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XyZspineZyX
08-29-2003, 04:20 AM
I just got it. When I opened the box there was no manual. I have been trying to set this thing up but fell now I feel like throwing it out the window. Did I just get robbed or what?

XyZspineZyX
08-29-2003, 04:20 AM
I just got it. When I opened the box there was no manual. I have been trying to set this thing up but fell now I feel like throwing it out the window. Did I just get robbed or what?

XyZspineZyX
08-29-2003, 04:56 AM
NO MANUAL!!!!! Yeah, you got robbed. However dont feel bad. I just got one myself. THe manual is not very helpfull anyhow. All I can tell you is play a lot. And that 2X you see on the first screen, turn it off. It will make your cursor a lot slower and controlable. I come to the conclusion that I dont care for it a lot. I use it too little. It also "hangs" at the worst moments. HELP! We been ripped......

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XyZspineZyX
08-29-2003, 04:57 AM
Read this!

http://forums.naturalpoint.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=8;t=000029

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XyZspineZyX
08-29-2003, 05:12 AM
If you feel that way you did. Personally screw the manual and the CD. Jump on their website @ www.naturalpoint.com (http://www.naturalpoint.com)

Go to trackIR GX download the latest drivers, then download the PDF. No biggie.

As far as set up:

DO NOT PLUG IN TRACK IR. If you have...UNPLUG IT.

Then you have to check your device manager for UNKNOWN USB device and delete it.

Now go get the drivers and follow the instructions in the README.

If you are using WIN XP and you follow the directions correctly then you will see it recognize the device twice and load the driver twice. That is cool.

Now connect TrackIR. Slap a couple of reflective dot on your mic boom or hat brim or forehead. Set the unit close to the dots. Fire up the Natural Point soft ware. Go to the motion screen. Choose Enhanced Mode at the top and it is personal preference but I like PROGRESSIVE from the MOTION PRESETS DROPDOWN.

Last thing: on the HOT KEYS tab go see what the "CENTER" key is and then CHANGE it to a handy key that you do not have bound to a command in Forgotton Battles.

Minimize the Natural Point Software and fire up Forgotton Battles.

Load a mission and when you "land" in the cockpit or your default view then hit the center key and you are good to go.

One tip. You do not need to pivot your head to look side to side. Just lean left or right so your head is still straight at the monitor.

Have fun.



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michapma
08-29-2003, 08:08 AM
I used to think that the two most important external devices in addition to keyboard and mouse for FB were a joystick and rudder pedals. Now I strongly feel that TrackIR is more useful than rudder pedals. The only exception is if you are extremely adept at using some other kind of panning system. Be patient and work through any technical issues you have, TrackIR is an extremely valuable piece of hardware.

Chin up mate,
Mike

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Manifold Pressure sucks (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182081-1.html)
Those Marvelous Props (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182082-1.html)
Mixture Magic (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182084-1.html)
Putting It All Together (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182085-1.html)
Those Fire-Breathing Turbos (Part 1 of 6) (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182102-1.html)</td><td align="center">

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Flight Simulation Performance Analyzed (http://www.simhq.com/_air/air_062a.html)
Building a home-made throttle quadrant step by step (http://forums.ubi.com/messages/message_view-topic.asp?name=us_il2sturmovik_gd&id=zkavv)
Sound Can Be Hazardous for Games (http://www6.tomshardware.com/game/20030405/index.html)</td></tr></table>

XyZspineZyX
08-29-2003, 09:03 AM
No..... you didn't get screwed. But I understand the frustration.

When you do have it set up you will look back and think nothing of this adjusting period.

It really is that good of a device. (It's funny tho. I'm so used to using it that when I hear about other flyers needing to map a button for view panning I have to think how lucky I am to have one...... It is now second nature)

Imagine doing BnZ tactics in your Folke Wolfe.... or Me 109 and just tilting your head to see where the poor SOB is.
Muaahh hah hahahahahhaaaaaa! I have you now Ivan!

It really is THAT good. NOTHING HAS ELEVATED THE REALISM OF FLIGHT SIMMING AS MUCH AS TRACK IR! Heck it even works great in MS FS ACOF.

Be patient. A few hours isnt much time.

XyZspineZyX
08-29-2003, 09:04 AM
go use the manuel in the instalation... i got my tir today im getting better slowly and expect to be competint in 2-4 days quit whining just cause its not to the precise expierience that you expect i forgot as i wrote this but it sems a typical 15 yr old noob question just work through it if you have the patiance in stead of bi*ching ask for a little help... we will try

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michapma
08-29-2003, 11:34 AM
I got my TrackIR back in February, not long before FB came out. It was a real frustration in IL-2, partly because I was not experienced with getting the dot to track, and partly because there may have been another problem getting the device or software to work properly with the system. However, another huge factor was just learning to hold my head still. I tried to train myself but got bothered and would put it aside for weeks and then come back to it, especially because I just felt sure it could be really useful.

All that aside, the real revolution came with FB and the special tracking mode. The dead band allows me to hold the sight dead steady, and I can simply glance around. It's really, incredibly awesome. It really is the biggest step forward in immersion for me since IL-2 itself.

Mike

<table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="10"><tr valign="middle" bgcolor="#3e463b"><td height="40" colspan="3" align="center">The ongoing IL-2 User's Guide project (http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~chapman/il2guide/)</a></td></tr><tr bgcolor="#515e2f"><td width="40%">FB engine management:
Manifold Pressure sucks (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182081-1.html)
Those Marvelous Props (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182082-1.html)
Mixture Magic (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182084-1.html)
Putting It All Together (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182085-1.html)
Those Fire-Breathing Turbos (Part 1 of 6) (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182102-1.html)</td><td align="center">

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69.GIAP (http://www.baseclass.modulweb.dk/giap/)</p></td><td width="40%" align="right" valign="top">Hardware:
Flight Simulation Performance Analyzed (http://www.simhq.com/_air/air_062a.html)
Building a home-made throttle quadrant step by step (http://forums.ubi.com/messages/message_view-topic.asp?name=us_il2sturmovik_gd&id=zkavv)
Sound Can Be Hazardous for Games (http://www6.tomshardware.com/game/20030405/index.html)</td></tr></table>

XyZspineZyX
08-29-2003, 02:16 PM
I agree with all the positive testimony already stated.

For me, unchecking the box that has "Static Filter" and whatever one is right next to it (can't remember, not at home to check) helped with tracking big time. Also, on that same page, move the x,y sliders up until the box around the dot on screen is green.

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XyZspineZyX
08-29-2003, 02:46 PM
Just picked up the hat - tracking is nice with the hat http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Don't give up on TrackIr - takes a bit of fiddling, once you are comfortable, you'll never look back

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michapma
08-29-2003, 02:48 PM
That's not true Recon, with some of the recent drivers you can look straight back. /i/smilies/16x16_robot-very-happy.gif

<table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="10"><tr valign="middle" bgcolor="#3e463b"><td height="40" colspan="3" align="center">The ongoing IL-2 User's Guide project (http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~chapman/il2guide/)</a></td></tr><tr bgcolor="#515e2f"><td width="40%">FB engine management:
Manifold Pressure sucks (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182081-1.html)
Those Marvelous Props (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182082-1.html)
Mixture Magic (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182084-1.html)
Putting It All Together (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182085-1.html)
Those Fire-Breathing Turbos (Part 1 of 6) (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182102-1.html)</td><td align="center">

‚ =69.GIAP=Chap‚

69.GIAP (http://www.baseclass.modulweb.dk/giap/)</p></td><td width="40%" align="right" valign="top">Hardware:
Flight Simulation Performance Analyzed (http://www.simhq.com/_air/air_062a.html)
Building a home-made throttle quadrant step by step (http://forums.ubi.com/messages/message_view-topic.asp?name=us_il2sturmovik_gd&id=zkavv)
Sound Can Be Hazardous for Games (http://www6.tomshardware.com/game/20030405/index.html)</td></tr></table>

XyZspineZyX
08-29-2003, 03:05 PM
TIR is so good and such an advantage that I hesitate to give advice on it so there will be less users online that can see me as well as I them. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

So just toss it, don't bother trying to figure out it's a waste of your time.

Also, since you obviously came here just to vent and not actually try and figure anything out I don't think I'll bother with any other advice other than to say RTFM. And you don't need the printed manual, just use the one on your CD or on the website.

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XyZspineZyX
08-29-2003, 03:13 PM
You got robbed! How could you fall for such a qizmo? I would sell it ASAP. BTW, there are plenty of guys in my squadron that will pay you well to take if off your hands. Using a mouse or the all immersive sticky hat switch is way more realistic and fluid than the reflective dot.

XyZspineZyX
08-29-2003, 04:58 PM
send it to me, check your PM

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XyZspineZyX
08-29-2003, 11:52 PM
Thanks, thats some funny stuff.

Vent was my main goal but I was also hopping to see what some of you gents would say about its worth to your sim life. I can now see that learning how to use this will be worth it. Thanks for all the positve feedback!

XyZspineZyX
08-30-2003, 12:33 AM
Ah crap.

Well, good luck with it anyways. Once you get over the initial learning curve you will be more than greatfull for it and never, ever play again without it.

Just take your time setting up the full "throw" of tracking on your tracking screen by adding a boom to say, a baseball cap. Bringing the dot closer to the receiver will give you added precision and better overall experience since you won't need to use the software to exaggerate smaller movements by increasing speed.

Eventually you will lower your "smoothness" setting to get a more instantaneous response to movement since you don't need to see while your head is moving but rather when it's NOT moving after getting to where you want to look.

have fun, dammit!



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