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Airmail109
12-03-2006, 06:27 AM
what do i do? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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12-03-2006, 06:32 AM
Drop the tank and empty it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">





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12-03-2006, 06:34 AM
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12-03-2006, 06:35 AM
Its your best bet, unless you want to ruin the motor.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">





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Viper2005_
12-03-2006, 06:38 AM
Could be worse - putting diesel fuel into a petrol engined car can damage the engine. Chances are that putting petrol into a diesel will simply make it reluctant to start from cold.

Ideally you should call out a suitably qualified mechanic in order to minimise any potential risk of damage.

However, anecdotal experience suggests that it'll simply be reluctant to run smoothly until it's warmed up, and as you progressively top it up with diesel fuel it'll get better. The lower the grade of petrol, the less of a problem it will be.

But, call out a mechanic just in case. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

You might want to put a sticker next to the refuelling point stating the grade of fuel to be used in order to prevent this sort of thing from happening again...

Inadaze
12-03-2006, 06:43 AM
AA or RAC might help if you have cover.

Chuck_Older
12-03-2006, 06:44 AM
Aimail-

I don't know what kind of car it is, or what year it is, you may be better off taking it to a mechanic. It may require more than just removing the fuel, for all I know, but getting the gas out is actually kind of easy. I've dropped many a gas tank, and getting the gas out is a trick. It makes sesne to just pour it out, but there's always a good bit left. It can take a long time for it to evaporate out- like over a week. the biggest problem is that gas weighs about 6 pounds a gallon. Now I'm strong; I've picked up my big old American v-8 engine block and moved it from the shop floor to a car trunk (I'm not that strong anymore though), but compare 230 lbs of iron to 15 gallons of fuel in a big can that constantly lets the fuel slosh around- that 90 lbs (call it 100 when you figure in the tank), is going to be straining all the bolts holding it in. Removing the bolts will be hard and you may damage them because of the load bearing against them, not to mention that the tnak was perhaps not designed to come out with the wheels on the ground- there might not be enough room under the car without it being up on a lift. I know from personal experience that the 100 shifting pounds of a gas tnak 3 inches in front of your nose, as you lie on your back underneath the car, may as well be 1,000 pounds- you are not, trust me here, you are not going to be able to hold that 100 pounds up with your wrists (actually one wrist, as the other holds a wrench) as the weight shifts around, even if you are named Jan per Jannssesn and compete in the World's Strongest Man competition. The tank's going to fall on you, and that hurts, and it will be unexpected. You need to take the gas out first. Ask me about the 30 pound starter motor that I thought I could hold in with my fingertips and was jammed against my headers to boot. Ask me what it felt like as it fell and hit my face- I'm lucky it didn't break my cheekbone- and that was 30 pounds. It doesn't pay to fool around underneath cars http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Know what you're doing is my advice

Get yourself a siphon pump- NOT an electrical one, mind you. That bears repeating : <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">do not use an electrical siphon pump</span>. No sense in blowing you to tiny little bits http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif use a hand-operated one. See if you can find one at a Marine supply place. Tell them you need a hand operated pump to removed fuel from a tank

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WarWolfe_1
12-03-2006, 06:45 AM
You might want to put a sticker next to the refuelling point stating the grade of fuel to be used in order to prevent this sort of thing from happening again...

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DuxCorvan
12-03-2006, 06:45 AM
It's all your fault, for sending a woman to make a slightly technical thing without instructions in a post-it pinned to her coat. Tsk, tsk. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

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Chuck_Older
12-03-2006, 06:48 AM
I would think that it isn't because of a lack of warning on the car, it was the fact that she accidentally grabbed the wrong pump handle while refueling<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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slipBall
12-03-2006, 06:48 AM
Get the fuel out!....then test...have someone you don't like, to start the car http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Fox_3
12-03-2006, 06:50 AM
Originally posted by Aimail101:
what do i do? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

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Airmail109
12-03-2006, 07:10 AM
Heheh thanks for the replies guys. Think she accidently picked the wrong handle up, accidents happen i guess....and shes been really stressed from doing concerts and having to put up with my brother who treats the place like a hotel. Im trying to sort this out before my dad finds out, hell turn into the mardiest git ever. Just need to find out what breakdown cover he put the car on. If not ill get a mate whos a mechanic round.

Thanks especially chuck, good of you to post so much http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Ill take that advice to heart! I think i have a hand operated siphon lying around! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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SkyChimp
12-03-2006, 07:14 AM
This is an easy one to fix.

Get yourself some plastic tubing - enough to stick all the way to the bottom of the tak with enough left over to come out of the filler so that the end can hang down below the fuel tank. Stick it down the filler spout, and then suck on the other end. Let is siphon out. Get as much out as you can then fill it up with diesel. It will be fine even if there was some gasoline left in the tank.

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Chuck_Older
12-03-2006, 07:28 AM
Gasoline is an aquired taste. I think it has a rather lousy poor nose, a harsh mouth feel, and much too lingering an aftertaste. The flavor isn't all it's cracked up to be though<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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BSS_CUDA
12-03-2006, 07:31 AM
if it hasnt gotten to the injector pump your ok, just drain the tank and refill, but if its gotten to the pump you've got problems, it will require an overhaul of the pump. did she run it until it was smoking????? if it was then your pumps screwed.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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major_setback
12-03-2006, 07:57 AM
If you happen to pour petrol on youself whilst dropping the tank, don't sit down for a smoke while you think things over. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif



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TAW_Oilburner
12-03-2006, 08:05 AM
Just drain the gas, re-fill with diesel and add a bottle of diesel fuel treatment (you want something that has extra lubrication in it) for the injector pump.

LStarosta
12-03-2006, 08:09 AM
Well, a turbine engine that runs on Jet-A (sorta like diesel) can run on 100LL avgas.

I know that means absolutely nothing to you, but it means a significant portion of the world to me.

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LEBillfish
12-03-2006, 09:38 AM
A siphon is not a sure bet either....Drill bit, a big one or many holes, at the lowest point in the tank....Problem solved...*nods sagely* http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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DuxCorvan
12-03-2006, 09:46 AM
Originally posted by LEBillfish:
A siphon is not a sure bet either....Drill bit, a big one or many holes, at the lowest point in the tank....Problem solved...*nods sagely* http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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LEBillfish
12-03-2006, 09:55 AM
Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
See? A woman without attached post-it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

I had an attached post-it note, It just fell off from me licking the glue off the back then wouldn't stick any more.....The pink ones taste best! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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DuxCorvan
12-03-2006, 10:08 AM
Originally posted by LEBillfish:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
See? A woman without attached post-it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

I had an attached post-it note, It just fell off from me licking the glue off the back then wouldn't stick any more.....The pink ones taste best! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Agamemnon22
12-03-2006, 10:44 AM
What kind of car is it? Mine has a drain plug in the bottom of the fuel tank, maybe yours too?<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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NAFP_supah
12-03-2006, 01:39 PM
Originally posted by LStarosta:
Well, a turbine engine that runs on Jet-A (sorta like diesel) can run on 100LL avgas.

I know that means absolutely nothing to you, but it means a significant portion of the world to me.

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One of the planes I fly a lot actually runs on diesel with a bit of biological oil from poppy seeds added. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Grabbing the wrong handle at the pump is a bit dim, don't they have the fuel type written on the pump and the handle were you life?<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Targ
12-03-2006, 01:52 PM
The universal color code for diesel is green and gasoline is red.
The diesel would have been well marked, she was just not paying attention at all.
Have the car towed to a shop and have it fixed properly.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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12-03-2006, 01:54 PM
This I find rather funny. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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MEGILE
12-03-2006, 02:25 PM
Originally posted by Targ:
The universal color code for diesel is green and gasoline is red.
The diesel would have been well marked, she was just not paying attention at all.
Have the car towed to a shop and have it fixed properly.

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12-03-2006, 02:49 PM
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LStarosta
12-03-2006, 02:56 PM
Well, to be honest she wouldn't have this problem if she rode a bicycle.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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DuxCorvan
12-03-2006, 03:08 PM
Originally posted by LStarosta:
Well, to be honest she wouldn't have this problem if she rode a bicycle.

Unless she fills it with petrol, too. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

CAF96th_Sillyak
12-03-2006, 03:11 PM
Originally posted by SkyChimp:
This is an easy one to fix.

Get yourself some plastic tubing - enough to stick all the way to the bottom of the tak with enough left over to come out of the filler so that the end can hang down below the fuel tank. Stick it down the filler spout, and then suck on the other end. Let is siphon out. Get as much out as you can then fill it up with diesel. It will be fine even if there was some gasoline left in the tank.

http://www.misterfixit.com/siphon.htm#So,


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LStarosta
12-03-2006, 03:14 PM
Originally posted by CAF96th_Sillyak:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SkyChimp:
This is an easy one to fix.

Get yourself some plastic tubing - enough to stick all the way to the bottom of the tak with enough left over to come out of the filler so that the end can hang down below the fuel tank. Stick it down the filler spout, and then suck on the other end. Let is siphon out. Get as much out as you can then fill it up with diesel. It will be fine even if there was some gasoline left in the tank.

http://www.misterfixit.com/siphon.htm#So,


never siphon gas with you mouth, get a little hand operated pump. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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DomJScott
12-03-2006, 03:15 PM
I remember doing this myself, fortunatly only put a small amount in but basically the mechanic at the station told me to just fill her up with diesel - worked fine.

LStarosta
12-03-2006, 03:17 PM
What about diesel?

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Taylortony
12-03-2006, 03:26 PM
As said drain the tank and refill it, when that is done, if she has run it then crack the lines (Undo) the lines to the injectors and crank it over till you have pushed the petrol through and you smell deisel, then reconnect em and start it.

oh and LStarosta trust me very very few Gas turbs will run on petrol............ you would be kissing goodbye to the turbine, the Chinook could as it had a selector in case of emergencies but the rest would be totalled

Bocephus-2005
12-03-2006, 03:26 PM
I was guilty of doing this myself. Drained the tank, filled up with diesel and it was fine. I had even driven it untill it started to run poorly.

Abbeville-Boy
12-03-2006, 03:27 PM
just you wait till dad gets home, mums in BIG trouble http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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x6BL_Brando
12-03-2006, 04:43 PM
The universal color code for diesel is green and gasoline is red.
The diesel would have been well marked, she was just not paying attention at all.
Have the car towed to a shop and have it fixed properly.

Er, NO!!!! Definitely not universal. Here in the UK it's quite different.
Diesel = black, Unleaded petrol = green. Leaded petrol was = red, but the sale of leaded has now ceased.

Pump nozzles and filler caps are different too - with the petrol-nozzles' diameters larger than the diesel fill-holes, to prevent contaminating the diesel. Very sensible too, if you ever had to bleed a diesel fuel system you'd appreciate that.

B.

Dance
12-03-2006, 05:00 PM
Did it to my works deisel escort van. Realised what I'd done, when it started spluttering after 1/2mile and pulled over and stopped. Apparently what was the best thing to do, as it could of 'burnt' my motor.

They drained it, flushed it thru with deisel and all was ok.

Hope it's that simple for you.

fordfan25
12-03-2006, 05:16 PM
Originally posted by SkyChimp:
This is an easy one to fix.

Get yourself some plastic tubing - enough to stick all the way to the bottom of the tak with enough left over to come out of the filler so that the end can hang down below the fuel tank. Stick it down the filler spout, and then suck on the other end. Let is siphon out. Get as much out as you can then fill it up with diesel. It will be fine even if there was some gasoline left in the tank.

http://www.misterfixit.com/siphon.htm#So,
BINGO. just to be sure i would afetr draining add some D maby a gallon or two and drain again. also you will better off changeing fuil filter but that may not be nessary. i know on a budd's truck he did the oposite and i HAD to change the filter 4 him.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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DuxCorvan
12-03-2006, 05:21 PM
Now seriously, don't give mum an alibis. Dad will be very thankful if he has some embarrasing anecdote in his weaponry next time they argument about something.

"Yeah, yeah, but, do you remember when you filled the diesel car with petrol, huh?"

One thousand times better than STFU.

FritzGryphon
12-03-2006, 05:22 PM
The fastest way to flush out the gasoline is to burn it out. That way will get it all without leaving any residue, and is far easier than siphoning, or removing the tank. A burning pack of matches should do the trick.

If the fire won't stay burning, you might have to poke ventilation holes in the tank, or use an oxygen bottle.

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12-03-2006, 06:08 PM
Originally posted by FritzGryphon:
The fastest way to flush out the gasoline is to burn it out. That way will get it all without leaving any residue, and is far easier than siphoning, or removing the tank. A burning pack of matches should do the trick.

If the fire won't stay burning, you might have to poke ventilation holes in the tank, or use an oxygen bottle. you know it would be funny if you said that to any one else, but to Aimail101 ....... you know he might try it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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LStarosta
12-03-2006, 07:34 PM
Originally posted by Taylortony:
As said drain the tank and refill it, when that is done, if she has run it then crack the lines (Undo) the lines to the injectors and crank it over till you have pushed the petrol through and you smell deisel, then reconnect em and start it.

oh and LStarosta trust me very very few Gas turbs will run on petrol............ you would be kissing goodbye to the turbine, the Chinook could as it had a selector in case of emergencies but the rest would be totalled

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Blottogg
12-03-2006, 11:59 PM
I don't have any experience running gasoline in a compression ignition motor, but given the lower compression ratios of gasoline engines, I believe running gasoline in a Diesel engine would be very bad. As in detonation, probably before the piston reachs top-dead-center. Running Diesel in a gasoline engine on the other hand, would be a smokey, poor running mess, but not an immediate catastrophe. Not having done either, I could be wrong.

Did she realize her mistake right away, or did she drive for a while on the mixture? What was the fuel gauge reading before she filled up, and how much gasoline did she put in? Siphoning would be the first step. And listen to those advocating a hand pump. Siphoning by mouth is possible, but not recommended. What to do next depends on the percentage of gas, and whether the car was driven on this mix. Possibilities exist from "no damage, drain, refill with Diesel and run" to "the head's cracked from detonation." Hopefully the former. Good luck, and keep us posted.

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Viper2005_
12-04-2006, 04:02 AM
If you put diesel into an otto cycle engine then you're running a high risk of detonation and engine damage depending upon the compression ratio of the engine and how clever its control system is (some modern engines will change their valve timing in response to knock in order to avoid damage, though there are obviously limits to the degree of adjustment available).

If you put petrol into a diesel engine it'll just have trouble with starting from cold. I've seen this when some *genius* put petrol into the diesel minibus tasked with taking us flying in the morning. It was fine initially because the engine was warm. The next day it was very reluctant to start and we were all late as a result.

Each day diesel was put into the tank to replace the fuel used, and things progressively improved. After a week or so it was back to normal...

This was an ancient transit van that was somewhat agricultural in its engineering, so YMMV.

LStarosta
12-04-2006, 07:06 AM
Originally posted by Viper2005_:


This was an ancient transit van that was somewhat agricultural in its engineering, so YMMV.

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I_KG100_Prien
12-04-2006, 08:44 AM
Ahh reminds me of the time a friends truck ran out of gas while bashing around the Vineyard where I grew up..

Walked to the shop where there were usually gas cans filled with gas for Chainsaws. Grabbed a gas can, noticed it was full. Jackpot. Walked back, poured 2 gallons of "gas" into truck. Started it up, wondered why it ran like **** and there was clouds of white smoke coming out of both tailpipes.

Further investigation discovered that the gas can I picked up had 2 gallons of KEROSENE in it.

Learned that a '74 Ford F-150 will run on Kerosene, however very poorly http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

Fortunatly those old pickups have fuel tanks that are easy to drain. Shame modern day vehicles do not follow the same line of "ease" that the old ones do.

Stick me in front of a '72 Chevy C-20 and I can fix it all day long.. Stick me in front of my wifes '02 Dodge Intrepid and I'm lost http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Taylortony
12-04-2006, 10:26 AM
Originally posted by FritzGryphon:
The fastest way to flush out the gasoline is to burn it out. That way will get it all without leaving any residue, and is far easier than siphoning, or removing the tank. A burning pack of matches should do the trick.

If the fire won't stay burning, you might have to poke ventilation holes in the tank, or use an oxygen bottle.


What a STUPID THING TO POST, it beggars belief what some morons will post to get a simple laugh, People have done stupid things like this in the past because of stupid comments posted on sites like this before.........

Airmail109
12-04-2006, 12:22 PM
Dont worry tony im not that stupid. Thx for all the posots lads, some of them made me laugh hahah. Its all sorted now, got a mate whos a mechanic round.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

Megile : "Hey it's not technically spamming if its on different forums right?"

Taylortony
12-04-2006, 01:49 PM
Originally posted by Aimail101:
Dont worry tony im not that stupid. Thx for all the posots lads, some of them made me laugh hahah. Its all sorted now, got a mate whos a mechanic round.

No u are not, but anyone Googling an answer to their problem may have that single post come up....................... still if they do survive, they can at least have the comfort of knowing they can sue him for all his earthly posessions for making such a crass statement.........

Swivet
12-04-2006, 02:08 PM
a rubber hose and strong lungs...but dropping the tank is your best bet..<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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