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XyZspineZyX
06-21-2003, 02:29 PM
After a few folks have asked, here's a download of the 2.01B (Beta) version of the Naturalpoint drivers before NaturalPoint wrongfully decided to fix a FOV bug that they arbitrarily determined was a cheat for FB.

Also included is my profile for FB if you want it.

Software:
Link removed by Vengeanze


PM Dex if you want it since Dex does not believe this is a cheat whatsoever and stands in opposition to Naturalpoint interpreting what Oleg "meant" to do.



Profile: ***Will only work with above drivers***
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Message Edited on 06/22/03‚ 12:46AM by Vengeanze

Message Edited on 06/21/03‚ 04:29PM by Dexmeister

Message Edited on 06/21/0304:34PM by Dexmeister

XyZspineZyX
06-21-2003, 02:29 PM
After a few folks have asked, here's a download of the 2.01B (Beta) version of the Naturalpoint drivers before NaturalPoint wrongfully decided to fix a FOV bug that they arbitrarily determined was a cheat for FB.

Also included is my profile for FB if you want it.

Software:
Link removed by Vengeanze


PM Dex if you want it since Dex does not believe this is a cheat whatsoever and stands in opposition to Naturalpoint interpreting what Oleg "meant" to do.



Profile: ***Will only work with above drivers***
http://www.1stclassproperties.ca/mr/newstuff/IL2_FB2.zip




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Message Edited on 06/22/03‚ 12:46AM by Vengeanze

Message Edited on 06/21/03‚ 04:29PM by Dexmeister

Message Edited on 06/21/0304:34PM by Dexmeister

XyZspineZyX
06-21-2003, 04:19 PM
Why was it considered a cheat?


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XyZspineZyX
06-21-2003, 04:27 PM
It goes beyond what mouse look gives. You can look straight back to check your six.

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XyZspineZyX
06-21-2003, 04:32 PM
rgr.. then I wont bother to use it, I bought TrackIR for Realistic flying :-)

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XyZspineZyX
06-21-2003, 04:47 PM
Who's to say a pilot couldn't twist around to look behind him? I can do it in my car. Probably not possible in some planes, but in some it might have been.

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XyZspineZyX
06-21-2003, 05:06 PM
You can't in a car with 4 point harnesses like planes (and racecars) have...

In fact, in my favorite (FW190) and many others, you can't hardly move at all... All of these planes were more like a race car than your street car... Not much mobility at all...

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XyZspineZyX
06-21-2003, 05:12 PM
F19_Orheim wrote:
- rgr.. then I wont bother to use it, I bought TrackIR
- for Realistic flying :-)

realistic huh?
i dont think the real pilots could put their plane on pause and go get a beer from the fridge either /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-21-2003, 05:14 PM
Spinnetti

Depends on how tight you keep the harness../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-21-2003, 05:16 PM
Just a word of warning about the beta version; I had problems with it thinking it couldn't find one of the files it needed, after it had been installed for a few days and not touched. This was under WinXP Pro, and the problem doesn't exist with the 2.01 final drivers...



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XyZspineZyX
06-21-2003, 05:47 PM
not sure if I understand this correctly but if you use TrackIR to give you views you can't get without it and that the average user cannot see.. then that's a cheat to me.

XyZspineZyX
06-21-2003, 06:47 PM
"Who's to say a pilot couldn't twist around to look behind him? I can do it in my car. Probably not possible in some planes, but in some it might have been.
Da Buzz "

Could you send me a picture where you turn you head so that you can look staight back,while keeping the shoulders in straight line.I think we can get you to Ripleys hall of wonders http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-21-2003, 06:52 PM
Just another nail in the coffin for TrackIR.

Time to start calling it "cheatIR".

Glad I never touch the stuff.

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XyZspineZyX
06-21-2003, 06:53 PM
Mods, please lock and delete this thread. Natural Point pulled those drivers for a reason.

Dexmeister needs to take a time-out.

XyZspineZyX
06-21-2003, 06:59 PM
Edited by Vengeanze.


RBJ, this is an OLD driver that Natural Point fixed long long ago. Dexmeister is begging for trouble by warezing this stuff.

And as for the morons who think they were blessed with the necks of owls... i'm not even going to bother.


Message Edited on 06/21/03‚ 03:48PM by IV_JG51_Theo

Message Edited on 06/22/0312:43AM by Vengeanze

XyZspineZyX
06-21-2003, 07:01 PM
RayBanJockey wrote:
- Just another nail in the coffin for TrackIR.
-
- Time to start calling it "cheatIR".
-
- Glad I never touch the stuff.
-
-

You don't touch something that helps you see better, but you DO use the wonder woman view and cheat with trim. You have no moral high ground to stand upon, buddy.


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XyZspineZyX
06-21-2003, 07:13 PM
IV_JG51_Theo wrote:
- Mods, please lock and delete this thread. Natural
- Point pulled those drivers for a reason.
-
- Dexmeister needs to take a time-out.
-
-

The old driver posted here was withdrawn by Naturalpoint a few days after release.
They realised their mistake, and posted drivers that mimic exactly the limits of mouseview in il-2/fb!

But it impossible to withdraw anything on the internet, after you hit send. So this 'cheat' will be available until it is fixed - by fixing the game engine itself so it is never sending pictures that it shouldn't!

There is therefore a reason to ensure that cheating drivers etc are exposed to the community and made available. Then there can be groundswell of opinion so strong against the cheat that the developer is obliged to react.

If the cheat was hidden then the few that exploit this cheat secretly would never be stopped. Sure you want to see cheats fixed?

XyZspineZyX
06-21-2003, 07:17 PM
Sure, let's get the cheats fixed.

Everyone who's been using TrackIR since before the last driver update (March 2003) knew about this. The "groundswell" reaction was that it's a damn cheat /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Now Dexmeister is warezing old drivers on some server in Canada and announcing it for everyone on the Ubi forums to see.

The temporary solution is to shut down Dexmeister and contact Natural Point.

A better solution might be to enable PunkBuster-like functionality to FB or to the TrackIR drivers.

XyZspineZyX
06-21-2003, 07:50 PM
Two words: RBJ shift.

I dont use the old software because of the witchcraft mentality.

However, considering how many times i've seen a 500 kmh La out-loop an I-153, I'm seriously considering installing this software.

Some advantages or ok, while others are not. Go figure.

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XyZspineZyX
06-21-2003, 08:28 PM
A trackIR gift from Dexmeister?

I would like to see how he uses track IR with multiple monitors LOL

It would be like seeing that dead white blood cell in your vision and trying to look at it but is just keeps moving.

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XyZspineZyX
06-21-2003, 08:37 PM
RayBanJockey wrote:
- It would be like seeing that dead white blood cell
- in your vision and trying to look at it but is just
- keeps moving.


What "dead white blood cell" is that RBJ?

Please explain, you're not making much sense to me at this point.

I like TrackIR, it's good.

What's the problem?

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XyZspineZyX
06-21-2003, 09:23 PM
Dex touts multiple monitors then uses track IR!

That means if you look to the right monitor to look right you will just keep turning right for infinity! LOL (smileyhappyface.gif) Sorry you can't mix pickles and ice cream! Better get a chair that can rotate 360 degrees and prepare to get dizzy! Somebody stop me I can't stop ending my sentences with exclamations!

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XyZspineZyX
06-21-2003, 09:28 PM
Ray,

You complaining about cheating is comical. Besides, your an ace who gets 1000 points in 10 minutes. Why are you worried what anybody else does?

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XyZspineZyX
06-21-2003, 09:43 PM
If you move your head to the right, the view doesn't keep moving forever. It turns until it reaches the limit, then stops.

The old version of TrackIR would let you turn until dead 6 was right in the center of your monitor. The new driver limits panning to exactly what everybody else can see using the mouse or hat views.

XyZspineZyX
06-21-2003, 09:51 PM
IV_JG51_Theo wrote:
- The old version of TrackIR would let you turn until
- dead 6 was right in the center of your monitor.


For something that is just supposed to emulate the mouse, sounds like we need to call the cheat patrol. If it is hardware that can surpass the viewer limitations imposed on the game then I don't care if they fixed it (their driver) or not, it's still cheatIR. Just that fact that this software can make the game do things that would otherwise be impossible, normally, means that this stuff is the next big problem with this game.

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XyZspineZyX
06-21-2003, 10:15 PM
Dexmeister

Don't let them bother you. I'm still using the old drivers, but then I don't play online. Oleg and TrackIR will solve this issue one way or another, probably in the patch. No point in having a cow. Some people take this game way way too seriously.

Oudy

XyZspineZyX
06-21-2003, 10:38 PM
And now they have used TrackIR hacks to make the forum hot link to their site. Geesh this is gettting pathetic.

Yea go blow alot of money on them! Do what they and alot of people who can't tell the difference between vsync on or off say!

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XyZspineZyX
06-22-2003, 12:09 AM
Yeah, groundswell, that's it. Get a clue, the poll run by naturalpoint is 75% in favor, next release will have it as standard equipment again./i/smilies/16x16_robot-wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
06-22-2003, 12:33 AM
Until Oleg fixes it I consider things to be working as they should. NaturalPoint fixed it after one !@#$en dickwad made a horses *** out of himself over it.

I was sharing because some people were asking me for my profile and the profile I have to share causes people's PCs to hang if they don't use the software to go with it. I put it up for upload.

As for the rest of you whining about it being unrealistic or a cheat, you can bend over and b___ me.

Sorry for sharing.



By the way, for those ignoramuses unaware, the cheat was invoked if you swung your head in between your legs. I don't fly like that though some of you seem to keep your heads there most of the time.



Message Edited on 06/21/0304:38PM by Dexmeister

XyZspineZyX
06-22-2003, 12:40 AM
Dexmeister wrote:
- I don't fly like that though some of you seem
- to keep your heads there most of the time.

LOL!! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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06-22-2003, 12:47 AM
COOL. Drama....

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XyZspineZyX
06-22-2003, 12:58 AM
IV_JG51_Theo wrote:
- RBJ, this is an OLD driver that Natural Point fixed
- long long ago. Dexmeister is begging for trouble by
- warezing this stuff.


Naturalpoint "fixed" it, eh? Then why are they surveying people to double-check and see if they didn't perhaps make a mistake?

As for me warezing it, quite to the contrary. I was trying to share something with fellow simmers in this community. Do you think I'd flaunt something I thought was cheat?



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XyZspineZyX
06-22-2003, 01:06 AM
To my knowledge warezing include abuse of copyright which isn't the case here.

XyZspineZyX
06-22-2003, 01:22 AM
you buy track ir it comes with the disk with the 360 drivers im sure everyone who uses it keeps the old drivers

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XyZspineZyX
06-22-2003, 01:27 AM
Dexmeister wrote:
-
- IV_JG51_Theo wrote:
-- RBJ, this is an OLD driver that Natural Point fixed
-- long long ago. Dexmeister is begging for trouble by
-- warezing this stuff.
-
-
- Naturalpoint "fixed" it, eh? Then why are they
- surveying people to double-check and see if they
- didn't perhaps make a mistake?
-
- As for me warezing it, quite to the contrary. I was
- trying to share something with fellow simmers in
- this community. Do you think I'd flaunt something I
- thought was cheat?


***COUGH***

Oh the drama...

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P.S. Old news, I started a thread about this cheat like 2 months ago...and yes, of course people are going to use it...

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XyZspineZyX
06-22-2003, 01:40 AM
Of all people to be screaming over this. Ray should be the very last one. Yet, he's the first one. Something is weird here.

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XyZspineZyX
06-22-2003, 02:34 AM
BuzzU wrote:
- Of all people to be screaming over this. Ray should
- be the very last one. Yet, he's the first one.
- Something is weird here.

I think he's just poking fun at the "full real" guys, who slammed him for flying in "Wonder Woman" view, but were hypocritically using "CheatIR" to exploit the "Linda Blair" cheat the whole time. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-22-2003, 04:28 AM
Here comes the RBJ "king of hypocrisy"...so you support the trim on a slider cheat, the low resolution wonder woman no cockpit view.... and you faint in horror because you cant buy or you dont have a clue about how to use it ( like your "how do I connect 3 monitors to my pc" question..)( or dont want to buy...whichever comes first) Track IR?...kiddo, you are more confused than a ballerina in a rage against the machine concert, stop talking about things that are beyond your comprehension.


Now Guys please continue, this driver issue sounds interesting....



RayBanJockey wrote:

- For something that is just supposed to emulate the
- mouse, sounds like we need to call the cheat patrol.
- If it is hardware that can surpass the viewer
- limitations imposed on the game then I don't care if
- they fixed it (their driver) or not, it's still
- cheatIR. Just that fact that this software can make
- the game do things that would otherwise be
- impossible, normally, means that this stuff is the
- next big problem with this game.
-


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XyZspineZyX
06-22-2003, 05:58 AM
I don't get it, whats the point? I can see straight behind me [a little more actually] by only turning my head! So why is that cheating?

EDIT:Spelling



Message Edited on 06/22/0304:58AM by VOL_Jon

XyZspineZyX
06-22-2003, 06:06 AM
"You can't in a car with 4 point harnesses like planes (and racecars) have..."

You want a quote from Robert Shaw about how you could turn around and look?



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XyZspineZyX
06-22-2003, 06:16 AM
Hey RBJ, the one who hacked the thread to jump to NaturalPoint's website was Theo, as a way to keep people from viewing the thread. Remember, he is against the beta software, just like you.

Just a little heads-up, since you didn't seem to know what was happening there.

XyZspineZyX
06-22-2003, 07:14 AM
RayBanJockey wrote:
- And now they have used TrackIR hacks to make the
- forum hot link to their site. Geesh this is
- gettting pathetic.
-
- Yea go blow alot of money on them! Do what they and
- alot of people who can't tell the difference between
- vsync on or off say!
-
-

You are a Monkey with 5 relies... go buy a new line you boring chimp.


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XyZspineZyX
06-22-2003, 07:16 AM
Dex...Please post link at Netwings...MANY more will read/want/use than will EVER see it buried here /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif PLus no RBJ issues /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-22-2003, 04:34 PM
The lack of peripheral vision in a flight sim completely kills any realism in regards to your FOV anyway, so I really don't see what the big deal about "realism vs. cheating" is anyway. I just sat here in my chair and rotated my head and eyes all around (like a ******ed monkey) and could see straight backwards and more than 180-degrees straight up. So if the issue is about unrealistic views, then even the standard FOV angle capabilities should be increased to reflect the fact that you get no peripheral vision in the game. If the issue is with someone getting advantages because they forked out a couple hundred bucks for cool equipment, then please throw away your joystick, large screen monitor, Radeon 9700, etc. before complaining any more. There are a million ways to gain an advantage in this (or any other) game, and each and every one of you complainers out there is using everything you've got to get the best advantage you can already.
I don't even *have* a TrackIR and I can see how absolutely pointless this whining is about.

XyZspineZyX
06-22-2003, 05:36 PM
I, for one, appreciate the effort Dex. (I got them right after you posted...hehe). Being a late arrival in receiving my TrackIR, I would like to see what all the fuss was about. Thanks to Dex, I can. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif



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XyZspineZyX
06-22-2003, 06:02 PM
Don't you just know Ray will get TrackIR at some point? Then he'll be on here telling us the 180 view is the greatest thing since the slider.

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XyZspineZyX
06-22-2003, 07:33 PM
What I don't get is why the fuss. No one complians when you get a bigger monitor, better joystick, faster computer, So what if you get a better mouse. All things inhance the game in some way or another. Even exploit it at times. The thing is if you try TIR and have enough patience about 1/2 you will begin to wish that all games supported it. I here Ghost recon is planning to patch up for it. so you can turn your head to look around instead of your entire boddy in the game. Oh and I just reinstalled CFS2 so I could play with a carrier some and with out TIR i feel like I've got whiplash and a brace on. LOL

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