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gigeoffrey2
03-08-2006, 08:54 PM
I have been playing a lot of the battlefield games and the flying aspect is my favorite part. Now I now that IL2 is not a arcadey type flight game, but when I stumbled acrossed it and saw it had a very big community I thought it was worth looking into. So that brings me here, I was wondering how the community is and also if a lot of people play the multiplayer, and also how is the multiplayer? How does it work? Do i need a joy stick to play? Which game has the most players and also which games are expansions and which are stand alone? As you can see I am very confused, but very eager to learn more. Any help would be greatly apprectiated. Thank you.

tagTaken2
03-08-2006, 08:59 PM
I'm too tired...

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/4871047252

Especially this:

http://www.airwarfare.com/sturmovik_101/faq_index.htm

Gibbage1
03-08-2006, 09:07 PM
Run. Run as fast and as far away as possible before its too late! RUN!!!!!!

Doug_Thompson
03-08-2006, 09:11 PM
Greetings, gigeoffrey2 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif


So that brings me here, I was wondering how the community is ...[quote]

Diverse and opinionated. A lot of the people here, though have real piloting experience and more have many, many hours of simulation flight. The forum also have quite a few people well versed in history. Those two groups also have some overlap, which helps a lot.

[quote]... and also if a lot of people play the multiplayer ...
yes
... and also how is the multiplayer? How does it work? Sorry. Haven't got a clue.
Do i need a joy stick to play? Yes, assuming you want to do well.
Which game has the most players and also which games are expansions and which are stand alone? I think its safe to say that on this forum, most folks have the whole wad: Pacific Fighters merged, as in merged with everything else. That's just a guess, though. IL-2 is standalone. Forgotten Battles is standalone and has everything IL-2 does, IIRC. Pacific Fighters is standalone, but you can't have all the planes unles you have the "merged" version.

If you can find the gold pack, which has FB and the Aces expansion, then get PF, then install the patches, you're set. Or you can wait until the overall package comes out, which will include everything. It's supposed to come out later this month, but you know how those announcements go. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

-HH- Beebop
03-08-2006, 09:16 PM
Welcome gigeoffery2 to the forums. Here are some answers to your questions- - -

I have been playing a lot of the battlefield games and the flying aspect is my favorite part. Now I now that IL2 is not a arcadey type flight game, but when I stumbled acrossed it and saw it had a very big community I thought it was worth looking into. So that brings me here, I was wondering how the community is

the community is quite helpful and generally very friendly.

and also if a lot of people play the multiplayer,

up to 500 or so at any given time

and also how is the multiplayer?

smooth and relatively lag free considering the complexity of the game

How does it work?

most people play on Hyperlobby. You can get the client here:
http://hyperfighter.sk/

Do i need a joy stick to play?

Absolutely! It is much too real to use a keyboard or gamepad

Which game has the most players

Currently the most popular version is Forgotten Battles + Aces Expansion Pack + Pacific Fighters merged, version 4.04m

and also which games are expansions and which are stand alone?

Aces Expansion Pack is, as the name suggests, the expansion pack for Forgotten Battles. Pacific Fighters can be merged with FB/AEP or played as a standalone. The original IL-2 Sturmovik is a standalone but very few play it anymore

As you can see I am very confused, but very eager to learn more. Any help would be greatly apprectiated. Thank you.

Believe me you are no more confused than any of us were when we started.
My recommendations:
Buy the Forgotten Battles/Aces Expansion Gold Pack and Pacific Fighters. You'll get the most out of the sim that way.
Get a joystick. You don't have to spend a lot. Many of us use a HOTAS (Hands On Throttle And Stick). Saitek makes excellent joysticks IMO and their X-45 and X-52 are great value for money if you want to go the HOTAS route.
For best results you should have at least a Gigabyte of RAM, a 2.8 P4 or equivalent AMD processor or faster and a recent video card, 128 MB memory minimum. Now the game can be played with less but the graphics, which are awesome IMO, will suffer.
Read the stickys at the top of the page for more details, especially the "IF YOU READ NOTHING ELSE" thread.

A word of warning, once you start you WILL become addicted.

If you have any more questions, just ask. We're here to help.

Gibbage, it's good to see you still lurk around here.

gigeoffrey2
03-08-2006, 09:25 PM
Thank you very much for your help, and actually I do have another question, do all the 4 games run on windows xp? Because I tried the demo and when I tried to install it gave me a operating system error. Thanks again for your help!

-HH- Beebop
03-08-2006, 09:27 PM
Yes, they run quite smoothly on WinXP.
Perhaps a few more details on how you tried installing the demo could help us out a bit. Did you download the demo? Did you use a download accellerator?

gigeoffrey2
03-08-2006, 09:40 PM
here is the link where I downloaded it from
http://files.filefront.com/SEARCH/;16433;;/fileinfo.html
When I open the directroy there are 2 exe, isdel.exe and setup.exe. When I open isdel.exe it gives me a 16 bit Windows Subsystem error and when I click the setup.exe it gives me a message that says, "Cannot Install: SETUP or INSTALL program filename contains folder information. Use Actions/CheckOut instead."

-HH- Beebop
03-08-2006, 09:49 PM
Probably should have just clicked setup.exe. Do you get the same message everytime you try to install?

If you have anything faster than 56K try deleting the current file and re-downloading.

**man it's been so long since I played the IL-2 demo** It's what hooked me though.

Maybe someone smarter than me has a better solution.

gigeoffrey2
03-08-2006, 09:58 PM
HaHa thx beebop, ill try from another site.

Skycat_2
03-08-2006, 10:03 PM
Originally posted by gigeoffrey2:
I was wondering how the community is and also if a lot of people play the multiplayer, and also how is the multiplayer? How does it work?
The community is *literally* worldwide. This site is a good place to interact with other players; SimHQ forums (http://www.simhq.com/simhq3/sims/boards/bbs/ultimatebb.php?ubb=forum;f=144) is another highly popular discussion site.
For online play, UbiSoft has a server which hosts a few MP rooms, typically dogfight rooms. You can connect to those through the software and it is free, although to be honest most of the rooms are accessible only if you have all three official releases 'merged' together and patched to the latest version. Hyperlobby (linked in my signature) is another highly popular MP server, and it is free to use; take a look and you'll see how many people playing this sim at Hyperlobby at any given time. The game can also be played over LAN and through private servers.

Do i need a joy stick to play?
Technically, no, but its highly recommended. I know some 'shooter' games map the mouse to be the primary flight control; in the FB/PF series the mouse is used for accessing kneeboard maps, operating pivoting machine guns and panning around in the cockpit views. You can use the keyboard arrows but the control of the planes isn't as fine ... besides, using a joystick frees up many keyboard buttons that can be mapped instead to features like bombsight/gunsight controls or other undefined features.

Which game has the most players and also which games are expansions and which are stand alone?
IL-2 Sturmovik -- original release of the game; can be found as a 'budget title' for very cheap. Does not accept expansions except mission packs specifically made for it. Some MP traffic but I'd recommend <span class="ev_code_RED">don't buy this</span> unless you just want a taste of the FB/PF series. Unsupported by the developers since 2003 when Forgotten Battles essentially replaced it.

IL-2 Forgotten Battles -- Think of this as the first part of the current FB/AEP/PF trilogy. Released as a 'sequel' to IL-2 Sturmovik, FB has all of IL-2's planes and maps plus many more. This can be played as a standalone sim; patch up to fb_v1.22 if you get no other parts of the trilogy. MP traffic, in my assessment, is very light. You'll also want ...

Ace Expansion Pack -- This can only be used as an expansion to Forgotten Battles. The best way to get this is in the Gold Pack that combines FB and AEP in one box. Patch up to AEP_204 if you don't get Pacific Fighters to combine to FB+AEP. Your chances of finding a compatible MP room for FB will increase if you have AEP, but it won't be as high as if you also have Pacific Fighters.

Pacific Fighters -- the same product can be played either as a standalone game or as an expansion to FB+AEP. You can even install it both ways on your computer if you choose. Pacfic Fighters is the third component of the trilogy and the FB+AEP+PF 'merge' is how you'll find the bulk of online players. Patch to pf_v404m if you have the trilogy and you can play any offline mission or campaign ever made for the IL-2/FB/PF series. If you stick with just the 'standalone' version of PF you'll be much more limited in both online activity and the availability of compatible offline custom missions.

<span class="ev_code_RED">Wait for the upcoming DVD pack</span> that will have all components of the series at the most current version, plus possibly new material we haven't seen yet. The release has been delayed by a few weeks but there is rumor that the DVD pack will be announced at the end of the month to be released simultaneously with a new expansion pack.

tagTaken2
03-08-2006, 10:06 PM
Perked up a little post-coffee http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

The demo might acutally seem a little bleak and scary, or that's how I initially found it. I went back to CFS3 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif for a couple of months until I got utterly fed up with its inaccuracies, and retried the demo... it's been about 3 years, and I just keep finding new things to like about this sim.

Xiolablu3
03-08-2006, 11:18 PM
Hi, forget teh origianl IL2.

You need Forgotten BAttles, Aces Expansion pack and Pacific Fighters for the best experience.

Online this, is the best game I have ever played.

I have probably clocked up about 1000+ hours.

Just find those 3 for as cheap as possible and you will be good to go.

russ.nl
03-09-2006, 12:29 AM
Hi gigeoffrey,

You're right this isn't a arcade game you really have to learn how to fly. There for you shouldn't worry about online flying yet. You will get owned and probbeble wont like the game anymore then.
Buy yourself a cheap joystick and play around a little, I bed you will like it
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SithSpeeder
03-09-2006, 12:36 AM
Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
>>>>>SNIP<<<<
I have probably clocked up about 1000+ hours.
This is exactly why Gibbage said to RUN!


Just find those 3 for as cheap as possible and you will be good to go. You need a joystick either with rudder control (twisty). HOTAS is the next step up. Rudder pedals are fantastic. TrackIR rounds out the mix and makes it totally immersive (head tracking device that allows you to look around with your head). As mentioned before, you need a reasonably good PC and video card.

Really, check out the sticky posts in this forum. They have reading that will take you months to get through, but it's really good stuff.

Welcome to our community.

* _54th_Speeder *

ReligiousZealot
03-09-2006, 12:44 AM
Pretty much everyone has said what needs to be said in the way of what you need, but I have one additional piece of advice: take it slow. Don't get frustrated when you can't complete certain aspects initially, you'll get better with practice. I see that in your sig you're a BF2/CS:S player, and I'm sure you weren't the greatest when you first started playing those games, so treat this game the same way. It's got a higher learning curve, but once you get the hang of it, you will become addicted as Beebop already stated. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

If you do get sucked into the game, you might find yourself shelling out money for a TrackIR (http://www.naturalpoint.com), well worth the investment is what I can say. Anyway, good luck and happy flying, hope to see you in the virtual skies soon http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

Edit: This is the best WWII Combat Flight Sim out there, aside from minor things, it does have the best support from its developers I've ever seen for a game.

The other thing I wanted to add is, lose the notion that WWII combat was aircraft turning and sharply maneuvering with each other - this is not always the case. If you're struggling with combat tactics in one aircraft, come check the forums for help, as well as the virtual squadrons for they will probably be the biggest help.

Bearcat99
03-09-2006, 02:16 AM
Read this (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/26310365/m/4591089933/r/4591089933#4591089933).


As for the community read this (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/114103926) and this (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/2101020713).

On any given night Hyperlobby has numbers inthe hundreds... mid to high hundreds...

Welcome aboard.... you might also want to hit the Essentials link in my sig.

jds1978
03-09-2006, 05:42 AM
Howdy, gigeoffrey2, and welcome to the forums.

The DVD featuring all three games is coming out soon...probably within the month (don't hold me to it) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Once you get everything set up for online play, consider joining a squadron.

This thing takes lots of patience, but if you put some time in it you will be rewarded

gigeoffrey2
03-09-2006, 07:59 AM
Hey thanks a lot everyone I really appreciate your help. I am going to the mall later today so ill keep my eyes peeled for these games! Thanks again for clearing things up for me, i am very excited to play!

carguy_
03-09-2006, 08:22 AM
Just for your mental safety,I recommend you to forget everything you heard about WWII airplanes and their armament up to date.

stathem
03-09-2006, 08:33 AM
Might it be worth mentioning the imminent arrival of the Platinium (or indeed Gold) pack?
Perhaps someone better informed than me can tell us where we're up to with this.

I believe the Ace expansion pack is quite difficult to find, so might be better to hang fire.

Tully__
03-09-2006, 04:28 PM
Originally posted by gigeoffrey2:
I have been playing a lot of the battlefield games and the flying aspect is my favorite part. Now I now that IL2 is not a arcadey type flight game, but when I stumbled acrossed it and saw it had a very big community I thought it was worth looking into. So that brings me here, I was wondering how the community is and also if a lot of people play the multiplayer
By far the majority of players play mainly offline, however there is a thriving and active only community where you can usually find several hundred pilots flying and sometimes well in excess of a thousand. There are a number of formal competitions available if you're interested and more squadrons (flight sim equivalent of clans) than I've ever cared to count.




and also how is the multiplayer? How does it work?
Multiplayer is good. It is far more resilient with what a fps gamer would consider high pings than most other games, with good game play available with pings over 300ms provided your connection is stable and is not losing packets. There are several game lobbies available to find online games. I'd recommend Hyperlobby, the software can be downloaded from http://hyperfighter.sk/ The other options are ubi.com (comes with the game but has problems) or All Seeing Eye (http://videogames.yahoo.com/multiplayer) IIRC Gamespy also shows some IL2 series games but it doesn't seem to be very popular as a server browser in this community.



Do i need a joy stick to play? Not if you don't mind being pw|\|3|), but I very highly recommend you get one. See the "Joysticks & IL2/FB/PF" link under my signature picture.



Which game has the most players and also which games are expansions and which are stand alone? Complete IL-2 Series

IL-2 Sturmovik - Released 2001 IIRC, this game went trough a series of patches up to version 1.2. You will still occasionally find servers active at Hyperlobby (http://hyperfighter.sk/)

IL2 Forgotten Battles - Released 2003, this is a sequel. It had all the original IL2 Sturmovik maps and aircraft plus a bunch of extras and a new semi-dynamic campaign mode. Again a series of patches was released up to version 1.22

Ace Expansion pack - An add-on pack for IL2 Forgotten Battles released 2004, this added even more maps and aircraft to the available set. Out of the box this expansion brings IL2 Forgotten Battles up to version 2.0, then additional patches bring it up to version 2.04. Servers for Forgotten Battles/AEP versions 1.22 or 2.0 can occasionally be found at Hyperlobby.

Pacific Fighters - Released 2005, Pacific Fighters is a standalone game but can also be installed as a second add-on for the IL2 Forgotten Battles/Aces Expansion Pack combination. It provides/adds a collection of locations and aircraft from the Pacific Theatre. Out of the box it is version 3.0 for standalone and 3.0m for the merged installation, with patches adding tweaks and extra content.

Most online play the full FB/AEP/PF merged version patched up the latest patch (currently v4.04m).



As you can see I am very confused, but very eager to learn more. Any help would be greatly apprectiated. Thank you.
It wont take long and you'll be getting the hang of things, though the aicraft in this game are very chanllenging to fly at first. Provided you're prepared to put in quite a bit of time you'll thoroughly enjoy this game series.