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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 06:51 AM
Last saturday (14th June) General Günther Rall visited Aviation Museum of central Finland in Tikkakoski.
He first came to museum ( and I was able to change a few words with him and I also got his autograph there), then he went to Officiers Club of Tikkakoski and there he told highlights of his career (lastes about 90 minutes). At last he went back to museum and there was an interview that lasted about an hour.
Here is something that he told in the Officiers Club

- His first kill was a French plane
- he flew about 800 combat missions
- in his post as a instructor he flew almost all western fightertypes and all german types, with Me262 40 hours, with Dora just one flight
- in all his combatflights he used Me 109
- F model was his favourite plane of all Me's
- La-7 was most dangerous russian plane
- P-39 was easy to kill because it's motor was behind the pilot, it usually went down in flames after few hits (actually he told this in the museum, not in the Club)
- it is not the plane, but the PILOT in the plane that is important (but surely a pilot with a better plane can do IT better)
- Me-109 and FW-190 could kill P-51 and P-47 if pilot just knew how to use his plane
- Me, Fw, Spit, Thunderbolt, Mustang..they all were good planes, but when ME, Fw and Spit could fly about 90 minutes, P-47 could fly twice that, and Stang could fly 7 hours... and that is why he thinks P-51 was better than the others
- P-47 was not manouverable and it could be killed easily, but when a german pilot had used his ammunition he could not escape P-47, because it was vere fast in dive and it's structural strenght was marvellous
- Yankees had some fighter groups and aces (like Gabreski) who were ordered to fly low and hunt those german fighters that came to land after they had used their fuel and ammunition while hunting bombers. That is why some USAAF planes were camouflaged while others were beautiful silver-birds
- after the war he flew T-33, P-80, Sabre, Phantom and few other planes. He liked most of Sabre, P-80 and Me-262 were same kind of birds...
- best thing ever happened to him... he married his wife

I found that he is a great person. He doesn't think that he is a hero, he just did hi's job as good as he could. What pleased me was that he didn't tell us about his numerous kills (only kill he described us was his first kill), but instead he told us how he was wounded, how he was shot down etc. Very modest man.

After all this I thought that it had been stupid to tell him about flightsims and 'wargames' we all play with FB.
I don't think that it is stupid to play but I think it had been as foolish like someone go and tell Wayne Gretzky that I have seen you once in a hockeygame... I felt players like me are so much below of him... he has faced death many times, we seldom do that in the game!

And this Mustang -thing he told us... I have allways been a DORA-lover... maybe I must start to love Mustang too

Anyway, I got his autograph, pictures of him ( and I took pictures of a restored P-39 and Me-109G6). As soon as I get a web-page, I will post a link so those hwo want can see them

Regards

SheerLuck Holmes

XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 06:51 AM
Last saturday (14th June) General Günther Rall visited Aviation Museum of central Finland in Tikkakoski.
He first came to museum ( and I was able to change a few words with him and I also got his autograph there), then he went to Officiers Club of Tikkakoski and there he told highlights of his career (lastes about 90 minutes). At last he went back to museum and there was an interview that lasted about an hour.
Here is something that he told in the Officiers Club

- His first kill was a French plane
- he flew about 800 combat missions
- in his post as a instructor he flew almost all western fightertypes and all german types, with Me262 40 hours, with Dora just one flight
- in all his combatflights he used Me 109
- F model was his favourite plane of all Me's
- La-7 was most dangerous russian plane
- P-39 was easy to kill because it's motor was behind the pilot, it usually went down in flames after few hits (actually he told this in the museum, not in the Club)
- it is not the plane, but the PILOT in the plane that is important (but surely a pilot with a better plane can do IT better)
- Me-109 and FW-190 could kill P-51 and P-47 if pilot just knew how to use his plane
- Me, Fw, Spit, Thunderbolt, Mustang..they all were good planes, but when ME, Fw and Spit could fly about 90 minutes, P-47 could fly twice that, and Stang could fly 7 hours... and that is why he thinks P-51 was better than the others
- P-47 was not manouverable and it could be killed easily, but when a german pilot had used his ammunition he could not escape P-47, because it was vere fast in dive and it's structural strenght was marvellous
- Yankees had some fighter groups and aces (like Gabreski) who were ordered to fly low and hunt those german fighters that came to land after they had used their fuel and ammunition while hunting bombers. That is why some USAAF planes were camouflaged while others were beautiful silver-birds
- after the war he flew T-33, P-80, Sabre, Phantom and few other planes. He liked most of Sabre, P-80 and Me-262 were same kind of birds...
- best thing ever happened to him... he married his wife

I found that he is a great person. He doesn't think that he is a hero, he just did hi's job as good as he could. What pleased me was that he didn't tell us about his numerous kills (only kill he described us was his first kill), but instead he told us how he was wounded, how he was shot down etc. Very modest man.

After all this I thought that it had been stupid to tell him about flightsims and 'wargames' we all play with FB.
I don't think that it is stupid to play but I think it had been as foolish like someone go and tell Wayne Gretzky that I have seen you once in a hockeygame... I felt players like me are so much below of him... he has faced death many times, we seldom do that in the game!

And this Mustang -thing he told us... I have allways been a DORA-lover... maybe I must start to love Mustang too

Anyway, I got his autograph, pictures of him ( and I took pictures of a restored P-39 and Me-109G6). As soon as I get a web-page, I will post a link so those hwo want can see them

Regards

SheerLuck Holmes

XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 06:54 AM
Cool! Tell us more if you can

XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 07:03 AM
great one

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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 07:30 AM
My friend videoed ( is this a real word??) the interview in the Officiers Club. As soon as I get a copy of it I will try to translate it and post it here...
Just be patient....

SheerLuck Holmes

XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 07:39 AM
What a great experience! Thanks for sharing it.


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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 07:40 AM
Cool dude!! keep us informed!

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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 10:55 AM
Great thread - please please feel free to put teh pictures on my squadron image gallery page, well over 100 pictures now and climbing http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 12:45 PM
Thanks Matt... I will post some pictures tonight

P.S. really good pictures in your squadron's album

XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 12:52 PM
Absolutely Great! Ausum I wish we had more of those kind of things going on around here. Or I'm out of the loop and am missing them.


Most defenitely keep us posted.

SheerLuckHolmes wrote:

After all this I thought that it had been stupid to
- tell him about flightsims and 'wargames' we all play
- with FB.

You Deduced this on your own AYE Mate?

LOL I think I would of too. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 01:22 PM
SheerLuckHolmes wrote:
- Last saturday (14th June) General Günther Rall
- visited Aviation Museum of central Finland in
- Tikkakoski.



You left out one important aspect about gunther Rall,
and that is he is funny !!

He came to the Air & Space museum a while ago, with Walter Shcuk, and Chuck Yeager, and he was a blast !
He did talk about several of his kills, and being shot
down, and the rest you mentioned.
I loved it when he said 'You americans have to understand, how shall I put it... Every time we took off, we had a target rich enviroment"

Just like Gen Yeagers saying that they liked to hang around the B 24 groups, as the Germans went after them
in prefference to the B 17's


All Great men !!!

XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 03:14 PM
SheerLuckHolmes wrote:
-- P-39 was easy to kill because it's motor was behind the pilot, it usually went down in flames after few hits
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I've actually noticed this in FB. I find it amazing that real life experiences can be mimicked by a flightsim. This game rocks! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 03:17 PM
LoL /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif



- You left out one important aspect about gunther
- Rall,
- and that is he is funny !!
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- He came to the Air & Space museum a while ago, with
- Walter Shcuk, and Chuck Yeager, and he was a blast !
- He did talk about several of his kills, and being
- shot
- down, and the rest you mentioned.
- I loved it when he said 'You americans have to
- understand, how shall I put it... Every time we took
- off, we had a target rich enviroment"
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- Just like Gen Yeagers saying that they liked to hang
- around the B 24 groups, as the Germans went after
- them
- in prefference to the B 17's
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- All Great men !!!
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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 03:26 PM
Awww, ya lucky so and so!/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 04:02 PM
Thanks so much for sharing. Tell us more!!!

XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 04:08 PM
Pretty cool stuff. I had seen him on TV, and commented on him saying he thought the enemy planes were pretty good. Glad to see you backed it up. Gunther is a very likable guy. It's to bad that war forces us to fight each other.

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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 04:43 PM
Gunther Rall seems like a very cool person. I would hate to have run into him in combat though.

Interesting how alot of these German aces ended up allies with their former US adversaries while serving in NATO. Many became close friends.

War is screwed up.


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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 11:23 PM
Wonder why GrendelB hasn't post this already here. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Anyway, here is the virtualpilots report of the Rall's in Finland.

http://www.virtualpilots.fi/feature/photoreports/guntherrall2003/

XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 11:31 PM
AWESOME Thread Sheerluck!

Good contris as well. I'd love to have seen Rall and Yeager toguether /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Sheerluck if you need webspace to hosting the pics I'd be more than glad to offer some space for those pics in my webspace.


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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 11:47 PM
Harbo

Good read. Thanks.

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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 11:59 PM
"Today's world is what do I get. Those days they asked what can I give. Different life."


Such simple words... and yet they say so much.

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XyZspineZyX
06-17-2003, 12:53 AM
I certainly wish that more threads were like this one. Thank you SheerLuck. AWESOME! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-17-2003, 01:02 AM
BuzzU wrote:
- Harbo
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- Good read. Thanks.
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Have you already checked out virtualpilot's history pages. There many interesting interview of Finnish pilots and aces. Gives you a really good first hand information what it was like up there. Everyone should read these IMO. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
06-17-2003, 01:03 AM
You are a lucky man SheerLuck.


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XyZspineZyX
06-17-2003, 01:08 AM
Thanks SheerLuckHolmes/Harbo


You see guys this is what the GD forum is all about! We need more of this. Between all of us involved, we can naile gems like this stuff all the time.

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XyZspineZyX
06-17-2003, 05:03 AM
bump.

Ja te atendo, Tche!

XyZspineZyX
06-17-2003, 11:50 PM
up up you go!




Message Edited on 06/17/0310:51PM by Harbo