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XyZspineZyX
09-25-2003, 10:01 AM
For some reason I cannot seem to take off very well in the I-16* (I think thats the aeroplane model)
I wobble all over the place and end up sliding on one wing..
If I use auto pilot it manages to set the flaps halfway beetween Normal and Landing and takes off fine, yet I cannot work out how it does this, I can only set them to Landing or Normal. Is there a way of doing this Via Keyboard or Joystick or is it just the Autopilot showing off?
And how do i stop the mad wobble I get as well
and can anyone explain the use of the propellor pitch to me because I cant work that out either!!
...any help would be greatly appreciated...

(Ive worked out how to use the parachute!)

XyZspineZyX
09-25-2003, 10:01 AM
For some reason I cannot seem to take off very well in the I-16* (I think thats the aeroplane model)
I wobble all over the place and end up sliding on one wing..
If I use auto pilot it manages to set the flaps halfway beetween Normal and Landing and takes off fine, yet I cannot work out how it does this, I can only set them to Landing or Normal. Is there a way of doing this Via Keyboard or Joystick or is it just the Autopilot showing off?
And how do i stop the mad wobble I get as well
and can anyone explain the use of the propellor pitch to me because I cant work that out either!!
...any help would be greatly appreciated...

(Ive worked out how to use the parachute!)

XyZspineZyX
09-25-2003, 10:04 AM
Keep a steady hand,I suppose...and paractice! I've never had a serious problem with this...

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XyZspineZyX
09-25-2003, 10:09 AM
Dont apply too much throttle at once when accelerating in takeoff.

Use gentle increase for power, thats the main trickhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

-Masi

XyZspineZyX
09-25-2003, 10:10 AM
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Message Edited on 09/25/0302:13AM by tenmmike

XyZspineZyX
09-25-2003, 10:11 AM
How should the flaps be set then, because the Autopilot does something to them that I cannot seem to do myself..its somewhere between Normal and landing...all the other planes set it like this as well ( watch them using Shift + F2 you will see what i mean) I only have 2 settings for the flaps!

XyZspineZyX
09-25-2003, 10:15 AM
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Message Edited on 09/25/0309:17AM by MiP-Warden

XyZspineZyX
09-25-2003, 10:18 AM
DO NOT use flaps to t/o in the I-16. They are more like airbrakes and create a lot of drag. Fine for landing. Are you using rudder to counteract the torque? It does require quite a lot of rudder imput during t/o stay straight.

Prop pitch should be set to fine for t/o to get max. rpm and increased progressivly to get a bigger "bite" of the air as you move forward faster. Like the gears of a car.

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XyZspineZyX
09-25-2003, 10:23 AM
Ok so slow accel. and rudder input ive sort of got the hang of. What percentage of Prop. Pitch would u say?
I usually leave it on 100% for takeoffs is that wrong?
Thnx 4 your help btw ppl really appreciate this....

XyZspineZyX
09-25-2003, 10:43 AM
I had the same problems till I figured it all out.

Flaps down, pitch? It's an autopitch prop, radiator closed.

Throttle to the firewall, and hold her straight with the rudder.

Apply full down elevator until the tail comes up off the runway. Let it pick up speed as you ease off the down elevator pressure. Then just apply a little up, and she lifts off smooth as silk with no wing dragging etc.

It's the only way I've found to take-off in an I-16 without doing the crazy wing walking dance. I also like to stand on the brakes until the motor comes up to power. This allows you to hold rudder to keep her straight also. So just let go of the brakes, and let her rip.

You can also lock the tailwheel which I don't but may help.

The important thing is to lift the tail using down elevator before she reaches a flying speed. Or due to the angle of attack.

Once airborne pull up your gear, and then lift the flaps.

XyZspineZyX
09-25-2003, 10:53 AM
dont forget gear is manual!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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XyZspineZyX
09-25-2003, 10:56 AM
This is how to do it:

(do not use flaps)

1. Apply brake
2. Throttle up to max.
3. Release brakes when RPMs are 3.000 (which is max btw.)
4. Lift tail immediately (push stick forward)
5. Take off at approx 160KPH



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XyZspineZyX
09-25-2003, 11:14 AM
Hi MiP-Warden,

I haven't tried the I-16 since the patch, but when FB was first released, we had to come to terms with this, for it and the other Polikarpov fighter (I-153). When you start off down the runway, gently push your joystick forward as you pick up speed. Not too much, just a little to get up on the undercarriage with the tail off the ground. The I-16 will be much more stable and you should be able to take off at 145kph. The flaps only have raised and landing settings. Keep them in raised for take offs. Be sure to first go into controls and set keys for both manual raising and lowering the landing gear. You need to keep pressing the assigned key till the two green (or red) lights appear in the cockpit. You hear and see the winding of it, when you keep pressing the assigned key. Hope this helps, there's probably more experienced I-16 drivers out there, that may have more information.

XyZspineZyX
09-25-2003, 11:23 AM
Be careful if you don't use flaps on takeoff. In the I-16 both the ailerons, and flaps lower.
I've found that if you lift off at near stall speed with flaps up she'll roll to the right 90 degree's and its all she wrote.

I have zero problems on take off with my method. I've also never managed to get the tail to come up with brakes on at full power. Can't hurt to try though either way you need to be holding down elevator.
Also there's no reason not to use flaps. Your wingman use flaps as does the autopilot. Drag is only an issue as you approach 300 mph. By the time you lift off, and retract your gear it's time to raise the flaps.
You've already got a little altitude you in formation behind the others.

I'd only not use flaps if I had a bogey bearing down on me.

XyZspineZyX
09-25-2003, 11:39 AM
I think the other chaps have missed the biggest issue...

Keep the stick pushed forwards in I-16 and the 153 untill you are fast enough to fly.

This pins you to the tarmac , brings the tail up etc.

After that of course lashings of throttle and rudder applied a very gentle touch.

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XyZspineZyX
09-25-2003, 11:44 AM
Yep, agreed. Stick forward! Applies to most planes.

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XyZspineZyX
09-25-2003, 11:57 AM
Didn't miss it. Glad I wasn't giving him a bum steer.

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XyZspineZyX
09-25-2003, 01:51 PM
Ok ppl thanks for all the advice...
I'm still not sure about the flaps...
At takeoff if u set your flaps down (to landing) and press F2 and look at the position..then Shift + F2 and look at other wingmen theirs seem to be in between normal and landing halfway if u like (best viewed from the side)...and yours will be fully down??!! Thats what was confusing me. and yeah the autopilot sets them like that as well...so i just thought there was something i was missing!!
Oh well never mind..
thnx again for all your advice.

XyZspineZyX
09-25-2003, 02:18 PM
MiP-Warden wrote:
- Ok ppl thanks for all the advice...
- I'm still not sure about the flaps...
- At takeoff if u set your flaps down (to landing) and

If you assing your flaps to slider (or rotary switch if you have one) you will be able to set flaps at any angle you like.
In oreder to do that pres ESC go to Conrols and flaps will be at the HOTAS Controls. Assing flaps to desired rotary switch and Apply.

Happy flying
Yuric17

XyZspineZyX
09-25-2003, 03:49 PM
The Russians flying I-16s liked to have the flaps wired up closed so that they couldn't be used whatever.
This is a good read about a VVS pilot who flew the I-16 and Hurricane amongst others.:
http://www.airforce.users.ru/lend-lease/english/articles/golodnikov/part1.htm


And the 45-degree flaps available on auto-pilot is a bug - IRL they only had closed or open available.

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XyZspineZyX
09-25-2003, 05:40 PM
I use the I-16 a lot, and never have any trouble taking off. The trick is NOT to put the throttle to 100%. The I-16 was a light plane and the engine generated a lot of torque. I found out that a 60 or 70% throttle is enough. Use the rudder to keep the plane centered, and pull back when you reach 120 or 130 mph. Then raise the gear (manually), and only then raise the throttle to 100%. Only use the flaps for landing.

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XyZspineZyX
09-25-2003, 06:08 PM
Don't listen to the prop pitch adjusting people. Prop pitch has little to do with it. In RL, any plane with adjustable pitch or constant speed prop would be taken off with full fine pitch ( FB calls it 100% ) and this should not be changed until well after take off. Don't even mess with it until at least your gear are up and you are in climb out.
Prop pitch is abused and misunderstood by people in FB, since most of the guys/girls in here are gamers and not real life pilots.

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XyZspineZyX
10-01-2003, 02:57 PM
I did as Yuric17 suggested and assigned my mousewheel to Hotas Flaps and can now set the flaps at any angle I want about 1-2 Degrees at a time...nice one Yuric17!