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II_JG1_Falke
03-15-2006, 10:09 PM
Perfect Settings with Excellent water - Please

Yes I get great frame rates in perfect, and thanks to Perfect I also get great looking terrain that's better than "Excellent' for spotting low aircraft, and you can see for miles. But no matter what my settings are, (and I've tried every combination I can think of), the water along coasts, rivers and bays looks like ****e. Very 'blocky' around the edges and it really spoils the immersion.

Yes we have water 0,1,2,3 and 4 and we appreciate it. But the higher I go, i.e. from 0 to 1 and 1 to 2 and so on, the worse the performance gets (Lower frame rates and 'choppiness')and the edges between land and water don't improve.

When I run settings at excellent however, the blockiness disappears and the edges look great! Only problem is, I lose that nice perfect terrain, and believe it or not the frames rates actually drop 10 points! Can't have that!

So what How about it Oleg, "Perfect Settings" with a choice of excellent water in the next patch? --- Please?

Capt.LoneRanger
03-16-2006, 12:31 AM
10fps?

What graphics-card do you have? Maybe you should "patch" that one first?

If you set water to 1 it is basically "excellent" - other than that, I suggest you use IL2-Manager, a perfect tool to tune your graphics settings for your needs.

If the edge between water and strands is too choppy, that is probably due to your settings and your gfx-card.

DanoClark
03-16-2006, 06:45 AM
Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:
If you set water to 1 it is basically "excellent"

No, it's not.

I agree with the OP, I'd like the option to fly with perfect terrain but Excellent Water, the shaded water edges look awful, you also miss out on the shadowed river banks in perfect mode too.

Blackjack174
03-16-2006, 07:17 AM
Originally posted by apple3.14:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:
If you set water to 1 it is basically "excellent"

No, it's not.

I agree with the OP, I'd like the option to fly with perfect terrain but Excellent Water, the shaded water edges look awful, you also miss out on the shadowed river banks in perfect mode too. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Good Idea actually , as with Excellent water you still have trees reflected in the water and with perfect water 0 you have nothing and all coasts look like texture accidents , if not to complex kick out any water shaders (water=-1 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif)

II_JG1_Falke
03-16-2006, 08:07 AM
Sorry Capt.LoneRanger, you miss understood. I said the frame rates "Drop 10 points" not drop "to" ten points.

In perfect, (Black death track) and my 6800 Ultra set to High Quality and 2x Antialiasing, Vsync off, and the Video tab set to my card, I get an average 52 frames per second at the end of the track.

In "Excellent" it drops "10-points" to 42 frames per second. A result that quite frankly "baffels" me. I always thought (Pre-6800 Ultra) that I would get better performance in Excellent. Guess not!

Anyway, the point of the post is a request to have Excellent water added to the choices available while in "Perfect" mode, with the hope that I would still have the Perfect 'look', with water that doesn't look like ****ee/blocky along coasts, rivers and bays. I've tried multiple configurations (On the 6800 and my old 5900 Ultra) with no improvement to the waters edges, so I am left to conclude that it's the "Perfect" water.

Perfect
http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/911_1142522484_perfect.jpg

Excellent
http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/911_1142522066_excell.jpg

The pictures of the 'Perfect" don't show the blockiness and shimmering as well as what you'll see "in game" but I think you can get the idea. Also the waves in Excellent look a lot more realistic (IMHO) than the perfect water.

VMF-214_HaVoK
03-16-2006, 02:14 PM
Run some Anti-Aliasing and some Anisotropic Filtering. I cant fly this sim any other way http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

knightflyte
03-16-2006, 02:16 PM
What resolution do you fly at, II_JH1_Falke?

If it's a lower setting, then would higher AA help?

I'm not sure the blockiness would be an issue with me, but I can understand where it could be for some.


(Now you know I'll be looking for the blockiness now, and trying excellent settings.....thanks a bunch!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif)

Flakwalker
03-16-2006, 02:29 PM
I also agree, I want the perfect terrain but with excelent water.

II_JG1_Falke
03-16-2006, 03:02 PM
Knightflyte, 1152x864. Any lower and everything starts looking blocky, any higher and performance begins to suffer.
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knightflyte said "Now you know I'll be looking for the blockiness now, and trying excellent settings.....thanks a bunch!!!"
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Sorry about that!

As for more AA and Anisotropic Filtering. That's an option, but again, performance starts to suffer.

knightflyte
03-16-2006, 07:48 PM
I understand............. Sometimes having the best graphics and the best playability are balancing acts. Playability wins in the end every time.

II_JG1_Falke
03-18-2006, 08:12 AM
Bump

II_JG1_Falke
03-25-2006, 08:34 AM
bump

Capt.LoneRanger
03-25-2006, 09:56 AM
Oh, sorry missunderstood that FPS-thing and I just found out the water-settings changed at some point.

Sorry, for that, too.

The lat time I experimented with water-settings, a setting of 1 would produce the flat water we have now with excellent settings.

If nothing has changed, I'd also recommend trying the PerformanceSettings of your drivers. IL2 is the only game I know that really is affected by changing it from high quality to high performance. The water looks pretty messed up with the latter settings, especially with sun-reflections.

FA_Whisky
03-26-2006, 11:24 PM
Have you send this to Oleg?

I've got the same thing and since i use a 6800LE there is now why i can use higher AA or FA settings. I think it would be great to make a merged perfect/excellent setting.
Perfect water can be use, but not al 5km away. There is no point to have perfect landscape and water at great distance. I think that if everything gets a bit blurry in perfect settings like it does in excellent settings would be great and a real fps boost!!

CD_Turbo
03-27-2006, 02:13 AM
How will you know that the excellent water will remedy the square water?

It's a bad idea. It seems to be a setup problem.

what next , medium settings with perfect water.

If you cant you perfect simply use excellent settings with antialias and anistrophic settings set to medium.

Capt.LoneRanger
03-27-2006, 03:25 AM
I'd guess it's a driver issue. I realized the same problem with LoMAC. The edges of the water look ugly and artificial with my current drivers (84.xx detonators) - with earlier driver-versions, this problem doesn't occur. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

LT.INSTG8R
03-27-2006, 04:30 AM
I run at 1280x1024 with 4xAA and 8xAF and he is absolutely right about the sqaure edges on perfect water and it has nothing to do with setup. Im on an ATI X800XT which I run in High Quality with the AI on Advanced I have almost debated moving down to excellent to get those nice smooth edges back on water, I noticed this sometime last summer and thought it was something to do with ATI drivers changing.

Capt.LoneRanger
03-27-2006, 03:34 PM
Yep - I got something weird, too - didn't notice before, because I usually fly somewhere over Russia or Germany, but the beaches look squary and the grass even worse. Looks like square textures layed on a curved surface. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Was there something changed with the settings in a patch or is it really the driver - but for both ATI and nVidia???

Hawgdog
03-27-2006, 06:20 PM
Originally posted by LT.INSTG8R:
I run at 1280x1024 with 4xAA and 8xAF and he is absolutely right about the sqaure edges on perfect water and it has nothing to do with setup. Im on an ATI X800XT which I run in High Quality with the AI on Advanced I have almost debated moving down to excellent to get those nice smooth edges back on water, I noticed this sometime last summer and thought it was something to do with ATI drivers changing.


Youre not using 4:3 ratio with that resolution. IL2 optimized for 1024x768, 1280x960 etc.
I have same card, run perfect, 4xaa, 4xaf, some config tweaks and get 37 av in BD. I hops thru the roof when I lower the af, aa, but I enjoy the eyecandy
did you save any of the old .dll's they offered?

LT.INSTG8R
03-28-2006, 03:47 AM
Oddly enough Hawgdog I just deleted all the older .dlls I had when I was cleaning out my HDD yesterday, as for Black Death I also get 37 FPS with those setting http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gifI have attempted running at lower resolutions and unfortunately they look terrible on my monitor, also tho my monitors Native Resolution is 1280x1024 Everest reports my monitors Picture Aspect is 4:3...

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