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XyZspineZyX
06-21-2003, 01:46 AM
I think it would be nice to give the Germans some bi-planes to fight the I-153 and I-16.

Arado Ar-68
Single seat biplane fighter [open cockpit]
one 690 or 750 HP vee-12 engine
Max speed 335KMH
2x 7.92m MG's in upper fusalage
Could carry up to 60KG of external stores
Used as a night-fighter as late as September 1939 with 10 (Nacht) JG-53 at Oedhim/Heilbron

Avia B-534
Single seat biplane fighter [closed cockpit]
one 830hp vee-12 engine
Max speed of 415KMH
4x 7.92mm MG's in fusalauge/wing, and one 7.92mm MG or 20mm cannon fireing through propellor shaft.
Bomb load of 120KG.

I suggest we make the 7.92mm MG the stock nose gun, and allow the 20mm cannon to be selected as an armament option.

Information above taken from "Aircraft of World WarII" by Chris Chant.

I would like somebody to look over the maximum speeds as they seem too high.

XyZspineZyX
06-21-2003, 01:46 AM
I think it would be nice to give the Germans some bi-planes to fight the I-153 and I-16.

Arado Ar-68
Single seat biplane fighter [open cockpit]
one 690 or 750 HP vee-12 engine
Max speed 335KMH
2x 7.92m MG's in upper fusalage
Could carry up to 60KG of external stores
Used as a night-fighter as late as September 1939 with 10 (Nacht) JG-53 at Oedhim/Heilbron

Avia B-534
Single seat biplane fighter [closed cockpit]
one 830hp vee-12 engine
Max speed of 415KMH
4x 7.92mm MG's in fusalauge/wing, and one 7.92mm MG or 20mm cannon fireing through propellor shaft.
Bomb load of 120KG.

I suggest we make the 7.92mm MG the stock nose gun, and allow the 20mm cannon to be selected as an armament option.

Information above taken from "Aircraft of World WarII" by Chris Chant.

I would like somebody to look over the maximum speeds as they seem too high.

XyZspineZyX
06-21-2003, 02:59 AM
the Avia B-534 would be perfect in FB..........we need more early war fighters!!!!!!!!

HONK HONK HONK - TheGoose

XyZspineZyX
06-21-2003, 03:59 AM
*Bump*

rgr that, the Luftwaffe guys need one of those two [prefferably the B-534] to fight the I-153/I-16 plauge. I just got done flying an IS mission, the Axis got their butts kicked. The B-534 would even the game out.

XyZspineZyX
06-21-2003, 05:53 AM
Don't tell me nobody knows what those are...

XyZspineZyX
06-21-2003, 10:49 AM
well...../i/smilies/16x16_man-happy.gif

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Hungary used these at the start of Barbarossa, and it mainly engaged I-16 and I-153 with fair success. It was also used for ground attack.

Germany used them too. So, the Axis will have a good biplane soon, and when the G. Gladiator makes it in the game, we will have some of the best biplanes (and last).

S!


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XyZspineZyX
06-21-2003, 11:08 AM
Im still missing the hs123

http://www.btinternet.com/~jj_b/vaw/images/hs123.jpg


In the fight against the Soviet army it showed more than noteworthy abilities. Often it carried for 4x SC50 and two mg FF or two AB container with 92 SC-2 Bombs. It was also admits heavy battle damage to away-put. 1943 wanted front officers the resumption of the production of the HS123. It flew until 1944 with the II/SG2.

But the Falco is also great Xanty!

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Message Edited on 06/21/03 10:09AM by JG53-Falkster

Message Edited on 06/21/0310:10AM by JG53-Falkster

XyZspineZyX
06-21-2003, 11:26 AM
yeah, that Avia was used by Slovak Air Forces against Hungarians in 1939, then against Soviets in 1941 and the last victory was achieved in September 1944 (!!) when during the anti-German uprising one Avia shot down a Hungarian Tante-Ju (Ju-52) near city of Banska Bystrica in Middle Slovakia

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"The picture repeats itself when operations, which began with great intent and local successes, degenerated into senseless, wild hammering at fixed front-line positions once they encounter initial heavy losses and unforeseen situations. This incomprehensible phenomenon appears again and again. But, even in extremis, the Russian is never logical; he falls back on his natural instinct, and the nature of the Russian is to use mass, steamroller tactics, and adherence to given objectives without regard to changing situations."

German 9th Army report after repulsing the Soviet offensive "Mars" in Rzhev bulge, December 1942.

XyZspineZyX
06-21-2003, 01:09 PM
The Avia had some unique features.
1. It ran (as did all czech planes) on a 50% mixture of gasoline and alcohol.
2. Takeoff was strange. You first took off with the main wheels, while the tail skid was still on the ground. The avia had a very powerful engine for its size (basically the same type as the Yak had) and it literally pulled the plane from the ground.

The Bk-534 AFAIK never had a 20mm cannon. They mostly had three MGs, but never a cannon.

http://people.freenet.de/JCRitter/1sigklein.jpg

XyZspineZyX
06-21-2003, 02:22 PM
The more biplanes the better imo/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

The Avia B-534 & Henschel 123 would make a perfect addition with the Fiat Cr42 & Gloster Gladiator/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
06-21-2003, 02:23 PM
I also want early-war aircraft, but the best way to get the planes you want is to go to il2center.com , find out if someone else is making it, get Max and make it yourself.

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XyZspineZyX
06-21-2003, 08:16 PM
theRealAntEater wrote:

- The Bk-534 AFAIK never had a 20mm cannon. They
- mostly had three MGs, but never a cannon.
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B534k had 20mm Hispano cannon. "k" means kanon (cannon)


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"The picture repeats itself when operations, which began with great intent and local successes, degenerated into senseless, wild hammering at fixed front-line positions once they encounter initial heavy losses and unforeseen situations. This incomprehensible phenomenon appears again and again. But, even in extremis, the Russian is never logical; he falls back on his natural instinct, and the nature of the Russian is to use mass, steamroller tactics, and adherence to given objectives without regard to changing situations."

German 9th Army report after repulsing the Soviet offensive "Mars" in Rzhev bulge, December 1942.

XyZspineZyX
06-22-2003, 12:04 AM
Yes, K means "Kanona" or something else like that in czech.

But AFAIK the cannon (20mm HS 404 I think) was only installed in prototypes. The serial produced Bk-534 didnt get them. I forgot why, either because of license trouble (french gun), technical difficulties (nose cannon installation wasnt entirely mastered in the 1930s) or shortage of weapons, but most if not all Bk-534s ended up with 3 MGs.
I read the Bk variant was less popular with pilots because it had less firepower and less performance than the normal B-534.
Anyway, the 534 is definitely my favorite Biplane, even though I wasnt able to see it in Prague-Kbely (Museum was closed last easter when I was there)

http://people.freenet.de/JCRitter/1sigklein.jpg

XyZspineZyX
06-22-2003, 04:48 AM
OK, I would go for the 534 with the MG setup.

But I read it had 4 MG's and one 20mm or 7.92 in the nose. Maybe the one with 5x MG's?

XyZspineZyX
06-22-2003, 05:09 AM
Don't forget the 7.92 MGs don't even scratch the I-153 and the I-16

Also, how come that luftwaffe got their butts kicked by I-153's with monoplanes and would have won with biplanes?

XyZspineZyX
06-22-2003, 05:40 AM
Well, we have to live with the MG's.

We need bi-planes for those OKL piots who try to turn fight I-153's.

XyZspineZyX
06-22-2003, 05:59 AM
Do they have P11c furballs online anywhere?

I~153s vs I~16s would be neat too.

XyZspineZyX
06-22-2003, 10:01 AM
*BUMP*

XyZspineZyX
06-23-2003, 06:53 AM
Hmm, "bumping" this isn't working anymore...

*Drop-Kick!*

XyZspineZyX
06-23-2003, 10:33 AM
Well the Heinshel gets my vote.it is an object of beauty.~S~