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XyZspineZyX
09-03-2003, 04:35 PM
Greetings all.
Well, looks like people are really enjoying externals views. Recently i disabled them on my server and replaced it with limited padlock + limited friendly icons. And couldn`t gather more then 5 ppl on the server that holds 14+host. That`s strange...i was getting so many requests to turn them off...and now it`s practically empty. So, what`s the dealio? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Funny thing is, with externals on, i couldn`t get into my own server sometimes for 40 minutes. Or maybe 1941-1943 plane set is not really desireable?
What to do? Turn externals back on and allow all planes? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-03-2003, 04:35 PM
Greetings all.
Well, looks like people are really enjoying externals views. Recently i disabled them on my server and replaced it with limited padlock + limited friendly icons. And couldn`t gather more then 5 ppl on the server that holds 14+host. That`s strange...i was getting so many requests to turn them off...and now it`s practically empty. So, what`s the dealio? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Funny thing is, with externals on, i couldn`t get into my own server sometimes for 40 minutes. Or maybe 1941-1943 plane set is not really desireable?
What to do? Turn externals back on and allow all planes? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

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Hunter82
09-03-2003, 04:38 PM
For whatever reason allow all planes and padlock get the visits.... I ran limited plane sets red/blue and didn't get many takers.. I can easily host over 25 and would be a 8-10 max player.....set to all planes now it's usually full.....now if I could just get everyone to turn off skin download there would be no problems at all.

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XyZspineZyX
09-03-2003, 04:46 PM
I like external view as well. It could be because I'm so vain and like to look at myself on flyby/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
Cockpit allways on
External view yes
No icon,check
Padlock yes
And every thing else full real is what I hunt for on line.
I can't play in a server with icon on. To me its just gross.

XyZspineZyX
09-03-2003, 04:51 PM
Yup, Hunters server is great. Saw it in action with 26 ppl and it wasn`t laggy. Sometimes small freezes...but that`s spawn/skin stuff. No worries H, skin download disabled here /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Maybe i`ll try all planes, will see what happenes.

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XyZspineZyX
09-03-2003, 04:56 PM
To Hunter again.

Just a Question.

In the FB setup i have skin download off or unchecked. In the game in Network Options i also have skin download off.

Funny thing, when i check the Cach there are always skins and i have to keep deleting them.


Is there another way to to prevent these usles skins from getting on my comp?

XyZspineZyX
09-03-2003, 05:05 PM
crazyivan1970 wrote:
- Greetings all.
- Well, looks like people are really enjoying
- externals views. Recently i disabled them on my
- server and replaced it with limited padlock +
- limited friendly icons. And couldn`t gather more
- then 5 ppl on the server that holds 14+host. That`s
- strange...i was getting so many requests to turn
- them off...and now it`s practically empty. So,
- what`s the dealio? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Funny thing is, with
- externals on, i couldn`t get into my own server
- sometimes for 40 minutes. Or maybe 1941-1943 plane
- set is not really desireable?
- What to do? Turn externals back on and allow all
- planes? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

I dunno crazyivan, that's just the sort of server I personally look for. Not sure why so many people only play on all planes servers. They always end up just being P39Q-10 vs. latest 109 or latest 190. Gets kinda old for me.

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XyZspineZyX
09-03-2003, 05:21 PM
Gents, I prefer servers with limited red/blue plane sets and externals off, even though my situational awareness is terrible. I tend to fly anything with a rear gunner to put this right.
/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
Hunter, I was on your server the other day and it was excellent. Keep them going guys - 'If you build it they will come'.
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Hunter82
09-03-2003, 05:22 PM
You are downloading pilots and regiments...the 2 things I find useless to download vs.skins. Do no delete them unless they are incomplete..to check turn folder to thumbnail view..any picture that does not display delete..it is corrupt from download.DO NOT DELETE your net cache, Next time you join a game that skin is already downloaded and assigned a number based on skin name if left and you do not get the transmission...reducing lag! Not many people do this but it makes a big difference IMO...Leave skin download off and clean up only the pilots/regiment files that are corrupt.


VF_310thSilent wrote:
- To Hunter again.
-
- Just a Question.
-
- In the FB setup i have skin download off or
- unchecked. In the game in Network Options i also
- have skin download off.
-
- Funny thing, when i check the Cach there are always
- skins and i have to keep deleting them.
-
-
- Is there another way to to prevent these usles skins
- from getting on my comp?
-
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Hunter82
09-03-2003, 05:25 PM
Also any custom skins already on your system reduce possibility of lag from Skin D/L...it does not need to be drawn/downloaded then.

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XyZspineZyX
09-03-2003, 06:03 PM
Hmmm...I used to download any and every skin that I liked even a little bit but stopped because I can't really use them anymore anyway. (i.e. most servers with very low lag occurrences have skin DL disabled). Maybe I'll start collecting them again and hope to be able to use them in the future.

As far as server settings are concerned, I don't mind FR with the one exception of the mini-map icon for personal navigation purposes. I was on the FA server last weekend and it was set to FR. Period. It was fun but was diminished slightly when I was vulched and strafed just after take-off by friendlies...HELLO! FR is cool and quite challenging. If those settings are going to be used, I would like to see more serious pilots attempting to accomplish an objective.

The thrill of navigating by landmarks and compass headings to a specific location (it happened to be an enemy airfield this time) was high when my early war IL2 (no rear gunner) was able to attack with impunity after neutralizing the AAA. Escape was much easier as well (RTB being one of MY prime objectives).

Geez, I can ramble. Just my 2 cents worth.



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Hunter82
09-03-2003, 06:10 PM
I think when the new scripts come out DF servers will be a better more co-op like scenerio... One thing I do miss from the CFS series is the last alive or team kill settings for play in a DF server... I think those things when Bernie and Sammie get done will add a whole new realm to play that some like me miss. Points are points but when team play is done in a non virtual war style ie: squad vs squad play the options I metioned before open alot of options IMO.

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XyZspineZyX
09-03-2003, 08:06 PM
It's all my fault... I asked Ivan to turn externals off so there would be more stealth play and so that the non-duelist fighters would actually have a chance! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

XyZspineZyX
09-03-2003, 08:46 PM
609IAP_Recon and sometimes myself run Limited to year a/c w/ only speed bar(rarely but sometimes minimap also) enabled and are packed to compacity regularly.If thats your preference look us up on HL,S!

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XyZspineZyX
09-03-2003, 09:01 PM
Crazyivan:

This looks like the stuff i like to play. I personally love 42/43 servers cause it is the best planeset IMHO and you could turn off padlock too as i never use it. my squad always searches for FR servers and i know many others do too, so i dunno why your server is empty.

2 things we need in FB:
The 110 and the desert!!!
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XyZspineZyX
09-03-2003, 09:19 PM
I fill my server up many times - leave it running all night and still people playing when I wake up in the morning:

settings: full real + speedbar.

usually 1941 planeset or sometimes 1943
Island map is best for playability as well.


I typically host because I can't stand the 'extra's' used out there

And, since someone once said, if you don't like it host be a host yourself...well there we go http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


Externals is completely and utterly ruin this game for me - I refuse to play those settings and if that was all there was, I'd play offline.

(a dedicated server would help)

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Message Edited on 09/03/0308:21PM by Recon_609IAP

XyZspineZyX
09-03-2003, 09:24 PM
I had to turn skin downloads on because people fail to recognize that they need markings turned on.

Too bad the client decides that.

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Message Edited on 09/03/0308:24PM by Recon_609IAP

XyZspineZyX
09-03-2003, 09:30 PM
i like externals - although ww2 pilots did not have them, the ability to watch othe platers, their skins, other dogfights and maneuvers is very enjoyable.
it also compenstates for the lack of visibility in the computer - planes look like dots untill they are real close, while in reality you see much better.

XyZspineZyX
09-03-2003, 09:54 PM
IDF_Raam wrote:
- i like externals - although ww2 pilots did not have
- them, the ability to watch othe platers, their
- skins, other dogfights and maneuvers is very
- enjoyable.
- it also compenstates for the lack of visibility in
- the computer - planes look like dots untill they are
- real close, while in reality you see much better.

Till people use Crtl+F2 to find out where every other plane is and get a distinct advantage that you don't have with externals off. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

XyZspineZyX
09-03-2003, 10:45 PM
I have one foot on both sides in this issue.

I like externals sometimes - it can help you locate a certain someone to whom you'd like to serve a little payback and it can make long flights to the action less tedious because you can watch the other players. And yes, you can pop out of the plane and see where a boogie went after you dove into a cloud to get away.

But the element of surprise is totally gone. It gets annoying to boom and zoom when the boogie sees you everytime and breaks at the last instant.

So I'm about 60% against, and 40% for, externals. Seems that most servers have externals these days. So it's good to be flexible.

Other features (PL and icons) don't make as much difference. Externals change the game.

XyZspineZyX
09-03-2003, 10:55 PM
I`m on the same page with you Rall... no externals gives you different feel and you know that if you build your attack right...opponent has no chance... that is being said.. my flying stile fits no externals perfectly (Not much of turn and burner here). On the other hand... i think we are all missing out with current state of externals. I even started this thread : http://forums.ubi.com/messages/message_view-topic.asp?name=us_il2sturmovik_gd&id=yzuep ...and as it builds up i`ll send link to Oleg for sure..as i did many times with different threads.
I spend so much money on hardware, so much time ...and now staying at crossroads.... Either challenging, ejoyable game....or ..man look how pretty it is on my machine..WOW! Both are tempting... i wish 1C could do something with those externals... oh well, we`ll wait and see.

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XyZspineZyX
09-03-2003, 11:13 PM
I've always wondered why they didn't have an option to make externals only available after your dead or as you said in the other thread, "whenever refly is available" seems like it should be simple enough.

And for icons, i have flown on a server that only had a red or blue "."(dot) for icons, and it was set at a very short distance. Like maybe 2km or even less. Of coruse planes were restricted by side.( which is the the way it should be) As a no icon fan, i thought that was the best setup i've seen. I dont like the friendly icon only server, the enemies always seem to get lost in the friendly icons. I'd rather have none. But please keep the padlock, just keep the distance down to a min.

Hunter82
09-04-2003, 12:06 AM
OK my server is up on HL now..... runs from 7PM EST to about 12 AM. It's under IDC_Server ....give it a test spin......please edit the hyper conf as said earlier and turn off skin download...it works wonders /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Hunter82
09-04-2003, 12:10 AM
oops didn't post HL edit info in this thread..

edit your hlpro.ini to reflect your true internet connection speed not the default 14.4 hl settings...that causes too much packet loss/warping.

go into IL2 setup and enter your true speed ie: cable/dsl open conf.ini after you close IL2 setup and look for these lines speed will equal your setting.

[NET]
speed=25000

open hlpro ini and edit this to equal the conf ini speed

[Forgotten Battles]
joinDelay=20
clientRate=25000



save changes and join game......will help with lag issues on any server....hopefully enough people will do this /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 01:43 AM
Thanks Hunter! I was set to 14.4k on a cable connection. Glad I saw this.

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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 04:11 AM
Man... i switched to all planes but jets...and leaft same no-externals, limited friendly icons and limited padlock...now i can`t get in /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

ME HAPPY /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 07:19 AM
Externals are boring, because everyone is forced to use the best dogfighters availabe.Who dare to use Il2, He111 or even P47 on servers with externals on? He/she would't last long for sure. B&Z tactics are also very compromised at this setting, it's only good for "fast fun".If I have time I'm always going to FR or FR+PL servers.You can even have succcessful bombing raid in Stuka there!

XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 07:57 AM
well i loved it i was tyring to find a server like yours and i had fun playing.....

XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 02:56 PM
I have being playing a lot "cockpit only" lately with my squadron.

One of the things I seriously miss now is enjoying the nice graphics of the game /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif
The only thing I see is the oily glass window of my ME109 and some dots I am trying to hunt down.

External views are great, not because the make the game less realistic or easier to play (for beginners) but simply because they give very nice graphics AND are much easier to play long hours (less eye strain).

What is the meaning of investing 1000 Euro in TrackIR & 20" monitor & ATI9700 & 1Gb just to have an stained glass and some reflections on it !!!!!
And it gets black and full of holes so often... LOL

I hope the final patch brings the windshield washer system for my ME109 ! O L E E E G !!!!!

I miss my external views....

OK I wrote it, now flame me!


PS. Hunter, thanks for the settings

XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 03:08 PM
greater green is usually always full and it doesnt have externals,

externals are popular because many people rely on them to stick yank a plane closing in on them, as we all do.

I like externals for looking at damage and scenery but seems its just used for checking peoples 6 and used for avoiding fire, I wish there was a way we can fly with externals on but in externals stick movement would be slowed down 50% or more. It would make people actually use jink tactics rather then stick yanking which looks so ridiculous you cant call fms even semi realistic in il2 FB.

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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 03:46 PM
(since I am gonna be flammed anyway for my previous posting...)


I think Leadsplitter touched the core of the problem.

..and maybe it is a better solution than the "Windshield Washer" patch (applies only to ME109s) LOL /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif