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99th Obsidian
11-17-2007, 12:49 PM
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools /item-details. asp?EdpNo= 3163514&sku=MCM-M2NE- 5400A (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools)

Asus M2N-E SLI Motherboard CPU Bundle - AMD Athlon 64 X2 5400+ Processor 2.80GHz OEM and 1GB DDR2 PC4200 Memory

I got a BFG 8500GT DX10 vid card a few weeks ago for $55 after rebate. I want to get a good midrange CPU without breaking bank . I figure when/if BOB comes out I can add more RAM and/or another 8500GT and SLI.

With another stick of RAM (2GB in all) total order would be about $300.

I'd prefer to stick with AMD for their low energy useage and I've had good results. My current mobo is ASUS and its been good to me.

Whattaya think, I'm ready to push the button. Send links to Mobo/CPU combos u recommend.

ytareh
11-17-2007, 01:26 PM
Sorry to have to break it to you and not meaning to be smart but the 8500 wasnt a great buy and any AMD cpu would be a really bad buy right now for gaming .....Just go for a bottom of the range Intel -never mind the humble 6300s even the 4400/2140/2160 etc (not 100% sure of these model numbers)can be overclocked in minutes to beyond the performance levels of any AMD processor currently available.
Overclocking is not difficult or risky unless you are really going mad with massive jumps /steps!(in fact even then most times you just have to reset the BIOS/Clear CMOS in a simple operation)
The best advice I can give is to really research everything on the net and then shop around considering Ebay , small community website For Sale sections etc etc .Certain products just get a well deserved reputation amongst enthusiasts while others never really take off....The current Intel processors are the best products I can remember in about 6 or 7 years or more following the PC tech scene.The AMD cpus WERE great but they are history now.I bet if you could get a good price for your nearly new 8500 you would pick up an 8800GTS (now that the GT is out and BETTER-strange that !)used/second hand cheap.Now that would be a step up for you .'Even ' an X1950 would blow you away ...
If you are like 80-90% of people here you have entered an addictive and expensive (but a LOT less so if you are clued in about what and where to buy and when to sell your old stuff) pastime.Welcome!

99th Obsidian
11-17-2007, 01:50 PM
You are not the first person to tell me that Intel is the way to go for gaming. I think I will heed the advice I've received and start shoping Intel/Asus CPU/Mobo combos that are in my upgrade budget ($300). Though I'm happy with the 8500GT (it was only $55) I may look for a better card once after I see the results of my upgrade on 1946/LOMAC/FSX.

Thanks for the prompt reply. I really want to buy something today so I can build during Thanksgiving holiday.

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JG6_Oddball
11-17-2007, 03:20 PM
power supply, 88% aproval rating
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182017&Tpk=17-182-017
$51.99

motherboard , %88 aproval rating
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128034&Tpk=13-128-034
$75
MEMORY (2X1GB) 2 GB, %91 APROVAL rating
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231098&Tpk=20-231-098
$54
CPU %96 aproval rating
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103029&Tpk=19-103-029
$54
VIDEO CARD %90 aproval rating
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161037&Tpk=14-161-037
$54 (after $15 mail in rebate)

remember this IS a budget upgrade, the motherboard has plenty of room to
grow http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

$290 and u use your current case,HD,and CD-ROM and your flying in excellent
setting's

p.s "aproval rating "= adding rating 4-5 (good and excellent) together

S!

Tailbutcher
11-17-2007, 04:18 PM
AMD X2 6400, 2 GB Ram and a 8800GTS would work just fine. It will play any game smooth as silk.

roybaty
11-17-2007, 04:23 PM
I too would recommend Intel, not that AMD is bad, but they've been a bit behind of late; Up until 2 1/2 years ago all my systems were AMD though.

If you go with an Intel board get a socket LGA775 as it seems Intel will continue supporting this socket for some time (see link below).

FYI:
http://hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTQxMSwsLGhlbnRodXNpYXN0

Harti_5thW
11-17-2007, 05:29 PM
I guess it's ok for LOMAC and IL2. But you're not gonna be able to play any newer games decently.

Chivas
11-17-2007, 05:42 PM
I was an AMD fan when they were the best performer even at far less Hz, and now I'm an Intel fan because they have the best performing chips and highly overclockable. I will become an AMD fan again when they take the performance lead. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

stansdds
11-18-2007, 08:06 AM
I currently have an AMD rig and my next one will have an Intel Core2Duo CPU. The NV 8500 is purely a budget card, not really intended for anything beyond web surfing and basic computing, definitely not a gaming card. The 8800GT is a great gaming card. Tiger Direct is a nice company, but Newegg is just as nice and often a lot less expensive.

Xiolablu3
11-18-2007, 09:22 AM
Normal AMD chips (not the FX series) are still better bang for buck than Intel Core2Duos :-

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2795&p=14

The 5000+ (which generally beats the E6300) is going for about 60 on ebay now, and the 6000+ (not on that test) is going for under 100.

People are a little too hyped up about the Intel chips IMO, they dont beat the AMD chips by that much, and the AMD chips are cheaper for the same performance.

Xiolablu3
11-18-2007, 09:39 AM
Hmmm even the E6300 on that site is $175 whereas the AMD 5400+ that Obsidon was thinking of getting is only $125 and faster than the E6300.


Why would he get the E6300 for 50 bucks more when even the 5000+ beats the E6300, never mind the 5400+?

Until someone shows me a E6300 which is cheaper than the 5000+, then I wont believe the hype about intel CPU's for 'bang for buck'.

Chivas
11-18-2007, 01:57 PM
AMD's latest chips have definitely closed some of the gap, BUT there is still a huge difference in overclocking ability. I have a 6400 @ 2.13 overclocked to over 3.00gigs with a couple of clicks in the BIOs with air cooling.

The 5000+ @2.6 gigs barely beats the 6300 @ 1.8 gigs. It would have no chance against an overclocked 6300 which can be overclocked over 3 gigs.

If I was buying an AMD cpu, I would get atleast the 6400+ @3.2 gigs to be competitive.

99th Obsidian
11-18-2007, 02:08 PM
Thanks to everyone who put in their 2cents. I going to go with this deal on TigerDirect: XFX nForce 680i LT SLI Motherboard CPU Bundle - PNY 4GB (4 x 1024MB) PC5400 DDR2 667MHz Memory for $209. I add a Intel Core2 Duo E4500 Processor HH80557PG0492M - 2.20GHz, 2MB Cache, 800MHz FSB, Allendale, OEM, Socket 775, Processor for $119

Xiolablu3
11-18-2007, 02:25 PM
Originally posted by Chivas:
AMD's latest chips have definitely closed some of the gap, BUT there is still a huge difference in overclocking ability. I have a 6400 @ 2.13 overclocked to over 3.00gigs with a couple of clicks in the BIOs with air cooling.

The 5000+ @2.6 gigs barely beats the 6300 @ 1.8 gigs. It would have no chance against an overclocked 6300 which can be overclocked over 3 gigs.

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But the 5000+ is about half the price of a E6300.

The 6000+ is around the same price as a E6300 at just under 100, and much faster at stock. Even the 5000+ is faster at stock than the E6300.

Unless you are willing to overclock the 6300/6400 and take the risk that you get a good overclockable chip, then the 6000+ is the better buy.

If you look at that ANadtech test, You may as well get a 5000+ for 60 or a 6000+ for 100. They are muc faster than the E4*** sries of intel chips.

slipBall
11-18-2007, 03:10 PM
I'm still very happy with my 939, I bought a new AMD 4000+ X1 San Diego.....my machine rocks with a $59.00 cpu http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif

grndragon57
11-18-2007, 03:24 PM
AMD does gaming fine. As for AMD not being overclockable that bull my $99 X2 4800 does 3.0ghz on stock cooling 24/7 with 100% load temps of 50C-55C.

Chivas
11-18-2007, 04:09 PM
AMD is a fine processor, but clock for clock Intel is faster. I can get a cheap Intel and easily surpass the performance of any AMD cpu. I'd rather spend the extra 50 dollars for the better performance. Its almost impossible to find a Conroe cpu that isn't hightly overclockable.

Zoom2136
11-19-2007, 07:51 AM
Just take a look at the new Phenom line of CPU from AMD.

I'm an Intel guy myself but this new line looks good. AND when you upgrade you won't have any comptability issues as AMD as mad it backward (and plans on making it) forward compatible... This is a pain with Intel as the new stepping planned for the X-38 chipset WILL NOT be compatible with older 775 CPUs... So to make it short Intel are faster but you pay (and will keep paying) through the nose for the performance... I know I had to scrap all my component when I whent from my P4 (775) to my new Core Duo (775). If I was upgrading know, I would seriously consider AMD as specially if you are looking at a mid-range PC.

So when you buy an AM2 or AM2+ moderboard you are set for a few years...

Also AMD'S new 790x chipset is Crossfire-X compatible meaning 4x video cards... which a the moment is said will scale to 3.3 time 1 card prformance....

READ THIS:

http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/11/19/the_spider_weaves_its_web/

According to Tom's article they overclock the Phenom to 3.0 on air with no stability issues and at a price of less then $300 for a quad core... well it looks good as SOW will be tweaked for multicore CPUs...

Monterey13
11-19-2007, 08:04 AM
I think too much chest-beating goes on when people are suggesting hardware. Always arguing about AMD vs Intel and such. " your machine is fine for surfing and such, but not for gaming". or "your machine won't play this or that".

Guys, I've said it many times...sure it's good to have the latest and greatest, but in most cases...it's not needed.

My specs..
Biostar M7VIZ Motherboard
AMD XP2200 CPU
1gb pc3200 ram at 333mhz
BFG 7800GS 256mb vid card

I play IL-2 just fine at excellent settings
I can play GRAW just fine and it looks great
I can play Crysis at medium settings, and it looks awesome too.

I will be upgradfing this winter, as this system is about 4 years old now, but it works just fine.

The key is to keep your system tweaked and CLEAN. I'll bet, with a decent motherboard, a decent dual-core CPU, and another gig of ram, I'll be able to play BoB SoW just fine...even with my 7800GS.

There is a lot of hype out there, just to sell new parts...don't believe it all.

SeaFireLIV
11-19-2007, 08:05 AM
I was a lover of AMD and nearly upgraded AMD, but went for an Intel E6320... Sometimes it`s hard to give up a trusty CPU ( a bit like giving up my amiga).

Anyway, i`ve heard the E6320 is quite overclockable. How much can I squeeze out of this? er... and how?

grndragon57
11-19-2007, 08:23 AM
The way to choose between AMD and Intel is to set your budget and see which has the best performance at that price.

TgD Thunderbolt56
11-19-2007, 08:41 AM
You should get close to 3ghz and you should be able to do it by adjusting your CPU voltage and FSB clock in the BIOS.

I usually do my research at trusted overclocker's sites and get a stepped starting point. Then I bump my FSB until my machine won't POST and back off a step and give it a bit more juice.

Just make sure you go slow, methodical and have some printed documentation to use as a guide to start with.


TB

SeaFireLIV
11-19-2007, 10:04 AM
Originally posted by TgD Thunderbolt56:
You should get close to 3ghz and you should be able to do it by adjusting your CPU voltage and FSB clock in the BIOS.

I usually do my research at trusted overclocker's sites and get a stepped starting point. Then I bump my FSB until my machine won't POST and back off a step and give it a bit more juice.

Just make sure you go slow, methodical and have some printed documentation to use as a guide to start with.


TB

I just checked some online sites and after a quick bit of reading I managed to bump up to 2.32 Ghz stable already! i`m impressed. cheers!