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Feathered_IV
07-01-2007, 05:14 AM
Carn Oleg!

Low_Flyer_MkVb
07-01-2007, 05:18 AM
Very wet for the time of year of year over here, although it's recently brightened up.

The 'Mericans will be getting ready for a party on the fourth.

Yeovilton Fleet Air Arm airshow coming up.

Less than a month to Glorious Goodwood.

No news on the toy/sim aeroplane front.

United Kingdom out.

Viper2005_
07-01-2007, 05:29 AM
Don't forget the smoking ban. I'm rather looking forward to coming back from a night out without smelling of other people's cigarettes for the first time... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

ploughman
07-01-2007, 05:30 AM
Flying Legends next weekend, RIAT the week after. Current forecast for next week end, courtesy of Metcheck.com is acceptable (http://www.metcheck.com/V40/UK/FREE/7days.asp).

Hanglands
07-01-2007, 06:23 AM
Originally posted by Viper2005_:
Don't forget the smoking ban. I'm rather looking forward to coming back from a night out without smelling of other people's cigarettes for the first time... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

But other peoples cigarette smoke masks the scent of 'other women'. I'll miss it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

leitmotiv
07-01-2007, 06:40 AM
I used to be one of those f-g smokers in the pubs, and I bitterly resent my current healthy regime, and consider myself a wretched poodle faker, poltroon, and general bad sort for giving up and joining the New Age vitamin addicts, long life fetishists, and craven. Harummph. Col. Blimp

SeaFireLIV
07-01-2007, 06:51 AM
Hehe. Hmmm, July, what can I say, hopefully it`ll be less chaotic than February through to May was for me and my child.

Anyway, I`ve never smoked, but have some issues about this blanket ban. I`m always against anything that totally banns something if it`s not hurting others. As long as there were separate areas for smokers I can`t see why it must be publicly banned. What`s the penalty, btw?

Sturmtrooper
07-01-2007, 09:41 AM
Ahem (cough cough).
It is not publicly banned.Smoking is not allowed in INDOORS in restaurants,nite clubs,businesses,etc...It is up to the establishments owner if they allow smokers to "light up" in a designated area outside.

The penalty for this is a fine of $100 for the first offense,$250 for the second offense,$500 for the third,$1000 for the fourth,etc... This fine is issued to the owner of the establishment.The person smoking,if told to leave,can also be charged with tresspassing.

As for it not hurting others,have you ever heard of second-hand smoke,SeaFire?No,I'm not talking about using your left hand instead of your right. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gifSmoke from other peoples cigarettes is just as deadly as the one that someone is smoking.If you want to kill yourself with a nicotine loaded gun,go right ahead.I,however,want to go on living.And breathing.
Breathing clean air,that is.Why should I have to inhale someone elses stinky,nasty cigarette smoke?
That's like me drinking a beer and then whizzing all over someone else.Really.

People will still be allowed to smoke.Just not indoors in public places.Now this is the law where I live.It may be different somewhere else.The city and state that I live in has more smokers per capita than any other place in the nation.So I think it's a good thing.

Oh,can you tell that I don't smoke?
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Skarphol
07-01-2007, 09:44 AM
We have had this banning of smokers on public places on Norway for 3 years now, and it has been more and more popular among norwegians.
Extremely few places (if any) has been closed due to this new law. And this is in Norway where going outside to have a cigarette is a rather cold and wet experience during oktober to april.
There is noone who openly say that they miss the old days, and when I'm in restaurants abroad I allways get amazed by the amount of smoke in the air that we used to put up with.


But July... wasn't this the month Oleg promised to restart the "Friday development updates"??

Skarphol

na85
07-01-2007, 09:51 AM
Happy Birthday, Canada!

Crash_Moses
07-01-2007, 10:06 AM
As for it not hurting others,have you ever heard of second-hand smoke,SeaFire?No,I'm not talking about using your left hand instead of your right. Smoke from other peoples cigarettes is just as deadly as the one that someone is smoking.If you want to kill yourself with a nicotine loaded gun,go right ahead.I,however,want to go on living.And breathing.
Breathing clean air,that is.Why should I have to inhale someone elses stinky,nasty cigarette smoke?
That's like me drinking a beer and then whizzing all over someone else.Really.

Negatory, good buddy. Every study done has been based on someone living decades with a hardened chain smoker. A little second hand smoke ain't gonna kill ya unless you're breathing it constantly for years.

Just another example of the politically correct using bad science to tilt at windmills...

On the other hand, I don't think someone out to enjoy a meal in a public restaurant should be forced to inhale my fumes. Nor should the employees. I can wait 'till I'm outside to light up.

MaxMhz
07-01-2007, 10:18 AM
lol next step: close down all power plants and ban cars, motorbikes, airplanes - anything running on petrol or diesel etc. It's suspicious governments allways seem keen to limit their subject's rights but never ever give a good example themselves http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Dtools4fools
07-01-2007, 10:25 AM
Instead of a total ban there should be a choice for operators of bars/pubs if they wanna be a smoking place or not.

Potential customers can then choose if they want to go in the place.
Staff can choose to apply for the job or not.
You know what to expect, you know what you get, you decide.

But our modern world needs more total wars and bans, everything has to be clean, nice, neat and healty...

Who will be next? After the smokers?
Public hunt on drunkards?
Here in Switzerland politicians start to talk about making booze (even) more expensive because youngsters do drink too much...

Afterwards who will it be?
The fatties?

How about the few driving bloody cars an polluting entire cities?
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XyZspineZyX
07-01-2007, 10:25 AM
Originally posted by na85:
Happy Birthday, Canada!

O Canada!
Our home and native land!
True patriot love in all thy sons command.

With glowing hearts we see thee rise,
The True North strong and free!

From far and wide,
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.

God keep our land glorious and free!
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.

O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.

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The only reason I know it is they only sing two songs at Hockey games http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

LW_lcarp
07-01-2007, 10:29 AM
Thats the funny thing everybody freaks out with some scientific study because when they give out the information about there studies they never tell you the cuircunstances of the studies. They scream oh guns are killing people all over the place lets BAN them everywhere. So there their BANNED then somebody kills someone with a knife or a club. Hmm no bans on those but guns were the cause of all the killings.

Then they decide hey cigerettes are bad for everyone. So hey we will BAN them everywhere. Now a couple years ago in the U.S. they had this big lawsuit against all the cigerette makers. Sure now they have to payout all this money to the states involved in the lawsuit. And the states are toting that hey we will use the money to stop kids from smoking, and create smoking cessation aids for smokers. Well kids who smoke is on the rise and I still havent seen any help in quiting. But the State of Wisconsin did get a boost from selling off its portion of the settlement at absolutly no gain to the residents.

So when the government gets involved in any thing It will get all F_CKED Up.

Daiichidoku
07-01-2007, 10:35 AM
second hand smoke, by volume, is actually WORSE than what is inhaled


so when someone close by is smoking, do the healthy thing, get a smoke off him for yourself http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
07-01-2007, 10:39 AM
Actually, cigarettes ARE bad for everyone. You, me, everybody. You really can't argue that they aren't good for you

I don't smoke. Can't stand it.

You know what p*sses me off about smokers? The only thing that does?

Because they are addicted to a drug, they can have "smoke breaks" at work. It's accepted. If I go and feed my addictions at work they would call that "grounds for dismissal". But if it's smoking, oh, you can have 5 minutes off every hour or so

When they ban guns, killers still use guns to kill, because they don't mind breaking the Law. The only people gun bans affect are those who might obey the law. It's already against the law to kill people...banning guns obviously doesn't stop gun violence

Gun bans are political tools, nothing more. It's not about stopping violent crime, it's about keeping- or gaining- a job

HuninMunin
07-01-2007, 10:47 AM
The rate of second hand smokers getting cancer is about 2 % if they are around a chain smoking person ( 60 cigs ) all day on regular basis.

SeaFireLIV
07-01-2007, 10:48 AM
Originally posted by Crash_Moses:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">As for it not hurting others,have you ever heard of second-hand smoke,SeaFire?No,I'm not talking about using your left hand instead of your right. Smoke from other peoples cigarettes is just as deadly as the one that someone is smoking.If you want to kill yourself with a nicotine loaded gun,go right ahead.I,however,want to go on living.And breathing.
Breathing clean air,that is.Why should I have to inhale someone elses stinky,nasty cigarette smoke?
That's like me drinking a beer and then whizzing all over someone else.Really.

Negatory, good buddy. Every study done has been based on someone living decades with a hardened chain smoker. A little second hand smoke ain't gonna kill ya unless you're breathing it constantly for years.

Just another example of the politically correct using bad science to tilt at windmills...

On the other hand, I don't think someone out to enjoy a meal in a public restaurant should be forced to inhale my fumes. Nor should the employees. I can wait 'till I'm outside to light up. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


I would have responded earlier, but Crash_Moses has said exactly what I feel, and to some extent, know.

As he says, a little second-hand smoke won`t kill anyone. Since the `70s, `80s and `90s i`ve known friends who`ve all smoked. From the later years of secondary school when I was first offered by my friends (and refused), to work in the late `80s and still with smoking up until only very recently in the late `90s have most of my friends stopped smoking (except 2). None of them were chain smokers, just ordinary maybe a few a day smokers (at least what I saw).

Now obviously, I didn`t sit sucking up smoke up my nose continuously, but I did take second-hand smoke through those generations from those friends.

I`m 40 now, I`m fit, exercise regularly (always have done) I pracrtise karate and have no problems breathing at all.

I`ve seen adverts lately showing second smoking like some kinda deadly black gas of which 80% is sucked up by the non-smoker. This can`t be true in normal cases or I would be dead by now.

Like Crash_Moses says, the government must be picking the worse case scenarios and represnting them for the standard non-chain smoker, cos in my experience, second-hand smoke is NOT as deadly as they make out.

It`s puzzled me a lot why second hand smoke has been treated as such an incredible danger to people, this especially by the government...

PC lobbyists, forcing half-truths dfown our neck and somehow convincing the Government to believe. I do see evidence of the tiniest minority forcing the government`s hand while the majority just suck it up. Contented (or perhaps jaded, dispirited) people don`t complain, but unhappy people, even a microscopic amount can moan like Million people it seems. I think the government may have been pushed a skewed view of things.

And remember, I`m NOT a smoker, just saying it like how i`ve seen it. The danger in my view is in actually SMOKING the cigarette, the second hand smoke is less dangerous as long as you don`t sit in a small box sucking 20 people`s smoke in.

It`s common sense really.

slipBall
07-01-2007, 10:57 AM
I hate to drift off topic but, July is here!...something, anything, no matter how small Oleg http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

leitmotiv
07-01-2007, 11:23 AM
Carry on, CM. As on of my old WWII vet profs used to say, "Never trust a man who doesn't smoke!"

asheshouse
07-01-2007, 11:51 AM
Our local heritage railway has banned drivers on steam locos from smoking on the footplate!!!
Where is the logic in that?

PS I generally support the ban but that is just crazy.