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VMF-214_Pappy
10-27-2004, 04:50 PM
okay this one really makes sense.

It takes about 7-8 torps to sink a CV or 5 2000lber hits.

Why does one freaking canister of napalm sink a carrier. I know some ships had wooden decks but that would not effect the watertighness of the hull or compartments. Maybe some secondaries going off could do some damage, but napalm should not sink a ship. Maybe roast some sailors.

Also why if you drop napalm at low level it blows your plane to bits like you just dropped a 2000lber. There is tons of camera footage specially in Korean war of Corsair dropping napalm on Chinese troops just feet on the deck.

VMF-214_Pappy
10-27-2004, 04:50 PM
okay this one really makes sense.

It takes about 7-8 torps to sink a CV or 5 2000lber hits.

Why does one freaking canister of napalm sink a carrier. I know some ships had wooden decks but that would not effect the watertighness of the hull or compartments. Maybe some secondaries going off could do some damage, but napalm should not sink a ship. Maybe roast some sailors.

Also why if you drop napalm at low level it blows your plane to bits like you just dropped a 2000lber. There is tons of camera footage specially in Korean war of Corsair dropping napalm on Chinese troops just feet on the deck.

owlwatcher
10-27-2004, 05:45 PM
Was wondering if napalm was included in the game. Thanks for the heads up.

Mozzie21
10-27-2004, 06:55 PM
The danger with iron bombs comes from the shrapnel.

Napalm on the other hand is an incendiary. It does not have any shrapnel, it just sets things on fire. If naplam set a large enough fire on ship it could probably do a fair bit of damage, but ships do have an unlimited supply of water to fight it.

That is the thing that pisses me off about hollywood films. They totally emphasize the blast in explosions. There are never any people who are decapitated by some chunk of shrapnel 100 meters away like in real life.

Viper_42
10-27-2004, 07:04 PM
I hope no one uses it online. It would end the game early.

VMF-214_Pappy
10-27-2004, 09:45 PM
My point is it sinks the CV right away, no time for secondary fires to set off ordanace or anything it just starts going down like the titanic

Korbelz
10-27-2004, 10:02 PM
could it maybe be one of those bugs things i've heard about when a human programs a few million lines of code over the course of years...a mistake even?

Copperhead310th
10-27-2004, 10:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VMF-214_Pappy:
okay this one really makes sense.

It takes about 7-8 torps to sink a CV or 5 2000lber hits.

Why does one freaking canister of napalm sink a carrier. I know some ships had wooden decks but that would not effect the watertighness of the hull or compartments. Maybe some secondaries going off could do some damage, but napalm should not sink a ship. Maybe roast some sailors.

Also why if you drop napalm at low level it blows your plane to bits like you just dropped a 2000lber. There is tons of camera footage specially in Korean war of Corsair dropping napalm on Chinese troops just feet on the deck. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gifGeez Pappy...whay don't you just tell the japanese how to sink all our ships. Duuuuu http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
good God. some ppl just never know when to keep their big traps shut. I'm soooo glad you don't work for the CIA. you'ld be buyg terroists 1st calss tickets on Delta. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Note: Not Japs, japanese, from now on its japanese, ok Copper? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

ElAurens
10-27-2004, 10:22 PM
I did not think the Japanese had napalm Copperhead.

camped69
10-27-2004, 10:57 PM
Dam napalm.

WOLFMondo
10-28-2004, 12:24 AM
The VAP's on the IL2's will also sink most ships.

TheJoyStick
10-28-2004, 12:41 AM
Holy ****, napalm is overmodelled!

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nr88
10-28-2004, 02:41 AM
It is a bug. Or at least it is incorect. But it might stay unchanged. Like the IL-2s' PTAB bombs. You can sink many ships with them. And if they are sitting next to each other, they are all gone.

Shangko
10-28-2004, 05:32 AM
Alone direct hit of SC1800 bomb launched for Stuka D3 make heavy damage of "Lexington"

http://adjuntos.miarroba.com/485193/5140574751.jpg

http://adjuntos.miarroba.com/485193/833c45b429.jpg

Alone direct hit of SC1800 bomb (http://miarroba.com/foros/ver.php?foroid=487815&temaid=2778851)

WUAF_Badsight
10-28-2004, 05:34 AM
have you bothered to make up a bug report & send it off before you posted this here

TacticalYak3
10-28-2004, 06:13 AM
Poor VMF-214_Pappy becomes the next victim of the dreaded Oleg Cult. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

Important find. Please post in the Bug List. Maybe if everyone uses it online and it becomes a real problem the Developer will actually fix it, opposed to a select few who may try to use it as a "cheat"?

DuxCorvan
10-28-2004, 09:09 AM
Those ships are not sinking, Pappy. They just dive to fight the fire. If you wait for three hours or so, you'll see them appear again.

You should read more about WW2 submarine carrier technology. I sent Oleg one book on the topic, and I'm glad he's made profit of it.

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WereSnowleopard
10-28-2004, 09:42 AM
Ummm....why not banned IL-2; which is only one can carry fire bombs, in "PF" style online war. I know that IL-2T carry only torpedo, up to you.

Cheers
Snowleopard

TacticalYak3
10-28-2004, 09:48 AM
Good point. Somewhat OT but related to the IL-2T was that it was only in the last few months that I started developing my bomb skipping techniques. The reason I mention this is that up until then I (and most folks I think) limited themselves to the torp for ships.

And having said that, I assume one can skip bomb carriers, so maybe there are also other ways to destroy them much quicker than torps.

Philipscdrw
10-28-2004, 10:13 AM
yeah, you commandeer the ship and scuttle it.

Philipscdrw
10-28-2004, 10:16 AM
Or infiltrate the Israeli navy, get trained in submarine ops on an exchange course with the RN, then buy a Kilo-class submarine on the black market, drive it though the straights of Istanbul underwater, then blow up the carrier with nuclear-warhead torpedoes.

VMF-214_Pappy
10-28-2004, 10:58 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Copperhead310th:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VMF-214_Pappy:
okay this one really makes sense.

It takes about 7-8 torps to sink a CV or 5 2000lber hits.

Why does one freaking canister of napalm sink a carrier. I know some ships had wooden decks but that would not effect the watertighness of the hull or compartments. Maybe some secondaries going off could do some damage, but napalm should not sink a ship. Maybe roast some sailors.

Also why if you drop napalm at low level it blows your plane to bits like you just dropped a 2000lber. There is tons of camera footage specially in Korean war of Corsair dropping napalm on Chinese troops just feet on the deck. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gifGeez Pappy...whay don't you just tell the japs how to sink all our ships. Duuuuu http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
good God. some ppl just never know when to keep their big traps shut. I'm soooo glad you don't work for the CIA. you'ld be buyg terroists 1st calss tickets on Delta. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey there bright light guess what. Japs cant carry napalm only F4u1d can derrrrrrr.

WOLFMondo
10-28-2004, 11:51 AM
Have you tried tiny tims on a carrier then? They don't last long.

Metallicaner
10-28-2004, 11:56 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Viper_42:
I hope no one uses it online. It would end the game early. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Obviously the carrier's anti-aircraft guns are far more effective online rather than offline, so it's not really that wasy to bring down the carriers wether you've got a napalm bomb or not, and some of the US carriers (or is it british?) have a deck of metal, not wood, so one hit on a US/british ship is not enough, atleast two hits http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

JG53Frankyboy
10-28-2004, 12:54 PM
how effective the ship AAA isd is just a setting in misisonbuilder !

and EVERY carrier , also the armoured british ones , are sinking after a napalm hit.

Yellonet
10-28-2004, 01:14 PM
Sinking a CV with napalm is just silly.
Napalm has no penetrating power, it would "just" burn the deck.
It would take enormous amounts to sink a large ship with napalm.
A good spread of napalm over the ship would probably make it pretty useless though...

I would say it's the damage models fault. The weapons doesn't seem to have anything but different damage.
There should be different explosive patterns, different penetration.. and so on.

Metallicaner
10-28-2004, 02:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Yellonet:
Sinking a CV with napalm is just silly.
Napalm has no penetrating power, it would "just" burn the deck.
It would take enormous amounts to sink a large ship with napalm.
A good spread of napalm over the ship would probably make it pretty useless though...

I would say it's the damage models fault. The weapons doesn't seem to have anything but different damage.
There should be different explosive patterns, different penetration.. and so on. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>sure, that's true, but like you said, the carrier would been useless with a damaged deck so it might aswell sink http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

DuxCorvan
10-28-2004, 02:06 PM
If you activate the little crewmen, you can actually see them pi$$ing on the fire while the boat sinks... try it! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Tater-SW-
10-28-2004, 02:10 PM
1 napalm killing a CV is absurd.

tater

XyZspineZyX
10-28-2004, 02:35 PM
Hmm, yes, it sounds like ship damage is just hitpoints.

It would be sweet if ship damage had the fidelity of the aircraft damage model in the game... even if it wasn't as visually detailed. It would just be neat to see a bombstrike astern take out the engines or a side impact cause the ship to list to that side... Fuse your bomb delay just right and score a magazine hit!? That would be way cool.

BTW, my understanding was that near misses with sizeable bombs would actually do a lot of damage to the hull; But in IL2 a near miss seems to have absolutely zero effect. Can any of you with PF tell if near misses cause any damage?

Metallicaner
10-28-2004, 03:45 PM
omg how do you activate the crewmen?

LeLu_Repo
10-28-2004, 03:49 PM
For fun I tested how many 250kg it takes to sink Lexington. Flew Val offcourse, with invulnerabilityhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

And for my surprise it takes 16 hits to sink Lexingtonhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Kind of makes it impossible to sinkhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

fabianfred
10-28-2004, 05:51 PM
Duxcorvan... I like your sense of humour http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

the 'tiny tims' seem to be able to put anything down... although they weren't actually in time for WW2 to be of use

Metallicaner
10-29-2004, 12:07 PM
but seriously, I've seen "humans" behind the ship cannons in some of the screenies!

Fennec_P
10-29-2004, 12:14 PM
In conf.ini, in the [game] section, add the line:

3dgunners=1

They laugh at your puny napalm.

Snootles
10-29-2004, 03:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> the carrier would been useless with a damaged deck so it might aswell sink <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Unless you're flying off of one of the British armoured deck carriers. Yes, with a wooden deck a carrier might be in trouble as an aircraft platform...

crazyivan1970
10-29-2004, 03:19 PM
It`s an issue and O.M. is aware.

A.K.Davis
10-29-2004, 03:20 PM
thanks ivan