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dchalfont
03-10-2011, 10:46 PM
Obviously not a lot is known about the faction but take a look at these pictures which I'm sure after seeing them you will agree that it is more than we would have gotten in 6 months of 'picture of the day'.

Definitely the coolest town/castle of all.

I'm very happy about the introduction of a new original faction and couldn't care less that the other traditional towns aren't in the vanilla release because we don't simply need a reskin of heroes every few years. We need changes and new ideas.

That is not to say I don't want the other factions back in the expansions, just that the changes are so good and dramatic I can live without them.

This faction is my favourite.


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danol391
03-11-2011, 12:33 AM
I like the looks of this new faction very much, pleasantly surprised http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Spiralkill
03-11-2011, 12:40 AM
This faction is my favorite.
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wont be able to say for sure till I play it, but from what I saw so far, it is probably going to be my favorite as well.

mcgslo
03-11-2011, 01:03 AM
I think we got what we wanted... water based faction... it looks very good... i am also happy... Heroes 6 looks like it could be the best Heroes of its series... it would however need at least 4 more factions and RMG in the end.

TarponCrest
03-11-2011, 01:29 AM
I am very pleased as well. Fresh new units to explore an enjoy. I love that they are a water faction.

However I am happy that they are keeping some of the old traditional factions, re-skinned or not I like to see the old with the new, If not then it feels like a different game.

Great job dev team! and that artist(s) doing the art work needs a big pay RAISE! A true feel of mysticism and aquatic feel I get when I see the artwork (all of it not just the units). I sure hope the team working on the game has equally as skilled story tellers for the campaign(s).

If the AI is good and challenging for the pros ( I am not one sad to say just a player). Then I have no doubt this will be game of the year with very high quality expansions to come as a result.

Time will tell but looks like it is on a very good path so far.

Elementalist.
03-11-2011, 01:43 AM
Reskinned factions? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif That's a funny thing to say given that they play much different from last time.

dchalfont
03-11-2011, 03:01 AM
Originally posted by Elementalist.:
Reskinned factions? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif That's a funny thing to say given that they play much different from last time.

I didn't say they were reskinned, I said I didn't WANT reskinned factions.

I'm ecstatic that we have a new original champion unit for Necros. I love the Lamasu...I like all the unit changes because they do feel different.

What I'm saying is that the purists would have us using every faction from H3 with the same lineup just with improved graphics ( lol actually a lot of the purists still want d2 :S:S:S:S ).

I think that the changes are so good to the lineups that a lot of the older factions will play like a new faction and that feeling of freshness is great.

Not to mention the gameplay changes.....but this thread isn't for d!** sucking...it's for talking about the sanctuary faction.

If I thought the game was a reskin....I wouldn't be posting here.

EDIT:

Unless you were referrring to tarpons post....in which case I'll shut the hell up...

@mcgslo

WHo knows, we will probably have at least 3 more factions by the games end...I doubt they'd leave either of the elven factions of Academy out.

Fingers crossed for 2 expansions with 2 factions in each http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Thunion
03-11-2011, 04:27 AM
Faction look really amazing,i just love theyr Champ.Maybe even new favourite faction but i hope seeing academy in expansions.Hmm also do you heared the idea of all units buffing one? I guess this will be cool..IN later game,what about early game with 2-3 core units?

Elementalist.
03-11-2011, 04:33 AM
Relax, just saying http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Everyone has his own wishes for heroes and it's a shame to see certain people disappointed with original ideas like this faction or traditional faction redesigns. Anyways it's probably a fair guess to say that the classic factions will be returning, I'm sure ubi knows better than that http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif I'm very eager to see how those will be under a fresh point of view, be it design or gameplay. Hell I'd even like to see the dwarves return sometime.

Now about sanctuary, I very much enjoy the artistic direction and philosophy/feel of the faction. Perhaps it takes the game a step farther from the traditional European medieval theme but I see it more like a decision that complements than contradict the heroes universe. Aliens and high-tech would shake off my immersion, this one only invites me to take a dive and see what's new to discover http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Gameplay-wise it sounds pretty different to what we've seen so far so it may not be everyone's cup of tea, still I like the idea. Worth noting that people are mistaking Erwan's words to mean that sanctuary is the kind of offensive faction that depends on focused fire. That's a stretch really, the nagas are geared towards defense, support and outmaneuvering their opponents. Reckless offense is for the orcs http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

dchalfont
03-11-2011, 04:47 AM
The screen with the castle siege view is mind blowing, I love that the entire interior is water and lily pads etc.

I saw a gameplay video that showed a battle on that terrain out in the adventure map and it looked awesome, the castle screen is just as amazing too. No more boring battles on generic terrain.

http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/6276/60524220110309screen008.jpg

Destruction3402
03-11-2011, 05:21 AM
The first piece of artwork is so awesome!
A dragon, and a woman wielding a sword, captured in an epic moment. What more could someone wish? :P

SwampLord450
03-11-2011, 08:31 AM
I really like this faction, I just feel that the spring spirit and ice maiden are a little too similar conceptually, but still a very nice looking faction. And the T7 is the best looking by far. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Really disappointed they didn't put in any HIII Fortress creatures for this town, though; it seemed the perfect opportunity to do so. Guess they're determined to make sure it never appears in the series again. Kind of depressing. :\

I mean, c'mon, we haven't gotten anything in a decade, and we even got the town name stolen by a new town for no reason, throw us a freakin' bone here guys! :P

Thunion
03-11-2011, 09:36 AM
Err SwampLord what about wyverns and hydras which appeared in H5? And i dont think Swamp creatures would fit this creatures.I mean swamp is well swamp,and those guys from naga want pure water aka water spirits.No offense of course,but well Stronghold was very orriented on defense and stronghold from H5 had very similar concept,just totaly changed apperance.But one creatures i would like to see from stronghold is gorgons.. BRING BULLIES BACK!I want death breath back to,one hiting boss ;DD(just kiding about Death Breath,againt bosses it would be op)

Mundkunst
03-12-2011, 02:04 AM
This really seems awesome, somehow it reminds me of the Elves faction from HoMM3, but that might just be me.

@Tarponcrest
Although this might be high on the Games of the Year with the current outlook, i wouldn't take this for a winner, not with Dragon Age just released and looking at Mass Effect 3 coming out in Q4, as big a fan as I am of this series, there's no competition with those games really.

WaterPoloLaw
03-12-2011, 10:50 AM
Originally posted by Mundkunst:
This really seems awesome, somehow it reminds me of the Elves faction from HoMM3, but that might just be me.

@Tarponcrest
Although this might be high on the Games of the Year with the current outlook, i wouldn't take this for a winner, not with Dragon Age just released and looking at Mass Effect 3 coming out in Q4, as big a fan as I am of this series, there's no competition with those games really.

That is only because, in my opinion, the gaming industry has largely lost its way. I could rant about this for some time, but let me just say that games like Halo, Dragon Age, Mass Effect, Black Ops, etc are the types of games that have all but ruined the gaming industry in my opinion, at least for me.

Maybe I am just old (32) and old fashioned, but games should require players to use their minds extensively and contain a strategic planning element. Personally, I just cannot stand the first-person shooter games that are now being passed off as either strategy or rpgs. Even games like Oblivion, which I purchased a number of years ago, just didn't do it for me.

To each his own and I can understand this is a personal opinion, but I personally would never even consider purchasing a game like Dragon Age or Mass Effect (especially Mass Effect) over a game like Heroes.

Of course, however, I am probably in the minority here. Personally, a game to me is more about the strategy and the ability to use my mind than it is about wasting my time using my thumbs or clicking my mouse really fast to gain an advantage over an enemy. I like games that allow me to use my mind to gain a competitive advantage; otherwise it is not a game for me, but a mindless waste of time.

Most games these days like Dragon Age and Mass Effect in my opinion are just flashy first person shooters that offer very little in the way of any sort of strategic planning element. In the distant past, games had to rely solely on story and strategic planning elements. Otherwise, they were little better or worse, than mindlessly watching television.

In the last 13 years, there has been a steady decline in the level of sophisticated strategic planning contained in both console and PC games. I would even go so far as to say that several recent RTS games lack almost all form of strategy and revovle simply around how quickly you can click your mouse and use short-cut keys. I would even go so far to say that there has not been a true real time strategy that has been released since Age of Mytholgy, all other so called RTS games lack most any strategic planning elements.

Kudos to Ubi and BH for building a game revovling around strategic planning, because there are few games that are presently being developed that contains, in my opinion, what are NECESSARY elements. Take away those elements and it is no longer a game for me and is a worthless, mindless, waste of time...kind of like watching TV, which I can't stand.

Sorry to rave, but there is a VERY good reason while many of us will be pre-ording Heroes and all of its expansions and will not even consider or even care about any Dragon Age, Oblivion, Halo, Mass Effect, Black Ops, click click use your thumbs to gain an upper edge in battle, bs (i.e., all first person shooter midless bs or one step above it).

Pankratz1980
03-12-2011, 10:54 AM
The art direction the dev team decided to opt for as far as this faction is concerned is simply AMAZING.
Easily the most spectacular faction in terms of visuals.

Zanosan
03-12-2011, 11:29 AM
One thing I noticed in the Sanctuary Hero picture/ castle. How can a Naga hero be on a mount? Nagas don't have legs. Also, why does the mount have to be like a horse like creature? why can't it be a giant lizard or frog or something more fitting for the race.

I hope the Devs take notice of this oddity http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Infiltrator-SF
03-12-2011, 01:22 PM
WaterPoloLaw - I just want to comment on your remark how there wasn't any strategic RTS since AoM - while I agree on a general level that games have been dumbed down recently, if you look at Starcraft 2, a PC only game, and RTS at that stayed true to the original and improved the formula at that. While the game does require considerable mechanical skills - the original did as well, and to a bigger degree even.

Quite peculiar that you did not mention the resource diminishment in H6 somewhere in your post.

WaterPoloLaw
03-12-2011, 02:02 PM
Originally posted by Infiltrator-SF:
WaterPoloLaw - I just want to comment on your remark how there wasn't any strategic RTS since AoM - while I agree on a general level that games have been dumbed down recently, if you look at Starcraft 2, a PC only game, and RTS at that stayed true to the original and improved the formula at that. While the game does require considerable mechanical skills - the original did as well, and to a bigger degree even.

Quite peculiar that you did not mention the resource diminishment in H6 somewhere in your post.

To each his own. Starcraft II was just a disappointment for me personally. To be fair, I did not actually purchase the game, just played a few multiplayer games on my brother's laptop when we took the kids skiing a couple of months ago. Maybe I didn't give it a fair chance; that is certainly a possibiliy.

I actually think that the resource diminishment in H6 will actually improve strategic elements in the Heroes series. Crystals are going to be important now regardless of faction. I can see more strategy when people fight over the same limited resource.

Khanofallorcs
03-12-2011, 02:12 PM
Zanosan; I believe that might be that Irina hero they mentioned earlier, otherwise I agree, it would be odd to have Naga riders.

dchalfont
03-12-2011, 05:43 PM
@Zanosan
The developers said that there would be units that moved on foot. Whether they glide ( river spirit-esque hero ) or slide ( tide warrior-esque hero ) the prinicple will be the same.

Thunion
03-13-2011, 12:28 AM
@WaterPoloLaw
Well those action rpgs are good way to relax when you are sick of strategy planing,and want just to have fun(For me it will always be UT-99) However i totaly todnt understand the People who can play the same Counter-Strike for years and dont get Bored :O.I agree with you that most of RTS start to depend on how fast you hit hit Hot-keys more then on strategy so i tryng to get most of TBS for example Elven Legacy:Such an amazing strategy and need to make alots of strategic decisions.
Btw Age of Mythology was really somthing amazing sadly AoM 2 never came ;/.

And more about topic i dont get,why they decided that every one are moving on horses?Last game gived some Uniquiti(I typed thise word right?) by introducing diffrent mounts.

Also strategicly i dont get why nagas placed all those leaves there? It would be much easier to fight underwater :P,but well i hope that there will be at least some movment bonus for naga for fighting in theyr castle.

Khanofallorcs
03-13-2011, 08:16 AM
Thunion; they put those leaves there because other units might get there. It would be unfair,or odd, anyway to use an Inferno hero to attack that castle, and to find out you're going to have to fight them underwater, while other castles have common terrain.

Zanosan
03-13-2011, 09:12 AM
Thanks for the info Dchalfont, Khanofallorcs. I hope its true cause if the Devs are thinking about things like the correct mounts or hero looks then I have hope for the rest of the game too.

Still, I think it be a lot cooler if the human sanctuary hero was riding somthing other than a Turquoise colored horse (~_~)

Metamagician
03-13-2011, 09:44 AM
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Originally posted by danol391:
I like the looks of this new faction very much, pleasantly surprised http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I would really like a faction that is Imperial, uniformed, human, relies on gadgets and ranged combat.
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Thunion
03-13-2011, 11:11 AM
Thunion; they put those leaves there because other units might get there. It would be unfair,or odd, anyway to use an Inferno hero to attack that castle, and to find out you're going to have to fight them underwater, while other castles have common terrain.
Yeah i guessed it,it was kinda joke ;P imagine.
"Kiril:Irina i gonna crush you castle and make it inferno! Demonic armies preapere to siege!
Demon:Err Lord we have a problem
Kiril:Huh?
Demon:There is water behind walls.. and we cant swim...
Kiril:OP!!!!"
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I would really like a faction that is Imperial, uniformed, human, relies on gadgets and ranged combat
Well Academy always was somthing like that,they were always most technical advanced thanks to magic use + they relly on Ranged very much(Most of the time academy/tower was the only faction with 3 shoters,the only faction with t7 as Shoter.But well i hardly belive they would make Another human faction,there is to much races to be exploited.Well other races MAYBE relyng on gadets could be dwarves,but for sure not ranged combat "Who needs a bow or spell,dwarves kill and die honorably with mace in theyr hands watching in the eyes of falling enemy!"

OmegaZoa
03-23-2011, 03:00 PM
Nagas too much of the asian theme to me, no racism intended.

Khanofallorcs
03-23-2011, 10:59 PM
I have mentioned this in another topic but there have been two major updates in the Naga section:

The creatures (no 3D model sadly)
http://might-and-magic.ubi.com...sanctuary/index.aspx

And the story part
http://might-and-magic.ubi.com...sanctuary/index.aspx (http://might-and-magic.ubi.com/heroes-6/en-GB/game/factions/sanctuary/index.aspx)
Anybody also just waiting to test the new faction?!

dchalfont
03-23-2011, 11:28 PM
Thanks for linking to the Sancturary updates but the link appears to be broken.

Here is a link that someone posted on facebook that orks
http://might-and-magic.ubi.com...sanctuary/index.aspx (http://might-and-magic.ubi.com/heroes-6/en-GB/game/creatures/sanctuary/index.aspx)

and the pictures:

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/7855/1sharkguard.jpg
http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/7320/2wanizame.jpg
http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/3034/3kapp.jpg
http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/1590/4kappashoya.jpg
http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/2466/5coralpriestess.jpg
http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/5808/6pearlpriestess.jpg
http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/8493/7springspirit.jpg
http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/8362/8mizukami.jpg
http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/8773/9snowmaiden.jpg
http://img859.imageshack.us/img859/7256/10yukionna.jpg
http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/403/11kenshi.jpg
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/7426/12kensei.jpg
http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/636/13kirin.jpg
http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/5746/14sacredkirin.jpg

In game screens;

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/338/mmh6sanctuary01sharkgua.jpg
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/2996/mmh6sanctuary03kappaing.jpg
http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/4927/mmh6sanctuary04springsp.jpg
http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/5872/mmh6sanctuary05yukionna.jpg
I don't know why people hate the water spirits/snow maidens. They are more different than the Praetorian is to the archer yet everyone is fine with them.

I think it's another case of 'haters gonna hate'

http://slightlyodd.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/haters_gonna_hate.gif

argifontes
03-24-2011, 08:44 AM
I don't know why people hate the water spirits/snow maidens. They are more different than the Praetorian is to the archer yet everyone is fine with them. Maybe because the haven town is the most played and liked by fans, or at least thats what ubi says on his poll I personally hate it. Anyways nice post here gotta love this faction tho I usually like more the evil themed towns.

Nalafein
03-24-2011, 02:27 PM
hah, the only time i actually played haven was in Heroes 2. but after a few games i grew tiersome and i switched to them warlocks instead.

Haven is a boring faction, neither i nor my friends who play heroes play them or first pick them in our hotseat games.

New faction seems cool imo, probably nothing i will stick with but i bet a few of my freinds will.. atleast for now since them flowersniffers aint making the cut for vanilla. i for one would be back on the corpsewagoon.

a game without elfs nor dwarfs.. this would be odd indeed.

H5forem
03-25-2011, 04:59 PM
What will happen to Sanctuary? They become extinct? Since few hundred years after (H5) they are no more.


Originally posted by OmegaZoa:
Nagas too much of the asian theme to me, no racism intended.
Haven too much of the european theme to me, no racism intended.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

Nalafein
03-25-2011, 05:40 PM
hmm, all factions will ride horses right? what about certain heroes that are of the nagaspecies how can they "sit" on a horse?

dchalfont
03-25-2011, 06:58 PM
Originally posted by Nalafein:
hmm, all factions will ride horses right? what about certain heroes that are of the nagaspecies how can they "sit" on a horse?

They said there are certain heroes that move on foot, and I suppose that means that naga esque characters would move on tail etc...

There is gameplay footage of Thrall or whatever his name is walling on the adventure map with no mount. Not sure which video....but it's on youtube.

Nalafein
03-25-2011, 07:26 PM
Originally posted by dchalfont:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Nalafein:
hmm, all factions will ride horses right? what about certain heroes that are of the nagaspecies how can they "sit" on a horse?

They said there are certain heroes that move on foot, and I suppose that means that naga esque characters would move on tail etc...

There is gameplay footage of Thrall or whatever his name is walling on the adventure map with no mount. Not sure which video....but it's on youtube. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

hmm, do you have a link? cant seem to find it :/

nguyenlula
03-26-2011, 10:13 AM
hi all. i am a new comer. i like heroes of might and magic much. i have seen the pictures of sanctuary faction. in my opinion, i don't like them much. i think HOM is the game for the Middle Ages, and i like the original factions in HOM 4. i thought that Ubisoft admired the Asia culture excessively. and it has just kill the original HOM game, although i come from an Asia country.

Khanofallorcs
03-26-2011, 10:45 AM
Is it just me, or in the screenshot, the shark-man's tatoo is on the other side?(compared to the other image)
Sorry if this seems unimportant