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BrewsterPilot
06-15-2007, 10:40 AM
I'm having a discussion with a friend of mine, and we're wondering how many people outside of Finland have heard the name

Carl Gustaf Emil Mannerheim

before?
He's just about the most famous person in Finnish history.
Please reply honestly. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif


Thanks,
BrewsterPilot

neural_dream
06-15-2007, 10:42 AM
He's top 5 strategists in my book. I'm Greek, live in the UK. Most of my friends have never heard of him.

flyingloon
06-15-2007, 10:42 AM
hi, yeah i've heard of him - at least the Mannerheim name is familiar, but not sure where or what context though.

MEGILE
06-15-2007, 11:03 AM
Put it this way...I could walk past him in the street, and not have a clue.

Eldude95
06-15-2007, 11:18 AM
I dont have a clue who he is.

LStarosta
06-15-2007, 11:21 AM
No I don't recognize the name and btw what's Finland? Is it like Disneyworld?

FlatSpinMan
06-15-2007, 11:23 AM
Naah - it's more similar to Sea World.

Never heard of the guy and I'm a frikkin' genius!

Daiichidoku
06-15-2007, 11:24 AM
raaaid's secret identity

DmdSeeker
06-15-2007, 11:31 AM
I know of him; but only through simming; and I've learnt more since flying IL-2 with it's eastern front focus.

BfHeFwMe
06-15-2007, 11:38 AM
Is it true you guys are born with finns on your spine, have webbed toes, and gill slits? http://media.ubi.com/us/forum_images/gf-glomp.gif

ploughman
06-15-2007, 11:59 AM
Is he of the line fame? If so, then yes. But we're barely on speaking terms.

BrewsterPilot
06-15-2007, 12:06 PM
Originally posted by Megile:
Put it this way...I could walk past him in the street, and not have a clue.

Nope, you couldn't.
He's been dead for 56 years... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

BaronUnderpants
06-15-2007, 12:16 PM
Finlands supreme commander during Finish winter war and WWII and later, president.

thats pretty much all i know.....despite the fact im Swedish. Sry http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blush.gif

MEGILE
06-15-2007, 12:26 PM
Originally posted by BrewsterPilot:


Nope, you couldn't.
He's been dead for 56 years... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Exactly

Abbuzze
06-15-2007, 12:33 PM
Yes read about him.
The Mannerheim line comes to my mind. But to admit I would have to use google. Not sure anymore if it was a ceasefire line or a defensive line in the finnish russian war...

Udidtoo
06-15-2007, 12:53 PM
Honestly before a book HH-Dubbo gave me on WWII spies and espionage all I really knew was he instrumental in the defense against Stalin and the Soviets but I did know who, when , where & why. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

After, I read a bit more just because I'm a history geek. He certainly didn't reach old age and then retire quietly. I think he was in his mid 70's when he lead the last round of Finnish resistance against Uncle Joe. It was interesting how he went from being in the Russian military in his youth to becoming a fierce adversary.

Copperhead310th
06-15-2007, 01:00 PM
Originally posted by flyingloon:
hi, yeah i've heard of him - at least the Mannerheim name is familiar, but not sure where or what context though.

I'll second that. I know the name Mannerheim. but that's about it.
Would anyone in Finnland know the name nathan bedford Forrest?

neural_dream
06-15-2007, 01:06 PM
Originally posted by Copperhead310th:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by flyingloon:
hi, yeah i've heard of him - at least the Mannerheim name is familiar, but not sure where or what context though.

I'll second that. I know the name Mannerheim. but that's about it.
Would anyone in Finnland know the name nathan bedford Forrest? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
lol Mannerheim was a bit more important and recent

boxmike
06-15-2007, 01:24 PM
Originally posted by Copperhead310th:

I'll second that. I know the name Mannerheim. but that's about it.
Would anyone in Finnland know the name nathan bedford Forrest?

Writing this country like that U must be German? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
Wasnt he buddy to 'Stonewall' Jackson? I found also interesting this guy general Ambrose Burnside who actually gave name to 'sideburns'. Looking to his photo it's easy to understand.
BTW. Do me a favor and recommend a good RTS about American Civil War, I find it interesting. I used to run Pickett's corps to Cemetery Hill almost 20 yrs ago in Universal Military Simulator in trusty Amiga, and never won.

C.G.E. Mannerheim was recently voted to top Finn. Second place went to Continuation War president Risto Ryti who made the deal with Germans 1944 that during his office Finland will not seek peace with Soviets. Finland got crucial help and then Ryti resigned. Not a beautiful pattern but war is hell like they say. Or like a Blenheim pilot I met few yrs ago, said they turned against Germans very mad and confused to shoot former ally.

Rgds,
- box

ytareh
06-15-2007, 01:39 PM
Yes.

BigC208
06-15-2007, 02:00 PM
It's interesting how educational this website is. I thought I knew quite a bit about Finland and the winter and continuation war. I read here about Talvisota and downloaded the movie a few weeks ago. They were talking about Mannerheim and his work during the civil war in 1918. Finnish civil war! Ha! That was a new one for me! Ended up reading about Finnish history and about todays Finland for over 5 or 6 hours. I have a growing respect for the Finns. They got away from 600 years under Sweden with their culture and language (and what a language indeed! 3 hour movie and the only word I recognised was Ruskie)intact and they stopped 2 Russian armies long enough to negotiate their country's freedom. All this came at a horrible cost of 25000 soldiers lives on a population of 4 million people.

crucislancer
06-15-2007, 02:12 PM
I've seen his name a few times while browsing stuff on Wikipedia.

Monterey13
06-15-2007, 03:19 PM
Copperhead wrote...
I'll second that. I know the name Mannerheim. but that's about it.
Would anyone in Finnland know the name nathan bedford Forrest?

Lol, I live about 20 miles from Nathan Bedford Forrest State Park.

XyZspineZyX
06-15-2007, 03:31 PM
Originally posted by BrewsterPilot:
I'm having a discussion with a friend of mine, and we're wondering how many people outside of Finland have heard the name

Carl Gustaf Emil Mannerheim

before?
He's just about the most famous person in Finnish history.
Please reply honestly. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif


Thanks,
BrewsterPilot

No, I don't.

Lots of History is unknown to people outisde of it's locale- do you know who Pitcairn was? Don't feel bad, most folks in the USA don't either http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
06-15-2007, 03:32 PM
Originally posted by Copperhead310th:

Would anyone in Finnland know the name nathan bedford Forrest?

Well if they did, they'd get there fustest with the mostest http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

stalkervision
06-15-2007, 03:37 PM
Originally posted by BrewsterPilot:
I'm having a discussion with a friend of mine, and we're wondering how many people outside of Finland have heard the name

Carl Gustaf Emil Mannerheim

before?
He's just about the most famous person in Finnish history.
Please reply honestly. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif


Thanks,
BrewsterPilot


yes I do, I read all about him in "The Winter War" Russia agains't Findland (Ballentine Books)

a real hero! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

DuxCorvan
06-15-2007, 03:46 PM
Juan Martín aka 'El Empecinado', anyone?
Gonzalo de Córdoba?
Álvaro de Bazán?

Don't feel bad, mate. National heroes are not always world-wide known.

BTW, I did knew Mannerheim.

But then, I'm a historian. I must know.

joeap
06-15-2007, 04:08 PM
Mannerheim I know, and Nathan Bedford Forrest as well.

SO THERE. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

Do you all know Arthur Currie?

Belisarius?

You do know Pericles I hope. All part of my heritage.

leitmotiv
06-15-2007, 04:25 PM
Yep, Know him, and I knew that Finland was the only country to repay its WWI debt---shot down a room full of PhD. candidates with this tidbit, heh heh!

Dux just totally humilated me---now I'll slink off....

John_Reed
06-15-2007, 04:50 PM
I think his name is known in Europe, mostly by the term "Mannerheim-line".

But I don't think that many people could explain rather exactly who he was or what he did.

I knew that he formed the Finnish army, became Marshal of Finland and later on President in which role he negotiated the armistice with the Soviet-Union. And btw: Wasn't he Swedish by origin? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif But for more information I would have to walk over to the bookshelf. But I won't now.

Something irritated me though: Somebody wrote "He's been dead for xx years..." what implies the question "Isn't he any longer..?" or "Did the Finns clone him..?" or "Has my English gotten somewhat rude while not really practicing it?"

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

So long,

John

Copperhead310th
06-15-2007, 05:07 PM
lol i actually have no idea why that name poped into my head. lol
ok heres a better one. would anyone in Finnland know who Hank Williams is? lol

John_Reed
06-15-2007, 05:11 PM
C'mon. You've could have asked for Johnny Cash or Elvis, too...

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/crackwhip.gif

But do you know Marlene Dietrich or Curd Jürgens?

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

LStarosta
06-15-2007, 05:41 PM
I know of Marlene Dietrich, and I heard of Turd Ferguson.

Monterey13
06-15-2007, 06:04 PM
Lol Copperhead, Hank Jr. lives 3 miles from me.(Not something to be proud of, believe me. He's more of a nuisance than anything).

I know you were talking about Hank Sr. Great man.

Copperhead310th
06-15-2007, 06:10 PM
Originally posted by Monterey13:
Lol Copperhead, Hank Jr. lives 3 miles from me.(Not something to be proud of, believe me. He's more of a nuisance than anything).

I know you were talking about Hank Sr. Great man.

I've been to his house here in Alabama. Hunting with one of his relatives. You msut live in Montana. lol
Well if you know about Hank then you'll know who Rufus Payne was. lol

Airmail109
06-15-2007, 07:33 PM
Originally posted by BaronUnderpants:
Finlands supreme commander during Finish winter war and WWII and later, president.

thats pretty much all i know.....despite the fact im Swedish. Sry http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blush.gif

Dont the Swedes hate the Finns? I have a Swedish friend who says most swedes feel that Finland should be theres even though they ran like pussies in the face of the Russians?

LStarosta
06-15-2007, 08:07 PM
Them be fightin' words, son.

huggy87
06-15-2007, 08:17 PM
Yeah, I've heard of him, but I'm a WW2 dork. He certainly did some good work against the Russians. The Finns were put in a tough spot, and they still catch a lot of heat for allying with Hitler, but I can't say I blame them. In the end, WW2 went well for Finland.

Monterey13
06-15-2007, 10:26 PM
Copperhead,
No, not Montana. Paris, Tennessee. He actually lives in this house full time. His kids go to school right here by me also.

Tooz_69GIAP
06-16-2007, 04:33 AM
Originally posted by BrewsterPilot:
I'm having a discussion with a friend of mine, and we're wondering how many people outside of Finland have heard the name

Carl Gustaf Emil Mannerheim

before?
He's just about the most famous person in Finnish history.
Please reply honestly. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif


Thanks,
BrewsterPilot

Well, I'd be surprised if many people didn't know who he was in the context of a WWII oriented forum!! But I do find it funny that he is the most famous modern Finn, but as a Swedish speaking Finnish nobleman with a limited grasp of Finnish (although from what I understand, many Finns struggle with Finnish http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif ), he needed a translator to understand the Finnish communiques, and send out his orders, etc!!

luftluuver
06-16-2007, 04:49 AM
Originally posted by Tooz_69GIAP:
Well, I'd be surprised if many people didn't know who he was in the context of a WWII oriented forum!! But I do find it funny that he is the most famous modern Finn, but as a Swedish speaking Finnish nobleman with a limited grasp of Finnish (although from what I understand, many Finns struggle with Finnish http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif ), he needed a translator to understand the Finnish communiques, and send out his orders, etc!! I'm not from what I have seen here.

joeap, Currie was a Cdn General during WW1. Because of him, Vimy Ridge was taken by Cdn soldiers with a lot less casualties than was normal for WW1. Had a bit of a scandal hanging over his head as well.

Who knows about a Major J.M. Walsh and what his claim to fame was?

HotelBushranger
06-16-2007, 05:38 AM
Originally posted by Aimail101:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BaronUnderpants:
Finlands supreme commander during Finish winter war and WWII and later, president.

thats pretty much all i know.....despite the fact im Swedish. Sry http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blush.gif

Dont the Swedes hate the Finns? I have a Swedish friend who says most swedes feel that Finland should be theres even though they ran like pussies in the face of the Russians? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That man is a fool. Yep, Mannerheim is a leg(end). Pwned the dirty Russians good.

BaronUnderpants
06-16-2007, 09:16 AM
Originally posted by Aimail101:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BaronUnderpants:
Finlands supreme commander during Finish winter war and WWII and later, president.

thats pretty much all i know.....despite the fact im Swedish. Sry http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blush.gif

Dont the Swedes hate the Finns? I have a Swedish friend who says most swedes feel that Finland should be theres even though they ran like pussies in the face of the Russians? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hate Finns?...if we have any true brothers in scandinavia it would surley be the Finns. Maby its more the other way arround, Finns dont like Swedes...for historic reasons...dont know really.

But maby thats due to my own history intrest...from 1500- onwards.

As for your friend, well...i never in my whole life heard anyone in sweden say they hate the Finns or that we should still rule in Finland...if anyone would have, they would be laughed out of the room. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif


And the "run like **** in face of russians" is more than i know from the history books....what century would that be? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


On the other hand if u where to say "kicked the russians asses arround like a football"...i could have given u several examples throughout history....with the epriciated help of Finns i might add..or Hakkapäliter if u will. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

joeap
06-16-2007, 11:20 AM
Originally posted by luftluuver:

joeap, Currie was a Cdn General during WW1. Because of him, Vimy Ridge was taken by Cdn soldiers with a lot less casualties than was normal for WW1. Had a bit of a scandal hanging over his head as well.

Who knows about a Major J.M. Walsh and what his claim to fame was?

Good one luftluuver http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

I'm afraid you got me there with Major Walsh, no I won't google now. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

luftluuver
06-16-2007, 01:05 PM
Originally posted by joeap:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Who knows about a Major J.M. Walsh and what his claim to fame was?

Good one luftluuver http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

I'm afraid you got me there with Major Walsh, no I won't google now.: </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I'll give a hint > a big American defeat.

-HH-Quazi
06-16-2007, 02:02 PM
Originally posted by Monterey13:
Copperhead,
No, not Montana. Paris, Tennessee. He actually lives in this house full time. His kids go to school right here by me also. Howdy neighbor! Been to Paris many times. Put in at Paris Landing for a bit of fishing on several occasions many years back.

Choctaw111
06-16-2007, 03:30 PM
Almost sounds like a submachine gun to me http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif . Other than that I have never heard of him.

Monterey13
06-16-2007, 06:11 PM
I put in at Paris Landing just today, Quazi. We were out on the lake all day. You should get with me on JO TS sometime and we'll arrange a get together on the lake.

Viking-S
06-17-2007, 11:57 AM
"The White Butcher" comes to mind. Did I get that from Väinö Lina?

Viking

Viking-S
06-17-2007, 12:15 PM
OMFG! Almost forgot about the most important stuff! The Marschalkens sup! He was a heavy drinker (by today's standard) and this is what he drank to lunch. Only two schnapps off curse! Good stuff and I believe similar schnapps is produced under the name "hjulia ryppia" or something similar. Enjoy!



Marskalkens av Finland Gustaf Mannerheim snaps

(Marskin ryyppy. The snaps of the marshal of Finland Gustaf Mannerheim)


50 cl vodka
50 cl aquavit e. g. Skĺne akvavit, O P, or Linjeakvavit
3 cl dry vermouth
1 cl gin