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XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 06:03 PM
ill try to keep it simple

not many new sims comming out. if any

what are the chances that IL-2 will change from a russian vs. german game to a "on all fronts, and theaters" game?

we are a dying breed, and i would love to have a game that can give us a chance to fly our beloved aircraft. i never seen a black widow in a game, and id love to try, EAW has done an admirable job, but its dated, glorious, but old.

any chance that all aircraft can be modeled here, and this game will be our giant melting pot?

XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 06:03 PM
ill try to keep it simple

not many new sims comming out. if any

what are the chances that IL-2 will change from a russian vs. german game to a "on all fronts, and theaters" game?

we are a dying breed, and i would love to have a game that can give us a chance to fly our beloved aircraft. i never seen a black widow in a game, and id love to try, EAW has done an admirable job, but its dated, glorious, but old.

any chance that all aircraft can be modeled here, and this game will be our giant melting pot?

XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 06:05 PM
I second that

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XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 06:12 PM
the black widow is currently being modeled byyy...ummm....crap..if forget. either way, i too have been hoping for at least the western front. its a good idea though.

XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 06:18 PM
Time goes by..By the time the 3rd theater will be filled,Maddox` next sim will cause some players to move.

Other than that all depends on 3rd party modellers.

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XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 06:20 PM
I love the title " I WANT ALL PLANES"


a little demanding aren't you?

I mean i know hopw much everyone owes you, so i guess you can be demanding huh.


Of course, when they give you some of those plane, someone else will just come in and and how they're all the wrong planes.


Here, i've got some cheese for you.

Message Edited on 08/10/0312:23PM by Supr

XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 06:25 PM
Yes,bring them on,hey,I would even pay for a few ones.

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XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 06:33 PM
yeah, some people, will move on,

and im sure some are tired of the "fortress over europe " idea, but even if its old..i would still like the idea of being able to have a few fortress' fly over and drop payload. a night fighter campiagn, or hell, racing, ive noticed is gaining popularity!. maybe we can get a few talented people to use p-51s or yaks and stuff with todays engine performance, i think reno with updated warbird FM, and engine mapping/management would be great

but if its a great game. many will stay, and pour in thier ideas. EAW is old. but it looks like a favorite place for people to tinker with skins, terrains, and mods. still see new skins everyday!

i really do believe. sturmovik CAN be the next incarnation of this idea.

XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 07:18 PM
Supr wrote:
- Of course, when they give you some of those plane,
- someone else will just come in and and how they're
- all the wrong planes.

well, if you have every plane from ww2, then you cant have the wrong planes then

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XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 08:26 PM
Go buy CFS2 and download all the aircraft you want.

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XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 08:51 PM
SUPR.

obviously your an ***

..but i will apoligise for whatpeople might think i was tring to be "crybaby" like..title should have read "want all planes?" but im not the greatest typist dont know how i hit the "i" key oh well

if you couldnt tell, i want trying to come off as some sniveling kid that gets everything they want.

im just saying, i think it would be great to be able to have one game , with a great community to , to have many valuable aircraft on it. or campaigns, and keep it alive

i wasnt "whining" so dont be an ***.
no body owes me anything.(except you)! i believe an apology is in order

dont be a HYMEN CLOT !its not my fault you dont know how to get emotion or passion out of "text"

HERE. ive got scrotum for you. cheers!

XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 09:05 PM
I hope so, I just dont get the people who whine this is a russian vs german only sim. why not have all theaters, and plane sets and let the host choose what he or she wants to play

pacific
med
battle of britian
russian front
north africa
italy
spanish civilwar

Il2fb is the best wwii flight sim out and will be for along time unless computer speeds get doubled.

If oleg made a pay addon with all new ac and all the theaters above using the fb engine i would be more then happy to give him another 50 as long as its combined with fb and all the ac in fb.



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XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 09:08 PM
your just another in a long list of newcomers that do nothing but complain and whine

# 1 you yelled you want everything

# 2 that sounds like a sniveling little kid


Oh, ok, you don't sound as bad as some in the post, but the all cap title does look bad.


So, if you were really offended, so am i. But i'll say i'm sorry.



Message Edited on 08/10/0303:17PM by Supr

XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 09:14 PM
how good is CFS 2?

is it decent, ive always wanted to purchase it, but when i got there saw IL-2. (and purchased)...went back again some months later to buy it...and notice FORGOTTEN BATTLES.( and boght that was well.

ive heard 3 is really bad (to an extent) but i cant really say anything till i try it though.

thanx for the info on CFS 2, if they have a large base guess it wouldnt hurt to add to flight collection.

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XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 09:20 PM
GAU_8 wrote:
- how good is CFS 2?


CFS2 was good when it came out, but looks a bit dated now. However, it has masses of add-on aircraft available as freeware (including a Black Widow from the Fighter Design Group) and you should be able to pick it up cheaply enough.

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XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 09:20 PM
Supr wrote:
- I love the title " I WANT ALL PLANES"

and on another instance,

Supr wrote:
- your just another in a long list of newcomers that
- do nothing but complain and whine
-
- # 1 you yelled you want everything
-
- # 2 that sounds like a sniveling little kid
-
- Oh, ok, you don't sound as bad as some in the post, but
- the all cap title does look bad.



can't make up your own mind ey? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif haha



Message Edited on 08/10/0310:21PM by Fresshness

XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 10:45 PM
/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif I WANT A COOKIE!!!!! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif Buhuhu! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif GIMME A COOKIE! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif
This thread seem stupid!!! Soner or late we're gonna have new planes! till then SHUT UP!!!
The last thing we need on this forum is ppl that whine for stupid reasons just when patch whineing started to decrease come on! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-11-2003, 02:00 AM
sheesh, you all are gonna give your selves heart attacks, getting all worked up over something small like this

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XyZspineZyX
08-11-2003, 02:08 AM
Not my case, i have a perfect heart shape.....

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XyZspineZyX
08-11-2003, 02:47 AM
just curious... whose whining?

some of you people apparently attack, right after reading title, and dont read the ALL through the thread. nobody here has said.i MUST HAVE THIS, OR THAT (except title, but that was by ACCIDENT ...my fault)or any other inane giberish. if you want to gripe, go to lock on and see how many peeps were babies about the f-18 not being in! THATS WHINING!

well back to subject. some more Q.s ask

1. where/what are some good sites for skins, terrain, and new aircraft?

2.i consider myself to be a decent artist , but ive never skinned before, im about to get copies of photoshop(7 or 8 not sure), maya, light wave, and bryce. (friend works for continental in advertisng dept) so i know i have the supplies needed for a good skin. any recommendations where to go for a thorough skin making doc?

3 i have STAB for EAW. and I noticed there is an IL-2STAB.
same idea i take it? (terrain swithcer, sound, graphics)

thanx again for any info

XyZspineZyX
08-11-2003, 03:05 AM
For skins try www.Il2skins.com (http://www.Il2skins.com). Il2Stab is a very good utility for FB, don't know the one for EAW so I can't compare them .
You can't change the skin for the map, you can only change the map.
Both with Il2Stab you can use Il2Manager you can take them from http://www.checksix-fr.com ./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif


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XyZspineZyX
08-11-2003, 03:19 AM
Well, you know how it goes here; the Walter Mittys need to show their a*ses in a safe environment.

XyZspineZyX
08-11-2003, 03:56 AM
sorry about ppl typing into this thread with there opinion of you instead of their opinion of the topic GAU but you get labelled a whiner by ppl here easy

I ALSO WANT EVERY SINGLE " GREAT " WW2 PLANE

i dont care what country or time the maps are based on because i dont fly any other sim now , just FB

& because this is the VERY BEST prop flight sim i want to be able to fly aall the famous & not so famous but still deadly aircraft

& the more 46 project planes the better too

BTW Supr is an A$$

XyZspineZyX
08-11-2003, 05:17 AM
While getting all aircraft is probably going to be an impossible task...I think FB now has more airplanes in one sim than probably any other. Hopefully adding some more of the really well recognized ones like the P-51, Spitfire, Tempest, P-38, BF-110, and the B-17 will make things even more interesting to everyone.

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XyZspineZyX
08-11-2003, 08:25 AM
Platypus_1.JaVA wrote:
- Go buy CFS2 and download all the aircraft you want.

CFS2 is okay, but don't under any circumstances, fly CFS3. It's terrible. The graphics are on par with the original Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe, by Lucasarts (which was great for it's time, but dated now), and overall it's just very poorly done.


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XyZspineZyX
08-11-2003, 11:22 AM
Ummmmmmm P-39,P-40,P-47....soon to be P-51....a little later B-17, P-38, A-6M, Ki84.......true it isnt "all" aircraft but I think this sim is doing a great job.

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XyZspineZyX
08-11-2003, 11:32 AM
I agree. Saying "X aircraft does NOT belong because it did not fight on the German/Russian front" is stupid, blind, and assinine! Do you really want to LIMIT the possibilities of a flight sim? No. If we get aircraft like the F4F and Zero, you can do Pacific. Flyable IAR-80's and P-38's = Med. Spits = BOB. We need so few aircraft to make this a GLOBAL flight sim, why deny it? The main backers of the "Keep it German/Russian" theries are German fanboy Luftwhiners who do not want anything threaten there rain of superiority, though they dont really have it. They DONT want US or Jap aircraft in at all because they know it will make for a difficult fight. I say, the more the better!!!! Bring it on! IL2 was German/Soviet war, FB is EVERYONE!

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eskimo-FHmod
08-11-2003, 12:56 PM
just one off topic question:
why exactly do you need money to get a plane ingame ?


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fluke39
08-11-2003, 01:06 PM
Gibbage1 wrote:
- I agree. Saying "X aircraft does NOT belong because
- it did not fight on the German/Russian front" is
- stupid, blind, and assinine! Do you really want to
- LIMIT the possibilities of a flight sim? No. If we
- get aircraft like the F4F and Zero, you can do
- Pacific. Flyable IAR-80's and P-38's = Med. Spits
- = BOB. We need so few aircraft to make this a
- GLOBAL flight sim, why deny it? The main backers of
- the "Keep it German/Russian" theries are German
- fanboy Luftwhiners who do not want anything threaten
- there rain of superiority, though they dont really
- have it. They DONT want US or Jap aircraft in at
- all because they know it will make for a difficult
- fight. I say, the more the better!!!! Bring it on!
- IL2 was German/Soviet war, FB is EVERYONE!
-
-

i think IL2 pretty much acheived alot of Olegs goals for a eastern front simulation (AFAIK) and FB continues that legacy and improves on it - but why should it be limited to just the eastern front?


it's like the world's greatest chef baking a banana cake that's so tasty it sparks a revolution in the culinary world.
everyone agrees it's so incredibly tasty, unbelievably tasty even - but that it would be ABSOLUTELY DIVINE if he were to bake a chocolate or strawberry flavour.
the chef considers doing it - but those whose favourite is banana start a petition to the chef demanding that he only ever make it in banana flavour - for what reason - just so those who like chocolate cannot enjoy themselves ??

The banana flavoured cake is there, it's damn tasty and it will ALWAYS be there - and it will always be improved on too
but i can't wait for a chocolate flavoured one personally mmmmmmmmmm...... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

the chef and his team stand to make alot from producing these different flavours too. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif anyone can understand that.

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XyZspineZyX
08-11-2003, 01:34 PM
- why exactly do you need money to get a plane ingame?

[rant]
Because the people who put the planes in the freakin game need to eat!! If you want your planes for free, go and use the targetware games, fighter ace, or warbirds III.

If you want high quality in your flight sim, well, the price is money.

I mean, seriously, that's like asking Why do you need money to go to a concert? or Why do you have to pay for clothes? For the IL2 game, planes are added from a combination of dedicated fans and professional, *paid* staff. They don't collect monthly fees for online play, so they need to get money from the upgrades if development is to continue. That's life.
[end rant]

I entirely support the "World Flight Sim" Concept BTW. I think it could happen in five or six years, adding one theatre per one or two years in upgrade packs, slowly working in some pre-ww2 aircraft as well. I don't think FB will ever be suitable for supersonic flight planes or anything, due to the limited terrain visibility, but having such a complete and high fidelity model of an entire period in history, all over the world would be fantastic.

eskimo-FHmod
08-11-2003, 02:49 PM
rant

i asked a reasonable question , didnt i ?
your comparison is absolute rubbish but what gives..

i asked why i should donate to a dodgy paypal account to get a certain plane ingame.

there is either one or the other. you either pay for an addon (which is ok by me) or you get it for free due to the dedicated fanwork (which you see in the form of mods and probably take for granted). but you dont go donating money to someone of whom you neither know whether he is related to the development staff and acctually has the capabilities to bring additional planes ingame, nor know whether he is a he at all and for all you know could be a she.
get my point ?

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XyZspineZyX
08-11-2003, 05:36 PM
[re paying for making aircraft flyable]
- get my point ?

Yes, I misunderstood. I thought you were questioning the idea of future add-ons being payware, not people solicting donations for modelling aircraft.

No 3rd party should be modelling aircraft as a full time job, and I've never seen anyone solicting donations for a prospective plane. Since a modeller does only part of the work, and the plane may never appear in the game, such a payment is a flaky proposition at best.

The benefits for people doing modelling as I see them stand as:

- the plane you want gets in the game,
- other people do the same thing, so everyone gets more planes,
- respect and adoration from a bunch of people you don't know. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

If there's people out there asking for money as well, I think they should rethink this strategy. "Give me money and I might give you somthing" has never worked well as a business plan, except in the late 90s /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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I only just noticed the sig you were referring to as well! Well, now I'm interested too - where does the money go to make a model? Bribes? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-11-2003, 05:53 PM
hello all.

looks like the majority of us here, feal the same way

which im really pleased!

i CAN wait for new aircraft, as long as its quality stuff,

as i mentioned earlier, i know that the "fortress over europe " thing is usually over done..but it finally hit me.

see, i just recently started using gunner positions. so i now fuly realised that all positions on a b-17 could be used! only other game i saw like that was "the might eighth" while nice looking graphics, was way to slow, among other problems. i know what we all are looking for is a slow and involving task, but this is the best medium by far, compared to other graphic, and physics engines to date (excluding lomac)

i understand olegs point, when it comes to sims, all you see is either european or BOB campaigns. im glad he did decide to push for the yaks,il-2s and others. but on the other hand, why limit it...for the purists, maybe servers come out with a pacific, and you could only choose, pacific craft. i know it can be done. look at TX OC3.

AIRCRAFT LIMITATIONS.....how or why
where would you stand to say "this craft is ok, and this one is not"
if we go by year...then B-29 could be in future projects

but think of the damage ..would it be unfair? (conventional weapons of course)
or would you say..yes it was during WWII...but it is not acceptable.

were would you draw the line?

XyZspineZyX
08-12-2003, 01:20 AM
Sorry for the delayed reply. I have been asked this many times. I see you have a Forgotten Hope mod banner. I was on the initial team for FH mod. I was going to do a PBY, but I got into IL2 instead. But thats beside the point.

I dont have a full time job. My job, currently, is modeling for flight sims. My job is finally paying. But its getting the bills paid. That means I have no expendable income. I dont have enough money for research materials like books and stuff. Sure, for a game like BF1942, the limited pics and drawings you find on the internet are find and dandy, but for IL2 its a differant story. In my PBY referance folder I have nearly 120MB of JPG's, GIF's, TGA's and so forth of referances. I now have 3 books, and 1 CD full of great photo's by donators. THIS makes my job so much easier, and thus faster. I never EVER said the PBY would not get done without the donations. I said it would be done with or without, but it will be done faster and better with because I simply dont have the money.

If that does a good enough job explaining, good. If not, then I am sorry. But the donations I have gotten have helped me a LOT, and I thank EVERYONE who was donated.

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eskimo-FHmod wrote:
- rant
-
- i asked a reasonable question , didnt i ?
- your comparison is absolute rubbish but what gives..
-
- i asked why i should donate to a dodgy paypal
- account to get a certain plane ingame.
-
- there is either one or the other. you either pay for
- an addon (which is ok by me) or you get it for free
- due to the dedicated fanwork (which you see in the
- form of mods and probably take for granted). but you
- dont go donating money to someone of whom you
- neither know whether he is related to the
- development staff and acctually has the capabilities
- to bring additional planes ingame, nor know whether
- he is a he at all and for all you know could be a
- she.
- get my point ?
-
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eskimo-FHmod
08-12-2003, 01:34 AM
mate i sure hope you find a job one day that pays you what you are worth.

i just think it is a not a good way to accept money and get hopes up whether you can deliver in the end or not.as i understand it you still depend on maddox to get your models ingame. but to deal with disappointed donors is up to you and not really my business i guess. you might want to consider linking your website together with the donation button so people like me dont think badthings of you http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
the main problem i had was that i only saw a link to paypal(which didnt load propperly btw) and no reference to a website.
i checked out your site to which a link was posted in another thread i came across and the models are great. however i believe that the reference material we use is the same as yours. the FH modelers dont model by just some jpegs they find on the net. they do their research just like you do and infact i dont think they work less accurately than you.

i didnt know you where part of FH but then again i joined one-two month into the project. our loss was IL2s gain i guess http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
keep up the good work and *hint*hint* FH entered beta stage , we will release soon http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif



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XyZspineZyX
08-12-2003, 03:43 AM
Alternate Title:
i have a dream!

Personally, i think the "idea" behind Forgotten Battles is still the German/Russian thing.

That said... adding the Finns and the Rumanians, etc, makes it more complete. Polish pilots too? Better!

So too with the planes.
Gladiators, Gothas, it's all good.
i'm in favour of both

Sure it's not the same as jumping with both feet first into a Med or a Spanish Civil War campaign.

But if they could add carriers i wouldn't be opposed.

When the original poster asked about ALL AIRCRAFT he was asking that FB itself not be "forgotten" in the rush to add other areas.

i mean... imagine how giddy the Luftwhiners as well as those who like to fly Messers and Fokkers would be...
if they could fly a campaign all the way from the Emil in 39 to the Battle of Britain to a FW over Kursk to the 262 over Berlin...

Switching back and forth from the Eastern and Western fronts.... can't see why they'd be upset with more flying time. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

All in the same campaign?

They'd be happy.

Ditto - the Americans and the Russians pilots being able to fly missions against the Japanese once the European theatre is done.


Think big.

Sure... Oleg may do something else next.

But one day... there could be a game...


IL2 - The Whole Of The Second World War
Including All The Famous Fronts And The Other Ones Too!

Leave it to Marketing to spiffy up the name.

Cuz one day there will be computers that can handle all the maps and models.

Between dedicated work of modellers, skinners, and of course Oleg & Company.... the big corporate guys will see the light of day.

(And our cash cuz tell me YOU wouldn't buy a game like that if they made it?)

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post script - dunno if i included the eskimo-FHmod's post here, but that's cuz i don't know how to navigate these forum things.

post post script - not picking on anybody or anything, just trying to express my agreement with what i like about the original post.

post post post script - now that's cleared up i want my Pe2 flyable, along with a Su-2 and a type 28 I-16.

That's my two copper coins.

XyZspineZyX
08-12-2003, 05:15 AM
Cool to hear about FH. I thought it was too ambitious in the beginning, but its great to hear they are bringing it togeather! I myself LOVE BF-1942. Any chance of me helping the beta? I myself am a former Interplay QA beta tester and know a thing or two http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Contact me at gibbage@lycos.com if you want. I still want to build a PBY for BF1942. Something low detail and quick just like the rest of the 1942 stuff. Wont take me much time to do and its a good practice for the IL2 model. Plus, BF1942 was just made to have a PBY for some of the island maps http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Gib

eskimo-FHmod wrote:
- mate i sure hope you find a job one day that pays
- you what you are worth.
-
- i just think it is a not a good way to accept money
- and get hopes up whether you can deliver in the end
- or not.as i understand it you still depend on maddox
- to get your models ingame. but to deal with
- disappointed donors is up to you and not really my
- business i guess. you might want to consider linking
- your website together with the donation button so
- people like me dont think badthings of you http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
- the main problem i had was that i only saw a link to
- paypal(which didnt load propperly btw) and no
- reference to a website.
- i checked out your site to which a link was posted
- in another thread i came across and the models are
- great. however i believe that the reference material
- we use is the same as yours. the FH modelers dont
- model by just some jpegs they find on the net. they
- do their research just like you do and infact i dont
- think they work less accurately than you.
-
- i didnt know you where part of FH but then again i
- joined one-two month into the project. our loss was
- IL2s gain i guess http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
- keep up the good work and *hint*hint* FH entered
- beta stage , we will release soon http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
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- <center<A HREF="http://www.fhmod.com"
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I am now accepting donations to help get the PBY flyable.

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XyZspineZyX
08-12-2003, 05:21 AM
eskimo-FHmod wrote:
- rant
-
- i asked a reasonable question , didnt i ?
- your comparison is absolute rubbish but what gives..
-
- i asked why i should donate to a dodgy paypal
- account to get a certain plane ingame.
-
- there is either one or the other. you either pay for
- an addon (which is ok by me) or you get it for free
- due to the dedicated fanwork (which you see in the
- form of mods and probably take for granted). but you
- dont go donating money to someone of whom you
- neither know whether he is related to the
- development staff and acctually has the capabilities
- to bring additional planes ingame, nor know whether
- he is a he at all and for all you know could be a
- she.
- get my point ?
-
- end rant



The request for donations by Gibbage was directed at teh forum members who have been following his development of the PBY from the very start and have been supporting him already with photo's and blueprints. These people feel very involved in the PBY project and aer keen to see it flyable.

The donation request was never intended AFAIK for casual forum visitors who do not know Gibbage or his work.

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