/09/07/sports/colts600.jpg

Blutarski2004
01-03-2008, 01:51 PM
Belicheck named Coach of the Year!

Sanity prevails.

Tator_Totts
01-03-2008, 01:57 PM
Originally posted by heywooood:
Mangenius worked for Belicheck as a coordinator...learned from his master...

And since we are on the subject of cheating - the main point of emphasis that seems to be missed everytime is the part Brady had to play...lets face it - Belicheat had one or two offensive players mic'd up for games (lets face it - Brady was one) - so he could get the opposing defensive signals clearly recorded - then videotaped and recorded the opposing coaches play calls - then matched everything up to the photographs (pre snap, snap and post snap) that are allowed - those b/w pics the coaches and players look at on the sidelines when they are off the field...All of that info together would give a team a rediculously lopsided advantage yes?

and the one person on offense who these slimey cheaters are sharing that info with is...Brady.

The star QB with the perfect record - the deadbeat dad - the one who gets signals called into his helmet (along with whatever other cheaterish info his mentor has illicitly gained) and yet no one seems to want to realise just how involved he had/has to be - for this kind of cheat to be effective.

Brady is and likely has been for the entire Belicheat tenure...a huge sham and a cheater of historic proportions - to mention that POS in the same breath as Bradshaw, Montana or Farve is like talking about Barroids in the same breath as Ruth or Dimaggio or Gwynn


but thats ok - the higher he climbs - the harder he will fall....and it will right many wrongs when the AFC title game ends with my Chargers stomping the Patsie logo on their way to Phoenix

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v250/heywooood/LT.jpg
and here's LT to knock Bradycheats ladder over...

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

http://web.comporium.net/~mringler/Chargers/6.jpg
Super Chargers
http://www.chargers.com/assets/002/11568.mp3

Tator_Totts
01-03-2008, 03:34 PM
http://web.comporium.net/~mringler/belli.jpg

han freak solo
01-03-2008, 05:49 PM
Originally posted by Tator_Totts:
http://web.comporium.net/~mringler/belli.jpg

D@mn, that looks rather ghey. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

knightflyte
01-03-2008, 06:10 PM
Originally posted by han freak solo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Tator_Totts:
http://web.comporium.net/~mringler/belli.jpg

D@mn, that looks rather ghey. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>



I thought he was a fudge Packer instead of a charger.

heywooood
01-03-2008, 06:29 PM
we'll see who looks ghey after Merriman smashes lil' Bradygirl to pieces...if the Patsies can get past the Jags that is...

JG52MadAdler
01-03-2008, 07:45 PM
Yeah Mr. Lights out has been a real factor in the last two games. LOL
The Chargers still have to win a play off game period. I mean C-mon!
Id be worried about the Bolts getting by the Titans.
I just like football and I know anything can happen on any given Sunday. You would think the trash talkers would have learned how incredibly stupid they look when their team goes down in flames.

heywooood
01-03-2008, 07:59 PM
yeah - it'll be Chargers v Jacksonville for the AFC title...what was I thinking

JG52MadAdler
01-03-2008, 08:06 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

horseback
01-03-2008, 08:14 PM
Absolutely agree that the Chargers have yet to win a playoff game since 1994, MadAdler, but Merriman does a bit more for the Chargers than merely tackle quarterbacks. He is, after all, a linebacker, not a defensive end, and he's on his way to his third Pro Bowl on the basis of his overall play.

As for the Chargers' chances, I feel fairly sure that Norv Turner won't be calling for a pass play on 4th and 11 from his opponents' 30 in the final quarter when he's already ahead by eight. My guess is that Norv will go for the field goal that would put it out of reach.

On paper, the Bolts are better, faster and stronger than the Titans. They'll be playing at home on time instead of three hours too early in Nashville, where they came back and whupped those same Titans a few weeks ago.

They seem to have had the Manning family's number ever since Eli declared himself too good to play in a small market West Coast backwater, so I like their chances of getting to the AFC championship <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">if they play up to their capabilities and the Colts and Titans play up to theirs.</span>

After that, we can look around and see if the Patriots are still around.

cheers

horseback

JG52MadAdler
01-03-2008, 08:37 PM
Nice post horseback.
I agree Merriman is a great player.
Based on performance in January there
is more reason to believe the Pats will be in the AFC Championship.
The Bolts still have to earn respect in the playoffs and win at least 0ne game.
But as I said any given Sunday could be Lights out for either team. "No pun intended"

heywooood
01-03-2008, 09:39 PM
fear of hanging ones 'hood' on his own teams' merits is what drove the Patsie coach to cheat, FEAR of losing...and it is that cheating that all of the Patsy success is rooted in and based on - Belicose didn't start his shanahanigans this year - according to his own disciple he has been "at it for years" - I would hazard to say 5 years at least...

I would rather take my Chargers and their courage to play their games 'straight up' than some cowardly, fearful method of tilting the tables any day of the week

Especially Sunday

enjoy your teams' tainted, false success - it is a sham and undeserved to say the least

16 and 0 has still never been done without this (*) as I'm sure Don Shula and his boys will remind everyone after the Patsies get crushed in the AFC title game (should they get past the Jags)...nice post Adler


Tator Totts - best song ever...and hooking it to this thread gets you a cold frosty beverage on heywooood

JG52MadAdler
01-03-2008, 09:47 PM
Bolts Motto

If you ain't losing a play off game
You ain't trying hard enough.
Sob, Sob,Sob, Sob,
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

heywooood
01-03-2008, 09:52 PM
we'll see....yesterdays gone.

this is a whole new season - or haven't you heard that about the playoffs before?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v250/heywooood/LT.jpg

LT and Co. are coming for all y'all and you wont like it

han freak solo
01-03-2008, 09:58 PM
Playoffs. Barack won the first round tonight, so I'll guess Barack will take on the Pats in the Super Bowl. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

Tator_Totts
01-03-2008, 11:14 PM
Tator Totts - best song ever...and hooking it to this thread gets you a cold frosty beverage on heywooood
Rgr that thanks. Here is my ticket Heywood.

http://web.comporium.net/~mringler/bowl.png

Heywood check this one out.

http://www.myspace.com/TIMZ

mortoma
01-04-2008, 10:18 AM
Back when the Cheatriots first got caught, Tony Dungy made a widely publicized comment, saying "It was a sad day for football".

He was right. What he didn't say, unlike many here in this thread, was that it was really innocent and that all the teams do it. Or that it really wasn't so bad if you "really knew what was going on". All the excuses and rationalization going in this thread is enough to make one ill!!

I think there's a huge difference between the characters of Dungy and Belichick.

mortoma
01-04-2008, 10:22 AM
Originally posted by Tator_Totts:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by heywooood:
Mangenius worked for Belicheck as a coordinator...learned from his master...

And since we are on the subject of cheating - the main point of emphasis that seems to be missed everytime is the part Brady had to play...lets face it - Belicheat had one or two offensive players mic'd up for games (lets face it - Brady was one) - so he could get the opposing defensive signals clearly recorded - then videotaped and recorded the opposing coaches play calls - then matched everything up to the photographs (pre snap, snap and post snap) that are allowed - those b/w pics the coaches and players look at on the sidelines when they are off the field...All of that info together would give a team a rediculously lopsided advantage yes?

and the one person on offense who these slimey cheaters are sharing that info with is...Brady.

The star QB with the perfect record - the deadbeat dad - the one who gets signals called into his helmet (along with whatever other cheaterish info his mentor has illicitly gained) and yet no one seems to want to realise just how involved he had/has to be - for this kind of cheat to be effective.

Brady is and likely has been for the entire Belicheat tenure...a huge sham and a cheater of historic proportions - to mention that POS in the same breath as Bradshaw, Montana or Farve is like talking about Barroids in the same breath as Ruth or Dimaggio or Gwynn


but thats ok - the higher he climbs - the harder he will fall....and it will right many wrongs when the AFC title game ends with my Chargers stomping the Patsie logo on their way to Phoenix

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v250/heywooood/LT.jpg
and here's LT to knock Bradycheats ladder over...

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

http://web.comporium.net/~mringler/Chargers/6.jpg
Super Chargers
http://www.chargers.com/assets/002/11568.mp3 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>The Chargers are literally in the same league as the Colts. But the Chargers are figuratively not in the same league as the Colts. In a healthy state, the Colts are also far deeper benchwise than both the Chargers and the Cheatriots.

Blutarski2004
01-04-2008, 12:14 PM
So now the argument expands to claim that Belicheck's entire success over eight seasons with the Patriots has been founded upon some sort of "cheating" that no one in professional football was able to detect until Eric Mangini decided to enlighten us all in game one of this season.

What a load of aromatic horse dung.

But, hey, whatever keeps you guys warm and cozy at night.

mortoma
01-04-2008, 02:20 PM
No wrong, you are being far too simplistic while suggesting your opponents in the argument are also simplistic. The fact that he is a successful coach has not been disputed. And I think that many of us would agree that he could be successful without cheating. Probably never needed to. But he still did and that is the point. While coaches like Dungy have had success and resisted this repugnant temptation. This is not an argument about Belichick's coaching prowess and knowledge of the game, just his character, which inarguably seems to fall short morally at times. His detached, standoffish and aloof personality has not won him friends either.

Blutarski2004
01-04-2008, 04:33 PM
Originally posted by mortoma:
No wrong, you are being far too simplistic while suggesting your opponents in the argument are also simplistic. The fact that he is a successful coach has not been disputed. And I think that many of us would agree that he could be successful without cheating. Probably never needed to. But he still did and that is the point. While coaches like Dungy have had success and resisted this repugnant temptation. This is not an argument about Belichick's coaching prowess and knowledge of the game, just his character, which inarguably seems to fall short morally at times. His detached, standoffish and aloof personality has not won him friends either.


..... The commissioner of the NFL was explicit that no cheating whatsoever was involved. AP just named Belicheck coach of the year with nearly 60 pct of the votes cast by national sports-writers. That tells the story for me. Claims that he owes his success to "cheating" are foolish. The entire "cheating" bit was nothing more than a concoction on the part of a sensationalist national sports media.

As for claims of a stand-offish or aloof personality, that's a matter of opinion. He's certainly not tolerant of stupid questions from stupid sports media types. Living in MA, I get to hear his weekly post-game media interviews on a regular basis; he is actually a very pleasant and engaging personality.

FA_Retro-Burn
01-04-2008, 06:03 PM
I don't care who wins the wild card. Green Bay is gonna stomp all over them! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

roybaty
01-04-2008, 06:15 PM
Wow I feel so proud...<sniffle> I started a long thread...<sniffle>

han freak solo
01-04-2008, 07:48 PM
Be proud, thread father. You may have created one of these . . .

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=2300

It's got cheating and everything. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif

JG52MadAdler
01-04-2008, 09:21 PM
Hey this puppy still has allot of life.
Wait until Sunday night. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

heywooood
01-04-2008, 09:46 PM
belichick cheated - was fined 500,00 and forfeited a first round draft pick (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3018338)

Ummm - the commish says it was cheating...and the fine says it was cheating and losing a first rounder doesn't happen when you j-walk so...

what the national media did by presenting that POS the coach of the year honors was circumvent any morality lessons a father might want to impart to his son and ridicule the outstanding efforts of the Packers head coach or the Browns coach or any of the other genuine candidates for that award - by swingin' from the nuts of Bill Belicheat because the Patsies attained an assterisked perfect season - great

heywooood
01-04-2008, 09:49 PM
sunday night the Chargers are going to begin preparations for the Colts...

and the Jax are going to sharpen their fangs for the Patsies

mortoma
01-04-2008, 10:04 PM
Originally posted by heywooood:
belichick cheated - was fined 500,00 and forfeited a first round draft pick (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3018338)

Ummm - the commish says it was cheating...and the fine says it was cheating and losing a first rounder doesn't happen when you j-walk so...

what the national media did by presenting that POS the coach of the year honors was circumvent any morality lessons a father might want to impart to his son and ridicule the outstanding efforts of the Packers head coach or the Browns coach or any of the other genuine candidates for that award - by swingin' from the nuts of Bill Belicheat because the Patsies attained an assterisked perfect season - great http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

JG52MadAdler
01-05-2008, 04:45 AM
Call it what you want the the Pats couldnt use the information to benefit in any way.
(Thats why it was stupid)

PS:Pats have SF 49ers 1st round pick this year. LOLOLOL

Blutarski2004
01-05-2008, 05:11 AM
Originally posted by heywooood:
belichick cheated - was fined 500,00 and forfeited a first round draft pick (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3018338)

Ummm - the commish says it was cheating...and the fine says it was cheating and losing a first rounder doesn't happen when you j-walk so...

what the national media did by presenting that POS the coach of the year honors was circumvent any morality lessons a father might want to impart to his son and ridicule the outstanding efforts of the Packers head coach or the Browns coach or any of the other genuine candidates for that award - by swingin' from the nuts of Bill Belicheat because the Patsies attained an assterisked perfect season - great


..... From the ESPN article which you have cited:

" "AS THE COMMISSIONER ACKNOWLEDGED, our use of sideline video had no impact on the outcome of last week's game. We have never used sideline video to obtain a competitive advantage while the game was in progress."

horseback
01-05-2008, 07:14 AM
The issue is CHEATING, not whether it does you any good "while the game was in progress." I'm sure the other teams that might have to play the Pats twice or more (playoffs) in a given year might not find much comfort in that G-string of an excuse.

Richard Nixon's supporters probably used the same excuse for Watergate; he didn't really have anything to gain by cheating, since he would have won handily in 1972 without it.

The fact remains that he literally disqualified himself for the Presidency because of his own paranoia and ethical lapses, and any accomplishments of his administration are tainted by those failures of character.

While you can argue that the Patriots' perfect season (so far) qualifies Belicheck as Coach of the Year over Romeo Crennel's resurrection of the Browns, Jack Del Rio's accomplishments in Jacksonville, or Mike McCarthy's job at Green Bay, the accomplishment is tainted in the eyes of most NFL fans.

cheers

horseback

Blutarski2004
01-05-2008, 09:24 AM
Originally posted by horseback:
The issue is CHEATING, not whether it does you any good "while the game was in progress." I'm sure the other teams that might have to play the Pats twice or more (playoffs) in a given year might not find much comfort in that G-string of an excuse.

Richard Nixon's supporters probably used the same excuse for Watergate; he didn't really have anything to gain by cheating, since he would have won handily in 1972 without it.

The fact remains that he literally disqualified himself for the Presidency because of his own paranoia and ethical lapses, and any accomplishments of his administration are tainted by those failures of character.

While you can argue that the Patriots' perfect season (so far) qualifies Belicheck as Coach of the Year over Romeo Crennel's resurrection of the Browns, Jack Del Rio's accomplishments in Jacksonville, or Mike McCarthy's job at Green Bay, the accomplishment is tainted in the eyes of most NFL fans.

cheers

horseback


..... Sorry Horseback, but spare me the Richard Nixon analogies. There is the dream world of official rule books and then there is the real world way that professional football is played on the field. Belicheck coaches a team that playsin in a professional football league. If he opts to forego doing what everyone else does, then he places his team at a distinct competitive disadvantage. The fact remains that nothing taped during the Jets game was used during that game to unfair advantage. What it does do is provide study material for detection of trends and styles. Belicheck's library of game tapes went back over more than a decade and included material on opposing coaches all the way back to their earliest days as assistant coaches. It's exactly the same thing as Patton reading Rommel's book. You study your opponent in order to gain a feeling for the manner in qhich he will respond to various situations.

This blogpost generally sums up my feelings about the matter -

Quote -

Every team in the league steals play calls and have been long, long before Belichick was a coach. Have you ever wondered why every coach in the league hides their conversations with their play cards when they speak? They do that because they know the other team is attempting to steal their scheme signals. One of the reasons Bill Walsh pre-scripted his first 20 offensive plays so the other team couldn't steal his plays. The league previously has issued memos to ALL the teams to stop the practice so it's not like this is anything new and the Patriots are not the only franchise guilty of employing this tactic. Rozelle and Tagliabue never paid much attention to enforcing the practice but it's obvious that Goodell wants everyone to know he is a tough, new, no-nonsense sheriff in town (re: Pac-man Jones, etc) and Belicheck is going to pay the price. The league should also be ashamed for the way it leaked out info about this debackle. Mangini will lose the respect of a lot of league coaches not so much for ratting out the Patriots but because it was motivated by the animosity between him and Belicheck. Ironically, the fued began because Mangini tried to steal Patriot coaches while he was being hired as the Jet coach and Belicheck accussed Mangini of taking a Patriot playbook and stealing the Patriots play signs . Why do you think Belicheck signed Vinny Testreverde ? Think about it. The bottom line is you win football games on the field. Period. Go Redskins!!!

- Unquote

mortoma
01-05-2008, 11:37 AM
Originally posted by JG52MadAdler:
Call it what you want the the Pats couldnt use the information to benefit in any way.
(Thats why it was stupid)

PS:Pats have SF 49ers 1st round pick this year. LOLOLOL Oh, so if i play a game of poker and I try to cheat and get information to help win but it ends up not helping, it's ok?? I wonder if they'd accept that excuse at one of those big Texas hold 'em tournaments?? I can just see it now, as a player tells the tournament officials that he did in fact peek at some other player's cards but could not use the information anyway. Ha!!! What a laugh!!!!

jadger
01-05-2008, 01:33 PM
Originally posted by mortoma:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG52MadAdler:
Call it what you want the the Pats couldnt use the information to benefit in any way.
(Thats why it was stupid)

PS:Pats have SF 49ers 1st round pick this year. LOLOLOL Oh, so if i play a game of poker and I try to cheat and get information to help win but it ends up not helping, it's ok?? I wonder if they'd accept that excuse at one of those big Texas hold 'em tournaments?? I can just see it now, as a player tells the tournament officials that he did in fact peek at some other player's cards but could not use the information anyway. Ha!!! What a laugh!!!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

no harm, no foul, get over it. Do you know why coach's cover their mouths when calling plays? to prevent the other team from knowing their play called. the cameras the Pats used were behind the bench in order to see the signals as they are being called. The signals are routinely changed up, so their is no point is stealing them as one game a hand signal may mean one thing, the next game it may mean another.


belichick cheated - was fined 500,00 and forfeited a first round draft pick

Ummm - the commish says it was cheating...and the fine says it was cheating and losing a first rounder doesn't happen when you j-walk so...

what the national media did by presenting that POS the coach of the year honors was circumvent any morality lessons a father might want to impart to his son and ridicule the outstanding efforts of the Packers head coach or the Browns coach or any of the other genuine candidates for that award - by swingin' from the nuts of Bill Belicheat because the Patsies attained an assterisked perfect season - great

Yes, so he was punished, but he overcame that and still had a perfect season. He has already served the penalty, it doesn't make the accomplishment any less great.

As for a message to your son, tell him that Bill Belichick showed his heart and kept on persevering and trying harder and harder, despite people insulting him and slandering him unfairly. The Pats encountered a road block and overcame it, would you rather teach your son to lie down and cry whenever something doesn't go perfectly the way he wants it?

mortoma
01-05-2008, 07:10 PM
The Pats put up the roadblock for themselves, now didn't they?? Don't give me sniffling baby talk like that.

horseback
01-05-2008, 07:57 PM
..... Sorry Horseback, but spare me the Richard Nixon analogies. There is the dream world of official rule books and then there is the real world way that professional football is played on the field. I believe the Nixon analogy is valid. The rules, like the law, cannot be mere guidelines.

I gave up on college sports because of the gross inequities inherent in 'the rich get richer' mentality that allows so-called 'established' teams or players to get away with murder.

Are you going to tell me that it didn't tick you off all those years that the Dolphins' offensive line got away with holding, legwhipping and biting just because they were blocking for the Legendary Dan Marino? In the AFC West, it was referred to as the 'Elway Rule', even when Joe Montana was getting the same kid-gloves treatment in KC.

That was the "real world" you're talking about, but it becomes increasingly less palatable in this age of multiple camara angles, instant replay, and round the clock coverage. Integrity of the product relies on the customers believing that the rules are the same for all the teams, and none of that **** about he's paid his dues, so he gets to manhandle the rookie or the guy from a 'smaller' TV market can fly any more.


Belicheck coaches a team that playsin in a professional football league. If he opts to forego doing what everyone else does, then he places his team at a distinct competitive disadvantage. The fact remains that nothing taped during the Jets game was used during that game to unfair advantage. What it does do is provide study material for detection of trends and styles. Belicheck's library of game tapes went back over more than a decade and included material on opposing coaches all the way back to their earliest days as assistant coaches. It's exactly the same thing as Patton reading Rommel's book. You study your opponent in order to gain a feeling for the manner in qhich he will respond to various situations. I believe that Rommel's book was published some years before Patton beat the Afrika Korps about the head and shoulders with it, and Rommel may have had some idea that his philosophy was available to the general public, since I assume he cashed the royalty checks.

Doing your homework is supposed to be based on what the other team reveals on the field; watching film, collecting statistics, reading the other coaches' books and articles in the professional journals (assuming that there are such things), not filming the way the other guys waggle their arms during the game and comparing that to what their players do on the field, especially from the stands behind the opposing bench.

As for the "everybody else does it" arguement, I can only pray that you have teenaged children who read your posts on this forum and quote them back to you at the least convenient moments.

Better yet, I hope your Mom reads your posts and is simultaneously cringing and dialing your number as she reads them...

cheers

horseback

heywooood
01-05-2008, 10:04 PM
-S- Horseback - you have it exactly...unfortunately the adled minds cant understand a clear analogy.

Patsie fans - this kind of cheating helps the perpetrator in subsequent meetings...I'm sure they would have used the info they gathered in that first meeting this year with the Jets in their second game...just as they have combined this kind of stuff with their regular preparations for all the other teams they would play during their season as well as any potential playoff opponent - and it has been going on for a long while.

Belicheat most likely has a library of this stuff on the teams in his own division as well as teams like the Colts, Steelers, Chargers etc...

I wonder how much time he has spent reviewing his Jacksonville collection - Del Rio has been their coach for a few years so I doubt much has changed from their last few meetings....
What a slimebag - and that goes for Bradycat too - he has to be in on this garbage for it to work.

I hope the Jags beat them down but lose to them - leaving them tattered and broken for my Chargers to finish off...how sweet that day will be and it's just around the corner...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v250/heywooood/LT.jpg

jadger
01-06-2008, 12:16 AM
Wow, you guys have no grasp on what happened. You hear the word "cheat" once in the media and you blow it out of proportion and don't even know what you're talking about, like an immature little kid you just keep saying "cheat cheat cheat" when someone tries to discuss this with you.


I believe that Rommel's book was published some years before Patton beat the Afrika Korps about the head and shoulders with it, and Rommel may have had some idea that his philosophy was available to the general public, since I assume he cashed the royalty checks

just like those previous games had been played months and years previously, every team watches the video of next game's opposition. Where it differed is that they had cameras in a position that the higher ups didn't like because then you could read lips and steal hand signals... which is already being done by other means, by every team. I'm not excusing what the Pats did, but it's not as big of a deal as you people make it out to be. You are trying to excuse away the fact that your whole team has less talent than Brady has in his pinky.



I hope the Jags beat them down but lose to them - leaving them tattered and broken for my Chargers to finish off...how sweet that day will be and it's just around the corner...

Because the Chargers can't beat them on an even playing field, they gotta be facing the back-ups and injured players before they can stand a chance, right? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif


The Pats put up the roadblock for themselves, now didn't they?? Don't give me sniffling baby talk like that.

Exactly what I meant, there are hundreds of whiny nay-sayers who are just haters who've jumped on the anti-pats bandwagon. They have to overcome this constant criticism and persevere, not lie down and give up like the Dolphins or.


Patsie fans - this kind of cheating helps the perpetrator in subsequent meetings...I'm sure they would have used the info they gathered in that first meeting this year with the Jets in their second game

As I said before, the signs routinely change, so it would help exactly nil in the next game against the same opposition. If the signs didn't change, by the 5th or 6th game of the season, everyone in the stands would know what they are calling.

mortoma
01-06-2008, 09:55 AM
Originally posted by heywooood:
-S- Horseback - you have it exactly...unfortunately the adled minds cant understand a clear analogy.

Patsie fans - this kind of cheating helps the perpetrator in subsequent meetings...I'm sure they would have used the info they gathered in that first meeting this year with the Jets in their second game...just as they have combined this kind of stuff with their regular preparations for all the other teams they would play during their season as well as any potential playoff opponent - and it has been going on for a long while.

Belicheat most likely has a library of this stuff on the teams in his own division as well as teams like the Colts, Steelers, Chargers etc...

I wonder how much time he has spent reviewing his Jacksonville collection - Del Rio has been their coach for a few years so I doubt much has changed from their last few meetings....
What a slimebag - and that goes for Bradycat too - he has to be in on this garbage for it to work.

I hope the Jags beat them down but lose to them - leaving them tattered and broken for my Chargers to finish off...how sweet that day will be and it's just around the corner...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v250/heywooood/LT.jpg Oh, so you automatically assume you'd get by the Colts?? Just because the Chargers beat the Colts by a hair miracle does not mean it will happen again. You are apparently very dismissive of the Colts and that is a mistake.
At the Colts current strength, they could beat the Chargers 7 out of 10 times in San Diego, about 8 times out of 10 in a neutral setting, and about 9 times out of 10 in Indianapolis. Guess where the Chargers would have to play Indy?? The game played in San Diego was a fluke more or less. We only have to worry about the Pats, not you guys!!! I estimate we only have about a 40% chance of beating the Cheatriots in their place in cold weather. It still is a fair chance. But the Chargers?? Gimme a break, pulllease!! No worries there.

han freak solo
01-06-2008, 04:35 PM
You only have one pic, heywood?


Originally posted by heywooood:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v250/heywooood/LT.jpg

knightflyte
01-06-2008, 04:43 PM
Good luck tonight, guys.

jadger
01-06-2008, 05:33 PM
Hey now, don't beat up on the Chargers, so what if tonight was their first playoff win since 1994, that's only ~5110 days, or 14 years. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif


I estimate we only have about a 40% chance of beating the Cheatriots in their place in cold weather. It still is a fair chance.

come on now, it will be fun watching Peyton Manning cry on a big screen TV again, just like a couple years ago as the cameramen zoomed in close on his face as he balled his eyes out on the field. Is that your only excuse/insult against the patriots? that they got caught cheating, Haha, and you have pretty boy Peyton as your QB, that's mighty hypocritical

Blutarski2004
01-06-2008, 07:15 PM
Originally posted by horseback:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">..... Sorry Horseback, but spare me the Richard Nixon analogies. There is the dream world of official rule books and then there is the real world way that professional football is played on the field. I believe the Nixon analogy is valid. The rules, like the law, cannot be mere guidelines.

I gave up on college sports because of the gross inequities inherent in 'the rich get richer' mentality that allows so-called 'established' teams or players to get away with murder.

Are you going to tell me that it didn't tick you off all those years that the Dolphins' offensive line got away with holding, legwhipping and biting just because they were blocking for the Legendary Dan Marino? In the AFC West, it was referred to as the 'Elway Rule', even when Joe Montana was getting the same kid-gloves treatment in KC.

That was the "real world" you're talking about, but it becomes increasingly less palatable in this age of multiple camara angles, instant replay, and round the clock coverage. Integrity of the product relies on the customers believing that the rules are the same for all the teams, and none of that **** about he's paid his dues, so he gets to manhandle the rookie or the guy from a 'smaller' TV market can fly any more.


Belicheck coaches a team that playsin in a professional football league. If he opts to forego doing what everyone else does, then he places his team at a distinct competitive disadvantage. The fact remains that nothing taped during the Jets game was used during that game to unfair advantage. What it does do is provide study material for detection of trends and styles. Belicheck's library of game tapes went back over more than a decade and included material on opposing coaches all the way back to their earliest days as assistant coaches. It's exactly the same thing as Patton reading Rommel's book. You study your opponent in order to gain a feeling for the manner in qhich he will respond to various situations. I believe that Rommel's book was published some years before Patton beat the Afrika Korps about the head and shoulders with it, and Rommel may have had some idea that his philosophy was available to the general public, since I assume he cashed the royalty checks.

Doing your homework is supposed to be based on what the other team reveals on the field; watching film, collecting statistics, reading the other coaches' books and articles in the professional journals (assuming that there are such things), not filming the way the other guys waggle their arms during the game and comparing that to what their players do on the field, especially from the stands behind the opposing bench.

As for the "everybody else does it" arguement, I can only pray that you have teenaged children who read your posts on this forum and quote them back to you at the least convenient moments.

Better yet, I hope your Mom reads your posts and is simultaneously cringing and dialing your number as she reads them...

cheers

horseback </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


..... Sorry HB, but, as I said before, there is the rule book, and then there is the way things really get done in the cruel hard world. That's what children inevitably learn when they leave their mothers' bosoms and enter said world. If you have followed professional sports for more than 10 minutes (which I know you have done), you know what I mean.

If you want to draw fine distinctions, here's one for you. Mangini and the Jets were caught last season at Gillette Stadium doing EXACTLY THE SAME THING as Belicheck was fined $500 grand for. The Patriots, however, simply told the Jets to get their guy off the field and made no more about it - no press conferences, no press releases, no leaks to the media, no official complaints to the league. Lucky Eric Mangini.

The value of the sort of film which was shot had nothing to do with the game in play or the signal methods (which are regularly changed anyways, even at halftime). It is a record of who talks to who before the play call is made, i.e. who actually makes the decision in given circumstances. It falls under trend analysis. That's what my professional football friends have told me.

Blutarski2004
01-06-2008, 07:19 PM
Congrats to the Chargers and the Giants on their play-off wins this weekend.

Sergio_101
01-06-2008, 07:21 PM
Originally posted by Blutarski2004:
Congrats to the Chargers and the Giants on their play-off wins this weekend.

Just more fresh meat for the Pats

heywooood
01-06-2008, 07:32 PM
Originally posted by han freak solo:
You only have one pic, heywood?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by heywooood:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v250/heywooood/LT.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It gets the point across so there is no need for another - there is after all, only one LT..

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v250/heywooood/LT.jpg
phase one is complete - phase two innitiated

han freak solo
01-06-2008, 07:51 PM
Here's another for variety, then. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

http://www.sfgate.com/blogs/images/sfgate/sportsevents/2006/09/29/TITANS_CHARGERS_FOOTBALL_CACC102300x414.jpg

JG52MadAdler
01-06-2008, 07:54 PM
That was a pretty ugly looking first half and game for the Bolts.
I just don't see them going very far.

luftluuver
01-06-2008, 08:01 PM
Originally posted by heywooood:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v250/heywooood/LT.jpg

Was there a penalty for too many men on the field?

mortoma
01-06-2008, 08:31 PM
Originally posted by JG52MadAdler:
That was a pretty ugly looking first half and game for the Bolts.
I just don't see them going very far. Neither do the Colts.......lol

horseback
01-06-2008, 09:21 PM
Originally posted by mortoma:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG52MadAdler:
That was a pretty ugly looking first half and game for the Bolts.
I just don't see them going very far. Neither do the Colts.......lol </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Ugly first half and game...and what was the score at the end of said game? Sounds a lot like a certain recent Monday night contest for the Colts--only they couldn't pull it out at the end.

The Chargers match up very well with the Colts, and have for the last three or four seasons. They lost a close one at Indy in 2004, won going away in 2005, and while still getting their feet under them with an entirely new coaching staff, dodged a bullet in the second half of this year's first meeting.

Turf is a much friendlier surface for LT than the wet grass at Qualcomm was today, and I expect better things for him at Indy.

If Jacksonville plays a physical game with the Patriots, whoever plays the winner of the Charger-Colts game is going to be dinged up...

cheers

horseback

R_Target
01-06-2008, 10:02 PM
New York Football Giants did alright today.http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

mortoma
01-07-2008, 12:25 PM
Originally posted by horseback:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mortoma:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG52MadAdler:
That was a pretty ugly looking first half and game for the Bolts.
I just don't see them going very far. Neither do the Colts.......lol </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Ugly first half and game...and what was the score at the end of said game? Sounds a lot like a certain recent Monday night contest for the Colts--only they couldn't pull it out at the end.

The Chargers match up very well with the Colts, and have for the last three or four seasons. They lost a close one at Indy in 2004, won going away in 2005, and while still getting their feet under them with an entirely new coaching staff, dodged a bullet in the second half of this year's first meeting.

Turf is a much friendlier surface for LT than the wet grass at Qualcomm was today, and I expect better things for him at Indy.

If Jacksonville plays a physical game with the Patriots, whoever plays the winner of the Charger-Colts game is going to be dinged up...

cheers

horseback </div></BLOCKQUOTE>True that the Chargers match Indy fairly good but Indy can now resort to something they did last payoffs, which is to wear a team defense down and keep it's offense off the field. They are particularly good at doing this at home. If they keep the Bolts offense off the field, they keep LD off it too.

Another good thing about the Colts is that they are the deepest team in the league and they should be healthy for the playoffs. Even the Cheatriots are not as deep as the Colts are, at least on offense. The Colts are not that deep on defense right now.

Weakness of the Colts is an occasional slow start, kind like what happened to the Bolts this weekend. But oftentimes they make up for it in the 3rd and 4th period. They were unable to do that against the Bolts the one game the played them this year. But more often than not they would be able to. It will be a good game. The Colts and Bolts!!

Tator_Totts
01-07-2008, 12:41 PM
Go Chargers

http://i1.chargers.com/assets/218/38790_600w600h.jpg

Eight Bolts Going to pro Bowl.
http://www.chargers.com/news/headlines/eight-bolts-voted.htm

R_Target
01-07-2008, 12:50 PM
Wherever LT tries to run, someone will be waiting for him.

http://ladiesdotdotdot.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/bob-sanders-pointing.jpg

mortoma
01-07-2008, 02:22 PM
Statwise and being at home it looks good for the Colts against the Bolts if you look here ( http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/matchup?game_id=29522&dis...son=2007&week=POST19 (http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/matchup?game_id=29522&displayPage=tab_matchup&season=2007&week=POST19) ) you can see the Bolts got us on rushing, but not a lot. But the Colts got the Bolts on receiving and by a good margin. Their young QB is no Peyton but his stats are good for his experience. Our own Colt Bob Sanders just got the defensive player of the year award so him and his gang will be waiting for LT to come a runnin'.

And at 1510 yards, Reggie Wayne has more receiving yards than the Cheatriot's Randy Moss. But of course the media made sure that everyone has heard of Moss by now but nobody even knows who Reggie Wayne is. Moss does have more TDs and points than Wayne though, but not a lot more.

FoxThree
01-07-2008, 03:52 PM
Originally posted by Sergio_101:

Just more fresh meat for the Pats

Pretty certain the last team the patsies would want to see again if they make it the distance is the Wrecking Crew ... Be Sure

heywooood
01-07-2008, 08:01 PM
Bob Sanders is a great player...but you can't stuff the box and cover three receivers for a full 4 quarters of football - the Titans tried and could only do it for a half....and their defense is better than the Colts' D

losing Gates potentially could mar the Bolts chances but I like the way we stack up against Dungy's team on both sides of the ball...

I think Payless will remember the six picks from our last game and the six sacks from the 13 and 0 spoiler game last time the Bolts beat them at home -

Yep - I like our chances, especially if Gates is healthy for the game.

LT is focused on getting even with the patsies so I don't think it'll matter much who plays or doesn't play
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v250/heywooood/LT.jpg
Can you feel the THUNDER?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v250/heywooood/jackson.jpg
Lightning Bolts, Baby

JG52MadAdler
01-07-2008, 09:07 PM
If he is so focused he better get more than 42 yds on 21 carries.
We will have to listen to him whine for another year.

mortoma
01-07-2008, 09:19 PM
Originally posted by jadger:
Hey now, don't beat up on the Chargers, so what if tonight was their first playoff win since 1994, that's only ~5110 days, or 14 years. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> I estimate we only have about a 40% chance of beating the Cheatriots in their place in cold weather. It still is a fair chance.

come on now, it will be fun watching Peyton Manning cry on a big screen TV again, just like a couple years ago as the cameramen zoomed in close on his face as he balled his eyes out on the field. Is that your only excuse/insult against the patriots? that they got caught cheating, Haha, and you have pretty boy Peyton as your QB, that's mighty hypocritical </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I've seen lots of high school, college and pro sports guys cry upon losing a big game. This is nothing new, old as the hills. And Brady is far more the pretty boy than Manning ever was. I have lots of reasons to not like the Pats, a lot of people don't like them. Once a team wins that many SBs, millions of people get sick of it and want other teams to win it, not the same old team every year. That's why it was nice to see the Colts get it last year. And Manning was not crying last year.

jadger
01-08-2008, 01:20 AM
Originally posted by mortoma:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jadger:
Hey now, don't beat up on the Chargers, so what if tonight was their first playoff win since 1994, that's only ~5110 days, or 14 years. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> I estimate we only have about a 40% chance of beating the Cheatriots in their place in cold weather. It still is a fair chance.

come on now, it will be fun watching Peyton Manning cry on a big screen TV again, just like a couple years ago as the cameramen zoomed in close on his face as he balled his eyes out on the field. Is that your only excuse/insult against the patriots? that they got caught cheating, Haha, and you have pretty boy Peyton as your QB, that's mighty hypocritical </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I've seen lots of high school, college and pro sports guys cry upon losing a big game. This is nothing new, old as the hills. And Brady is far more the pretty boy than Manning ever was. I have lots of reasons to not like the Pats, a lot of people don't like them. Once a team wins that many SBs, millions of people get sick of it and want other teams to win it, not the same old team every year. That's why it was nice to see the Colts get it last year. And Manning was not crying last year. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

so lots of guys have cried, what was your point? My point was that I hate Peyton Manning because he's an overhyped crackhead and I love my chances of schadenfreude against our biggest rivals.

FoxThree
01-08-2008, 07:21 AM
Originally posted by jadger:
so lots of guys have cried, what was your point? My point was that I hate Peyton Manning because he's an overhyped crackhead and I love my chances of schadenfreude against our biggest rivals.

I am not quite sure how one would respond to such ignorance. With your own words you lose your own argument.

Peyton abuses crack, can you document this or are these your own facts ... Tragedy brings you happiness if I read your last words correctly.Sounds to me like you are just looking to argue, not discuss. There is nothing wrong with supporting your team or conference. If you want credibility let the facts speak for themselves and leave the BS out of the discussion.

FWIW the AFC did not win the SB yet, you might be looking pretty silly if they don't now.

jadger
01-08-2008, 11:47 AM
Originally posted by FoxThree:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jadger:
so lots of guys have cried, what was your point? My point was that I hate Peyton Manning because he's an overhyped crackhead and I love my chances of schadenfreude against our biggest rivals.

I am not quite sure how one would respond to such ignorance. With your own words you lose your own argument.

Peyton abuses crack, can you document this or are these your own facts ... Tragedy brings you happiness if I read your last words correctly.Sounds to me like you are just looking to argue, not discuss. There is nothing wrong with supporting your team or conference. If you want credibility let the facts speak for themselves and leave the BS out of the discussion.

FWIW the AFC did not win the SB yet, you might be looking pretty silly if they don't now. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

OMG, seriously? you've never heard of trash talk? come on son, you're on the ubizoo, this isn't a senate committee looking into cocaine use in professional football. I said crackhead as an insult, as he has to be on crack to play for the Colts.

mortoma
01-08-2008, 04:46 PM
I am putting the jadger guy on my ignore list. And in six years on this forum I have never done that before. The guy is a waste of a human body. And I'd recommend all in this thread do the same. I have dealt with this character before. We want a discussion on football anyway.

heywooood
01-08-2008, 07:50 PM
Originally posted by JG52MadAdler:
If he is so focused he better get more than 42 yds on 21 carries.
We will have to listen to him whine for another year.

LT is a team player - the Titans were able to contain him for three quarters of the game...meanwhile with eight in the box our receivers had a field day - and LT got the clincher so...

This week is a real test but the Colts defense, while a little faster than Titans fifth ranked D is also a lot lighter up front so the Bolts will be running the ball - and if the Colts want to put eight in the box - well - without Freeny, Rivers will light 'em up.

Manning not only has to worry about Merriman, Castillo, Olshanski and the Other Guy...but now he has the Cro in his head too...#31 Pix for Six, Baby
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v250/heywooood/cro.jpg

We are coming for the patsies and that poosay of a head coach belicheats

knightflyte
01-08-2008, 08:50 PM
Nice shot..... Even better catch. What an impressive effort.
WOW.

heywooood
01-08-2008, 09:09 PM
it was his 3rd interception on the night just 5 weeks ago vs the Perfect Peyton Moaning out of the total of six picks the Chargers nabbed that night....

Moaning was hurried, scurried and dropped all night so throwing the ball up for grabs was all he could do to save his life -

Brady* will get worse.

knightflyte
01-08-2008, 11:47 PM
Provided the Pats get to the next round, then we shall see. After the Ravens game I take nothing for granted. 22 atheletes will be trying to stop the Pats.

On paper the Patriots have enough talent to handle the Jags comfortably..... BUT this is a new 'season.' Anything can happen.

After that I'll look forward to the Chargers coming into our house to try and spoil it. They'll need a lot more points than they scored on the Titans. A LOT! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

My only serious concerns on the Pat's defense is Ellis Hobbs. I like the guy, but man he gives up too many passes and TDs. Hit the receiver at the line, at least. The other is if they come out sloppy and don't wrap up their tackles.


Congrats to Sanders, Indy fans. He was the nail in the Pats coffin last year. Tough SOB.

jadger
01-09-2008, 12:11 AM
Originally posted by mortoma:
I am putting the jadger guy on my ignore list. And in six years on this forum I have never done that before. The guy is a waste of a human body. And I'd recommend all in this thread do the same. I have dealt with this character before. We want a discussion on football anyway.

Oooh, I feel so special, the user whose most intelligent posts are about UFOs and bigfoot ignores me, lol. That's not saying much BTW if your most intelligent thing is starting threads about aliens abducting you.

I agree with knightflyte, we Pats definitely need to tighten it up and stop just playing for fun now, results actually matter now, we can't do the balls-out and completely stupid plays we were doing late in the season.

mortoma
01-09-2008, 09:12 AM
Gee, did you post something jadger?? I can't read it!! Oh bummer!!! I never will be able to either.

mortoma
01-09-2008, 09:27 AM
Originally posted by heywooood:
Bob Sanders is a great player...but you can't stuff the box and cover three receivers for a full 4 quarters of football - the Titans tried and could only do it for a half....and their defense is better than the Colts' D

losing Gates potentially could mar the Bolts chances but I like the way we stack up against Dungy's team on both sides of the ball...

I think Payless will remember the six picks from our last game and the six sacks from the 13 and 0 spoiler game last time the Bolts beat them at home -

Yep - I like our chances, especially if Gates is healthy for the game.

LT is focused on getting even with the patsies so I don't think it'll matter much who plays or doesn't play The Titans defense better than the Colt's defense?? Care to back that up with stats? The Colts are better than the Titans on D in every category except rushing yards allowed, and the Colts are in the middle of the pack on that at 15th. The Colts have the fewest total points allowed in the league this year!! They are second in pass yards allowed and 3rd in total yards allowed. So I'd have to say that by far, the Titans are/were not even close to the Colts on D!!!!

Swivet
01-09-2008, 09:27 AM
The Pats=best team money can buy http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif.From years of nothing to all of a sudden they are ontop of the world?..I'm not buying that http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

jadger
01-09-2008, 11:54 AM
Originally posted by Swivet:
The Pats=best team money can buy http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif.From years of nothing to all of a sudden they are ontop of the world?..I'm not buying that http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

Tom Brady took a pay cut so that the team could bring in Randy Moss and other good players below the salary cap, that's why the team is succeeding, because it has loyal players who aren't playing for the mighty dollar, but for the love of the team. And they weren't "nothing" before that. They had very strong teams throughout the 80s and are you forgetting that they were in the superbowl in 96? there were many strong years, but until the recent era they did not pull it off in the final game of the season.


Gee, did you post something jadger?? I can't read it!! Oh bummer!!! I never will be able to either.

Ooh, Grade 3 all over again isn't it? lol, you're pretty daft.

JG52Uther
01-09-2008, 12:16 PM
Originally posted by jadger:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FoxThree:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jadger:
so lots of guys have cried, what was your point? My point was that I hate Peyton Manning because he's an overhyped crackhead and I love my chances of schadenfreude against our biggest rivals.

I am not quite sure how one would respond to such ignorance. With your own words you lose your own argument.

Peyton abuses crack, can you document this or are these your own facts ... Tragedy brings you happiness if I read your last words correctly.Sounds to me like you are just looking to argue, not discuss. There is nothing wrong with supporting your team or conference. If you want credibility let the facts speak for themselves and leave the BS out of the discussion.

FWIW the AFC did not win the SB yet, you might be looking pretty silly if they don't now. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

OMG, seriously? you've never heard of trash talk? come on son, you're on the ubizoo, this isn't a senate committee looking into cocaine use in professional football. I said crackhead as an insult, as he has to be on crack to play for the Colts. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Well some things are just not acceptable,no matter what you think of this place.

jadger
01-09-2008, 12:34 PM
Originally posted by JG52Uther:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jadger:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FoxThree:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jadger:
so lots of guys have cried, what was your point? My point was that I hate Peyton Manning because he's an overhyped crackhead and I love my chances of schadenfreude against our biggest rivals.

I am not quite sure how one would respond to such ignorance. With your own words you lose your own argument.

Peyton abuses crack, can you document this or are these your own facts ... Tragedy brings you happiness if I read your last words correctly.Sounds to me like you are just looking to argue, not discuss. There is nothing wrong with supporting your team or conference. If you want credibility let the facts speak for themselves and leave the BS out of the discussion.

FWIW the AFC did not win the SB yet, you might be looking pretty silly if they don't now. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

OMG, seriously? you've never heard of trash talk? come on son, you're on the ubizoo, this isn't a senate committee looking into cocaine use in professional football. I said crackhead as an insult, as he has to be on crack to play for the Colts. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Well some things are just not acceptable,no matter what you think of this place. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

So it's okay to insult Brady and Belichick but not Manning? come on, give me a break, they are getting paid millions of dollars, if they are so hurt by it they can go to their shrink.

FoxThree
01-09-2008, 02:23 PM
Trash talk and being argumentive are not the same. Trash talk brings smiles the other makes enemies.

You have a problem with peyton, no biggie ... I have not really followed the AFC since the merger. I made quite a few bucks on the Miami game in '73 & put the winnings down on a sports car. The late '70 steelers were awesome, since then I can not think of an AFC team that excites me.

The pats are good but don't have a guarantee on a win from the last games I saw them play against mediocre NFC Ravens and Giants., ask Namath to bet on it.

JG52MadAdler
01-09-2008, 03:24 PM
I am not a betting man but I think the Pats covered 12 of 16 on the regular season.
Manning's commercials to SB ring = 5000 to 1
Rivers = ? Who (Rivers throw it to the guys with bolts on their helmets) oops!

Brady is money!

mortoma
01-09-2008, 03:44 PM
Originally posted by FoxThree:
Trash talk and being argumentive are not the same. Trash talk brings smiles the other makes enemies.

You have a problem with peyton, no biggie ... I have not really followed the AFC since the merger. I made quite a few bucks on the Miami game in '73 & put the winnings down on a sports car. The late '70 steelers were awesome, since then I can not think of an AFC team that excites me.

The pats are good but don't have a guarantee on a win from the last games I saw them play against mediocre NFC Ravens and Giants., ask Namath to bet on it. That's strange because I am exactly the opposite, the AFC used to be the junk conference in the 80s and early 90s. Remember the SB game when the Pats played the Bears back about 85 or 86??? It was a joke because the entire AFC was a sad joke in those days.

But when it turned around, it turned around big!! Now I have failed to see anything impressive about the NFC in a long time. The closest thing to a decent team they had was the Rams several years ago. The Bears were for sure the best team last year and the Colts smoked them like they were a high school football team.
The NFC just is in a funk these days. Dallas and GB are not all that good.

heywooood
01-09-2008, 05:41 PM
Originally posted by JG52MadAdler:
I am not a betting man but I think the Pats covered 12 of 16 on the regular season.
Manning's commercials to SB ring = 5000 to 1
Rivers = ? Who (Rivers throw it to the guys with bolts on their helmets) oops!

Brady is money!

Easy to say when Brady* walks up to the line and knows the opposing defenses calls and signals from all the *video provided to him by his coach*
(sure a few teams will change some of their calls over the course of a season - but the general alignments and schemes won't be drastically altered during a season - these players already have a ton of signals and formations and coverages to remember..no coach is going to compound that load by changing it all every two or three games - thats why belicheat was personally fined 500,000.00 and the team 250,000.00 AND stripped of a first round draft pick - for CHEATING)

If a QB stands there with his formation and by cheating knows exactly who is blitzing..not guessing but knowing...and he knows who has single coverage vs. the doubleteam...and knows for a fact that the mike LB has to cover his halfback - and all this on each and every play - yeah - I would say that QB is *money

That QB might even get to be 16 and 0* someday...especially if his teams' defense had the same advantage over the opponents offense game in and game out....sure

So I guess you can bag on Rivers - it just means you don't appreciate an honest days work.

knightflyte
01-09-2008, 09:10 PM
HI JACK.....


Heywooood. Has your name always had 4 "O"s? I just noticed. LOL



Now back to our regularly scheduled sports fanatasism.

JG52MadAdler
01-09-2008, 09:41 PM
lol



Video!
Thats just to stupid to comment on!

heywooood
01-09-2008, 10:03 PM
but you keep commenting on it - so I guess that makes you stupider - yeah, yer like lost in space - the stupider 2 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

I guess you're just worried about the Jags...and you should be

jadger
01-10-2008, 12:16 AM
Originally posted by JG52MadAdler:
I am not a betting man but I think the Pats covered 12 of 16 on the regular season.
Manning's commercials to SB ring = 5000 to 1
Rivers = ? Who (Rivers throw it to the guys with bolts on their helmets) oops!

Brady is money!

The OLGC (Ontario Lottery and Gaming Commission) stopped giving odds on the Patriots games about 3 or 4 games into the season, you couldn't bet on them because it was just always gonna be a win.


Easy to say when Brady* walks up to the line and knows the opposing defenses calls and signals from all the *video provided to him by his coach*


So now they have video on all teams in the NFL now? geez, I didn't know that. what news was it on? I must of missed it. Do you have a link to a news article? I'm sure if it were true it would be online, right?

Blutarski2004
01-10-2008, 06:57 AM
Originally posted by heywooood:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG52MadAdler:
I am not a betting man but I think the Pats covered 12 of 16 on the regular season.
Manning's commercials to SB ring = 5000 to 1
Rivers = ? Who (Rivers throw it to the guys with bolts on their helmets) oops!

Brady is money!

Easy to say when Brady* walks up to the line and knows the opposing defenses calls and signals from all the *video provided to him by his coach*
(sure a few teams will change some of their calls over the course of a season - but the general alignments and schemes won't be drastically altered during a season - these players already have a ton of signals and formations and coverages to remember..no coach is going to compound that load by changing it all every two or three games - thats why belicheat was personally fined 500,000.00 and the team 250,000.00 AND stripped of a first round draft pick - for CHEATING)

If a QB stands there with his formation and by cheating knows exactly who is blitzing..not guessing but knowing...and he knows who has single coverage vs. the doubleteam...and knows for a fact that the mike LB has to cover his halfback - and all this on each and every play - yeah - I would say that QB is *money

That QB might even get to be 16 and 0* someday...especially if his teams' defense had the same advantage over the opponents offense game in and game out....sure

So I guess you can bag on Rivers - it just means you don't appreciate an honest days work. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


..... For your claim to make any sense at all, it would require that all the rst of the NFL teams and coaches be certified morons over the past eight years, congenitally unable to detect any of Bill Belicheck's "evil cheating plot". Sorry, but I think you watch too much daytme TV. The reality is that the Patriots are just a good team (finally) - with good talent, good coaching, good management, and good ownership. A rare combination nowadays. The sports media seem to like the Patriots - Belicheck = Coach of the Year; Brady = MVP and Offensive Player of the Year. Do you think that the national sports media would accord such honors to a team that they believed to be "cheaters"? I don't think so.

It's OK to hate the Patriots, but give me a break with this whole "cheating" house of cards you are trying to build.

heywooood
01-10-2008, 05:40 PM
yeah you're right - we can always count on the media to select and honor the right people...

Michael Vick was the poster child of the media and the NFL afterall...and there are far too many other examples of how accurate the media is in this area if you look at baseball over the last few years but I digress

As far as not getting caught by other NFL coaches is concerned well - what coach would have been looking for sneaky cameramen and recording devices such as were found on your beloved patriot employees?
It took one of the converted to rat him out - one of his own former conspirators to blow the whistle - and only because Belicheat was doing it to Mangenius did he squawk...otherwise we might still not know it was going on.

You can tout the patsies and deny the truth all you want - the evidence is plain to see - there is no legitimate way to win every game unless you eliminate chance as much as possible.

doesn't matter now - the Jags are going to run all over your lil' poosays on saturday

Tator_Totts
01-10-2008, 06:48 PM
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jadger
01-11-2008, 01:10 AM
Originally posted by heywooood:
yeah you're right - we can always count on the media to select and honor the right people...

Michael Vick was the poster child of the media and the NFL afterall...and there are far too many other examples of how accurate the media is in this area if you look at baseball over the last few years but I digress

Ummm, there's a difference between the media highlighting someone who has a good career, and the mass conspiracy by ALL news outlets to hide the "fact" that the Patriots spied on every single team they've played in the last decade.


As far as not getting caught by other NFL coaches is concerned well - what coach would have been looking for sneaky cameramen and recording devices such as were found on your beloved patriot employees?


We obviously found some didn't we? the first game of the season I believe it was. The ones that want excuses for why they lost, those and the ones with carying levels of paranoia.

heywooood
01-11-2008, 05:27 PM
Did you eat alot of paint chips when you were a kid?

Because the answer to both of your ******ed points is below...or did you not know the name of the coach in the first game this season between your cheaters and the Jets?...

unbelieveable - and here is proof that it has been going on for a long long time...


Mangini worked his way up in the NFL under the tutelage of Bill Belichick. He began his career as a ball boy with Cleveland at the age of 23, and later became an intern in the public relations. While working as a ball boy, he was often quoted as saying "no job is too small in the NFL." He worked 18 hours a day in the PR department, and at night he took copies of stats in the copyroom. Bill Belichick, at the time the head coach of the Cleveland Browns, found him there, and liked him so much that he asked the general manager if they had another job for him. Mangini was given the smallest coaching job in the Browns, putting film together for the coordinators.



Assistant coach
Prior to coaching the New York Jets, Mangini worked for the New England Patriots under Head Coach Bill Belichick, first as their defensive backs coach (2000-2004), and later as their defensive coordinator (2005). Before that Belichick gave him a job as an assistant in the Cleveland Browns organization (1995). Mangini was part of the Baltimore Ravens' inaugural staff in 1996, where he was a quality control/offensive assistant coach. From 1997-1999, he worked with the Jets as a defensive assistant/quality control coach. That was also when Belichick was assistant head coach/secondary coach.


Mangini - Current Head coach of New York Jets and the one person that would have known what to look for when playing the Belicheat team
...what a pack of cheezy bastages

Blutarski2004
01-11-2008, 05:40 PM
Originally posted by heywooood:
yeah you're right - we can always count on the media to select and honor the right people...

Michael Vick was the poster child of the media and the NFL afterall...and there are far too many other examples of how accurate the media is in this area if you look at baseball over the last few years but I digress

As far as not getting caught by other NFL coaches is concerned well - what coach would have been looking for sneaky cameramen and recording devices such as were found on your beloved patriot employees?
It took one of the converted to rat him out - one of his own former conspirators to blow the whistle - and only because Belicheat was doing it to Mangenius did he squawk...otherwise we might still not know it was going on.

You can tout the patsies and deny the truth all you want - the evidence is plain to see - there is no legitimate way to win every game unless you eliminate chance as much as possible.

doesn't matter now - the Jags are going to run all over your lil' poosays on saturday



..... Whatever floats your leaky boat, Heywooood.

Good luck to the Chargers this weekend.

heywooood
01-11-2008, 05:42 PM
and to the Jaguars my friend

mortoma
01-11-2008, 06:53 PM
Good luck to the Colts!!! Yeah!!!!!!! I don't know what the bookie odds for the game but it bet it favors the Colts.

heywooood
01-11-2008, 07:21 PM
as it has the last few times the Chargers have beaten the Colts - always about the same line too...8-1/2 or 9 points hahahah

Sorry mortoma- AFC title game will be in San Diego this year be sure...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v250/heywooood/cro.jpg
poor Peyton Moaning

JG52MadAdler
01-12-2008, 07:10 AM
ARE YOU READY SOME FOOTBALL!

Blutarski2004
01-12-2008, 07:34 AM
Originally posted by heywooood:
and to the Jaguars my friend


..... I suspect that both teams will need a generous portion thereof.

knightflyte
01-12-2008, 11:34 AM
I LOVE THIS TIME OF YEAR. Good luck to your respective teams tomorrow guys.

Jags? You got your work cut out tonight. It's going to be fun.

See you next week Indy at Foxboro. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Have fun guys.

Sergio_101
01-12-2008, 09:30 PM
Jaguars got skinned alive!

See you next week Indy at Foxboro. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

ENTER THE GLADIATORS!

http://members.aol.com/buls233391/entrglad.mid

Sergio

roybaty
01-12-2008, 09:52 PM
Man the Colts always seem to be in our way, hmmmmm tasty horse meat http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

<start Nikita Khrushchev mode> We will bury you </Nikita Khrushchev mode>

This...is...New England!!!!!

MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

zardozid
01-12-2008, 10:09 PM
and may I say...YES! Yes, yes, YES!(once again)

roybaty
01-12-2008, 10:17 PM
Yes my brotha!!!

Uh oh (sports bar + beer + more beer + Saturday night + more hard liquor = http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif


Originally posted by zardozid:
and may I say...YES! Yes, yes, YES!(once again)

woofiedog
01-12-2008, 10:23 PM
Quote... Man the Colts always seem to be in our way, hmmmmm tasty horse meat .

Slap on some Barbeque and slow roast over a open flame grill... that should take some of the Toughness out of that horse hide! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

knightflyte
01-12-2008, 10:31 PM
New England Patriots*



*Best damn team in football. 17 - 0

JG52MadAdler
01-12-2008, 10:32 PM
Go PATS!
Have to give some respect to the Jaguars they played one hell of a game.
You have to love Green Bay this year. Farve is awesome! OMG! I might actually cheer on the Bolts tomorrow. Either way it works for me.

Sergio_101
01-12-2008, 10:55 PM
One thing I have noticed this year.
Given the near futility in playing the Patriots
most are NOT kicking the ball on the fourth down.

Kicking the ball is simply giving the Pat's a touchdown.

Sergio

Blutarski2004
01-13-2008, 08:55 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by JG52MadAdler:
Go PATS!
Have to give some respect to the Jaguars they played one hell of a game.
QUOTE]


..... Props to their QB (Gerrard?). Hadn't seen him play before last night. He's one very cool customer in the clutch. He has a great "touch pass" and he is accurate. The only thing I didn't see him throw was any bullet passes. If he has that in his quiver, he'll be around a long time.

BTW - his wide receivers looked like they were Mech War characters - what are they? about seven feet tall?

Tator_Totts
01-13-2008, 09:37 AM
Originally posted by Blutarski2004:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by JG52MadAdler:
Go PATS!
Have to give some respect to the Jaguars they played one hell of a game.
QUOTE]


..... Props to their QB (Gerrard?). Hadn't seen him play before last night. He's one very cool customer in the clutch. He has a great "touch pass" and he is accurate. The only thing I didn't see him throw was any bullet passes. If he has that in his quiver, he'll be around a long time.

BTW - his wide receivers looked like they were Mech War characters - what are they? about seven feet tall?

Yes this was my first time I saw him play. I was very impress. Hope he stays healthy in years to come, he was fun to watch. Very cool customer.Being Ahtletic,intelligent and good on his feet he will have a good carear.

Tator_Totts
01-13-2008, 09:40 AM
On a side note of yesterdays game. No matter what the cheat factor was in the past you can't deny the awesome talent the Pats have. The offensive coordinator he looks to be real young. How old is he?

jadger
01-13-2008, 10:26 AM
this was my first time watching a Jags game and not being drunk or on my way there. There running back has a lot of power! Wow, I was impressed he could just plough through guys to get the first down. but then again the Pats had Welker and Maroney who could dance around their Defence. Welker stood on his head last night, played an excellent game I must say.

roybaty
01-13-2008, 11:36 AM
Okay I'm watching the Colt/Chargers game and feel a disturbance in the force http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

JG52MadAdler
01-13-2008, 02:20 PM
LOL! 19-0 looking pretty good right now.
Whats up with LT? Looked like he just decided to take the day off.

han freak solo
01-13-2008, 02:22 PM
Originally posted by roybaty:
Okay I'm watching the Colt/Chargers game and feel a disturbance in the force http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Great friggin' game! Chargers vs. Patriots next week for the AFC Championship!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

I just want to thank the Chargers for finishing off the Colts this year. Sweetness. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

knightflyte
01-13-2008, 02:30 PM
Congrats Chargers. See you next week.

I_KG100_Prien
01-13-2008, 02:33 PM
It was a helluva game be sure http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

heywooood
01-13-2008, 02:44 PM
oh you'll be seeing us the next several weeks...


even the NFL couldn't deny my Chargers - though they tried and tried...

Chargers beat two teams today - the Colts and the Officials...

and our backups scored the deciding TD..nice job by the Chargers O-line, Michael Turner, and Billy the kid Volek

BTW Rivers and LT were just resting for next week - both stood and chatted on the sidelines throughout the whole second half....sweet

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v250/heywooood/jackson.jpg

..coming to NE for our revenge next week as planned...cheaters take cover

R_Target
01-13-2008, 02:48 PM
Well played Chargers. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif Now go beat the Pats!

horseback
01-13-2008, 02:49 PM
To quote one of the Founding Fathers, it's time to "water the Tree of Liberty."

If Rivers, LT and Gates can get healed up in time, I like our chances in a shootout.

My ideal Superbowl scenario: Chargers vs Giants.

The Manning family is something like 0-5 since the 2004 draft, when Eli pronounced himself too good for San Diego...

cheers

horseback

Blutarski2004
01-13-2008, 02:54 PM
Congrats to the Chargers - good game. Next week will be very interesting.

heywooood
01-13-2008, 03:05 PM
Originally posted by horseback:
To quote one of the Founding Fathers, it's time to "water the Tree of Liberty."

If Rivers, LT and Gates can get healed up in time, I like our chances in a shootout.

My ideal Superbowl scenario: Chargers vs Giants.

The Manning family is something like 0-5 since the 2004 draft, when Eli pronounced himself too good for San Diego...

cheers

horseback

Don't worry too much about Rivers and LT - they wanted this matchup since last year and that rediculous demonstration we all witnessed by the Patriots on our field at the end of that game - totally bush league and classless.

If 17 and 21 were really suffering knee injuries they would not have been standing the whole second half - they would have been seated...Now they will have that much less wear and tear going into NE...sweet.

and anyways, I didn't see any of our Defense leave the game- Castillo only got the wind knocked out of him...Brady is going to get stuffed like Peyton and co.

Great game by the Colts - and stripes - just wasn't enough today

Sergio_101
01-13-2008, 03:23 PM
QUOTE "Originally posted by horseback:
My ideal Superbowl scenario: Chargers vs Giants."

Chargers only earned the right to be another
milestone in the Patriots perfect season.

Giants and Pats in the superbowl.

Sergio

woofiedog
01-13-2008, 03:33 PM
Anyone up for some Fille of Horse! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Pat's & Charger's is going to be a Wicked match up. Might as well say it's going to be the Superbowl game! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/11/New_England_Patriot_cheerleaders.jpg/800px-New_England_Patriot_cheerleaders.jpg

roybaty
01-13-2008, 03:35 PM
I just don't see the Chargers beating the Pats, and that's not just my loyalty talking. Chargers are just to beat up IMHO. It was a fun game to watch though.

heywooood
01-13-2008, 03:35 PM
No one saw them beating the Colts either - it will be my Chargers greatest pleasure to ruin that *perfect season....

the higher they climb - the harder they fall...and what a colossal, unprecedented fall that will be

All anyone will remember of the Patsies is how they got beat in the AFC title game and didn't even make it to the Superbowl

VF-17_BOOM
01-13-2008, 04:34 PM
Ha Ha Ha,heywood,You are a true S.D.[team]fan.you stuck with them all these yrs!!!!1 more game and it's the BIG ONE!!!!! good luck to you and yours!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

R_Target
01-13-2008, 05:53 PM
How 'bout them Cowboys!!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Bearcat99
01-13-2008, 05:55 PM
I'm lovin this.... Even if they get beat by GB next week... I am LOVIN this one..... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/inlove.gif

R_Target
01-13-2008, 06:00 PM
Originally posted by Bearcat99:
I'm lovin this.... Even if they get beat by GB next week... I am LOVIN this one..... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/inlove.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif Sweet satisfaction. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

DrHerb
01-13-2008, 06:04 PM
bah quit watchin football and start flyin http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

just kiddin'

heywooood
01-13-2008, 06:30 PM
Originally posted by VF-17_BOOM:
Ha Ha Ha,heywood,You are a true S.D.[team]fan.you stuck with them all these yrs!!!!1 more game and it's the BIG ONE!!!!! good luck to you and yours!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

right back atcha BOOMER - love that sig BTW...

Tator_Totts
01-13-2008, 07:54 PM
Heywood that was a great game. Had me jumping up and down. We have waited along time for this. I know I had season tickets with the Chargers back in the 70's. Pats have a great team and so do Chargers. You are no slouch when you have 8 pro bowlers going and second string quarter Volek comes out and drives 80 yards for the winning score. Defense did a great job last two periods.

Poetic justice Bolts beat the Patsies.

mortoma
01-13-2008, 08:52 PM
I was for the Colts, now for the Bolts. The Colts had a chance but that one drive where a penalty erased a huge pass by Manning really hurt them. First half penalties killed the Bolts, second half the penalties DESTROYED the Colts!! But hey, if you do stupid stuff like that you deserve to lose. At least it was a close game. I hope the Bolts cream the New England Pansie-ates!!

JG52MadAdler
01-13-2008, 09:02 PM
After watching the Pats vs Jax game
I was not very impressed by the level of play by either the Colts or the Bolts.
Should be a cake walk for the Pats!

heywooood
01-13-2008, 09:23 PM
Jags were plagued with dropped passes and missed tackles - Gerard put the ball in their hands and the Jax receivers dropped critical 3rd down and TD passes all over the place - and they had the Patsies game planned well on defense but poor tackling cost them too many yards -

The Chargers have better receivers and make plays on defense - tackling is not a problem for the Bolts...and smashing QB's is a Charger trademark...I assure you - the Bolts will put much more pressure on the patsi QB than Jax did...alot more.

Revenge is on their minds - I hope it is cold in NE next weekend

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v250/heywooood/Merriman.jpg

Chargers didn't so much beat the Colts as go through them...no offense Colt fans - but your team got between my Chargers and their meat...
the Bolts had to go through the NFL (even refs couldn't be that stupid) and the defending Superbowl Champions to get to their most hated opponent..

jadger
01-13-2008, 11:09 PM
Originally posted by VF-17_BOOM:
Ha Ha Ha,heywood,You are a true S.D.[team]fan.you stuck with them all these yrs!!!!1 more game and it's the BIG ONE!!!!! good luck to you and yours!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

That sounds an aweful lot like an STD not just a SD http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

heywooood
01-14-2008, 07:02 PM
already abusing yourself I see - and the Charger game is still 6 days away...so sad.

don't worry - 17* and 1 is still a good season

jadger
01-15-2008, 03:05 AM
Originally posted by heywooood:
already abusing yourself I see - and the Charger game is still 6 days away...so sad.

don't worry - 17* and 1 is still a good season

Don't you know, Patriots have dealt with electricity before.

http://cache.eb.com/eb/image?id=8427&rendTypeId=4

heywooood
01-15-2008, 07:32 AM
yes - it knocked the ol' guy on his arse - history repeats.

JG52MadAdler
01-15-2008, 11:17 AM
What about those Chargers?
LT Bruised knee and sits out a playoff game?
Always thought he was a cry baby!
Gates must have loved that too.
Rivers taunting fans all day.
After all the whining they did over the lights out dance last year? LOL
Cant wait for the Pats to pull the plug Sunday

horseback
01-15-2008, 12:30 PM
Originally posted by JG52MadAdler:
What about those Chargers?
LT Bruised knee and sits out a playoff game?
Always thought he was a cry baby!
Gates must have loved that too.
Rivers taunting fans all day.
After all the whining they did over the lights out dance last year? LOL
Cant wait for the Pats to pull the plug Sunday LT had a hyperextended knee, not a bruised knee; when a 230 lb man puts all his weight against your kneecap, it tends to have a negative effect on your ability to walk, much less run and cut at the level an NFL back needs. LT was quite aware that Turner and Sproles together could do the job, especially considering how the Chargers' O-Line was establishing its dominance over the Colts' D-Line and the way the defense was getting into Manning's head.

It is a measure of LT's manhood that he didn't let his pride keep his team from putting the best weapons available on the field.

As for Rivers' response to the fans' taunting, it didn't seem to affect his accuracy on the field. I am reminded of the old Raiders players in the '60s and 70s who thrived on abuse from opposing fans. He may look like Huck Finn, but he'll cut your heart out with a rusty knife to win. He's the best QB we've had here since Stan Humphrey, and his offensive line and his defensive teammates love him because of his feistiness.

If you watched the Chargers' last several games, you would see a pattern: they either blow them out in the first half and coast through the second, or they hang around in a pounding contest in the first half and grind them into dust during the second half.

Everybody knows that the Chargers have a running game with or without LT, but with Chambers added and the emergence of Vince Jackson, they also have fear the Bolts' deep passing game as well. If you stop one, the other will kill you.

The defense led the world in takeaways, as the Colts found out, and I suspect that Randy Moss may find himself back in the box Chargers D-backs put him in twice a year at Oakland.

Given the way everyone on ESPN and the NFL channel have pointed out how the officials were a bit, shall we say, finicky in their interpretations of the rules when it would favor the Colts, you may see a repeat of what happened to Denver in the 2005 playoffs; after blatantly screwing the Patriots the way they would in a regular season game at Denver, the officials bent over backwards the next week to give the visiting Steelers the benefit of the doubt.

You might remember how that eventually turned into a Steelers' championship.

Everyone in The League knows that the Chargers got less than an even playing field in Indianapolis last Sunday, and the officials will be on notice not to do it again.

Count on the Pats having less than the usual home field advantage this weekend. Everybody loves an underdog, you know.

cheers

horseback

R_Target
01-15-2008, 12:53 PM
Originally posted by horseback:
Given the way everyone on ESPN and the NFL channel have pointed out how the officials were a bit, shall we say, finicky in their interpretations of the rules when it would favor the Colts

Heh, if you think those calls were bad, look at how they robbed Baltimore of their win vs. the Pats.

horseback
01-16-2008, 01:31 AM
R_Target, I don't remember if that game was nationally televised; you'll find that when games are only seen in their 'home' markets, the officiating often gets a bit slack. IMHO, the zebras tend to indulge their personal prejudices if they think no one is watching.

If your home team is in one of the divisions with a 'superstar' quarterback or 'legendary' coach, you will have seen some amazing interpretations of the rules when playing the favored teams. Elway and Montana's offensive lines could have shot the opposing defensive players if they were so inclined, and the referees would pretend it never happened, even during the first evolution of instant replay.

This is why I have welcomed the greater coverage and availability of televised games of the last four or five years. I think that the realization that everyone has the ability to see any game they want via cable or satellite has forced the league to enforce the rules more evenly. Certainly, Denver's offensive line has lost their carte blanche over the last couple of seasons as some of their near criminal behavior has been seen on national TV.

There's no question in my mind that Brady is the equal of Montana (or Elway, Manning or Favre for that matter) in terms of talent and competitiveness; he is already assured of a spot in the Hall of Fame.

BUT there's also no question in my mind that Philip Rivers' offensive line should get no less latitude from the officials than Brady's linemen in a championship game. Anything else would make the integrity of the 'perfect season' as suspect as Barry Bonds' home run records.

As Major League Baseball is learning, that can have a serious impact on the bottom line.

cheers

horseback

Blutarski2004
01-16-2008, 06:04 AM
Originally posted by horseback:
R_Target, I don't remember if that game was nationally televised; you'll find that when games are only seen in their 'home' markets, the officiating often gets a bit slack. IMHO, the zebras tend to indulge their personal prejudices if they think no one is watching.

If your home team is in one of the divisions with a 'superstar' quarterback or 'legendary' coach, you will have seen some amazing interpretations of the rules when playing the favored teams. Elway and Montana's offensive lines could have shot the opposing defensive players if they were so inclined, and the referees would pretend it never happened, even during the first evolution of instant replay.

This is why I have welcomed the greater coverage and availability of televised games of the last four or five years. I think that the realization that everyone has the ability to see any game they want via cable or satellite has forced the league to enforce the rules more evenly. Certainly, Denver's offensive line has lost their carte blanche over the last couple of seasons as some of their near criminal behavior has been seen on national TV.

There's no question in my mind that Brady is the equal of Montana (or Elway, Manning or Favre for that matter) in terms of talent and competitiveness; he is already assured of a spot in the Hall of Fame.

BUT there's also no question in my mind that Philip Rivers' offensive line should get no less latitude from the officials than Brady's linemen in a championship game. Anything else would make the integrity of the 'perfect season' as suspect as Barry Bonds' home run records.

As Major League Baseball is learning, that can have a serious impact on the bottom line.

cheers

horseback



..... NFL officiating has been a concern to me as well. The 90+ pct pass completion stats put up by Brady and Manning last weekend can IMO only have been achieved with the cooperation of the referees. In the case of the Pats vs Jags game, NO holding penalties were called against either offensive line in pass protection. The opinion of the local Boston sports media is that the NFL has decided to "let 'em air it out" to emphasize offensive football.

I did NOT see the Pats/Ravens game, so cannot give an opinion on the fairness of the officiating, but it is clear that the Pats would not have won that game without the last moment calls (and that inexplicable time-out called by the Ravens sideline). On the other hand, a look at last season's AFC Conference play-off between the Pats and Colts will show some amazing officiating. The Pats had at least one interception nullified and were called for several key pass interference penalties that saved Colts drives but left the entire national media broadcast booth speechless. The Colts do not win that game without those calls.

The NFL Chief of Referees used to do a weekly review of officiating on ESPN, pointing out the bad referee calls and admitting they were mistakes. The reviewer's official assessment has changed from "bad call" to "too close to call"; suddenly no one wants to officially admit to any officiating mistakes. Hmmm.

knightflyte
01-16-2008, 07:41 AM
Ask Cleveland about referees.

Ravens/Pats was nationally televised in Baltimore. While the penalties at the end were detrimental to the Ravens, their lack of composure is what did them in. It was still in their power to stop the Pats.

They gave all they had and more to the Pats. It's the only game this year where I was worried.

Sergio_101
01-16-2008, 11:51 AM
Originally posted by knightflyte:
Ravens/Pats was nationally televised in Baltimore...

Small world.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

sergio

horseback
01-16-2008, 11:57 AM
Originally posted by Blutarski2004:
..... NFL officiating has been a concern to me as well. The 90+ pct pass completion stats put up by Brady and Manning last weekend can IMO only have been achieved with the cooperation of the referees. In the case of the Pats vs Jags game, NO holding penalties were called against either offensive line in pass protection. The opinion of the local Boston sports media is that the NFL has decided to "let 'em air it out" to emphasize offensive football.

I did NOT see the Pats/Ravens game, so cannot give an opinion on the fairness of the officiating, but it is clear that the Pats would not have won that game without the last moment calls (and that inexplicable time-out called by the Ravens sideline). On the other hand, a look at last season's AFC Conference play-off between the Pats and Colts will show some amazing officiating. The Pats had at least one interception nullified and were called for several key pass interference penalties that saved Colts drives but left the entire national media broadcast booth speechless. The Colts do not win that game without those calls.

The NFL Chief of Referees used to do a weekly review of officiating on ESPN, pointing out the bad referee calls and admitting they were mistakes. The reviewer's official assessment has changed from "bad call" to "too close to call"; suddenly no one wants to officially admit to any officiating mistakes. Hmmm. The Chief of Referees has moved that segment to the NFL Channel, and I agree that he has gotten a bit obscure in some of his explanations. They also clearly pick and choose which calls are reviewed, so that the really bad calls are rarely exposed (it IS bad policy to publicly embarass your employees/coworkers). They do seem to have 'lawyered up' a bit.

The fact is that technically, there is holding on every pass play, period. Most of us would agree that within the tackles, unless the defensive player is getting clotheslined or having his jersey or an appendage pulled off that there is no need for the yellow hanky to be thrown.

What bothers most of us is that the hanky sometimes gets tossed on a key down for a routine type of hold--and that it is far more likely to happen if the offender is on the visiting team protecting a 'second echelon' quarterback, like Kyle Boller or whoever happens to be quarterbacking in San Diego or Arizona, or a half dozen other 'small market'/low recognition teams.

Drew Brees certainly gets more consideration and protection from the officials now that he's with the Saints than he ever got in his three or four years as the Chargers' starter (and it's still considerably less than a Tom Brady or anyone named Manning might get).

And speaking of Manning, I remember watching an ESPN segment of 'highlights' of Peyton's record setting touchdown year. What struck me most clearly was that in every one of the seven or eight touchdown throws shown, there was an opposing defensive lineman or linebacker within two yards of Manning leaning (being pulled) backwards towards the offensive lineman rather than towards the quarterback he was trying to reach--in short, the sort of play where we would all agree that the yellow hanky is SUPPOSED to get tossed. Obviously, in each of those cases, it was not.

I once met Billy Shields, former Chargers lineman who blocked for the Dan Fouts teams, and he said that during the first half, both lines are really just feeling each other and the officiating team out: seeing what they can get away with, what advantages or weaknesses they have relative to their opponents, whether the other guy is playing to hurt someone or playing 'straight up', as he put it. Late in the second quarter, and on into the second half, you start acting on what you know you can (or are allowed to) do, the coaching staff starts making their adjustments and tries to predict how the other guys will react, and the guys who have established their physical dominance will begin to assert it.

It seems likely to me that during that 'feeling out' period is when a quarterback is most likely to be able to complete a lot of passes. The defensive backs are being cautious, the lines are splitting their attention between the guy in front of them and how the refs react to what they're doing, so it seems possible to me that a well oiled passing combination could really exploit that time to jump out in front.

In both AFC playoff games, the more experienced passing team got more catches and yardage at first, but Gerard and Rivers weren't that far behind Brady and Manning's numbers even in the first half. In that sense, I think the officials were generally calling the game fairly in the first 20 minutes or so of the games.

In the Colts' game the ticky-tack stuff came once the Chargers made it clear that they weren't going to lay down for the home team, and the crowd started getting ugly (and here, I think the officials may have had a subconscious self preservation motive for some of their decisions).

However, I believe that there has been an improvement overall in the quality of the NFL's officiating. While that may only be a reflection of the fact that MY team is finally getting some benefit of the doubt (and winning games thereby), it does seem that the more egregious offenses are getting the exposure and ridicule on the national stage that should lead to them becoming less and less common.

ESPN, Fox Sports Network, and to a lesser extent, the NFL Channel, are a force for the good of the sport as long as they hold the game up to the light of day, and demand a level playing field for the traditional whipping boys of the league, instead of giving the star teams and players a pass just because they're better known.

cheers

horseback

jadger
01-16-2008, 11:58 AM
..... NFL officiating has been a concern to me as well. The 90+ pct pass completion stats put up by Brady and Manning last weekend can IMO only have been achieved with the cooperation of the referees. In the case of the Pats vs Jags game, NO holding penalties were called against either offensive line in pass protection. The opinion of the local Boston sports media is that the NFL has decided to "let 'em air it out" to emphasize offensive football.

Garrard and the Jags only had two incompletes the whole game before the final minutes of the game. I do think there was some shady calling last weekend, but it wasn't that bad.

Compare that to association football referees like Ľuboš Micheľ and you'll see NFL refs pale in comparison. Hell, last year was the first time Bayern Munich won with Ľuboš Micheľ as referee after more than 20 games, and it was the first time Real Madrid had lost with him as referee, after 18 games. come on, just look at the rest of his stats, and he is sometimes ranked the 3rd best referee in the world? that's a little bit more BS than you guys whining about a grab not being called.

BOA_Allmenroder
01-16-2008, 12:43 PM
Just remember:

Micheal Jordan never travelled and the NY Nick's are a physical basketball team.

The Pat's defensive backs could mug opponent's while, on offense, thier lineman could club defensive players and nothing would be called.

Try the same on the Pats and well, you'll see it this next weekend.

The NFL wants a Favre/Brady matchup: ratings would be out the roof.

So, unless the Giants/San Diego totally dominate the game, guess which way the close calls are going?

Blutarski2004
01-16-2008, 01:06 PM
Originally posted by jadger:
Compare that to association football referees like Ľuboš Micheľ and you'll see NFL refs pale in comparison. Hell, last year was the first time Bayern Munich won with Ľuboš Micheľ as referee after more than 20 games, and it was the first time Real Madrid had lost with him as referee, after 18 games. come on, just look at the rest of his stats, and he is sometimes ranked the 3rd best referee in the world?

..... I was in Munich the year that Bayern Munchen won the European League Cup (?) by tying the game at the very last possible moment, then winning on the shoot-out. Schalke had gotten the news that B/M was behind 1-0 at the end of regulation time - thought they had won the cup - everyone in the Schalke stadium including the owners went crazy in celebration - then they found out that B/M had actually pulled out a last-gasp win. Amazing time - 1,000,000 people in the strerets of Munich celebrating that night.




that's a little bit more BS than you guys whining about a grab not being called.

..... In European football, the referee has it in his power to call a foul and award a penalty kick. In American football, the referee has it in his power on any log pass into the end zone to call "pass interference" and place the ball on the defender's one-yard line with a first down. Both are almost guaranteed scores for the other team.

horseback
01-16-2008, 01:10 PM
The NFL wants a Favre/Brady matchup: ratings would be out the roof.

So, unless the Giants/San Diego totally dominate the game, guess which way the close calls are going? You just called up a long-forgotten memory from the early '80s for me: there was a game with the Patriots played back east (maybe even before they moved to Foxboro) where Kellen Winslow (Sr) literally had his jersey pulled up over his head by two Pats DBs on one play right in front of one of the officials, who just ignored it. After the play, Winslow ran up to the ref while a couple of his teammates were still trying to get his jersey back over his pads, obviously yelling at the guy for not throwing the flag--and another official was standing behind Winslow playing an imaginary violin, to the home crowd's delight.

After that, the Patriots were not flagged once for the rest of the game, and the Bolts seemed to get one every other play. I believe Merlin Olson was covering that game, and his attitude was that you just can't show the officials up that way.

God, I hope things have changed.

cheers

horseback

Blutarski2004
01-16-2008, 01:11 PM
Originally posted by BOA_Allmenroder:
The Pat's defensive backs could mug opponents



..... That was once true, and it was perfectly legal. Then Bill Polian (GM Indianapolis Colts and chairman of the NFL Rules Committee got upset and pushed through a rules change which made pass coverage much more difficult. Result? Colts, with a big passing game win Super Bowl. Result? Patriots read hand-writing on wall and re-organize themselves into a passing team.

Ho hum.