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JG53_Valantine
04-18-2007, 10:17 PM
Just wondering what everyone's max kills are in one mission running on rull real except external views / similar settings.

Obvisouly no unlimited ammo / fuel http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

The other night i ran into a large formation of 48 mosquito bombers playing normadny 42 flying a 109G2 with gunpods. I ended up bringing down 11 even when the first one exploded infront of me and put massive holes in my right wing!

Also would this be "realisitc" for a real LW pilot in one mission? if not whats the best quess?

Cheers,

KIMURA
04-19-2007, 01:16 AM
7 indivuidudal P-47 kills on a VOW mission(online).
12 kills on a sortie at Zero vs. Wildcat server while flying as a couple (Rotte) with a wingman (Cactus map). He scored 7, I scored 5 a/c.

stathem
04-19-2007, 01:56 AM
Originally posted by JG53_Valantine:
The other night i ran into a large formation of 48 mosquito bombers playing normadny 42 flying a 109G2 with gunpods. I ended up bringing down 11 even when the first one exploded infront of me and put massive holes in my right wing!

Also would this be "realisitc" for a real LW pilot in one mission? if not whats the best quess?

Cheers,

For a LW pilot to run into a formation of Mosquitos? And for them to stay in formation whilst under attack?

No, not at all realistic.

BGs_Ricky
04-19-2007, 03:51 AM
Six Ki-21 flying a Wildcat in a coop mission over Wake. Usually I'm happy if I can score one kill already http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

tools4foolsA
04-19-2007, 03:59 AM
3 Blenheims. Only. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
Offline in Malaya, flying Ki-43 with little Mg's only...

++++

tigertalon
04-19-2007, 04:57 AM
Online, versus human opponents, 6 Bf109Fs in a P40E on UKD2.

Fw190 missions don't count - this plane is brutal.

Offline, 24 B17s with a Me262A1.

leitmotiv
04-19-2007, 05:25 AM
Offline, in FB, the shootdowns could be truly heroic. This decreased in PF, and in 46. I haven't had a particularly memorable offline run recently. When I am in top form I can do terrible things to Fortresses with the Me 163---my gloating was completely destroyed when I read a technical analysis of the 163 which stated it was rendered nearly ineffective (total of nine shootdowns) by jamming of the MK108s. Nice work, Oleg.

rnzoli
04-19-2007, 07:23 AM
my gloating was completely destroyed when I read a technical analysis of the 163 which stated it was rendered nearly ineffective (total of nine shootdowns) by jamming of the MK108s. Nice work, Oleg.
Care to explain why Oleg is responsible for the jamming of Mk108s? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Also bear in mind that no other guns jam either unless damaged by flak or bullets http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Divine-Wind
04-19-2007, 07:30 AM
The most I've gotten online is one kill. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

But! I have an excuse - The last time I flew online (Disregarding this past week) was summer last year. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif That'll kill your flying ability.

Offline I once scored 3 victories flying the Warhawk over New Guinea (Default Dgen campaign).

leitmotiv
04-19-2007, 07:39 AM
Dammit, rnzoli, the point was, obviously, I should not be doing well at all in the 163---the guns should be jamming, but Maddox did not elect to have jamming in his game---thus, MK108s perform flawlessly, thus, the 163 is far too deadly.

Zoom2136
04-19-2007, 08:05 AM
FIVE (109s and 190s) on Warclouds with my trusty Spit....

djetz
04-19-2007, 10:16 AM
There are videos somewhere from a guy who experimented with air-to-air bombing. The most impressive one used a Mistel into a formation of 64 B17s, which caused a sort of chain reaction that destroyed 58 of them. Or something similar, I don't exactly recall the numbers.

As for me, I think four in one mission is the max. Which is probably near the max that was achievable in real life without an amazing run of luck.

horseback
04-19-2007, 10:41 AM
The single sortie record for an American is 9 victories over Leyte Gulf, by David McCampbell, who also held the previous record of seven at the Marianas Turkey Shoot. McCampbell's victims were mostly bombers at the Marianas action, and apparently would be kamikazes at Leyte Gulf. All were single engine aircraft.

McCampbell was a well respected pre-war trained Naval aviator, and was quite capable against more aggressive opponents (he finished with 34 victories), but the reality is that without passive targets (either completely unaware, or 'locked on' to a formation leader or target), multiple easy kills in a single mission would be impossible even for a superlatively skilled pilot and marksman.

Getting a single victory in a sortie was a major accomplishment in real life. Getting multiple kills in a single mission usually required grossly overmatched or ignorant opponents.

cheers

horseback

Diablo310th
04-19-2007, 10:45 AM
5 -109's and 190's on WarClouds a year ago. My best ever. I usually wing em and let the Spits finish them off.

crucislancer
04-19-2007, 10:47 AM
The most I ever shot down in one mission (and survived!) was 7, mainly IL-2s. It was a mission in the German campaign from the original IL-2, where you have to scramble as a few flights of IL-2s come in to wipe out your airfield. One of the ones in the first quarter of the campaign I believe. Anyway, I got incredibly lucky.

crazyivan1970
04-19-2007, 10:52 AM
9

TgD Thunderbolt56
04-19-2007, 10:53 AM
Offline or coops against AI shouldn't count. Even the aces there are n00bs.

Online, my greatest sortie included 7 aerial kills (all single-engined jobs) and 2 static aircraft (I know, I know...those don't count either...stated only for ammunition expense purposes), but I got hammered on final trying to RTB and got something like 80 points. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

I've heard stories of MUCH greater heroism than this though. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif

Personally, the one sortie I remember best was a couple years ago when a squadmate and I ventured deep into enemy territory on the venerable greatergreen (S!) in some SpitV's. We got bounced in close proximity to their base and he was blown up immediately. He stayed and acted as my eyes while I was B&Z'd by more than 6 enemy AC without another friendly in sight. A fight of approximately 5 minutes ensued as I tried to vector towards the line constantly waiting until the last minute before breaking so hard I would almost blackout. I didn't go completely black because if I had I'd have been toast. My wingy was in a quandry because he was mesmerized by the fight, but doubted I would last long enough for him to respawn and come to my aid.

Finally, after a palm-sweaty 5 minutes I had the fence in sight. There were 2 other friendlies I had called to for help, but listening to our conversation, they too, thought it would be over in seconds. Finally, they came screaming by like the cavalry and were able to drive the renemy away (they were probably winchester anyway). http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

In the end I actually got credit for 2 of the bandits where I had tried to plink them in our crazy 6v1 fight and they rtb'd for ammo or damage. I fried my engine as well, but I limped all the way home. The whole time my wingy (=TgD=Vladimir Kazakov) kept saying things like "I can't effin believe you made it outta that hornet's nest". I'm sure a couple of the enemy pilots weren't as good as some, but at least 2 of them were experienced online aces.

Great fun. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif


TB

JG4_Helofly
04-19-2007, 10:59 AM
If you ask for realistic kills/sortie I can tell you that most time it was 0 or 1. For the east front it was different.

The German pilot with the most kills in one sortie I could find, is Major Erich Rudorffer (13).

crazyivan1970
04-19-2007, 11:03 AM
13 huh... almost like they all died just by looking at his plane lol. Love the LW claims http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Klemm.co
04-19-2007, 12:38 PM
Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
13 huh... almost like they all died just by looking at his plane lol. Love the LW claims http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Where's the problem? Thats exactly the number I once achieved in a 109F in RoH vs Hurris, LaGGs and I-16s.
After that all my cannon ammo was gone and all of the enemys too. But it really was a wild fight! It lasted some 10 minutes or so.

crazyivan1970
04-19-2007, 12:53 PM
Sure Klemm, it`s pretty much the same thing.... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Klemm.co
04-19-2007, 01:17 PM
I knew you would say that http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif
I know, fighting against the dumb AI in my warm room is alot different from shooting down 13 enemy planes for real.
I just wanted to say that i believe it could be done in reality with the ammoload of the 109, a lot of skill and a good portion luck.

faustnik
04-19-2007, 01:21 PM
I took out an entire flight before I even took off!



I hit the drop bomb button mistake.

horseback
04-19-2007, 01:22 PM
I just wanted to say that i believe it could be done in reality with the ammoload of the 109, a lot of skill and a good portion luck. But it wasn't done, not even by a truly gifted pilot/marksman like Marseille, in a target environment of overmatched Hurricanes, Blenheims and Tomahawks flown by terrified neophytes.

cheers

horseback

Davinci..
04-19-2007, 01:28 PM
7 online.. winds of war. 5 were actual kills, the other 2 I damaged and they bugged out and landed giving me the "enemy aircraft destroyed" msg(and points).
I usually fly the 190 a4, and I generally RTB as soon as my cannon ammo runs out(I like to bring my plane home) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif unless team mates are in trouble in which case ill stick it out till they are safe.

crazyivan1970
04-19-2007, 03:33 PM
Originally posted by Klemm.co:
I knew you would say that http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif
I know, fighting against the dumb AI in my warm room is alot different from shooting down 13 enemy planes for real.
I just wanted to say that i believe it could be done in reality with the ammoload of the 109, a lot of skill and a good portion luck.

See, you perfectly know the reason i said that http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Divine-Wind
04-19-2007, 03:46 PM
Originally posted by faustnik:
I took out an entire flight before I even took off!



I hit the drop bomb button mistake.
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

That sounds alot like me.

BSS_AIJO
04-19-2007, 04:15 PM
hmmm

Most memorable for me was about a year and a half ago. It was on the Spits V 109s server. Me and someone else cleaned up 13 in one sortie. It was the Murmansk map, we were in b239's I got 6 mostly hurricanes, one might have been a p40.

They never say us comming.. Ok, there was the part where we were booming and zooming ( as much as a buffalo can ) from out of the sun.


BSS_AIJO

Hanglands
04-19-2007, 04:23 PM
57 B-17's with a Mistel.

Admittedly it was an FMB self made mission.

Admittedly I practised a few times.

Admittedly, it never happened in RL.

Admittedly, it is extremely unlikely to have ever happened.

But, to answer a simple question, simply, 57.

agamemnon_b5
04-19-2007, 04:49 PM
Hello all.

The most I've had so far was two in one mission on two seperate occasions. The first sortie was this past Sunday (actually my first time flying online) and I nailed two in a P-38L (they were AI in a coop mission). The second sortie (same day) I was in a Yak-1 and nailed two human oponents (one was on my wingman and never saw me, the second just never saw me.) I think my lucky streak is over sense I either bag one before landing (or getting shot down http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif or just damge one.

Off topic: Anyone else here fly the P-38 on a regular basis? Just wondering sense I fly it purely for air to air combat but I don't see too many others fly it.

CUJO_1970
04-19-2007, 08:14 PM
Online I've scored 7 kills on several occasions recently using FW190A-9, FW190D-9 and P-51D.

Of these three A/C, the FW190A-9 is the pure esscence of a killing machine.

JG53_Valantine
04-19-2007, 08:43 PM
Online my personal best is 6 human players - 2 Spitfires, 2 P40 and 2 Laggs.

In co-op that would be my 11 mozzie bombers

and in single player it would be 8, all hurricanes.

Each and every time it was in a BF109G2 as its my favourite plane! Trying out the FW190 but im still getting used to the way it stalls in tight turns! Anything other then axis doesnt reallyt interest me in flying - they are targets http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

F19_Orheim
04-20-2007, 01:19 AM
I wouldn't know the exact number, but I wouldn't say that I am a high scorer - and to be honest I don't really keep track of runs like that. I do recall taking down 4 Bf109 E4's in a Chaika M62 once online, and 3 with a P11.c on that czech server.. those times are rememberable.

La7_brook
04-20-2007, 01:44 AM
Originally posted by JG53_Valantine:
Online my personal best is 6 human players - 2 Spitfires, 2 P40 and 2 Laggs.

In co-op that would be my 11 mozzie bombers

and in single player it would be 8, all hurricanes.

Each and every time it was in a BF109G2 as its my favourite plane! Trying out the FW190 but im still getting used to the way it stalls in tight turns! Anything other then axis doesnt reallyt interest me in flying - they are targets http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif master the 2 styles , learn the A6 ,it will give u more depth in the use of the 190, and u will be better in the A9 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

La7_brook
04-20-2007, 01:54 AM
Originally posted by La7_brook:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG53_Valantine:
Online my personal best is 6 human players - 2 Spitfires, 2 P40 and 2 Laggs.

In co-op that would be my 11 mozzie bombers

and in single player it would be 8, all hurricanes.

Each and every time it was in a BF109G2 as its my favourite plane! Trying out the FW190 but im still getting used to the way it stalls in tight turns! Anything other then axis doesnt reallyt interest me in flying - they are targets http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif master the 2 styles , learn the A6 ,it will give u more depth in the use of the 190, and u will be better in the A9 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE> use QMB at 3 levels of dogfighting 1500m ,3000 , 5000m this will give u a all round use in the anton http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

ImpStarDuece
04-20-2007, 02:23 AM
I took out 4 Hurricanes and a Spitfire Mk V in a Co-op with a 109G with 20mm gunpods. Was frighteningly easy.

Also took out 2 P-38s, a Spitfire VIII and a P-47 on a Mediterranean scenario while flying a 190A6 online.

Best on the Allies side was 2 Ju-88s, 2 109s (one damaged and kill) and a 190A (as well as two tanks) while flying a Mosquito, of all things. Got the 190A while I was diving into the target area at about 2,000 feet and doing about 360 indicated (start of 'the shakes'), did my run (4 x 500lbs) and returned to 6500 feet. Flamed the 88s as I was passing back into friendly territory, both on the first pass. Was promptly shot at and chased by their 109 escorts back to base at 0 feet (sustaining about 340 mph on the deck) and got some little friends to help out at the airstrip. P-51 and a P-47 crippled the 109s, I finished one off and damaged the other (down to .303s by this point) only to have it plucked from me by a booming Spitfire.

WOLFMondo
04-20-2007, 02:29 AM
Most online was 8 kills in an A9 on WC a long time ago. Most in a single mission/co-op was 8 in a Tempest against Ju88's and 109's.

Bremspropeller
04-20-2007, 05:04 AM
Originally posted by horseback:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I just wanted to say that i believe it could be done in reality with the ammoload of the 109, a lot of skill and a good portion luck. But it wasn't done, not even by a truly gifted pilot/marksman like Marseille, in a target environment of overmatched Hurricanes, Blenheims and Tomahawks flown by terrified neophytes.

cheers

horseback </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


When he claimed 13 in a mission, Rudorffer was flying 190s among JG 54.

By then, he already had a reputation for multiple scoring which he earned during his days at the channel front and in north africa, among JG 2.



BTW: the record of vics per day is claimed by Emil Lang (18), also flying 190s, also among JG 54.

Longpo
04-20-2007, 06:45 AM
Best I've managed online is 5 in a Tempest on War Clouds - Normandy Map I think - shot down a mix of FW-190s.

Stuck to the clouds and got one landing and managed to sneak up on a few and get them when they were forming up after take off.

Got chased on the deck by lots of angry things with big guns a few times and ended up landing with my left wing looking a little ragged, wholes in the cockpit and hardly any fuel left.

I went to take a screenshot of the damage and IL2 locked up http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Zoom2136
04-20-2007, 08:30 AM
Yep those Axis planes are killing machine.... just point and shoot... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Getting kills in a Spit takes skills... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif

Sintubin
04-20-2007, 09:15 AM
6
BF-F2 vs Migs 3 on VOW1

FPSOLKOR
04-20-2007, 02:07 PM
OF-L 22 Ju-52's with MiG-3
O-L 8 (6 FW-190, 1 Me-109, 1 Ju-87) with Il-2 ser 3

FPSOLKOR
04-20-2007, 02:15 PM
Originally posted by JG4_Helofly:
If you ask for realistic kills/sortie I can tell you that most time it was 0 or 1. For the east front it was different.

The German pilot with the most kills in one sortie I could find, is Major Erich Rudorffer (13). According to Andrey Dikov (Top specialist for Baltic) Rudorfer claimed 13 kills in one flight when only 4 planes were actually lost, two by collision... Oh, yes, 18 Il-2 kills in one day by Lang also cannot be proved by any documents... As far as i know the lake was searched after wars end, and they did found four or five planes of different types and different eras - I-153, I-16, a couple of Il-2's (with and without gunner) and a Yak... I would like to know of largest REAL LW kill toll. So far 4 is the most realistic one, with 5 being VERY suspicious... (Overenthusiastic kill claims are not only LW's problem)

horseback
04-20-2007, 03:45 PM
109s lacked the ammo load and instantaneous destructive power to get more than 4 kills in a single sortie, for the most part...

I could see an FW 190 exceeding this against more lightly built opposition, but none of the experten on the Channel Front appear to have done it during their heyday in 1942-43 when they faced mostly Spit Vs. Nor did they manage the feat over North Africa, against even more handicapped Spits with tropical filters, or inexperienced Americans in P-40s.

Against the smaller and sturdier Soviet fighters...tough call.

cheers

horseback

Bremspropeller
04-20-2007, 03:48 PM
Against the smaller and sturdier Soviet fighters...tough call.

A Yak ain't much smaller than a Spit.

A half-second salvo of the latest 20mm season's greetings right into your engine will ruin your day anyway.

MarkSynthesis
04-20-2007, 03:49 PM
Taking down four B-29s in a mission in the final theater of the IJA Campaign, in a Ki-100. I've probably taken down more fighters, but a B-29 is...well, a B-29.

It doesn't help that DGEN throws a ridiculous number at you (your flight of 10 K-100s against 20-30 B-29s), and that the AI is mostly only good for a single sweep against the B-29s (after that, they won't climb again fast enough, and must contend with fighters).

Once you reach the right altitude and speed, the B-29's aren't that hard to deal with though. Their gunners are pretty much useless after a while, and they're so massive you can take them out at long ranges. I ended up exhausting all my ammunition and going in for a final dive, and clipped by rudder on one's engine. Limping back to the airfield, it was absolutely worth it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

horseback
04-20-2007, 04:58 PM
Originally posted by Bremspropeller:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Against the smaller and sturdier Soviet fighters...tough call.

A Yak ain't much smaller than a Spit.

A half-second salvo of the latest 20mm season's greetings right into your engine will ruin your day anyway. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I've built a quite few 1/48 scale models of both types, and I can tell you that the Spit, while in the same general weight class (on average about 1500lbs, or 25% heavier), is significantly larger than the wartime Yaks in every dimension. Side by side, a Spit V or Spit IX positively looms over a Yak 7.

It's at least one step up in size class, was not quite as quick, and therefore a better/easier target...

cheers

horseback