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XyZspineZyX
07-07-2003, 06:12 AM
Try a G6/AS. It's excellent.
Try it with a bomb rack. Still excellent.

Now.. try it with an Mk108 nose cannon. Somehow those few extra kilos hinder it more than the bombrack.

Or am I just imagining things? The "feel" of the bird changes towards worse with the Mk108.

Aces, respond.
Even RBJ (who without doubt is a messerphile with statistics of the FB1.0 behaviour of every 109 with every weapon configuration).

XyZspineZyX
07-07-2003, 06:12 AM
Try a G6/AS. It's excellent.
Try it with a bomb rack. Still excellent.

Now.. try it with an Mk108 nose cannon. Somehow those few extra kilos hinder it more than the bombrack.

Or am I just imagining things? The "feel" of the bird changes towards worse with the Mk108.

Aces, respond.
Even RBJ (who without doubt is a messerphile with statistics of the FB1.0 behaviour of every 109 with every weapon configuration).

XyZspineZyX
07-07-2003, 06:15 AM
Did you try it with bombs?

XyZspineZyX
07-07-2003, 06:22 AM
Read, "with bombrack." I meant "with bombrack, without bomb."

Even with 250kg bomb it rolls a lot better than any G6 in IL-2 :-) no complains there. I was just wondering. It's just a couple of kilograms more to switch from MG151/20 -> Mk108.

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XyZspineZyX
07-07-2003, 06:29 AM
even in IL2 the mk108 nose cannon make a big difference to the handling of the g6as

the default g6as without mk108 is my personal preference even in FB

XyZspineZyX
07-07-2003, 08:50 AM
If possible i try to use the MK 108. So i don't have alot experience with the AS without MK.

I didn't notice the AS slowing down too much with the cannon but i actually didn't test it. The AS still remains one of the best performance 109s, even if the mk would effect it.

Even if the mk108 is undermodeled i like it on the 109 and 190, too. It MAY bring down any target within a few shots (but you also MAY spend 15 shells and 15 hits on a PE-2 without any effect).

XyZspineZyX
07-07-2003, 09:07 AM
It's not just the extra gun weight, it's the extra ammo weight as well. Also, the weight shifts the center of gravity more than the bomb rack would. This would all effect the "feel" during hard maneuvers, but I don't think it would effect the climb rate or top speed alot.

XyZspineZyX
07-07-2003, 10:43 AM
The only reason I use MK108 right now is because MG 151/20 is much more undermodelled.MK108 gives no noticable performance loss and is still a much better alternative.


With MK108 you can go on bomber busting,IL2 busting,fighter sweep.With MG151/20 it`s only the last one.

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XyZspineZyX
07-07-2003, 04:54 PM
zholudev wrote:
- It's not just the extra gun weight, it's the extra
- ammo weight as well.

Actually, according to the docs I have, the ammo weight of MG151/20 equipped vartiants and MK108 equipped variants was almost the same: 88kg and 89kg. 30mm shells were much heavier, but you had only 65 instead 200...

The armament weight was somewhat heavier, by some 30 kg IIRC, but this is still very little. It could hardly effect speed, as both guns were inside the plane.

BTW, on my part, I didnt notice such big difference between the handling of the two variants. Mazbe with the MK108 it was a touch bit worser, but its hard to tell.

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XyZspineZyX
07-07-2003, 04:57 PM
little to no difference in performance in IL-2, for FB.... not sure but when i tested it that one time, it sure handled a heck of a lot better than my K-4, but didnt go as fast cause it was a G6/AS, but I never really tried it without the mk 108.

XyZspineZyX
07-07-2003, 05:51 PM
Werre_ wrote:
- Try a G6/AS. It's excellent.
- Try it with a bomb rack. Still excellent.
-
- Now.. try it with an Mk108 nose cannon. Somehow
- those few extra kilos hinder it more than the
- bombrack.
-
- Or am I just imagining things? The "feel" of the
- bird changes towards worse with the Mk108.
-
- Aces, respond.
- Even RBJ (who without doubt is a messerphile with
- statistics of the FB1.0 behaviour of every 109 with
- every weapon configuration).


I have noticed that if you don't take the MK108 you can roll a little faster and feel a little lighter, but it's not enough to warrant not packing it. Sometimes you only get 1 shot and you want to make it count. Also, it's not like the late 109 relies on it's maneuverability for sucess. You will still get outlooped by russian planes either way, so you might as well make 'em pay.

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XyZspineZyX
07-07-2003, 07:35 PM
Vo101_Isegrim wrote:

- Actually, according to the docs I have, the ammo
- weight of MG151/20 equipped vartiants and MK108
- equipped variants was almost the same: 88kg and
- 89kg. 30mm shells were much heavier, but you had
- only 65 instead 200...

Makes sense, I actually wondered about that after I posted.