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mcpolle1
07-14-2005, 11:10 AM
Hello gentlemen,
I have heard a lot about track IR, and would like to hear from some people that have used it.

Is it worth the money, what does it actually do in game.

Thx

Polle

Eraser_tr
07-14-2005, 11:26 AM
absolutely worth it. It allows you to control the direction of your view with your head movements, some games, even the location of your eyepoint.

I've had it for 6 months. flying without using it is like being back in the days of 2D cockpit panels.

knightflyte
07-14-2005, 11:39 AM
I've had Track IR for three years now and I feel it's the BEST investment I made in the enjoyment of flightsims.

I have HOTAS and rudder set up, but would give THAT up in a second if I had to choose between TRACK IR and the HOTAS and rudder peddles.

As far as flying..........I always relate the first BnZ tactic I employed while using TRACK IR. Normally you would use the hatswtich as you would pass your intended victim. (mine was a Russian bomber) Then invert and swing down for another pass. Now imagine performing that manuever with TIR. With your own head movement you smoothly look around as you invert for your second pass AND the illusion is that it FEELS SO NATURAL. The first time you do a BnZ you'll know what I mean.

Your situational awareness will improve, and the REALITY FACTOR increases exponentially.

Another reason I like TIR is that once you get accustomed to using it you REALLY notice the EYE candy in the game. Your ability to 'take things in' is reliant on a more natural viewing meathod verses the awkward hatswitch.

If simming is a hobby you enjoy, and spending the money is worth it to get the best enjoyment you can out of your hobby, then run.....dont walk....do not collect $200.00....go directly to the Natural Point site (or E Dimentional site)and ppurchase one.

Priest185
07-14-2005, 11:41 AM
Hear, hear, I've had TrackIR I for years and am still getting a lot of use out of it. Even the old "I" that used to have problems with interference, has been greatly improved by new drivers. I read that the new "3 Pro" is awesome, and if IL2/BoB ever goes for the "6DoF" or six degrees of freedom, allowing you to "lean in the cockpit" to gain some visibility past the nose,(right now this is only supported by MS products,) then I will definitely buy it.
Nevermind any rubbish you hear about resource usage, as I have neither experienced it, or even read about it. I have only heard complaints from those that have heard complaints of resource hogging from a "friend of a friend".
So, in a nutshell, if you want to keep your hands dedicated to your flying and still be able to scan the sky and your instruments, this is a must have.Try it, for once you do, there will be no going back.
Also, if you do get it and have any questions or problems getting it set up, post here or at the TIR forums. Help is just a post away.

h**p://forums.naturalpoint.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?category=1

NL_snake_eye_NL
07-14-2005, 11:42 AM
hi

I got track-ir 3 pro now for 3 months and can't fly without it! but you need to get used to it but after that...... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

greetz snake eye

knightflyte
07-14-2005, 11:49 AM
Oh, PLUS you free your hat switch for mapping anything you ned. I mapped rudder trim to the hat switch left and right, while neutral rudder trim is on the hat switch in the 180 position. The zero degree hatswitch position is for view....close medium and farther back in the pilot seat.

Dumbo_AK32nd
07-14-2005, 12:20 PM
Originally posted by mcpolle1:
Is it worth the money, what does it actually do in game.

ABSOLUTELY worth the money! Going to TrackIR has as big an impact on your flight sim experience as going from trying to fly using the keyboard to using a joystick.

Some people will tell you there's a big learning curve. For some, maybe...for others, no big deal. I personally had the hang of it in less than 30 minutes. Now, I rarely use the game's padlock functions anymore...a couple of externals now and then to maintain SA, but not at all "in-cockpit." TrackIR is THAT good!

And the set-up is incredibly simple. You can adjust all sorts of settings to your own liking, but I just picked out their default "combat flight" setting and was good to go!

han freak solo
07-14-2005, 01:17 PM
Top notch piece of hardware. I've had my TrackIr2 for about a year now. It changes the game completely. Get it, faaast!

VF-17_Jolly
07-14-2005, 01:28 PM
Get the hat too (You feel like a plum with a dot on your forehead) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif
Seriously the hat is a must also fork out for the 6dof which hopefully will be available in BOB

bzhyoyo
07-14-2005, 01:30 PM
Absolutely worth every cent. You really feel inside a 3D environment, not in front of a 2D image (especially with 6DOF).

knightflyte
07-14-2005, 03:07 PM
I feel like a guava mellon myself.

FoolTrottel
07-14-2005, 03:17 PM
Yes!

But maybe you do not need the hat.
I use these:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v668/fooltrottel/GlassesTIR.jpg
(But I'm still wondering wether I would look a greater Fool with a reflective hat than with them glassless glasses ... )

Have Fun!

VF-17_Jolly
07-14-2005, 03:26 PM
http://www.supermanhomepage.com/images/characters/who-images/clark2.jpg
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
When you buy the 6DOF vector expansion you get a hat anyway

VF-29_Sandman
07-14-2005, 04:06 PM
i highly recommend track ir. makes life much easier, and frees up the hat to be converted into buttons (via programming) into things u could use more: prop pitch, trim tabs...u get the idea).

it comes with reflective dots for the sensor to pick up and work the panning in game. problem: dots are a bit too small. solution: go to wal-mart, and get a roll of silver reflective tape (about a buck), and cut a 2"x2" square and put it on the tip of the headset mic. this will give the sensor alot more area to pick up and will make panning even smoother.

learning curve: about 2 weeks. after 2 weeks of track ir, u'll never go back to the hat switch. it's a highly essential item like a hotas/rudder set-up.

stansdds
07-14-2005, 05:35 PM
Track IR is just plain awesome!!! I have the Pro 3 version with Vector expansion. Unfortunately, the extra planes of movement are not usable in Pacific Fighters, but are a real benefit in MS Flight Sim 2004.

T_O_A_D
07-14-2005, 05:57 PM
Nice glasses, http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif still using my origional set, posted in the link in my sig. What diameter is your reflective ball. I'm still using the 3/4 inch I first tried. Still smooth as ever and even better after I moved up from TIR1 to TIR 3 pro.

http://home.mchsi.com/~tagalong/Frontflash.JPG

http://home.mchsi.com/~tagalong/Ball_Hat.jpg




Originally posted by FoolTrottel:
Yes!

But maybe you do not need the hat.
I use these:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v668/fooltrottel/GlassesTIR.jpg
(But I'm still wondering wether I would look a greater Fool with a reflective hat than with them glassless glasses ... )

Have Fun!

Firebird_79vRAF
07-14-2005, 07:27 PM
~S~

OMG YES!!

I cant say much more than what has been said here already. I'd go outside naked before going without the TrackIR. Well, before I did it sober anyway. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Worth every penny and then some, Im thinking of buying another one just for a spare. You will definately want the vextor expansion hat, makes life so much better. I ordered without and within a couple weeks ordered it, so save yourself some shipping.



http://www.79vraf.com

timholt
07-14-2005, 09:26 PM
I would not play any sim now that does not support TIR.
Definately worth the investment.

Feathered_IV
07-14-2005, 09:43 PM
So, you set it up and wear the dot. Then when you turn your head to the left and squint to the right you see the screen pan to the left. Is that right?

Oh dear, I'm all confused http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

GAU-8
07-14-2005, 11:32 PM
feathered..

its eisier than what it sounds.

basically your eyes look at the monitor, while you move your head around. its worth the money.

the best thing i can recomend is TURN OFF/DISABLE/RE-KEY HATSWITCH VIEWS.

when i first got it.. i really felt jipped. i couldnt get the hang of it..my body made sence to it, but my brain was going "whaaaa???" and i kept going back to hatswitch for the first few days. doing so increased the ile noggin going "pick a **** routine!" disabled hatswitch views, and stuck with trak-ir. got over it easy!

Tallyho1961
07-15-2005, 01:33 AM
Have you ordered yet?

asgeirr73
07-15-2005, 03:34 AM
I have the Tir 3pro you can use an ordinary baseballcap and just add the reflective dot or square to the front of the peak

works very well for me now
(lost track in some extrems before that)

if you don`t buy the vectorexp that is and you get the hat anyway http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

WWSensei
07-15-2005, 05:19 AM
Originally posted by Feathered_IV:
So, you set it up and wear the dot. Then when you turn your head to the left and squint to the right you see the screen pan to the left. Is that right?

Oh dear, I'm all confused http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

You scale how much you want to turn your head. It only takes about 5-10 degrees of turn to go from looking straight ahead to looking over your shoulder.

The difference is about as much as pointing my nose at the center of the monitor to pointing it at the edge of the monitor.

I would fly with keyboard and trackIr (sans joystick) before I would fly with a joystick and no trackir to give you some sense of my satisfaction of the product.

I simply don't *think* about views anymore. At all. My hatswitch is now used for trimming---as God intended. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Feathered_IV
07-15-2005, 07:10 AM
My hat switch is currently set for a combination of things like +/- FOV and seat up/down etc. I havent used it to pan around since the days of CFS2. Since FB I've always used the mouse for looking around, although I found the sensitivity had to be increased to 2x to get a reasonable response speed.

I've been considering getting TIR for a while now (or maybe pedals first).
Maybe now is the time http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

mcpolle1
07-15-2005, 08:07 AM
Well guys thanks for all the feedback, it sounds like the next investment I will be making will be a Track IR.
But which version should I get, and I live here in Europe, so does anyone have any good links to where I can get it from??

Thanks again guys and galls

Polle

Firebird_79vRAF
07-15-2005, 03:01 PM
~S~

I recommend eDimensional thats where I ordered mine from with no complaints and they ship worldwide.

Heres the link and the cost came out too 93.78 GBP for the pro and the vector expansion and hat, yes you want those. Overnight to myself in Canada they charged $21.99 US, not sure what yours would be.

http://www.edimensional.com/index.php?currency=GBP&cPat...96f0fcca30d102213b80 (http://www.edimensional.com/index.php?currency=GBP&cPath=24&ref=137&sort=2a&osCsid=bd8242d05e0d96f0fcca30d102213b80)

Nimits
07-15-2005, 07:19 PM
Track IR and a good set of rudder pedals are the best purchases you can make for this game!

VooDoo-MEOW-
07-15-2005, 10:32 PM
I am not an experienced flyer. When my squadmates started flying PF, they talked me into trying it. And, truth be told, I hated it. I couldn't see a dammed thing, and I wasn't dextrous enough to use the keyboard, stick, and mouse at the same time. I died constantly, couldn't stay on a bandits tale for the life of me, and my landings blew chunks. I really hated this sim.

Enter TrackIR, given to me for my BDay by my squad mate. My flying got infinitely better, and I can now take on a whole wing of FW's and make it out alive. My enjoyment of the sim has risen beyond reportable levels, and the sim is much more immersive. The sense of true flight is amazing.

I suggetst getting the Vector softwar, as it really smooths things out, and you can use the scalable vectoring in other sims. It's worth the money, and I would suggest flyers getting the TrackIR before spending the big bucks on a quality HOTAS. You can fly on a cheapy stick, but you can fly better with a cheapy stick and the TrackIR. Then, save for the good HOTAS and rudder pedals. CH Products RULE!

BrotherVoodoo
07-16-2005, 08:19 AM
Every flight sim fan/nut NEEDS this. This is about as important as the joystic itself for control and immersion! I just got my TIR3 Pro with the vector kit a week ago from Natural Point an I am not dissapointed at all. It is truly worth every penny. I used freelook and cam2pan before and the accuracy of the TIR3pro has no comparison. I have to recenter MAYBE once every 6 games. And there is no snap to center, I hated that with the cam solutions. Now it is nice and smooth. I can get a beer come back and my look returns to dead center. BoB is supposed to be able to support the additional movements for 6D0F!!! Trust me, you want this.

FoolTrottel
07-16-2005, 11:39 AM
Originally posted by Feathered_IV:
My hat switch is currently set for a combination of things like +/- FOV and seat up/down etc. I havent used it to pan around since the days of CFS2. Since FB I've always used the mouse for looking around, although I found the sensitivity had to be increased to 2x to get a reasonable response speed.

I've been considering getting TIR for a while now (or maybe pedals first).
Maybe now is the time http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

No, not maybe! It surely is!

Me too was thinkin' before I got them: How could this be working? Looking at the screen, ánd turning yer head? How?
But, it just takes some getting used to it... and after that ... it's great ...

But, you do have a difficult choice: Pedals or TIR, TIR or Pedals ...

Well, get them both!
Go for the TIR, and as for pedals, here's a cheap solution (you might have seen it round here already, but just to be sure, here I go again!)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v668/fooltrottel/Rudder1a.jpg
Have Fun!

Siwarrior
07-17-2005, 04:41 AM
How much does Track ir 2 cost is Aus $?

han freak solo
07-17-2005, 07:15 AM
Here's TrackIr hat version 3,234,789. It took a month of development back in the summer of 2004 to get to this stage. It works very well for the user (Me).

The distance from the face provided allows two things to happen which can be crucial.

#1. The user can sit further from the TrackIr camera.

#2. Head movement is amplified compared to a reflective dot on the forehead.

Unfortunately, the hat on your head still looks as silly as a dot on the forehead. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif But, at least it allows quick detachment and reattachment.

I don't think this would work with the 6DOF of the TrackIr3. I only have a TrackIr2. If anyone wishes to donate a TrackIr3 for scientific research, I would gladly give a receipt to the benefactor for tax purposes. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

http://www.lssdigital.com/Hat01.jpg

http://www.lssdigital.com/Hat02.jpg

T_O_A_D
07-17-2005, 09:01 AM
FoolTrottel I guess you missed my poste earlier. About the size of the ball on your glasses.

Could you please read and reply.

I know I can sit back about 3 feet with no ill affect on my TIR sensitivity. Am curious just how well a smaller one like yours works.

Vacillator
07-17-2005, 10:30 AM
TOAD, I'm using a ball very similar to the second pic in your first post here, maybe 15mm or 3/4" (haven't got a ruler handy). It's covered in tacho tape and stuck on the peak of a cap. Works great. Got the idea from your good self many many moons ago, so thanks.
As for the original question, buy one as soon as you can. Worth every penny (or cent). Situational awareness, far easier tracking of targets done the proper way etc. etc.
To Feathered, it's not so much a 'squint to the right' or left, as you don't need to turn your head much (in fact you can do it by leaning but that doesn't seem right). Up and down is the same story, not a lot of movment to get full 'deflection'.

FoolTrottel
07-17-2005, 11:27 AM
Originally posted by T_O_A_D:
FoolTrottel I guess you missed my poste earlier. About the size of the ball on your glasses.

Could you please read and reply.

I know I can sit back about 3 feet with no ill affect on my TIR sensitivity. Am curious just how well a smaller one like yours works.

Oops, sorry I missed that one.
I'm using one of the reflective dots that came with the TIR3 Pro, and it's an 8mm (1/3inch?) one.
It works okay, the dot's usually 50-60cm away from the TIR. (That would be about 2 feet then?)

I've been looking at your mod, and wondered if it would be better... but then again, I find this one is working okay ... whenever it looses it's tracks, it re-centers w/o me having to take any corrective actions..

ashley2005
07-17-2005, 04:59 PM
anyone know a good site to buy it from .. any uk sites ?

T_O_A_D
07-17-2005, 11:27 PM
Thanks for the reply, I'll leave it be then Mine never looses track at 3/4 of an inch.

Your welcome Vacillator I posted it just for you http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Bearcat99
07-18-2005, 05:59 AM
If you have the cash go for it.... I like it.. although often when I am lining up a shot believe it or not I turn it off because I move around too much... Im ducking and weaving in my chair..... cant help it..... but I like it anyway and it really adds to immersion.

XyZspineZyX
07-18-2005, 09:05 AM
Hello,

I am sorry to say this but my trackIR 3 pro as a special attachment with three point of reflection not one and also needed to register the product before I could you the real great "PRO" functions. But it is worth it.
TrackIR rocks.

Have a nice day or night.

Sensei.

dxtopher
07-18-2005, 09:08 AM
Originally posted by Bearcat99:
If you have the cash go for it.... I like it.. although often when I am lining up a shot believe it or not I turn it off because I move around too much... Im ducking and weaving in my chair..... cant help it..... but I like it anyway and it really adds to immersion.

Just got my Trackir and find that I do the same when I get involved in the action. Do you have a key or joystick button that you have programmed to turn off the Trackir temporarily? Thanks!

Firebird_79vRAF
07-18-2005, 09:22 AM
~S~

Default disable is F9
Default centre is F12


The vextor expansion corrects this problem as it allows for much more head movement.

dxtopher
07-18-2005, 10:25 AM
Many thanks!!

Raptor_20thFG
07-19-2005, 09:43 AM
worth it would not fly without ut

jamesdietz
07-21-2005, 10:09 AM
Get it - get hat & get the add-ons & patches...game is 100% improved...I could not play it without it!

Bearcat99
07-21-2005, 08:35 PM
Originally posted by dxtopher:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bearcat99:
If you have the cash go for it.... I like it.. although often when I am lining up a shot believe it or not I turn it off because I move around too much... Im ducking and weaving in my chair..... cant help it..... but I like it anyway and it really adds to immersion.

Just got my Trackir and find that I do the same when I get involved in the action. Do you have a key or joystick button that you have programmed to turn off the Trackir temporarily? Thanks! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I changed it.. I forgot what it is but you can make it whatever you want it to be... I have it on my trottle in mode 1.

TgD Thunderbolt56
07-22-2005, 10:06 AM
I use my numpad "enter" key to turn it off and the numpad "-" (minus) key to center. I don't do it much but having them handy over on the right is convenient.


TB

PriK
07-22-2005, 04:35 PM
You guys that turn it off for aiming and such are missing out on one of the best aspects of TIR/vector.

Take your favourite profile and adjust the center part of the curves down to look like a "V" or a "U". This will create a zone of lessened or "dead" sensitivity that will allow you to have some freedom of movement (scratch your nose, crack your neck, whatever http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif) without the view going haywire.

Basically, you will have to spend a bit of time tweaking it to get it right for your preferences but it's well worth it. Whenever you are looking center or aiming the view won't move, and eventually you'll find you need less and less deadzone as you get more used to flying with TIR. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Taking the time to learn how the sensitivities of each axis relate to view movement in-game will not only save an extra programmable button on your joystick (and fumbling for it) but will eventually make you forget you're even using it.

cheers

T_O_A_D
07-22-2005, 06:26 PM
I run my profile Linear totaly flat, and I don't turn it off. I t might make it tougher for me but the Imersion is worth it. Becasue in RL your head would be everywhere.