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VFS-214_Hawk
04-08-2007, 05:50 PM
http://www.tuckersvirtualairmuseum.com/seaplanes/images/116a.jpg

Spit on floats?
http://www.tuckersvirtualairmuseum.com/seaplanes/images/121a.jpg

VW-IceFire
04-08-2007, 07:15 PM
Spitfire on floats definitely happened...but a 109 on floats? Quoi?

WarWolfe_1
04-08-2007, 07:23 PM
Floats were tested on the F4F Wildcat too.
http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/NARG/images/wildcat8.jpg

The Spit evolved from a floatplane racer so it would only be natural to place the Spit on floats (although like the Wildcat) it didn't get very far, hindered handleing to much. All one has to do is look at the A6M2-N.

Brain32
04-08-2007, 07:55 PM
Originally posted by VFS-214_Hawk:
http://www.tuckersvirtualairmuseum.com/seaplanes/images/116a.jpg
Ahhh now I know what Oleg based 109FM on http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

LStarosta
04-08-2007, 08:08 PM
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Yeah, those booster rockets should probably be taken off...

djetz
04-08-2007, 08:58 PM
http://www.xs4all.nl/~tozu/l46/L46-me109w.htm (http://www.xs4all.nl/%7Etozu/l46/L46-me109w.htm)

As you can see, it got a lot closer to reality than some of the other things in this game:

"They were tested operationally in Norway however to see whether they could be used in the planned invasion of the British isles."

Jaws2002
04-08-2007, 10:19 PM
I still like the FW-190 on ski better. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/<FA>Jaws/1064199489gn13_727.jpg

berg417448
04-08-2007, 10:34 PM
Another "what if" float plane:

http://www.reitter.de/x-plane/pictures/pic_P-38_side_FLOAT.jpg

major_setback
04-09-2007, 04:50 AM
Spit on floats:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/alemarinel/Spitfire/FloatplaneMkIX.jpg

http://www.jaapteeuwen.com/ww2aircraft/pictures/jpg/supermarine%20spitfire%20floatplane.jpg

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/alemarinel/Spitfire/Spitfloat1.jpg

Dakota?

http://www.flyingboats.ca/_common%5CDouglas-DC3-FloatPlane-N130Q.jpg

Monty_Thrud
04-09-2007, 04:59 AM
I love this Blenheim.

http://premium1.uploadit.org/bsamania//blenbolfloat.jpg

Zonama
04-09-2007, 06:03 AM
Spit on floats I've read accounts of, doesn't surprise me seeing as it was partly based on a floatplane to begin with.

Skis, though, just look like clown shoes to me http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

major_setback
04-09-2007, 06:17 AM
Originally posted by Zonama:


Skis, though, just look like clown shoes to me http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

What's wrong with skis on a plane? They look very sensible to me http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif:

http://www.alpa.org/alpa/DesktopModules/imageview.aspx?id=252

WarWolfe_1
04-09-2007, 06:46 AM
somewhere I have photos of a Ford Trimotor on skis, lovely looking http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

VFS-214_Hawk
04-09-2007, 03:16 PM
From my personal collection

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f36/CurtissHawk/columbianhawk.jpg

Scharnhorst1943
04-09-2007, 03:31 PM
The Japanese "George" fighter was originally based off of a seaplane, the one that replaced the A6M2N. They were so impressed with the seaplane's performance, that they made some modifacations and produced the N1K1.

Stackhouse25th
04-09-2007, 04:41 PM
109 with floats? are you kidding, could never get airborne, let alone have more than 2 hours in the air due to fuel burn and fuel limitations

major_setback
04-10-2007, 06:29 AM
I found more of the Wildcat/Wildcatfish.

http://www.vectorsite.net/avwcat.html

http://www.samoloty.ow.pl/str160.htm


"A number of special Wildcat variants were built. In the fall of 1942,
one F4F-3 was converted to a floatplane configuration,
using twin Edo floats. The landing gear sockets were faired over, the tailwheel was deleted,
and small vertical finlets were added to improve yaw stability;
a ventral fin was added after early trials.
The conversion was at least informally known as the "F4F-3S Wildcatfish"
and performed its first flight on 28 February 1943, with Grumman test pilot F. Hank Kurt at the controls."

http://www.vectorsite.net/avwcat_8.png

http://www.samoloty.ow.pl/fot/fot048.jpg

http://www.samoloty.ow.pl/fot/fot051.jpg

http://www.airfields-freeman.com/VA/NorfolkSeaplane_VA_Wilcdcatfish.jpg

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And what about this - the Curtiss Seahawk:

http://www.daveswarbirds.com/usplanes/aircraft/seahawk.htm


http://www.skylighters.org/potw/pow06162003.html

"Seahawks were issued as standard equipment from late 1944 onwards,
but saw only limited combat in the final weeks of the war.
A total of 576 were built before construction was halted in 1945"

http://www.historycentral.com/aviation/photos/SCSeahawk.gif

http://www.daveswarbirds.com/usplanes/photos/seahawk.jpg

http://www.uss-la-ca135.org/CurtissSC-1Seahawk-2.jpg

http://www.usswisconsin.org/Pictures/1940%20Pic/181%20J.%20Blake%20%20%20%20Seahawk.jpg

http://www.skylighters.org/potw/seahawk.jpg


http://www.freexinwen.com/VJ-Day/images/ww2_gallery/USSMissouri/Seahawk.jpg

http://www.hracky-tis.cz/shop/obrazky/010866.jpg

domenlovrec
04-10-2007, 06:47 AM
I realy don't know the point of puting this things on fighters. I'm sure there are good reasons but i don't know any so if someone could post something new to me i would be very happy! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Yes, it could land on the water and that's 2/3 of earth's surface but still imo floats had great impact on plane's behaviour. So were these planes used as recon or something like that?

TgD Thunderbolt56
04-10-2007, 06:49 AM
Float planes are so sexy.

JG53Frankyboy
04-10-2007, 06:58 AM
Originally posted by Stackhouse25th:
109 with floats? are you kidding, could never get airborne, let alone have more than 2 hours in the air due to fuel burn and fuel limitations

can you imagine having fuel tanks in the floats - as the A6M2-N had http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

anyway, with a flyable Wildcatfish the "Coral Sea Online 2" map would make actually sense http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
and IIRC it was planed in the past to be made..................................

Matz0r
04-10-2007, 10:13 AM
Brief history of the Messerschmitt Me-109W

Late in 1939 it became clear to the German general staff that the invasion of the Nordic countries would be inevitable in the spring of 1940. Plans were made for the invasion of Denmark and Norway.

The Luftwaffe was worried that the invasion of Norway would involve large numbers of Ju-52 transports which would be vulnerable to British fighters stationed in Norway and off the Norwegian coast on carriers of the Royal Navy. There were fears that in the early stages of the invasions not enough airfields would be available to station fighter aircraft to protect the transports. A problem here was the short range of the Me-109.

It was clear that the first German aircraft carrier would not be ready in time to play a role in this operation so another solution had to be found.

To enable the fighters to operate from Norway, plans were made to develop a floatplane version of the Me-109 fighter. The design work for this was delegated to the Fieseler company and in late 1939 a Me-109 E-1 fighter, serial 3365 was diverted from the production line to Fieseler for conversion. The converted aircraft, now known as Me-109W-0 flew for the first time on 23 December 1939. The results of the tests were not encouraging. Maximum speed was degraded by about 50mph and range was significantly reduced because of the fact that the engine used a lot more power in cruise flight to overcome drag from the floats. Also the manoeuvrability was seriously affected by the extra weight and longetudal stability was insufficient.

Despite the disappointing results from the test flights the decision was made to convert a further 6 aircraft to a slightly modified Me-109W-1 version. This version was derived from the Me-109 E-4 which had just entered production and differed from the W-0 model in a slightly more powerful DB601N engine, increased fuel tankage by using parts of the floats and an extra tail fin to increase stability. The aircraft were finished in the standard RLM 70/71/65 paint scheme and not in the seaplane scheme of RLM 72/73/65.

These 6 aircraft were delivered to the Luftwaffe in June 1940 by which time the need for them had passed. They were tested operationally in Norway however to see whether they could be used in the planned invasion of the British isles. These tests clearly demonstrated however that the type was unsuited in the fighter role. They were no match for any opponents and the pilots hated the lack of manoeuvrability both in the air and while taxiing on the water. Two aircraft were lost as a result of landing accidents during these tests.

After only 4 months the experiment was terminated and the remaining four aircraft were scrapped.

Technical data:






Model:


Me-109W-1

Engine:


Daimler Benz DB601N, 1200hp

Span:


32ft 4 in

Length:


28ft 10 in

Height:


13ft 2 in

Range:


367mi

Max Speed:


301mph at 18.000ft

Armament:


2 x MG 17 & 2 x MG FF/M




Additional information

Only after completing this model and this page I discovered that there had in fact has been a Me-109W project during the early 1940's. Instead of using multiple struts for the floats this projects uses a faired single attachment.

Also this project is based on the Me-109F and not on the E version.

http://www.xs4all.nl/~tozu/l46/L46-me109w.htm (http://www.xs4all.nl/%7Etozu/l46/L46-me109w.htm)

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major_setback
04-10-2007, 12:21 PM
a nice shot of that Seahawk:

http://www.usswisconsin.org/Pictures/1940%20Pic/020%20Kingfisher.JPG

major_setback
04-20-2007, 12:04 PM
109 on floats. Kit boxart:

http://www.aviapress.com/engl/amo/amo7275.jpg

Rammjaeger
05-06-2007, 06:59 AM
DB-3 floatplane:

http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/9540/db3floatplanemy6.th.jpg (http://img514.imageshack.us/my.php?image=db3floatplanemy6.jpg)

Badsight-
05-06-2007, 07:09 AM
http://aycu03.webshots.com/image/16362/2004882703931321799_rs.jpg

R_Target
05-06-2007, 07:31 AM
There was also a Hellcatfish that never made it off the drawing board.