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major_setback
04-25-2007, 09:02 AM
This RAF site has some very interesting pictures, and a comprehensive run-though of their history. Look at the main menu for navigation to different sections of the site:


Bomber Command site (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.raf.mod.uk/bombercommand/images/c3425.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.raf.mod.uk/bombercommand/feb43.html&h=465&w=600&sz=65&hl=sv&start=2&um=1&tbnid=-DoJdnOCfcX8CM:&tbnh=105&tbnw=135&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dmosquito%2Battack%2Bst.%26svnum%3D10% 26um%3D1%26hl%3Dsv%26lr%3D%26rls%3DGGLC,GGLC:1970-01,GGLC:en%26sa%3DN)

http://www.raf.mod.uk/bombercommand/feb43.html

Aircraft list (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.raf.mod.uk/bombercommand/images/c3425.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.raf.mod.uk/bombercommand/feb43.html&h=465&w=600&sz=65&hl=sv&start=2&um=1&tbnid=-DoJdnOCfcX8CM:&tbnh=105&tbnw=135&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dmosquito%2Battack%2Bst.%26svnum%3D10% 26um%3D1%26hl%3Dsv%26lr%3D%26rls%3DGGLC,GGLC:1970-01,GGLC:en%26sa%3DN)


http://www.raf.mod.uk/bombercommand/images/c3490.jpg

http://www.raf.mod.uk/bombercommand/images/3121-39.jpg

http://www.raf.mod.uk/bombercommand/images/ch10886.jpg

http://www.raf.mod.uk/bombercommand/images/c3186.jpg


http://www.raf.mod.uk/bombercommand/images/ch11929.jpg

http://www.raf.mod.uk/bombercommand/images/ch3.jpg

http://www.raf.mod.uk/bombercommand/images/h2052.jpg

http://www.raf.mod.uk/bombercommand/images/c1378.jpg

http://www.raf.mod.uk/bombercommand/images/c1654.jpg

This is a very strange looking turret/barbette on a Wellington http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif:
http://www.raf.mod.uk/bombercommand/images/h2368.jpg

FoolTrottel
04-25-2007, 11:21 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gifTY

Aaron_GT
04-25-2007, 11:27 AM
Are those training Wellingtons? The reason I ask - the nose turret seems to just have a glass fairing, no actual turret.

AVG_WarHawk
04-25-2007, 11:28 AM
Wow! Excellent stuff, Thanks for the headsup!

Aaron_GT
04-25-2007, 11:28 AM
That last turret might be a test of one of the somewhat flat 4 20mm cannon turrets but without the majority of the fairings. A number of unbuilt Vickers designs featured them in dorsal and ventral positions.

major_setback
04-25-2007, 12:25 PM
Don't miss the gallery section:

Aircraft Gallery (http://www.raf.mod.uk/bombercommand/gallery.html)

example.
http://www.raf.mod.uk/bombercommand/images/halifaxbmkib1024.bmp

Waldo.Pepper
04-25-2007, 12:31 PM
Originally posted by Aaron_GT:
Are those training Wellingtons? The reason I ask - the nose turret seems to just have a glass fairing, no actual turret.

No not training. It is a Mark 1 Wellington. The turret is designed by Vickers. The same picture is used in the book - page 8

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/WaldoPepper/Wellington%20cover/PagesfromWellington4.jpg

polak5
04-25-2007, 02:29 PM
Originally posted by major_setback:
This RAF site has some very interesting pictures, and a comprehensive run-though of their history. Look at the main menu for navigation to different sections of the site:


Bomber Command site (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.raf.mod.uk/bombercommand/images/c3425.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.raf.mod.uk/bombercommand/feb43.html&h=465&w=600&sz=65&hl=sv&start=2&um=1&tbnid=-DoJdnOCfcX8CM:&tbnh=105&tbnw=135&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dmosquito%2Battack%2Bst.%26svnum%3D10% 26um%3D1%26hl%3Dsv%26lr%3D%26rls%3DGGLC,GGLC:1970-01,GGLC:en%26sa%3DN)


This is a very kewl site.. discovered it over the weekend, inspired me to create some coop missions. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Hanglands
04-25-2007, 04:58 PM
Well posted major_setback. I've dug around the Bomber Command site a few times for information, but never looked through the picture ac=rchive. Thanks for that one.

MB_Avro_UK
04-25-2007, 05:18 PM
Good Post Major_Setback http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Best Regards,
MB_Avro.

luftluuver
04-25-2007, 07:46 PM
Originally posted by Waldo.Pepper:
No not training. It is a Mark 1 Wellington. The turret is designed by Vickers. The same picture is used in the book - page 8

Typo? Mk Is used radial engines.

The pic is of LA250, a Mk II, modded to test a <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">40mm</span> Vickers 'S' gun. The dorsal turret was to used on the Boulton-paul P.92.

Waldo.Pepper
04-25-2007, 10:57 PM
Originally posted by luftluuver:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Waldo.Pepper:
No not training. It is a Mark 1 Wellington. The turret is designed by Vickers. The same picture is used in the book - page 8

Typo? Mk Is used radial engines.

The pic is of LA250, a Mk II, modded to test a <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">40mm</span> Vickers 'S' gun. The dorsal turret was to used on the Boulton-paul P.92. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Right but I thought that this was the picture that he was refering to.

http://www.raf.mod.uk/bombercommand/images/ch3.jpg

That is the one that I was speaking about anyway. Sorry for any confusion.

ddpairborne59
04-25-2007, 11:59 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif NICESSSSSS!!!

Deadmeat313
04-26-2007, 04:44 AM
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d119/deadmeat313/lancasterbmkiia800.jpg

Lancaster running on one engine. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

See the scenery below the plane. It reminds me of the BOB screenshots. Nice. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


T.

major_setback
04-26-2007, 11:05 AM
Originally posted by luftluuver:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Waldo.Pepper:
No not training. It is a Mark 1 Wellington. The turret is designed by Vickers. The same picture is used in the book - page 8

Typo? Mk Is used radial engines.

The pic is of LA250, a Mk II, modded to test a <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">40mm</span> Vickers 'S' gun. The dorsal turret was to used on the Boulton-paul P.92. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks for that piece of information http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I looked for pictures of it; found these. Boulton Paul P92:
Site (http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Village/4082/brit/odd_air.htm)
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Village/4082/brit/bp_p92.jpg
http://www.jaapteeuwen.com/ww2aircraft/pictures/gallery/boulton%20paul%20p92%202.jpg

Aaron_GT
04-27-2007, 02:10 AM
No not training. It is a Mark 1 Wellington.

Plain Mk. 1? Are those Vickers non powered turrets? There don't actually seem to be any guns in the front turret of the one in the foreground. How many plain 1s were built?


Thanks for that piece of information Smile I looked for pictures of it; found these. Boulton Paul P92:

That's the style of turret I was referring to, but as far as I remember the four cannon rather that turret (normally shown as 4 cannon in a line) was a Boulton Paul design, rather than Vickers, so I would assume, then, that the Wellington photo is, as suggested, testing a 40mm turret.

The 4 20mm cannon turret (dorsal and ventral) was supposed to form the basis of the armament of a series of bombers including the 'ideal bomber' which would have given British bombers the basic armament of 8 20mm cannon. WW2 put paid to some of these developments.

Talking about Vickers aircraft, check out the designs from Barnes Wallis for the bomber originally intended to deliver the grand slam.

luftluuver
04-27-2007, 04:27 AM
Aaron,
Nash & Thomson built a wide range of turrets for aircraft. All were powered hydraulically and carried 0.303 inch (7.7 mm) Vickers K or Browning machine guns.

FN-5 - two gun nose turret on Avro Lancaster, Short Stirling and Vickers Wellington.

Might be of some interest, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Village_Inn_%28codename%29

Village Inn was the codename for the British Airborne GunLaying in Turrets (AGLT) radar-aimed gun turret fitted to some Lancaster bombers in 1944.