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msalama
06-15-2005, 11:42 AM
Do you have any idea how versions 4.00 and 4.01 differ?

LStarosta
06-15-2005, 11:43 AM
They differ in officialness.

Or was it officiality...?

msalama
06-15-2005, 11:48 AM
That's all? Hmmm...

Jetbuff
06-15-2005, 11:49 AM
If anyone does know the differences right off the bat outside of the beta-testers, they're lying. Heck, we barely had time to appraise 4.0 properly, how can anyone know the differences between it an 4.01 when it's only been released today?

nakamura_kenji
06-15-2005, 11:58 AM
ki-61 and ki-100 seem overheat slower now so can get slight more speed ^_^ sidlslip rudder ball thing seem easier keep center

ploughman
06-15-2005, 12:05 PM
No patches for months and then two come along at the same time. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Kwiatos
06-15-2005, 12:20 PM
in 4.01 there is much less torque effect then 4.00 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

msalama
06-15-2005, 12:24 PM
Hmmmm again...

SeaFireLIV
06-15-2005, 12:24 PM
To be honest I think the differences to 4.00 and 4.01 are extremely minor, probably slight alterations to net code. Really, between 4.00 and 4.01 it`s been just a week, not enough time for major tweaks and release.

MADP
06-15-2005, 12:24 PM
Has the Spitfire prop bug been fixed???

iggy42
06-15-2005, 01:07 PM
No - both the new Spits missing nose in cockpit and when viewed from behind in exterior http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Popey109
06-15-2005, 01:08 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif NO!!! it hasn't http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gif

Aero_Shodanjo
06-15-2005, 01:29 PM
One thing for sure, there is no PF stand alone 4.0 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

womenfly
06-15-2005, 01:39 PM
That's easy ... "one has two zeros after the four and the other has a zero an a one after the four" ..... Geeee, simple! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

msalama
06-15-2005, 01:56 PM
Indeed http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Anything else you've noticed? Because I'm not too sure whether I'm going to switch over just yet...

womenfly
06-15-2005, 02:32 PM
4.01 ... 140 MB (147,832,341 bytes)
4.00 ... 140 MB (147,831,346 bytes)

Difference .. 995 bytes

File is only 1 kb bigger ... can't be to much of a difference? ... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Chadburn
06-15-2005, 02:42 PM
Originally posted by msalama:
Indeed http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Anything else you've noticed? Because I'm not too sure whether I'm going to switch over just yet...

You guys and gals talk about switching over as if once you do, it's a done deal. Just back up your IL2 folder contents in your Ubi Soft folder,and give the folder a new name, like IL-2 Sturmovik Forgotten Battles 3.04m ...or 4.00m..or whatever version you have.

Then install whatever patch you want. To fly whatever version you want from the same desktop icon, just rename the folder to its default name: IL-2 Sturmovik Forgotten Battles and you're good to go. That way you can test for yourself what the difference between the versions are.

I always do this when a new patch comes out just in case there's a problem and I need to re-install.

Genie-
06-15-2005, 03:05 PM
mk 151/20 is AGAIN pure SHI*! just as in 3.04, and shvak is again master of the sky!

this is pathetic

Zyzbot
06-15-2005, 03:22 PM
Originally posted by Genie-:
mk 151/20 is AGAIN pure SHI*! just as in 3.04, and shvak is again master of the sky!

this is pathetic

Just did a couple of tests...they seem fine to me. A 1/2 second burst from FW-190A-6 downed the Tempest. did it twice. 109 took a bit longer but then it has 1 cannon vs. 4 on the FW.

crazyivan1970
06-15-2005, 03:30 PM
Originally posted by Genie-:
mk 151/20 is AGAIN pure SHI*! just as in 3.04, and shvak is again master of the sky!

this is pathetic

See an eye doctor http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

LEXX_Luthor
06-15-2005, 03:35 PM
4.01 is bigger number than 4.0, like 100 is bigger than 38, 47, 51, and even bigger than 84 and that set off a Panic here when Ki~100 was announced, so ya I can see a Panic starting.

marcocomparato
06-15-2005, 03:36 PM
Originally posted by iggy42:
No - both the new Spits missing nose in cockpit and when viewed from behind in exterior http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

thats a known bug involving non-official nvidia drivers (which i use myself. love the speed of the 77.x) but its not usually a developer's job to scope in beta drivers.

run on latest official 71.x drivers from their site and problem solved. just missed textures

Chuck_Older
06-15-2005, 04:20 PM
Originally posted by Genie-:
mk 151/20 is AGAIN pure SHI*! just as in 3.04, and shvak is again master of the sky!

this is pathetic

I like how you back up your complaints with the raw, hard data we like to see when people make off the cuff claims http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

DONB3397
06-15-2005, 04:40 PM
The 'torque effect' seems less pronounced for the tail-draggers than it did in 4.0. That makes carrier takeoffs somewhat less complicated, but carrier landings in a Corsair require more precise angle of attack and approach speed (less forgiving). Land takeoffs show very little torque on most a/c, although the Spitfire requires a gradual power input. The tendency to porpoise is definitely reduced.

IMO, ground handling is much easier for the tail-draggers in 4.01m.

No opinion on the hitting power of MGs and Canons. But with reduced torque effect, the fish tailing seems less when you set up to fire. As a gun platform, the planes I've tried seem more stable.

Overall, I like the patch a lot. The sim seems far better (and more fun) than it did with 3.04m.

SeaFireLIV
06-15-2005, 04:52 PM
Do a complete reinstall. Previously with 4.01 over 4.00 my Spit was not torquing much and bending the prop at speed on take off.

With a fresh install + 3.03+ 3.04 + 4.01 she now torques and bends the prop at speed.

I think 4.01 is ok. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

jurinko
06-15-2005, 04:52 PM
hmm I just dived with Hien + 2x250kg on an airbase online and had to apply almost full left rudder to keep the baby flying straight. The nature sceneries from open cockpit were awesome.

Hunde_3.JG51
06-15-2005, 05:03 PM
But Seafire, wouldn't that suggest that those without clean install would have an advantage with an easier/simplified FM? Personally I am doing a clean install as I do with every patch. I would be very surprised if the two were different, but I guess anything is possible. I do clean install just to ensure game smoothness and stability.

Genie-
06-16-2005, 01:10 AM
Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Genie-:
mk 151/20 is AGAIN pure SHI*! just as in 3.04, and shvak is again master of the sky!

this is pathetic

I like how you back up your complaints with the raw, hard data we like to see when people make off the cuff claims http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

of course I will, yesterday I didn't have time to do that but basically what I have did is take bf109 g2 to test mk151/20 and also 2 La5, 2 A20 and 2 LaGGs as my targets. I have shoot at them from 200 , 150 and 100 meters AND I have done the same with La5.

The results were more then interesting

ShVAK is stronger and the MK-151/20 is weaker then in 4.00.

and yes torque is almost non existent.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Arms1
06-16-2005, 01:19 AM
what hunter said http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/2441047033/p/2

Vike
06-16-2005, 01:46 AM
Originally posted by Genie-:
mk 151/20 is AGAIN pure SHI*! just as in 3.04

Same statements here http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

I've played BF109F4 with bots vs Spitfires MkVIII & MkVc with bots also,with "Ace Skill" for everyone;

In 4.00m> A MG151/20mm shot gave a broken wing,or big damages...Aces bot even obtained exploding spitfires with several MG151/20 shot...

I did this mission about 5 or 6 times,same results.

The same mission now
In 4.01m>A MG151/20mm shot gives nothing,or some pathetic little broken pieces of fuselage painting... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
Aces bot don't manage to kill spitfires as easily as before,and when they manage to do a kill with a plenty of MG151/20mm bullets in fuselage,they only obtain a breakage of spits'fuselage (instead of explosion in 4.00m in such a case)

I have done this mission three times,and...same results.

It's a pity.Again.

@+

<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">[EDIT] I've re-done my tests
It is still possible to explode allied planes (spit & co) with the MG151/20mm!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
I've just played again my mission a fourth time,and it was a true Spitfires-exploding Show!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Ohtherwise,Blue-Ace-Bots in 109s seem clearly less agressive than those from 4.00m patch,that's why i lost so many times this mission i think.

Genie-,retry the MG151/20! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
Thx Oleg & Maddox!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif</span>

WTE_Ibis
06-16-2005, 03:05 AM
Originally posted by womenfly:
That's easy ... "one has two zeros after the four and the other has a zero an a one after the four" ..... Geeee, simple! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Some versions have a zero on their six.

anarchy52
06-16-2005, 03:16 AM
I only flew two sorties in MustangIII on WC:

- No torque worth speaking of
- "on rails" FM, no need for rudder in turns
- Gunnery as easy as 3.x
- Takeoff and landing trivial, rudder effective at 30km/h, savagely slamming throttle from idle to WEP on the ground easily countered by brakes/rudder, no tendency to groundloop. Same with slamming the throttle while flying at 250km/h go from 0 to full WEP, no need to use rudder.
- no need to trim (just the elevator)
- Roll rate increased to 3.x level
- Stalls dampened?

First sortie:
3 kills:
- Bf-109 (dewinged, single burst from 6 level)
- Bf-109(shot controls and killed engine, single burst from 6 level)
- FW-190 (no visible damage but it was obvious by the way it flew it was severely damaged - aimed at the wing root, crashed)

Damaged:
Smoked one Bf-109 - lost him in the clouds
Hit one 190 - lost him in the clouds
Smoked one Bf-110 - run out of ammo

Total 62 .50 hits (first two kills took 38 hits), all ammo expended (I'm definitelly inexperienced with pony and 50 cal gunnery)

I got hit by Bf-110 rear gunner, noticed thin trail of smoke, no visible or audible damage. Evaded 2 FW-190s for a few minutes then RTB.

Second sortie:
Vaporized by two 1.5-2.0 sec bursts from FW-190 (first crippled me, second exploded pony to vapor)

My experience so far was based on only 2 sorties. After that I kind of lost the motivation for further testing. Will do today...probably.

Hope this is some kind of a joke.

msalama
06-16-2005, 05:47 AM
You know, I just can't make neither heads nor tails about this lot. Some say the v.4.01 FM is porked, others say it's unchanged from v.4.00.

Now ain't that weird or what? Because y'see, changing something as profound as the FM usually tends to get noticed by everyone. But no, it's like 50-50 now... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

But what the hey, gotta draw my own conclusions when I get back home & try it later on...

Chuck_Older
06-16-2005, 10:09 AM
Originally posted by Genie-:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Genie-:
mk 151/20 is AGAIN pure SHI*! just as in 3.04, and shvak is again master of the sky!

this is pathetic

I like how you back up your complaints with the raw, hard data we like to see when people make off the cuff claims http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

of course I will, yesterday I didn't have time to do that but basically what I have did is take bf109 g2 to test mk151/20 and also 2 La5, 2 A20 and 2 LaGGs as my targets. I have shoot at them from 200 , 150 and 100 meters AND I have done the same with La5.

The results were more then interesting

ShVAK is stronger and the MK-151/20 is weaker then in 4.00.

and yes torque is almost non existent.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You did one test, two times, and that's your proof?

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gifThis link may be of interest to you
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63110913/m/9941039033

Chuck_Older
06-16-2005, 10:10 AM
Originally posted by msalama:
You know, I just can't make neither heads nor tails about this lot. Some say the v.4.01 FM is porked, others say it's unchanged from v.4.00.

Now ain't that weird or what? Because y'see, changing something as profound as the FM usually tends to get noticed by everyone. But no, it's like 50-50 now... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

But what the hey, gotta draw my own conclusions when I get back home & try it later on...

That's because it's people's imagination that it's different. It's almost 100% the same, two things have been changed

Gustav_flyer
06-16-2005, 11:57 AM
I liked 4.0 better than 4.01. I fly WC alot as JG27_Gustav. The torque effect is almost nill and it appears the spits are back to their 3.04 ways. 4.0 was a good fix, 4.01 is a step back. Oleg, you had it but lost it.

Genie-
06-16-2005, 12:07 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gifThis link may be of interest to you
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63110913/m/9941039033

well dear ol' chap you seem not to come from slavic bloodline?

HelSqnProtos
06-16-2005, 12:22 PM
Rgr that, MG151/20 ROCKS.

Shvak not even close, better than 4.0 but no where near MG 151/20

arcadeace
06-16-2005, 01:17 PM
Aside from some readmes the only difference in versions is this file, files.SFS.

A guy in the PF forum gave its link for those of us who already had V.4 to download, I think at around 18 megs. Hunter said this is the file which deals with the FMs and apparently agreed its the only one changed. I renamed and backed up my V4.0 file and put this newer dated one in my FB folder and now I have V4.01.

Hunter's quote: "1 specific [change] is SBD and torque effect when on the carriers...you no longer basically run right of the side of the deck in 3 ft lol...small changes but definitly different than just a version number change as the post I replied to. FM resides in the files.sfs file"

joeap
06-16-2005, 02:11 PM
Originally posted by Gustav_flyer:
I liked 4.0 better than 4.01. I fly WC alot as JG27_Gustav. The torque effect is almost nill and it appears the spits are back to their 3.04 ways. 4.0 was a good fix, 4.01 is a step back. Oleg, you had it but lost it.

Did you read the above link or what? Or are you pretending to be think?

Read it again nimrod cure (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63110913/m/9941039033)

Read my lips, two changes: SBD torque and FW fuel consumption. THAT'S IT.

Chuck_Older
06-16-2005, 02:23 PM
Originally posted by Genie-:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gifThis link may be of interest to you
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63110913/m/9941039033

well dear ol' chap you seem not to come from slavic bloodline? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

May I take this to mean you have no further reason to say your tests produce conclusive results?

PS
racial slurs are prohibited on these forums. My ethnic extraction is of no concern, old boy http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

Genie-
06-17-2005, 05:03 AM
PS
racial slurs are prohibited on these forums. My ethnic extraction is of no concern, old boy http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

well.. I can make remarks about my OWN racial and ethnic remarks.. now do I?

so basically what I want to say is..

don€t believe to everything what is served to you.

but you already know that.. but all that matters that you precious spit is now. much much closer to what it was as before...

but.. harder doesn€t mean more realistic, I hear you...

Genie-
06-17-2005, 05:04 AM
Originally posted by Genie-:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">PS
racial slurs are prohibited on these forums. My ethnic extraction is of no concern, old boy http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

well.. I can make remarks about my OWN racial and ethnic source.. now do I?

so basically what I want to say is..

don€t believe to everything what is served to you.

but you already know that.. but all that matters that you precious spit is now. much much closer to what it was as before...

but.. harder doesn€t mean more realistic, I hear you... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

msalama
06-17-2005, 05:11 AM
It's almost 100% the same, two things have been changed

Yeah, that's true, checked & confirmed. I did some testing myself yesterday night and couldn't find anything weird...

Yskonyn23
06-17-2005, 05:35 AM
*sigh* and the threads keep going on and on....