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SnapdLikeAMutha
02-26-2006, 09:00 AM
I can't believe this still hasn't been fixed in the latest patch! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif .303 should do much more damage, be sure.

Here are some .303 rounds (can't you feel their mighty energy just by looking at them?)
http://www.islandnet.com/~ragnew/mike_gun/images/303.jpg

and here is a picture of the world:

http://perso.ens-lyon.fr/florent.bouchez/discworld/images/a-tuin-the-turtle.gif

you can clearly see that all it would take would be for just ONE round to miss the earth or richochet off the turtle's back and hit one of the elephants in the solar plexus, and the whole world would end

WHY IS THIS NOT MODELLED!?!?!?! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

CD_kp84yb
02-26-2006, 09:04 AM
Hey

The .303 is not underpowered, but you are using exercise rounds.
Thats the problem, now get the real ones . http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

_VR_ScorpionWorm
02-26-2006, 09:04 AM
Wasn't this discussion already.... discussed a long while back?

Vipez-
02-26-2006, 09:17 AM
Originally posted by CD_kp84yb:
Hey

The .303 is not underpowered, but you are using exercise rounds.
Thats the problem, now get the real ones . http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Exercise rounds have wooden heads, right ? But imagine the death and destruction if they were made of Delta Wood.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blush.gif

LStarosta
02-26-2006, 09:19 AM
Originally posted by Vipez-:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CD_kp84yb:
Hey

The .303 is not underpowered, but you are using exercise rounds.
Thats the problem, now get the real ones . http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Exercise rounds have wooden heads, right ? But imagine the death and destruction if they were made of Delta Wood.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blush.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, they've been drilled out, with charges and primers removed.

Philipscdrw
02-26-2006, 10:12 AM
Tell you what... while the Range Control Officer isn't looking, why don't you go downrange and try to catch them with your teeth as I fire them to you? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

CD_kp84yb
02-26-2006, 10:22 AM
LOL

you will surely catch them with your teeth, depends on how good the gunner is. But im afraid you dont need a dentist after that.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

jimDG
02-26-2006, 11:44 AM
you can clearly see the dents from the .303 strikes on the turtle's armor - and they failed to penetrate! I think the turtle's DM is overmodeled.

Skycat_2
02-26-2006, 12:22 PM
Turtles have been surviving hurricanes for millions of years.

It's not a bug, it's a feature.

F19_Ob
02-26-2006, 12:36 PM
It may look as the guns are weak because they doesnt affect the same hitboxes on the planes in enough value to make damage show on the skin, like is easily done with cannons wich produce higher damage values with one hit.
The strength in the 303 ammo is it's spray wich often causes pilot kill online.

The problem is however that u must hit in the first place and no enemy online will stay still while someone is shooting.
This will result in few hits and thousands of bullets may hit just air.

A few hits with 303 wont result in anything unles hit pilot or any othe vital spot like engine or controls.

When flying Macchi200 online I quite often get pilotkilled by hurricanes attacking me in a furball while I'm occupied.

danjama
02-26-2006, 12:40 PM
i just said lastnight 303's suck

gx-warspite
02-26-2006, 01:56 PM
No, not undermodelled, 303s are underpowered.

This is why they were increasingly withdrawn from use, even during the early war.

Stackhouse25th
02-26-2006, 01:57 PM
nice deactivated 303s....stripper clips are worth more than yur ammo

zugfuhrer
02-26-2006, 02:55 PM
Ive done some tests shooting at some german planes from the reargunner pos of SBD. I think that it got two .303 MG. They where quite lethal. Look at my damagetest posted today.

RedDeth
02-26-2006, 02:59 PM
in real life the brits had major problems with the 303 round. it is an infantry rifle round. being fired at large planes.

you have to set the convergence in game at 100 meters to 125 max.

and fire full fricking auto once they fill up your windscreen. thats how the brits used it in ww2. fire at point blank non stop.

itll shred planes but you have to factor in the weapons limitations or youll just be peesink in tha wind. quite literally with that ammo

Platypus_1.JaVA
02-26-2006, 03:26 PM
Originally posted by SnapdLikeAMutha:
I can't believe this still hasn't been fixed in the latest patch! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif .303 should do much more damage, be sure.

Here are some .303 rounds (can't you feel their mighty energy just by looking at them?)
http://www.islandnet.com/~ragnew/mike_gun/images/303.jpg (http://www.islandnet.com/%7Eragnew/mike_gun/images/303.jpg%5B/IMG%5D)

and here is a picture of the world:

http://perso.ens-lyon.fr/florent.bouchez/discworld/imag...the-turtle.gif (http://perso.ens-lyon.fr/florent.bouchez/discworld/images/a-tuin-the-turtle.gif%5B/IMG%5D)

you can clearly see that all it would take would be for just ONE round to miss the earth or richochet off the turtle's back and hit one of the elephants in the solar plexus, and the whole world would end

WHY IS THIS NOT MODELLED!?!?!?! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Well, I'm pretty sure that bullets shouldn't have holes in them. You are just using the wrong ones mate. And please do away that horrible picture of the Discworld or I'll tell the Librarian that you stole his banana's http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

Low_Flyer_MkVb
02-26-2006, 03:26 PM
Something that might be of interest...

http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/BoB.htm

Siwarrior
02-26-2006, 08:51 PM
Originally posted by danjama:
i just said lastnight 303's suck

mmmmmmm im sure http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Enforcer572005
02-26-2006, 10:14 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gifthats why .30 cal was abandoned as nearly useless. the only reason the SBD still had 2 of them is because mounting a .50 back there wasnt practical (wouldnt fit). it was a 30-06, not a .303, but .30 cal is .30 cal.and the browning guns were identical other than the ammo being used.

it could be worse-you could be flying a Ki-27 with its 2 7.7mm guns, which were the same cal as .303 and very close in performance.

Siwarrior
02-26-2006, 11:32 PM
actually i find the ki-43 which has two 7.7mm guns quite proficeint in downing most fighters if you lure them into a close turing fight

RedDeth
02-27-2006, 02:32 AM
30-06 is a much more powerful round than the 303 ive always thought.

Kocur_
02-27-2006, 08:39 AM
Originally posted by RedDeth:
30-06 is a much more powerful round than the 303 ive always thought.

Well it is bit more powerful, as 7,62 x 63mm Springfield (metric for .30-06) has muzzle energy for M2 AP projectile 3685J, while 7,69 x 56R with Mk.I AP - 3127J. Not that it would make noticeable difference while shooting at planes...

Kocur_
02-27-2006, 09:29 AM
Oh, btw Williams&Gustin say, that .303 Brownings were "notably inaccurate weapons, spreading their fire over a 1 m circle at 100 m (although 75 per cent of the bullets were within a 0,5m circle)".

Genie-
02-27-2006, 10:36 AM
got track?

I do.

Two passes with Hurry B and two Ju88 down.

So.. get close.. pick a spot.. stay on it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

link to track:
http://rapidshare.de/files/14279617/404_hurr_vs_2_ju88.trk.html

zugfuhrer
02-27-2006, 12:11 PM
The .303 is as powerful as the german counterpart the 7.92 mm MG according to damage of the hitting round.
I dont know which MG that could spit out the most lead per second, but the hit equal hard, if that is a relief