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Hammster
11-03-2004, 07:27 PM
Chuck Older, 3rd Pursuit Squadron, American Volunteer Group, China 1941.
Can be used on the Hawk81A-2 and the P-40B/C.
With and without markings.

NOTE: The skin folder for the Hawk 81 must be renamed to "Hawk81A-2" for the skin to show up in the selection screen.

Compatible for use with Serval's "SkinMan", available at http://www.1java.org/sh/


Available at: http://www.il2skins.com/?action=display&skinid=15968


http://members.cox.net/covclan/images/Older_01.jpg

http://members.cox.net/covclan/images/Older_02.jpg

http://members.cox.net/covclan/images/Older_03.jpg

http://members.cox.net/covclan/images/Older_04.jpg

Hammster
11-03-2004, 07:27 PM
Chuck Older, 3rd Pursuit Squadron, American Volunteer Group, China 1941.
Can be used on the Hawk81A-2 and the P-40B/C.
With and without markings.

NOTE: The skin folder for the Hawk 81 must be renamed to "Hawk81A-2" for the skin to show up in the selection screen.

Compatible for use with Serval's "SkinMan", available at http://www.1java.org/sh/


Available at: http://www.il2skins.com/?action=display&skinid=15968


http://members.cox.net/covclan/images/Older_01.jpg

http://members.cox.net/covclan/images/Older_02.jpg

http://members.cox.net/covclan/images/Older_03.jpg

http://members.cox.net/covclan/images/Older_04.jpg

MK2aw
11-03-2004, 07:29 PM
sweet.

ZG77_Lignite
11-03-2004, 08:36 PM
My most anticipated skin since your JG54 FW190 Hammerd, simply beautiful. Makes the mishmash I put together myself look like @#$% http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Many thanks sir.

r0bman
11-03-2004, 11:33 PM
i know someone on this forum that's going to be ecstatic about this... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

but yes, gorgeous skin... there's something about the sharksmouth that looks a little off... can't put it into words, exactly... possibly lack of weathering?

don't take this the wrong way... I'm floored, it's beautiful... just offering a little constructive critisism... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Dimensionaut_
11-04-2004, 03:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ZG77_Lignite:
My most anticipated skin since your JG54 FW190 Hammerd, simply beautiful. Makes the mishmash I put together myself look like @#$% http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Many thanks sir. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, that's realistic. Don't you know that sharks brush their teeth three times a day? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Great skin. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

ElAurens
11-04-2004, 05:28 AM
http://blitzpigs.com/forum/images/smiles/m-drop.gif

Chuck_Older
11-04-2004, 07:49 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by r0bman:
i know _someone_ on this forum that's going to be ecstatic about this... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Who? Who? Tell me, tell me tell me! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Fine, fine, work!


The problem with the Shark mouth is four-fold:

One, in several different pics of the real plane, it's hard to tell if at one time, Charles Older's hawk had a shark mouth that was as open as it is on this (gorgeous!) skin. In other pictures, the mouth is clearly much less open. It seems that the mouth should be much less open on the skin. there's another skin for White 68 at Il2skins that has the mouth almost perfect. That other #68 is a fine bit of work, but not as good as this skin!

Two, in some pics, the eye has no pupil, In others it seems to. In most it looks solid, and I have a color plate in a book that shows it as just red

Three, the color plate I have in my ref. book also shows that the underside of the plane which is white in Hammerd's skin is actually the light blue present inside the mouth of the shark. Also, the blue line is met by the green camo paint inside the mouth, near the back of the mouth where the teeth meet

Four, the tongue seems to follow the line of the teeth on CO's hawk.

But whatever, I'm DL'ing this right now. Nice work, maybe a tweak here and there will get it perfectly perfect http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

All in all fantastic work

~edit:

a respectful suggestion for a slight update on the mouth and eye. This is a very quick and dirty composite of two skins I just whipped up as an example of what I meant about the mouth being slightly less open, and the eye:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/Chuck_Older/oldercomp2.jpg

ElAurens
11-04-2004, 04:17 PM
*AHEM*

http://www.blitzpigs.com/photos/tigers2.jpg

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Chuck_Older
11-04-2004, 04:42 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Yes, I was talking to Hammerd about this pic just a little while ago, I think. I have the same pic but in black and white.

He's used a few different sources for his skin, and I have looked at some references I have as well as some pics I've found online, I as near as I can tell, there are three distict 'phases' on White 68 concerning the mouth. One of them is quite nearly as open as the one in Hammerd's skin, and another is the one you just posted, El, in which the mouth has a 'smile'.The third is similar to my little cut 'n paste job.

I can only assume that at some point, damage to cowl panels and general wear and tear made re-painting of the mouth necessary. There also could have been more than one H81A that bore the AVG number White 68.

Hammerd said he used pretty much the same mouth as on the default skin, and after talking with him, it seems as accurate as can be expected, given the changes from photo to photo of these planes.

Hammerd's a pretty good guy. I sent him a skin I made that used his C Older's skin and elements of Mackwan's, but I really see no reason to update the skin now that I have seen some of these pics. Hammerd was very open to any comments on his skins, I suppose that's one reason his skins are so good http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif