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XyZspineZyX
06-25-2003, 05:55 PM
Here are the historically correct Bf 109 loadouts.


Bf 109E-4
Wing weapons: 2x MG-FFM (60rpg)
Cowling weapons: 2x MG-17 (1000rpg)
Options:
none

Bf 109E-4/B
Wing weapons: 2x MG-FFM (60rpg)
Cowling weapons: 2x MG-17 (1000rpg)
Options:
- 96x SD2 or
- 4x SC50 or
- 1x SC250 or
- 1x SD250


Bf 109E-7/B
Wing weapons: 2x MG-FFM (60rpg)
Cowling weapons: 2x MG-17 (1000rpg)
Options:
Options:
- 96x SD2 or
- 4x SC50 or
- 1x SC250 or
- 1x SD250 or
- 1x Type D droptank


Bf 109E-7/Z
GM-1 seems not to be working
Wing weapons: 2x MG-FFM (60rpg)
Cowling weapons: 2x MG-17 (1000rpg)
Options:
- 1x Type D droptank
note : the other loads should have been possible, but most probably not used since the aircraft was designed as a high altitude fighter rather than a Jabo.


Bf 109F-2
Cowling weapons: 2x MG-17 (500 rpg)
Engine mounted weapon: MG-151 (200 rounds)
Options:
- R1 : 1x SC250
- R1 : 1x SD250
- R1 : 1x AB250-1
- R2 : 4x SC50
- R2 : 4x SD50
- R2 : 4x SD70
- R2 : 4x AB24t SD2 (48x SD2 bombs in total, different from the R4 system)
- R3 : 1x Type D droptank
- R4 : 96x SD2 (4x 24 SD2 bombs = 96)

Bf 109F-4
Cowling weapons: 2x MG-17 (500 rpg)
Engine mounted weapon: MG-151/20 (200 rounds)
Options:
- /R1 : 2x MG151/20 Gondolas (135rpg) (most probably /R1 was used to distinguish aircraft which could actually use the Rüstsatz VII : the MG151/20 gondolas, from aircraft which couldn't)
- R1 : 1x SC250
- R1 : 1x SD250
- R1 : 1x AB250-1
- R2 : 4x SC50
- R2 : 4x SD50
- R2 : 4x SD70
- R2 : 4x AB24t SD2 (48x SD2 bombs in total, different from the R4 system)
- R3 : 1x Type D droptank
- R4 : 96x SD2 (4x 24 SD2 bombs = 96)

Bf 109G-2
Cowling weapons: 2x MG-17 (500 rpg)
Engine mounted weapon: MG-151/20 (200 rounds)
Options:
- R1 : 1x SC250
- R1 : 1x SD250
- R1 : 1x AB250-1
- R2 : 4x SC50
- R2 : 4x SD50
- R2 : 4x SD70
- R2 : 4x AB24t SD2 (48x SD2 bombs in total, different from the R4 system)
- R3 : 1x Type D droptank
- R4 : 96x SD2 (4x 24 SD2 bombs = 96)
- R6 : 2x MG151/20 Gondolas (135rpg)


Bf 109G-6 (Early)
Cowling weapons: 2x MG-131 (300 rpg)
Engine mounted weapon: MG-151/20 (200 rounds)
Options:
- /U4 : replace the MG151/20 engine mounted cannon by an MK108 (65rounds)
- /BR21 : Under wing 21cm rockets
- R1 : 1x SC250
- R1 : 1x SD250
- R1 : 1x AB250-1
- R2 : 4x SC50
- R2 : 4x SD50
- R2 : 4x SD70
- R2 : 4x AB24t SD2 (48x SD2 bombs in total, different from the R4 system)
- R3 : 1x Type D droptank
- R4 : 96x SD2 (4x 24 SD2 bombs = 96)
- R6 : 2x MG151/20 Gondolas (135rpg)

Bf 109G-6 (Late)
Cowling weapons: 2x MG-131 (300 rpg)
Engine mounted weapon: MG-151/20 (200 rounds)
Options:
- /U4 : replace the MG151/20 engine mounted cannon by an MK108 (65rounds)
- /U5 : add 2x MK108 Gondolas (35rpg)
- /U6 : like /U4 and add 2x MK108 Gondolas (35rpg)
- /BR21 : Under wing 21cm rockets
- R1 : 1x SC250
- R1 : 1x SD250
- R1 : 1x AB250-1
- R2 : 4x SC50
- R2 : 4x SD50
- R2 : 4x SD70
- R2 : 4x AB24t SD2 (48x SD2 bombs in total, different from the R4 system)
- R3 : 1x Type D droptank
- R4 : 96x SD2 (4x 24 SD2 bombs = 96)
- R6 : 2x MG151/20 Gondolas (135rpg)
Note : the MK108 gondola manual dates from July 1944 so I doubt earlier aircraft would have been equipped with it, since it required some change in the wing design. The most common version would have been the /U6, the manual clearly state that the modification is to be applied to the /U4.


Bf 109G-6/AS
Cowling weapons: 2x MG-131 (300 rpg)
Engine mounted weapon: MG-151/20 (200 rounds)
Options:
- /U4 : replace the MG151/20 engine mounted cannon by an MK108 (65rounds)
- R1 : 1x SC250
- R1 : 1x SD250
- R1 : 1x AB250-1
- R3 : 1x Type D droptank
- R6 : 2x MG151/20 Gondolas (135rpg)
- Note : I doubt the /AS would have been fitted with rockets or underwing MK108, but add them if you wish.


Bf 109G-10
Cowling weapons: 2x MG-131 (300 rpg)
Engine mounted weapon: MG-151/20 (200 rounds)
Options:
- /U4 : replace the MG151/20 engine mounted cannon by an MK108 (65rounds)
- R1 : 1x SC250
- R1 : 1x SD250
- R1 : 1x AB250-1
- R3 : 1x Type D droptank
- R6 : 2x MG151/20 Gondolas (135rpg)
- R7 : 2x 21cm BR rockets

Bf 109G-14
Cowling weapons: 2x MG-131 (300 rpg)
Engine mounted weapon: MG-151/20 (200 rounds)
Options:
- /U4 : replace the MG151/20 engine mounted cannon by an MK108 (65rounds)
- /U5 : add 2x MK108 Gondolas (35rpg)
- /U6 : like /U4 and add 2x MK108 Gondolas (35rpg)
- /BR21 : Under wing 21cm rockets
- R1 : 1x SC250
- R1 : 1x SD250
- R1 : 1x AB250-1
- R2 : 4x SC50
- R2 : 4x SD50
- R2 : 4x SD70
- R2 : 4x AB24t SD2 (48x SD2 bombs in total, different from the R4 system)
- R3 : 1x Type D droptank
- R4 : 96x SD2 (4x 24 SD2 bombs = 96)
- R6 : 2x MG151/20 Gondolas (135rpg)


Bf 109K-4
Cowling weapons: 2x MG-131 (300 rpg)
Engine mounted weapon: MK108 (65 rounds)
Options:
- R1 : 1x SC500 (possible with ETC-503)
- R1 : 1x SD500 (possible with ETC-503)
- R1 : 1x SC250
- R1 : 1x SD250
- R1 : 1x AB250-1
- R3 : 1x Type D droptank
- R4 : 2x MG151/20 Gondolas (135rpg)




Butch

XyZspineZyX
06-25-2003, 06:02 PM
Wow Butch2K,

Thanks for that awesome post!


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XyZspineZyX
06-26-2003, 05:34 PM
butch2k wrote:
- Here are the historically correct Bf 109 loadouts.
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- Butch
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BUMP !!! Very good list. I hope they'll do it like this. I doubt it will be in the first patch, but maybe in the first upgrade we can get it all.

Do you have something similar for the 190s?? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif



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XyZspineZyX
06-26-2003, 05:59 PM
Yes i did it for every German plane in game, but i can't get my hand on my 190 file. It's probably on my removable disk.

Butch

XyZspineZyX
07-07-2003, 03:41 PM
butch2k wrote:
- Yes i did it for every German plane in game, but i
- can't get my hand on my 190 file. It's probably on
- my removable disk.

Bump gor the great list. Hmm can you have a look at these data? Also He-111 and Ju-87 stuff would be interesting


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XyZspineZyX
07-07-2003, 05:21 PM
Butch has posted this on his site a while ago... I hope he doesn`t mind>

He 111H-2

1. Internal bays : 2x 4 ESAC 250/IX
One 4 ESAC 250/IX could be loaded with :
. 4x SC 250 or
. 16x SC 50 or
. 16x SC 70 or
. a combination : 2x SC 250 and 8 SC50/70 for instance.

So loads would be :
. 8x SC 250 or
. 32x SC 50 or
. 4x SC 250 and 16x SC50 or
. 32x SC 70 or
. 4x SC 250 and 16x SC70
. or any combination

He 111H-6

Three sub variants !!!

1. 1x ETC2000 (left) and PVC1006(right) (first 500 aircraft) or 2x ETC 2000 (501th aircraft and up)
. 1x SC 2500 or
. 2x SC 1000 or
. 2x SD 1400 or
. 2x LMB or
. 2x BSB 1000
(no internal loads)

2. 1x ETC 2000 (Left ???) and 1x 4 ESAC 250/IX
External loads :
. 1x SC 1800 or
. 1x SC 1000 or
. 1x SC/SD 500 or
. 1x SC 1000

Internal load :
The ESAC 250 could be loaded with :
. 4x SC 250 or
. 16x SC 50 or
. 16x SC 70 or
. a combination : 2x SC 250 and 8 SC50/70 for instance.

3. 2x PVC 1006B (torpedo carrier version)

External loads :
. 2x Torpedoes
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As for Ju-87D-3 and D-5, I believe it was possible to equip with:

- 1xSC1800kg under belly
- 1xPC1600kg armor piercing under belly
- 1x1400kg under belly
- 1x1000kg AP or GP under belly
- 3x500kg under belly and wings
- 3x250kg under belly and wings
- combnations of 250 and 500kg
- combinations of 250 and 500kg AB bomblet containers, loaded with anti personell or anti tank bomblets
- There was possibility to use 2x 7.92mm machingun containers under each wing, each conatiner having 6x7.92mm MG81 machineguns, which fired slightly downwards for strafing. 12+2x7.92 MGs is a real shredder of trucks! Some 360 bullets leaving the barrels every second..

Sorry I couldnt make it more precise, it was from memory.

Personally I miss the anti tank bomblets, the big (1000, 1800, 2500kg) bombs and the MG pods the most...

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XyZspineZyX
07-10-2003, 01:16 PM
deserves a bump /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif


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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 01:20 PM
bump


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XyZspineZyX
07-14-2003, 05:06 AM
nice list but i wonder if it were possible to install panzerblitz rockets on the bf109? ok its dont mean anything but i saw some bf109 in a movie with like 8 rockets under the wings. would be nice IF it is historical correct to have this option (if we get them but without them the 190F appears worthless to me) http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif i really start to enjoy the fw190 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif)))

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XyZspineZyX
07-14-2003, 01:27 PM
Pimpo wrote:
ok its
- dont mean anything but i saw some bf109 in a movie
- with like 8 rockets under the wings.

That might be Rheinmetall Borsig RZ 65.

http://www.luftarchiv.de/flugkorper/rz651.jpg

^^109F-4 with RZ 65 built into the wings

http://www.luftarchiv.de/flugkorper/rz652.jpg


No serial use.


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XyZspineZyX
07-15-2003, 02:35 PM
^^


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XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 06:16 PM
Needs a bump

XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 08:56 PM
willey,
ein einsamer k¤mpfer /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

bump from me too .


Panzerblitz rules /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


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XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 09:21 PM
That MG81 battery of the Ju-87's is really scary... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 09:28 PM
96x SD2 <they like lil ptab bombs or bomblets?
i might finaly be able to hit and kill tanks with jabo then /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 10:11 PM
p1ngu666 wrote:
- 96x SD2 <they like lil ptab bombs or bomblets?
- i might finaly be able to hit and kill tanks with
- jabo then

SD2s are small fragmentation bombs, so you're outta luck there.

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XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 11:28 PM
bump!

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