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XyZspineZyX
07-05-2003, 03:30 PM
Whats the fastest anyone has clocked in the Bf 109 K-4 at level flight in this game at low altitude.

Mine using manual prop pitch is just over 650KPH while using atuo I managed 640 KPH...

I have heard of people getting 670+KPH out of it but still puzzled has to how they do it anyone know?

XyZspineZyX
07-05-2003, 03:30 PM
Whats the fastest anyone has clocked in the Bf 109 K-4 at level flight in this game at low altitude.

Mine using manual prop pitch is just over 650KPH while using atuo I managed 640 KPH...

I have heard of people getting 670+KPH out of it but still puzzled has to how they do it anyone know?

XyZspineZyX
07-05-2003, 07:31 PM
Depends, in RL, or in Fb?
In RL , the speed records were something more dificult to obtaine.
e.g. until nov 1945(I think) the speed recofd on enclosed circuit was kept by the gemans ,about 755 km/h on a Me-209 flown by Fritz Wendel in 1939. this record was beated by a Meteor: 975km/h in nov 1945.

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XyZspineZyX
07-05-2003, 07:41 PM
"While the Bf-109 was being blooded over Spain, its capabilities were also being demonstrated to the world in Switzerland. At the Fourth International Flying Meeting, held at Z├╝rich in July and August 1937, Bf-109Bs won four first prizes. Back in Germany, the Bf-109V-13, using a boosted 1,650-hp version of the Daimler-Benz DB 601 engine and flown by Hermann Wurster, set a landplane speed record of 379.8 mph on November 11. Ernst Heinkel, whose He-112 was rapidly losing ground to the Messerschmitt, responded with a sleeker design, the He-100. With German fighter-inspector Ernst Udet at the controls, an He-100V-3 achieved a speed of 394.4 mph on June 6, 1938, and an He-100V-8, flown by Hans Dieterle, reached 463.92 mph on March 30, 1939.

Not to be outdone, Messerschmitt undertook a major redesign of his basic fighter, producing the Me-209V-1, with a special DB 601ARJ engine that could boost its power from 1,500 hp to 2,300 hp for about one minute, bringing the maximum speed up to 469.22 mph on April 29. At that point the Bf-109 was in full production, and the Nazi Propaganda Ministry falsely designated the record-making plane the "Bf-109R" (to make it seem like a less-radical variant on an existing fighter type), while the RLM barred Heinkel from trying to outdo the Messerschmitt. As a result, that official piston-engine speed record would stand for the next 30 years."

Not 100% sure on it but thats what ive read

XyZspineZyX
07-05-2003, 07:44 PM
Bumpidy bumpily bumpest bumberly bumb

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XyZspineZyX
07-05-2003, 07:48 PM
never tried the 109 but with manual prop pitch my 190 d 45

has mantained 650 and as fast as 670 and was able to maintain that indefinatly but it would bounce between 670 and about 660 but it would go up and down as i reved the motor but it would maintain that.

XyZspineZyX
07-05-2003, 07:58 PM
The final production wartime variant was the Me-109K, powered by a 1,550-hp DB 605 ASCM/DCM engine with MW 50 methanol injection. Standard armament consisted of one engine-mounted 30mm MK 103 or MK 108 cannon and two 15mm MG 151 cannons in the cowling. Its maximum speed reached 452 mph at 19,685 feet. The Me-109K-2 and Me-109K-4 made their combat debuts during Operation Bodenplatte, a last desperate mass Jabo strike against British and American air bases in France on January 1, 1945. By then, they were too few and too late to have any more effect on the war's outcome than the more advanced fighters that had been developed by a desperate Nazi war machine.

XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 02:09 PM
tom72k wrote:
Standard armament consisted of one engine-mounted 30mm MK 103 or MK 108 cannon and two 15mm MG 151 cannons in the
cowling.

OK - Just before someone else jumps in here that statement is just plain wrong. Over and over again it is stated that the late variant (K) 109's had 15mm cannon & MK103 but it just isn't true.

No offense meant, just it's a classic mistake /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 02:28 PM
The 109K-2 never saw combat. A set of total 10 109K-2 was planned to start an 0-serie by Nov.43, but cancelled by GFN Milch himself. At least 1 or 2 were produced as preserie and at Wolf Hirth in min. 1 wooden tail section was made for one of those a/c. Werknummer 600056 was delivered to Tarnewitz by Nov.44 for further tests.

The 109K-4 had first a MG151/20 and 2xMG131(13mm) as standard for preserie and testing and display a/c. Standard in production was 1xMk108(65rounds)/2xMG131(300rpg).

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XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 02:55 PM
Stavanger_1 wrote:
- Whats the fastest anyone has clocked in the Bf 109
- K-4 at level flight in this game

Von_Zero wrote:
- Depends, in RL, or in Fb?

(and then everybody starts talking about RL) *Sigh* READ the original question guys. Stick to the SIM!. The speeds vary according to altitude. And many peeps don't have a clue how to really test the speeds. They do things like leave the cockpit on so they don't see the actual speed, forget to turn wind off in the settings, can't fly perfectly level at an exact altitude (some people actually think the wing leveler is good enough..lol) WRONG! It takes an experienced test pilot that knows what he is doing to get accurate data in this game.

I'm sure the K-4 will go faster at higher altitudes.

Here is how fast the 109G6/AS could go in IL2
Actual Speeds
10 586
500 593
1000 601
1500 609
2000 617
2500 625
3000 634
3500 634
4000 634
4500 636
5000 658
5500 680
6000 702
6500 703
7000 703
7500 703
8000 703

I have not bothered to do the data for FB (because the FM is kinda whack and will be changed) but I have done an exaustive study on the speed of the 109K4 at sea level (as you can tell by now I am an ace who knows what he is talking about)

On a summer map, flying at exactly 10m over the ocean (use zoom view and your trim on a slider for better control), with the wind turned off and 25% gas and default ammo loadout, cowl closed and WEP power, the top speed is 640km/h This can be achieved with prop pitch auto and 102-105% throttle, or prop pitch manaual set to 60% with 110% throttle.

Furthurmore, with 110% WEP power and prop pitch manual, you can tap the 50% and 60% prop pitch in oscillating rythm to the engine RPM's and bump the speed up to 656km/h. (rubberbanding the prop)

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XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 06:15 PM
and you break the plane while reverbetaring the fusselage in harmonics.....go back to sniff your armpits.



RayBanJockey wrote:
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- Furthurmore, with 110% WEP power and prop pitch
- manual, you can tap the 50% and 60% prop pitch in
- oscillating rythm to the engine RPM's and bump the
- speed up to 656km/h. (rubberbanding the prop)
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XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 06:26 PM
The plane doesn't break. I call it "enhanced turbo mode".

Oscillations are some of the strangest exploits you can imagine in flight sims. for example in CFS1, using the FW only on hard flight model at low altitudes, you could oscillate the nose up and down and go like 150mph faster than top speed. It was called "buggy whipping the FW" and I discovered it.

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XyZspineZyX
07-07-2003, 05:23 PM
Cool I will have to try the prop pitch at 60 with 110% throttle thxs for that.

Anyone know if the Mk 108 added to the Bf 109 G6 actually slow the plane down at all?


And since there was a post on the Fw 190 what are the best prop settings for it?

Just out of intrest I tried doing tests myself but I don't get anywhere.

Thxs for you help guys

XyZspineZyX
07-07-2003, 05:45 PM
The Mk108 does not slow it down at all, and the performance loss is neglegible.

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