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rockgardenlove
08-21-2005, 06:47 AM
I'm on vacation in Switzerland, and my dad and I went to an airshow. It was pretty cool, they had a b-17 and a corsair fly. Then a spitfire took off circled once, and pulled a halfway loop, it swung back rightside up and flew to the other end of the runway. It started to turn to its left, when suddenly the left side of the plane jerked downward. It rolled maybe two times, while heading straight down into the ground. It dissapeared into a heavily wooded valley. A few seconds later we heard a sort of crack sound. There was no smoke or anything. Just a loud crack noise. We waited for the spit to climb back out of the valley, but it never came. It had been completedly shattered by the impact, along with the pilot. Im guessing the speed was around 325-350 mph when it hit. It was pretty creepy to think that just before the plane had taken off and now it was laying crumpled in the bottom of a valley. Quite a harsh reminder to the fragility of human life. Anyways, just thought it was an interesting tidbit. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v503/crg23/Spit.jpg
Thats it right before it crashed.

Btw, in Il2, the planes always belch thick black smoke collumns when they hit hard. Its not always the case at all.

Pirschjaeger
08-21-2005, 06:56 AM
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Speechless

Fritz

Moustacheo
08-21-2005, 07:00 AM
It just goes to show how dangerous flying is, and that's even without another plane hurling pieces of lead at you aswell.

rockgardenlove
08-21-2005, 07:04 AM
I know. Same thought struck me. What must it have been like with the lead?

I think he must have snapped his left aileron control cable. If that is what such an simple problem can bring, what could a 20 mm cannon round do?

Bremspropeller
08-21-2005, 07:49 AM
It was a three-quart replica of a Spitfire.

In an attempt no to overshoot the runway-axis the pilot turned too sharply and stalled the plane.
During the recovery it struck some trees and crashed into a forest - no chance to survive.

Watch the video:

http://real.xobix.ch/ramgen/sfdrs/ts/2005/TS_20082005-4....600&end=0:10:31.811 (http://real.xobix.ch/ramgen/sfdrs/ts/2005/TS_20082005-450k.rm?start=0:09:58.600&end=0:10:31.811)


May the pilot rest in peace.

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
08-21-2005, 08:04 AM
R.I.P http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

hotspace
08-21-2005, 08:27 AM
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Hot Space

VFS-214_Hawk
08-21-2005, 08:27 AM
May the pilot rest in piece...

may future pilots not be so stupid!

SeaNorris
08-21-2005, 08:45 AM
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F0_Dark_P
08-21-2005, 08:46 AM
man it could not be fun being there and watch all that, good that no bystanders where hurt or killed

Taylortony
08-21-2005, 08:55 AM
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At least he died doing something he enjoyed http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gifhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Sooooooo sad http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

p1ngu666
08-21-2005, 08:59 AM
simple mistake http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif, we have all done it ingame.

RIP http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Owlsphone
08-21-2005, 09:03 AM
The real loss was the pilot, not the plane. May he rest in peace.

Anyone else find it weird watching videos like this...I mean, you're witnessing the last 15 seconds of a man's life.

ploughman
08-21-2005, 09:05 AM
Poor bloke. It's a dangerous trade.

rockgardenlove
08-21-2005, 10:38 AM
Originally posted by p1ngu666:
simple mistake http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif, we have all done it ingame.

RIP http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

I know, I have done it millions of times. It really makes me respect real pilots much much more.

Lucius_Esox
08-21-2005, 11:35 AM
I saw a P63 go in at Biggin Hill airshow a couple of years back, horrible!! I do not know how big the crowd was 10000-30000, I dont know, I do know that after the bang and the pall of smoke went up you could hear a pin drop!!! Very wierd feelings,, dread I suppose.

Yes RIP to the poor fella, I feel for the one's he left behind http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Waldo.Pepper
08-21-2005, 01:01 PM
A replica?

Whew.

That was close then.

RIP - died what he loved doing at least.

CzechTexan
08-21-2005, 02:15 PM
This is why I don't believe in flying these old airplanes. There's always something that can go wrong and it's a disaster for everyone. Future generations will be worst off because they won't even have the plane to look at. It will be in tiny pieces.

I hear about crashes of precious planes often and it tears my heart. It's a shame that the love of flying them seems to be greater than keeping them on the ground and preserving them in a museum.

Of course, it's great to see them flying and hearing the roar of the engines...but at what cost? Don't destroy what little we have left please.

danjama
08-21-2005, 02:39 PM
R.I.P pilot. You died doin what many of us wish and dream of. Salute!

GBrutus
08-21-2005, 03:35 PM
God bless him. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Dtools4fools
08-21-2005, 03:41 PM
Friend of mine was there and saw it too. I decided not to go as the weatehr wasn't so great that day and lots of planes flew right over our house on the way going there. Including the B-17.

The fellow that was there said that it was replica builld of wood and fabric with a some kind of Chevrolet engine. The guys that had put it together had received the operating permit (or however you call that in air-grog-talk) not long ago.

****

Arm_slinger
08-21-2005, 04:35 PM
Poor guy http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif, and poor family http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

An aircrash isn't something you easily forget, I can still remember and see clearly as if it were yesterday, the loss of the firefly and its crew at Duxford in 2003 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Airmail109
08-21-2005, 04:54 PM
Most of the areoplanes flown at the airshows are privately owned. The owners have every right to fly them. There are plently of static warbirds. These warbirds belong in the sky, the pilots know the risks. There are something like 70+ Spitfires in flying condition throughout the world, It would be a crime not to fly them while OIL lasts.

May that poor pilot Rest in Peace. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

rockgardenlove
08-21-2005, 05:16 PM
At least it was just a spitfire model. The pilot is the biggest loss thought. By far. I personally find it amazing that so many accidents happen at airshows though. It is sort of odd in my opinion.

Fliegeroffizier
08-21-2005, 05:57 PM
Originally posted by rockgardenlove:
...a spitfire took off...and pulled a halfway loop, it swung back rightside up....<span class="ev_code_RED">That sounds like an Immelmann to me...at low speed and right after take off? That might have been risky in and of itself...</span>....and flew to the other end of the runway. It started to turn to its left, when suddenly the left side of the plane jerked downward...<span class="ev_code_RED">and That sounds like he stalled; pilot error. Somehow I suspect this might have been a new pilot, unfamiliar with the aircraft perhaps?</span>

<span class="ev_code_RED">Do these scaled down models have the power to do fairly demanding combat-like maneuvers?</span>

JG7_Rall
08-21-2005, 06:01 PM
Originally posted by Aimail101:
Most of the areoplanes flown at the airshows are privately owned. The owners have every right to fly them. There are plently of static warbirds. These warbirds belong in the sky, the pilots know the risks. There are something like 70+ Spitfires in flying condition throughout the world, It would be a crime not to fly them while OIL lasts.

May that poor pilot Rest in Peace. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif


Agreed.


And I also agree with what the others have said -- many people die too young on this earth...at least he died doing what he loved.

PBNA-Boosher
08-21-2005, 06:13 PM
So long, brave re-enactors. So long, and in peace may ye rest.

rickster3459
08-21-2005, 07:44 PM
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Majormajor-01
08-21-2005, 08:33 PM
Originally posted by rockgardenlove:
I'm on vacation in Switzerland, and my dad and I went to an airshow. It was pretty cool, they had a b-17 and a corsair fly. Then a spitfire took off circled once, and pulled a halfway loop, it swung back rightside up and flew to the other end of the runway. It started to turn to its left, when suddenly the left side of the plane jerked downward. It rolled maybe two times, while heading straight down into the ground. It dissapeared into a heavily wooded valley. A few seconds later we heard a sort of crack sound. There was no smoke or anything. Just a loud crack noise. We waited for the spit to climb back out of the valley, but it never came. It had been completedly shattered by the impact, along with the pilot. Im guessing the speed was around 325-350 mph when it hit. It was pretty creepy to think that just before the plane had taken off and now it was laying crumpled in the bottom of a valley. Quite a harsh reminder to the fragility of human life. Anyways, just thought it was an interesting tidbit. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v503/crg23/Spit.jpg
Thats it right before it crashed.

Btw, in Il2, the planes always belch thick black smoke collumns when they hit hard. Its not always the case at all.

.........dammit......... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Majormajor-01
Jamming Pentagon computers for over 60 years

Bearcat99
08-21-2005, 10:13 PM
Thats always a drag to hear..

Xiolablu3
08-21-2005, 10:16 PM
I am right in thinking that this was a full replica? Not one of the 70+ spitfires flying in the world 2day??

RIP pilot http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Wow 70+ Spitfires thats a lot, why only 1 or 2 109's, no FW190's, thats really sad too. I guess when germany was defeated all the planes got smashed up for scrap.

Like if China invaded us 2day and we shot some of their planes down, I dont think we would be thinking about saving their Mig 29's for 60 years in the future air fanatics...

HotelBushranger
08-22-2005, 04:21 AM
Anyone else find it weird watching videos like this...I mean, you're witnessing the last 15 seconds of a man's life.

I agree. Same goes for wartime footage of bombers being destroyed and photos. For example the Lancaster getting blown up completely, its strange to think that here is a photo of a group of mens deaths. I have a video of 2 Beauforts doing torpedo training, but the second in line climbs too quickly and saws the first in half, and both planes, and their men, plunge to their deaths.

I suppose the only consoling fact is that they died doing what they love. I know that's how I wanna go.

KIMURA
08-22-2005, 06:07 AM
I also was there with my familiy while that replica crashed. My wife and me were shocked as we learned the pilot hadn't a chance to get out. Most of the poeple were depressed, many left the show.
Today there was a pic in the newspaper showing the ambulance within the woods trying to reanimate the pilot. What a sad end.

Our deep sympathie goes to the pilot's family.

The pilot in his Spit @ an Airshow in July that year.
http://mypage.bluewin.ch/a-z/kimura-hei/IMG_3499.JPG

womenfly
08-22-2005, 06:36 AM
Very sad indeed. I am a pilot and when a fellow pilot goes down, we all feel the loss. No one that flies, at sometime in doing so, will think what it maybe like in thoughts final moments of plummeting to earth.

Back in the 70€s at Cape May New Jersey I witnessed four (4) AT-6€s go down from an altitude of 300 feet in a pylon race, no one came back. What really was heart braking was the wife and daughter of one of the pilots was sitting behind us, just as the plane hit the ground, I heard her say, with a hollow voice, €œ he€s gone€€¦€¦. I can still hear her words today.

One more thing, none of us pilots like to die doing what we love, flying.

My deepest condolences to all.

A side note: When the first aircraft hit the ground inverted, there was no fire or explosion, just a cloud of dust and an eerie silence. The other three went down into a thicket of tall pine trees again no sound, no smoke, and no explosions.

It all was so surreal.

achtung2004
08-22-2005, 07:58 AM
My two cents:

I won't forget as a child watching an aerobatic plane crash about 200 yards from me. There was no spectacular explosion just a loud thud and a crumpling of the plane. The most bizarre thing was that the airshow continued. Who makes that decision.....

Second, I work in operating rooms which receive a lot of trauma and am continually reminded how fragile the human is. It takes only a split second of attention lapse while driving a car. So buckle up and drive safely.

rockgardenlove
08-22-2005, 08:18 AM
Yeah, it was weird. The plane crashed then they paused the airshow due to "bad weather" Waited like 20 mins im guessing, then started it right back up. Strange.

womenfly
08-22-2005, 08:36 AM
Yea .... they did the same about 20 minutes later after the fatalities. Bob Hoover went up in his Aero Commander-100 and did his very impressive routine dedicating it to the fallen pilots. The show went on.

Maybe, to psychologically redirect and settle the minds of the crowd.

Go figure .... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

mean_mango
08-22-2005, 08:40 AM
achtung2004, thanks for the reminder. We especially focus on these things when they happen in the air, but there are so many needless tragedies on the road. Letting your attention wander more than two seconds or losing your "situational awareness" behind the wheel can have the same consequences as stalling at low altitude. Stay focused, all you drivers and pilots!

Also I respect that you have the heart and will to work in such an environment. It's difficult enough hearing about trauma in the news without witnessing the effects.

T_O_A_D
08-22-2005, 10:27 AM
Sad Indeed! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

TheGozr
08-22-2005, 11:48 AM
It's horrible. All my respects and condoleances to the familly.

What i found by knowing many pilots of many ww2 fighters is that it's becoming harder and harder to fly those birds. The cost of gas is very high and also many pilots do not enjoy to fly them anymore. To many risks.
After many hours of flying those birds the pilots think about watching the plane and what will break next and loose the joy to simply fly them. The WW2 fighters are in dangerous moment now.

We are now waiting for the diesel engines, We will see what bring the next generation .

StellarRat
08-22-2005, 01:12 PM
Originally posted by CzechTexan:
This is why I don't believe in flying these old airplanes. There's always something that can go wrong and it's a disaster for everyone. Future generations will be worst off because they won't even have the plane to look at. It will be in tiny pieces.

I hear about crashes of precious planes often and it tears my heart. It's a shame that the love of flying them seems to be greater than keeping them on the ground and preserving them in a museum.

Of course, it's great to see them flying and hearing the roar of the engines...but at what cost? Don't destroy what little we have left please.

If you're trying to say that they shouldn't be flown because they're not safe I don't believe that. I think a well maintained airplane should be safe no matter how old it is (unless it's one of those really underpowered WW I planes.) On the other had there is always risk in flying any aircraft, so if you think they shouldn't be flown because they're are so few left I might agree a little more, but we have plenty of static AC on display around the world. I think it's better see them doing what they were made to do. Fly.

KRISTORF
08-22-2005, 02:14 PM
Regardless of pros and cons of warbirds, thoughts to the pilots family.

RIP

Christos_swc
08-22-2005, 03:37 PM
I've read so many pilot stories about chasing an enemy plane to the deck and him trying to do some evading manouvres at tree top and crashing to the ground.
I can't imagine what it feels like to be in that situation.
Always felt uneasy reading such stuff as if it were all normal because it was a war.
But then again when you die a violent death wether in war or in peace it's always a tragedy wether you're flying a plane or whatever.
It's just we can't get used to it happening.
Just a good reminder of what we really are on this planet.

Taylortony
08-22-2005, 03:44 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by achtung2004:
My two cents:

I won't forget as a child watching an aerobatic plane crash about 200 yards from me. There was no spectacular explosion just a loud thud and a crumpling of the plane. The most bizarre thing was that the airshow continued. Who makes that decision.....
QUOTE]

This is a neccessary thing to do, If the crash is a particularly bad one, then the last thing you need is for everyone attempting to leave clogging up all the access roads for the emergency services, therefore the gates are locked and the show goes on, that prevents the gridlock and allows the emergency services to get to where they need to be. it also takes the mind of the crowd off the crash, distracting them from what they have seen and lessening the impact and distress..... Its a very slick and well thought out plan... I do see this thread seems to be getting taken over by the against flying irreplacable warbirds brigade... please gents take time out and lets not degrade this thread into a "we shouldn't do this" one.

Remember that film is the last minutes of someones life, a Man dedicated to his flying and the pleasure he gave to others in his Aircraft, think before you post.

Please think of him as a man that brought pleasure to people that would not get the chance to see a real warbird in flight and as many before him, paid the ultimate sacrifice in the pursuit of that pleasure. My heart goes out to those greiving his loss, both family and friends.........

Christos_swc
08-22-2005, 03:59 PM
Nobody gets to decide wether classic a/c should fly or not in the interests of preserving their historical presence but the men who own them.
It's a non issue.

TheGozr
08-22-2005, 06:02 PM
Just be aware of metal fatigue, corrosion etc...

Scen
08-22-2005, 06:09 PM
Yeah I've witnessed a few crashes at airshows and it's really hearbreaking. My heart goes out to his friends and family.

I watched an AT-6 go down into an empty base church.

I saw an F/A-18 barely pull out of a AB dive he impacted and survived and Bob Hoover went up just minutes afterwards to distract the crowd. The Angels went on as usual.

Then an F-86 and a Mig 15 chase demo and the F-86 fireballed alone the runway centerline...
Very sad day indeed. He just misjudged it.

All of these took place at the now closed El Toro Marine Base here in Southern California.

Scendore

DadeBoy
08-23-2005, 06:49 AM
May he R.I.P

TROOPER117
08-23-2005, 01:00 PM
Should these old warbirds continue to fly?...Of course they should.
How many times have we read that alot of these aircraft are more lovingly maintained and have more stringent safety checks than when they were serving operationaly during the war...and those remarks are made by people like ex P-51 ace Bud Anderson.
Flying is a risky business, no matter what type you fly in, and by keeping our historical aircraft in flying condition and displaying them, is the best way we can pay homage to all the brave pilots who lost their lives during the Second World War

God rest em all...

Hiriyu
08-23-2005, 08:31 PM
Originally posted by HotelBushranger:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Anyone else find it weird watching videos like this...I mean, you're witnessing the last 15 seconds of a man's life.

I agree. Same goes for wartime footage of bombers being destroyed and photos. For example the Lancaster getting blown up completely, its strange to think that here is a photo of a group of mens deaths. I have a video of 2 Beauforts doing torpedo training, but the second in line climbs too quickly and saws the first in half, and both planes, and their men, plunge to their deaths.

I suppose the only consoling fact is that they died doing what they love. I know that's how I wanna go. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I know exactly what you gents mean. As a general rule, I don't click those links. It just feels wrong to me somehow. Not an indictment of anyone else's actions, of course.

I've been fortunate enough not to ever witness any sort of aircraft related mishap firsthand, but I have been present for several fatal road course incidents. Truly terrible stuff to witness.

R.I.P. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

ZK-DABLIN
08-24-2005, 02:09 AM
I did click on the link to try and view this recording. But before downloading I realised I didn't have the software to play it.

After reading what people have already written regarding this accident and others related I am glad I didn't see it. When I first clicked on it I didn't think of it as the last 15 seconds of some poor souls life.

I've never seen any type of major accident including automobile and aircraft related. I will declare myself fortunate.

I feel for those who are grieving the loss of this pilot and hope nothing like this happens to me or anyone I know or care about.

---

Keep those old war-birds flying. Keeping them grounded is like not driving your car because of the risk of an accident. Some things no matter how well prepared for can not be avoided.

RIP

Pirschjaeger
08-24-2005, 06:06 AM
Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
I am right in thinking that this was a full replica? Not one of the 70+ spitfires flying in the world 2day??

RIP pilot http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Wow 70+ Spitfires thats a lot, why only 1 or 2 109's, no FW190's, thats really sad too. I guess when germany was defeated all the planes got smashed up for scrap.

Like if China invaded us 2day and we shot some of their planes down, I dont think we would be thinking about saving their Mig 29's for 60 years in the future air fanatics...

No, but we could confinscate their 91 P-51's and the Black widow. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Fritz