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jamesdietz
07-11-2006, 10:00 AM
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d116/jamesdietz/GlosterF.jpg
<span class="ev_code_RED">The most heavily armed fighter of 1940...can you guess?</span>

JG301_nils
07-11-2006, 10:17 AM
Yup, the Gloster F9/37, the design competitor to the Whirlwind, actually also the first plane to introduce "Schr├┬Ąge musik" did you know that?
It carried 5 x 20mm cannons, 2 firing forward and 3 firing upwards/forward in a shallow angle behind and above the cockpit. The single seat version was designed with 4x20mm and 8x.303cal!!
Top speed of 330mph.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v136/paul1/GlosterF93720mmcannonarrangment.jpg

leitmotiv
07-11-2006, 10:33 AM
Fascinating. I have it on firm authority from Wikipedia that the Estonians built 75,000 of them in 1938.

HotelBushranger
07-11-2006, 11:18 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Enforcer572005
07-11-2006, 11:53 AM
Cool . I wonder why the whirlwind was the winner.....and I wonder what engines this machine used. Dunno about the angled guns idea, but seems pretty advanced for its time.

Wickepedia says it's because Thor ordered the ministry of defense to choose the whirlwind.

F19_Olli72
07-11-2006, 12:22 PM
Originally posted by JG301_nils:
Yup, the Gloster F9/37, the design competitor to the Whirlwind, actually also the first plane to introduce "Schr├┬Ąge musik" did you know that?


I assume you mean; the first WW2 plane (or rather the last pre-WW2 plane) to introduce "Schr├┬Ąge musik"?

For example Vickers 161 (F.29/27) had a 37 mm C.O.W (Coventry Ordnance Works) cannon aiming between 45 - 55 degrees upwards (and what a beauty it is http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif).
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/8217/fgun/vick161-b.jpg

Also different types of upwards firing armament was tried and used during WW1, such as this Lewis gun on a Nieuport:
http://members.chello.nl/~a.vankan/Nieuport17_lewis_in_upward_position.jpg

ARCHIE_CALVERT
07-11-2006, 12:48 PM
Thats the 2nd Prototype sporting a couple of Rolls-Royce Peregrines... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif The engine that was the downfall of the Whirlwind... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

DuxCorvan
07-11-2006, 01:44 PM
Originally posted by Enforcer572005:
Cool . I wonder why the whirlwind was the winner.

It's all about the looks. Ugly guys are unlucky.

JG301_nils
07-11-2006, 02:00 PM
Olli, you're absolutely right, forgot about them WW1 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

WB_Outlaw
07-11-2006, 02:07 PM
Originally posted by F19_Olli72:
Also different types of upwards firing armament was tried and used during WW1, such as this Lewis gun on a Nieuport:
http://members.chello.nl/~a.vankan/Nieuport17_lewis_in_upward_position.jpg

Wasn't the upper gun just tilted back to facilitate magazine changes? It was never intended that it be fired in this position was it???

--Outlaw.

berg417448
07-11-2006, 02:14 PM
It was fired in that position. Albert Ball used the technique of getting below and behind enemy planes, then firing his Lewis gun upward, into the enemy plane.

http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/8217/fgun/fgun-uf.html

Daiichidoku
07-11-2006, 02:41 PM
"no allowance sighting"

http://users.skynet.be/Emmanuel.Gustin/history/NoAllowance.html