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DIRTY-MAC
04-13-2005, 05:54 AM
Its very rare I see someone fly the Tony online,
Why is this so?
Can´t it hold itself against others or what?
Do we have any Tony fliers here?

DIRTY-MAC
04-13-2005, 05:54 AM
Its very rare I see someone fly the Tony online,
Why is this so?
Can´t it hold itself against others or what?
Do we have any Tony fliers here?

DangerForward
04-13-2005, 06:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DIRTY-MAC:
Its very rare I see someone fly the Tony online,
Why is this so?
Can´t it hold itself against others or what?
Do we have any Tony fliers here? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's probably my favorite Japanese plane to fly. Can BnZ and turn with most allied fighters. Late in the war it's a challenge though. I think the cockpit is nicely modeled, just good to look at. I love the little moving indicators for flaps and rad setting.

LEBillfish
04-13-2005, 06:23 AM
I'm not sure if you're kidding or not but if it is an option in a coop it is always my first choice. It actually becoming difficult to get one.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v707/Kaytoo/78thki61skinssm1.jpg

nakamura_kenji
04-13-2005, 06:34 AM
I really like ki-61, it one favorite plane not wait ki-100 far which same plane better eninge ^_^

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v492/nakamura_kenji/grab02.jpg
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif ^_^

DIRTY-MAC
04-13-2005, 09:33 AM
Im not kidding
Its not often I see people fly it online

thats some real nice looking skins
were can I get those,
by the way when you talk about it turning with most of the allied fighter,
witch ones does it outturn?

VW-IceFire
04-13-2005, 09:55 AM
Billfish, I want those skins. Where did you find them? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I fly the Tony quite a bit. Its under appreciated and I've surprised quite a few people now with its superb dive abilities. Its biggest failing is the firepower. The best version is of course the one with the 2 MG151/20s on the wings. Sometimes that one is not available and the more common variants were the 4 12.7mm machine gun versions. Against tough armored American fighters its difficult to use those to any great effect. Their lack of ballistic ability like the .50cal makes them even harder to use.

I'm looking forward to the Ki-100 because of its better agility and improved firepower (namely two 20mm cannons mounted on the cowling). Its too bad we couldn't get another Ki-61 variant with this armament option as well. Would make another good 1944 Japanese army fighter with very little in the way of modification.

Its a good plane against opposition like the P-39 and P-40 where it is superior. Its more difficult to fight with as the war progresses.

LEBillfish
04-13-2005, 10:37 AM
well top three skins are my very first attempts at making a skin....other two, well a blending of I want to make something similar for a combat skin. Naturally all the detail and shading are lost in those pics but didn't want to have the thread widen.

Oh, and though the hei wastes med. bombers, sectioning up a20's like crazy with those 151/20...Give me the Ko any day with the nose 12.7 and wing 7.7....7.7's will put most 43 and before planes right out of action...engine hits and headers http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif P38's are helpless against it, all they can do is run.

ElAurens
04-13-2005, 11:07 AM
The Ki61 is my second favorite aircraft after the P40.

I fly it whenever it is available. And I agree with Billfish, the Ko is my version of choice, although I've not flown the Otsu much as it is never available online.

In early '43 scenarios you are untouchable if you fly it correctly. It is also the best Japanese tactical bomber in the game, by far.

VW-IceFire
04-13-2005, 11:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LEBillfish:
well top three skins are my very first attempts at making a skin....other two, well a blending of I want to make something similar for a combat skin. Naturally all the detail and shading are lost in those pics but didn't want to have the thread widen.

Oh, and though the hei wastes med. bombers, sectioning up a20's like crazy with those 151/20...Give me the Ko any day with the nose 12.7 and wing 7.7....7.7's will put most 43 and before planes right out of action...engine hits and headers http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif P38's are helpless against it, all they can do is run. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
First attempts eh? They LOOK fantastic. Can you put them up on www.flying-legends.net (http://www.flying-legends.net) or something like that. I'd very much like to add those to the collection!

Interesting about the preference of the Ko. I will have to try it.

LEBillfish
04-13-2005, 01:20 PM
Just in case there was any confusion I want to make it clear....only the top 3 are mine the other 2 bottom skins from IL2skins.com...The picture an example I used elsewhere to encourage the group I fly with as IJA to shift from my "flying circus" test/fun skins to combat...Those points of ref. of which I "want" to create a combination of the two as far as paint chipping.

So not mine.

VW-IceFire
04-13-2005, 01:37 PM
Those top three are what I'm impressed with actually. Very impressive skin work!

I'll have to figure out my technical issues and get some COOPs running. I'll be sure to feature the Tony.

Mackane1
04-13-2005, 01:46 PM
To a properly flown '38, a '61 is ALWAYS a tasty snack! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Makkusu_244
04-13-2005, 02:09 PM
=S= Dirty Mac

We at the 244th Sentai pretty much exclusively fly the Ki-61. Guess we've just missed each other.

http://img183.exs.cx/img183/1181/244mainbanner9tc.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/ohara_203ku/

=S=

=244=_Makkusu
CO of the 244th Sentai

EnGaurde
04-13-2005, 04:59 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

ive tried to like the Tony.

ive flown it regularly offline, tried to judge its nuances.

but.... it just doesnt return the lurve.

its not fast enough to escape a determined p39, it lights up like all japanese planes do, it mgs require fanatical aiming skills, and it has no rear view.

its like it has all the drawbacks of japanese planes, and none of the advantages of allied aircraft despite closer design.

i guess its a niche tool, like the ki43.

roll on, ki-100....

LEBillfish
04-13-2005, 05:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DIRTY-MAC:
Its very rare I see someone fly the Tony online,
Why is this so?
Can´t it hold itself against others or what?
Do we have any Tony fliers here? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">Okee dokee...Within this slew of posts is something that might surprise you...

I also fly as </span><span class="ev_code_RED">Ktu*78th*Sentai, or fully Taii Ktu*78th*HikoSentai, 14th Hikodan, 4th Kokugun
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v707/Kaytoo/78Fweb.jpg </span>
<span class="ev_code_YELLOW"> Which you can read about a little here..78th HikoSentai (http://www.jagdverband44.com/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=16&sid=757f67b46277b73d5c5872daadaa4dc8)

Now I can't speak for Nakamura_Kenji yet I have recently been in contact with a
Kiyoshi Kimura Of the 68thsentai, note of the "68th, HikoSentai" which is
a CFS2 group I believe coming over and now flying on HL.

Further down is Makkusu_244, or of the "244th, HikoSentai.

Ok, so what?...Well, the 68th and 78th were both new units formed in China in 42
then sent for training in Dai Nippon to head out to New Guniea as sister units in 43,
the 244th was a homeland defense unit that the very few of the survivors of the
68th & 78th when wiped out in 44 were transfered to.

What they all have in common is like most IJA units, they flew just one type of plane.
That means formed, trained for, then flew until all were gone...That plane in the case
of these 3 units real life was the Ki-61.

Naturally online we fly what's available even allied. However, here are 3
virtual squadrons formed based on r/l squadrons that "just flew the Ki-61".

Maybe you've just been missing us as we sit high on your 6 in the sun http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif</span>

Atomic_Marten
04-13-2005, 05:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by EnGaurde:
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

ive _tried_ to like the Tony.

ive flown it regularly offline, tried to judge its nuances.

but.... it just doesnt return the lurve.

its not fast enough to escape a determined p39, it lights up like all japanese planes do, it mgs require fanatical aiming skills, and it has no rear view.

its like it has all the drawbacks of japanese planes, and none of the advantages of allied aircraft despite closer design.

i guess its a niche tool, like the ki43.

roll on, ki-100.... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Although I don't fly KI61 much (but I love it), I know that it is in some regards *very* agile fighter in terms of manouverability. You should be able to outturn Cobra (I fly Cobras a lot and P39 is excellent in medium turn speed, but low turn speed is mauch much worse).

To summarize you should be able to gain advantage on P39D/N at low speed fight. Trouble is only to avoid initial attack, if bounced by high speed cobra http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif.

Every player that flies P39 in game should avoid low speed combat and should try not to get on the deck where he cannot run effectively if in trouble (dive).

Also I found Tony to be reasonable sturdy (unlike of course Zero). KI61 can take Hispano 20mm bullet in wing and still fly http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.


Like you I'm also wait to get improved KI61, the KI100.

DIRTY-MAC
04-13-2005, 07:05 PM
Im sorry LEBillfish but I have never come across these gyes.
but then again Im just online two or three times a moth for the moment. I don´t have my own computer so I have to go to a internet cafe to play http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif
but what planes of the allies can it outturn?

WTE_Dukayn
04-13-2005, 07:21 PM
I killed an F6F-3 on Tuesday night in the Ko. Didn't find it too hard to roll around the Hellcat at all.

LEBillfish
04-13-2005, 07:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DIRTY-MAC:
Im sorry LEBillfish but I have never come across these gyes.
but then again Im just online two or three times a moth for the moment. I don´t have my own computer so I have to go to a internet cafe to play http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif
but what planes of the allies can it outturn? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Which I'm not sure...I'n a dive it holds together to a higher speed then most, seems to cruise between 370-420kmh "modestly"...so there are tome points to compare with...Oh, and it climbs very fast.

VW-IceFire
04-13-2005, 09:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DIRTY-MAC:
Im sorry LEBillfish but I have never come across these gyes.
but then again Im just online two or three times a moth for the moment. I don´t have my own computer so I have to go to a internet cafe to play http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif
but what planes of the allies can it outturn? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Most or all of them. I have locked a Ki-61 into a turn fight with a Spitfire IX and I won eventually although I'm sure I was doing much better co-ordinating rudder and elevator motions than he was.

Turns better than the Hellcat, Corsair, probably the Wildcat, and better than the P-40 or P-39. Depending on the speed situation too.

The Ki-61 really has a great dive. Holds together through to about 650 or so. Good enough to bounce the intended prey. Holds the energy very well too so you can coast along very nicely. Its a much cleaner design than the Bf.109E that it borrows its engine from.

The Ki-61 is a dangerous opponent in the right hands...its also forgiving in a new pilots hands...but its not very deadly in that instance. Aim is required http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Daiichidoku
04-13-2005, 09:55 PM
I love the Ki61...heck, I even managed to find a Ki61 Mousepad...and my other yahoo mail addy is Hienki61@yahoo.ca

funny how most servers that will have them have the Otsu instead of the Hei, even tho they will have many other 44-45 types of other countries...guess they dont want the "uber" Heis in ther,e hehe

excellent plane...IRL gave corsair pilots a shock when it followed them in dives and kept up!

too bad about the climb tho, the only thing that really stinks...and like the 190, seems to suffer huge perf loss with relativly small damage...but I still enjoy flying it...down low it turns almost a sgood as a zero, and up high has a goo turn of speed, with good dive...but that climb is troublesome...

I just know Im gonna HATE when we get the Ki100...cuz EVERYONE will be flying it, and praising it....but they never had the time to check the original Ki61....babies, hehehehe

this is a link link to the site that INCREDIBLE video clips, including a landing Hien, all CG, but you will have to look twice to make sure they are not REAL!
http://www.angel.ne.jp/~tochy/

this is the skin I always use for my Hien....if you see it, better run...and not by diving!

http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0awAsAz8inFnel5VLmuzljNERPkHM8sFQ6Ydrq!877zkLJxQw* !I3alO0cDsSx5L6OHpmsJ5fOOm5AtCvE7wB2oHoU2R!aDrJXDV !JUm0y1ggEipNXnVGImxMH0nHJwJgJ0nqoI8riR9CCeq1oj456 8qeYPBDGv4L/Ki-61-I-Kai_Cpt_Tuiti_Itikava_244_Sentai.jpg?dc=4675518147 808345997

JR_Greenhorn
04-13-2005, 10:05 PM
The Ki-61 is almost my favourite plane in PF (possibly displaced only by my surprize favourite A-20G).

I've liked the Ki-61 since I've first read about it. The Bf 109 is fine and dandy and all that, but for some reason I find all the other DB 601-series fighters intriguing. I can't wait until the Ki-61 is joined by the Italian, Swedish, and "alternative" German fighters that share the same engine [family].

In PF, I find the Ki-61 a treat to fly. The cockpit is indeed one of the more nicely done, and the plane's performances suit my style (or lack thereof). I don't fly online, and therefore my opinion doesn't matter, but if I did, a Ki-61 would be my first choice if flying blue in the Pacific.

lucas_valentine
04-14-2005, 04:46 AM
These days I split my time between the Seafire and the Ki-61 and most of the time I fly the Ki-61. It really is a fantastic plane, so underestimated! Everyone has flown it once - they see its different design and they think it's gonna be uber, but when they fly it they end up being completely raped by other players and they never fly it again. So when I'm the only one on a server flying it and the enemy sees me flying it, they think I'm just cannon fodder! Big mistake, 'cos I am on their six before they can say "oh bugger" and I've sent their Spitfire Mk VIII into the drink. With a little practice, you can turn with nearly anything, even Zeros. And those you can't out-turn you can out fly in other ways. It's only major problems are it's slight lack of speed in comparison to later war fighters and it doesn't seem to have as much ammo as other fighters. My choice is always the Hei as it has the best armament of the three.

nakamura_kenji
04-14-2005, 04:57 AM
I most fly online with many friend on prviate server friend borrow sometime but they fly varied lot of aircraft so i get to compare to many. as many say it do lack speed but it make up for in many other area which make so wonderful ^_^.

for those not know it possible edit to campaign files so fly ki-61 ko on new gine where it first enter serivce i think . maybe not realistic but it fun fight p-40 and p-39 instead hellcat corsair, and also get ground attack mission not get when fly ki-43la get little variety ^_^