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FrankieSatt
11-16-2010, 05:16 PM
It's a shame that games today come with limited printed manuals, now I get a game with NO printed manual.

I'm sorry, that isn't "Saving The Environment" it's CHEAP. There is a thing call RECYCLING that people use.

It's things like this that irk me and really think twice about how good the gaming company is. If they are too CHEAP to give you a printed game manual than what else are they cutting back on?

CourtJestGaming
11-16-2010, 05:21 PM
Could always hit the Pause/Start button, then read the In-Game Manual http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Most companies cut costs back on manuals now, especially since adding them in-game like ACB, and not to mention Player Guides have kind of taken over Manuals in a sense as well.

And if I may say, the Collecter's Game Guide is pretty nice.

Harold18
11-16-2010, 05:24 PM
Hmmm you sure about that FrankieSatt? i just watched an unboxing video pf the codex edition on youtube and the game did have a game manual check it out yourself and its around the 5:16 mark

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ayuuf8QHHI

FredEx919
11-16-2010, 05:24 PM
I'm a big fan of the old school game manuals myself and wish that more games included these, but I also think that with the digital manual included in game a lot more information was able to be included then normally would with a paper manual.

FrankieSatt
11-16-2010, 05:33 PM
Originally posted by Harold18:
Hmmm you sure about that FrankieSatt? i just watched an unboxing video pf the codex edition on youtube and the game did have a game manual check it out yourself and its around the 5:16 mark

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ayuuf8QHHI

There is a card that has the controller buttons on it and a message saying that the manual is in game because of "Saving The Environment", which is a load of crap by the way but I really don't want to get into "Environmentalism".

By the way, I appreciate UbiSoft Support answering the topic. Kudos to them. However, it doesn't cost much to make the cheap manuals that we get now a days and even that much is better than a card with just the controller buttons.

At the very least, give me something I can print out. While still CHEAP, it's better than in game manuals. I prefer a hard copy to read instead of having to read it on the screen.

Assassin-2012
11-16-2010, 05:37 PM
Originally posted by FrankieSatt:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Harold18:
Hmmm you sure about that FrankieSatt? i just watched an unboxing video pf the codex edition on youtube and the game did have a game manual check it out yourself and its around the 5:16 mark

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ayuuf8QHHI

There is a card that has the controller buttons on it and a message saying that the manual is in game because of "Saving The Environment", which is a load of crap by the way but I really don't want to get into "Environmentalism". </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You must have the regular copy....thing is you get the little extras for paying more.

lilbacchant
11-16-2010, 05:43 PM
Count me in the class of "old school" as well. For years and years I had this ritual:

1) Put game in to load/install.
2) Start reading manual.
3) Game makes it to the Intro screen.
4) Continue reading manual while keeping an eye out for any opening trailers/sequences as they cycle.
5) Finish reading manual (but keep it handy for consulting).
6) Pick up controller.
7) Take a deep breath.
8) Smile.
9) Hit the Start button.

I'm gonna miss you, dear ritual. Unfortunately, game companies have tossed you unceremoniously into a dustbin that they call progress. Sigh. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

lilbacchant
11-16-2010, 05:46 PM
Originally posted by Assassin-2012:
You must have the regular copy....thing is you get the little extras for paying more.

So your point is that we should have to pay extra for a friggin game manual? Nice.

Gypsy816
11-16-2010, 05:53 PM
Originally posted by FredEx919:
I'm a big fan of the old school game manuals myself and wish that more games included these, but I also think that with the digital manual included in game a lot more information was able to be included then normally would with a paper manual.

I agree plus it saves a lot of trees! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

FrankieSatt
11-16-2010, 05:54 PM
Originally posted by Assassin-2012:You must have the regular copy....thing is you get the little extras for paying more.

There is NOTHING, either single or combined, in the Collectors Edition that is good enough for a $100 price tag. That is $40 more than just the game.

I payed $60 for the game + Tax and for that we should at least get the cheap manual.

@Gypsy I'll say it again, RECYLCING?

cptn_k
11-16-2010, 06:05 PM
I like not having to read a manual before I can start a game.

I don't read manuals for anything else either (electricals, cars, flat pack furniture, etc)...much more fun just getting stuck in http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif

bokeef04
11-16-2010, 06:18 PM
that's life, it's the same reason Microsoft doesn't allow you to turn your xbox on or off by voice with the kinect(also they said that if they included one people would expect the other)

such is life, and until people stop whinging at the companies about how they are killing the tree's man, they are going to do stuff like that as it makes people feel better about buying from a "green company", in Australia it is illegal for a farmer to clear his land of tree's yet the government has no problem expanding the big cities

@FrankieSatt do you realise how much energy it takes to recycle? it is actually more enviromentally sound to REUSE, the problem is the rights groups that protest without proper knowledge, e.g wanting mulesing banned, yes mulesing isn't the nicest thing in the world, but neither is being flyblown

FrankieSatt
11-16-2010, 07:10 PM
Originally posted by bokeef04:
that's life, it's the same reason Microsoft doesn't allow you to turn your xbox on or off by voice with the kinect(also they said that if they included one people would expect the other)

such is life, and until people stop whinging at the companies about how they are killing the tree's man, they are going to do stuff like that as it makes people feel better about buying from a "green company", in Australia it is illegal for a farmer to clear his land of tree's yet the government has no problem expanding the big cities

@FrankieSatt do you realise how much energy it takes to recycle? it is actually more enviromentally sound to REUSE, the problem is the rights groups that protest without proper knowledge, e.g wanting mulesing banned, yes mulesing isn't the nicest thing in the world, but neither is being flyblown

I feel less likely to buy something from a company that resorts to being CHEAP and use the ruse of "Saving The Environment" to justify it.

I'll just leave it with this, next time UbiSoft don't be cheap. Give us a printed manual or give us a way to print one out ourselves.

bokeef04
11-16-2010, 08:33 PM
Originally posted by FrankieSatt:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by bokeef04:
that's life, it's the same reason Microsoft doesn't allow you to turn your xbox on or off by voice with the kinect(also they said that if they included one people would expect the other)

such is life, and until people stop whinging at the companies about how they are killing the tree's man, they are going to do stuff like that as it makes people feel better about buying from a "green company", in Australia it is illegal for a farmer to clear his land of tree's yet the government has no problem expanding the big cities

@FrankieSatt do you realise how much energy it takes to recycle? it is actually more enviromentally sound to REUSE, the problem is the rights groups that protest without proper knowledge, e.g wanting mulesing banned, yes mulesing isn't the nicest thing in the world, but neither is being flyblown

I feel less likely to buy something from a company that resorts to being CHEAP and use the ruse of "Saving The Environment" to justify it.

I'll just leave it with this, next time UbiSoft don't be cheap. Give us a printed manual or give us a way to print one out ourselves. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

just to clarify i agree with you FrankieSatt, i like having a printed manual to read(helps when i can't actually play the game)

could be worse, i got a single piece of paper with my new computer case with a picture of my case on it, no words, took me awhile to figure out what it was meant to be showing me(the other great part was needing to go online to get the manual to actually put my PC together, which makes no sense, much like the "do you want to check online for a solution to your problem" when trying to troubleshoot internet connection problems

I'll just leave it with that i hope with the next AC game they include a printed manual or atleast a printable manual

Redfeather1975
11-16-2010, 08:38 PM
I like virtual manuals better.
Maybe the physical world would be bitter and resent me for saying that, but I don't care! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

MerrinAuditore
11-16-2010, 09:45 PM
You should be happy you have the game http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I'm sure there's a manual somewhere.

KZarr
11-17-2010, 05:22 AM
throw them out the window! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9I_xhaDyxs)

cptn_k
11-17-2010, 06:25 AM
Originally posted by KZarr:
throw them out the window! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9I_xhaDyxs)

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Genius!

Grandmaster_Z
11-17-2010, 07:11 AM
i like reading manuals while im takin a dump

Rainie
11-17-2010, 07:46 AM
I don't miss the paper manual at all. Games these days, not just ACB, usually have a tutorial ingame that you can go through to learn the controls. I'd much rather get a strategy guide that gives me more info than a pamphlet

kleaneasy
11-17-2010, 07:58 AM
Originally posted by FrankieSatt:
It's a shame that games today come with limited printed manuals, now I get a game with NO printed manual.

I'm sorry, that isn't "Saving The Environment" it's CHEAP. There is a thing call RECYCLING that people use.

It's things like this that irk me and really think twice about how good the gaming company is. If they are too CHEAP to give you a printed game manual than what else are they cutting back on?

The Ďcheapí theory is debatable. IF a game has no real tutorial and comes with no manual I would agree it could be called, cheap... lazy even, but if weíre talking about AC Brotherhood it canít be accused of either of those.

Now without spoiling for anyone yet to play I can assure you having played it, the game provides a very thorough tutorial.....the game is the manual. Iím sure if someone wanted to calculate the math between cost of producing a paper manual to the additional game design time & costs in providing that plentiful tutorial it would at the very least work out equal although I suspect this method is likely more costly. Either way though the lack of paper manual is not a tactic to save money and certainly not cheap http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Blackglasswar
11-17-2010, 09:07 AM
IF a game has no real tutorial and comes with no manual I would agree it could be called, cheap... lazy even, but if weíre talking about AC Brotherhood it canít be accused of either of those.

Either way though the lack of paper manual is not a tactic to save money and certainly not cheap http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

I am glad that Ubisoft have realised that game manuals are only good if the game doesn't provide an adequate tutorial. I maybe look at 1/100 manuals.

TheXenon
11-17-2010, 12:16 PM
Originally posted by FrankieSatt:
It's a shame that games today come with limited printed manuals, now I get a game with NO printed manual.

I'm sorry, that isn't "Saving The Environment" it's CHEAP. There is a thing call RECYCLING that people use.

It's things like this that irk me and really think twice about how good the gaming company is. If they are too CHEAP to give you a printed game manual than what else are they cutting back on?

It's cheaper for them and more convenient for us, I don't know wtf you're crying about.

Mr_Shade
11-17-2010, 12:23 PM
Also the statement about stopping manuals was made many months ago - [in April I think?] and also ACB is not the first game to have an in game only Manual [shaun white skatboarding] http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I personally never read them, apart from the button layout - which is included, but as already said the game really does not need one...

obliviondoll
11-17-2010, 01:28 PM
I wish ALpha Protocol had a manual that actually explained things, but with Assassin's Creed, literally everything is explained in-game anyway.

Games which are just pick up and play, no manual isn't a big deal.

I understand the need for a good manual in games which are actually complex, or when there are various stats that don't seem to make much sense, but in Assassin's Creed, everything about the gameplay is fairly clear and understandable.

If you want to see a game which needed a proper manual, look at Alpha Protocol. Each weapon and outfit had a selection of stats, and the manual mentioned nothing about any of them. And there was no in-game reference to explain them either.

Having an explanation of what the weapon stats in AC2 actually meant would have been nice, but 3 stats with descriptive names is better than 5 or 6 which all sound like they do the same thing.

Elatreus
11-17-2010, 01:36 PM
What I'm worried about is now there's no manual, will we still get that "new game smell" when we first open up the case!? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Being serious now, the only time I only ever read maunuals now, is when I'm installing a game. The past assassin creed manuals were pretty good too read though, with thoose quirky comments added in by lucy or vidic.

Mr_Shade
11-17-2010, 01:37 PM
Originally posted by Elatreus:
What I'm worried about is now there's no manual, will we still get that "new game smell" when we first open up the case!? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Being serious now, the only time I only ever read maunuals now, is when I'm installing a game. The past assassin creed manuals were pretty good too read though, with thoose quirky comments added in by lucy or vidic. Well it does have a printed fold out in there.. so it will smell of something I would imagine?

I have a promo copy - so I didn't get even that http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

SleezeRocker
11-17-2010, 02:08 PM
My gaming ritual was always like this:
1. Tear off plastic(if new game)
*1a-If new, enjoy the "New" smell of the box, am I theon ly one who does that? I don't htink it's weird =D*
2.Pop disc in
3. Open the game manual-Read Controls, Backstory,etc (Looks for possible codes to redeem online)
4. Place manual back in case,
5. Start game
6. Face when playing a new game- "=O"
lol

xsatanicjokerx
11-17-2010, 02:39 PM
6. Face when playing a new game- "=O"
lol
lol I open my mouth when i play as well. i dont know why it just happens. I sort of looks like a brain dead zombie. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

its_cheez
11-17-2010, 08:46 PM
Originally posted by MerrinAuditore:
You should be happy you have the game http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I'm sure there's a manual somewhere.
well wasn't that helpful? telling u how u should feel.
Really though, its ridiculous that they have thousands of people that work on these games (see the Credits). Why not cut costs there? You got all these people and still every game has unbelievable bugs when they're released anyway.
But no. They think removing a manual will alleviate that, but still charge an arm-&-a-leg ($60). We ain't buying that environmantalism crap. Too bad we all like games so much http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif cuz this kinda behavior screams for a boycott.

DarkicoN14
11-17-2010, 09:00 PM
who the hell still uses a manual anyways?

Caligula__
11-18-2010, 02:17 AM
I got a manual with my Codex Edition

N311V
11-18-2010, 05:08 AM
Originally posted by Vx_McTavish_xV:
I got a manual with my Codex Edition

Me too.

Blackglasswar
11-18-2010, 06:23 AM
Really though, its ridiculous that they have thousands of people that work on these games (see the Credits). Why not cut costs there? You got all these people and still every game has unbelievable bugs when they're released anyway.

ugh - how many people do you think it takes to make a decent game... if it weren't for those 1000's of people you'd be a lot more ticked off! Everyone has a part to play in the making of a game from QA through to art and distribution across regions etc so yes... 1000's of people get their names in the credits for their contribution... how someone working out a marketting strategy for Holland will be involved in bug testing I don't know, but nt having a manual is far from the worst thing a games company can do.

My list of unforgivables;
#5 Poor character models
#4 Poor colision detection
#3 Poor script writing
#2 Bad disc writing
#1 Overhyping (e.g. Haze/ Street Fighter/ Lost Planet)

FredEx919
11-18-2010, 07:06 AM
Originally posted by SleezeRocker:
My gaming ritual was always like this:
1. Tear off plastic(if new game)
*1a-If new, enjoy the "New" smell of the box, am I theon ly one who does that? I don't htink it's weird =D*
2.Pop disc in
3. Open the game manual-Read Controls, Backstory,etc (Looks for possible codes to redeem online)
4. Place manual back in case,
5. Start game
6. Face when playing a new game- "=O"
lol


And all this time I thought I was the only one that took a sniff of the game case after opening http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Coolgerb
11-18-2010, 08:50 AM
Originally posted by lilbacchant:
Count me in the class of "old school" as well. For years and years I had this ritual:

1) Put game in to load/install.
2) Start reading manual.
3) Game makes it to the Intro screen.
4) Continue reading manual while keeping an eye out for any opening trailers/sequences as they cycle.
5) Finish reading manual (but keep it handy for consulting).
6) Pick up controller.
7) Take a deep breath.
8) Smile.
9) Hit the Start button.

I'm gonna miss you, dear ritual. Unfortunately, game companies have tossed you unceremoniously into a dustbin that they call progress. Sigh. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Exactly the same ritual here.
Haven't been able to unbox ACB yet as the mailman thought it'd be a great idea to deliver it at a time when almost everyone is at university / work so I have to wait until tomorrow...
But if what people are saying is true about Ubisoft claiming they're not giving manuals due to it being better for the environment, that's pathetic.
We all know Ubisoft is a company, and obviously companies want as much money as they can get. Tell your marketing boys to be honest next time, as some of your fans actually do posses enough intelligence to easily figure out the real reason, and we get offended if you treat us like we're idiots.

Blackglasswar
11-18-2010, 09:20 AM
okay... so even if this was a cost cutting procedure... what would you rather have;

£100,000 poured into making, producing, packaging, QA'ing a manual
OR
£100,000 poured into game to make it the best it can be?

I know what I would prefer

ViNyLek
11-18-2010, 09:26 AM
I don't even know why anyone would need a manual nowadays. Unless you're totally new to games that is... Controls are pretty much the same in all AC games and you do not want to start this adventure with Brotherhoods!!!

Having said that it would be nice to have a maunal a la first AC where it even immersed you more, when reading as if you were one of the assassins ( if I recall correctly - been couple of years:-P), but I can leave without it and won't lose any sleep over it.

I mean the best manual is in game introduction to controls, which every game must have ( some even give you options to skip - which is awesome!)

Coolgerb
11-18-2010, 09:48 AM
Originally posted by Blackglasswar:
okay... so even if this was a cost cutting procedure... what would you rather have;

£100,000 poured into making, producing, packaging, QA'ing a manual
OR
£100,000 poured into game to make it the best it can be?

I know what I would prefer

That's like saying good whiskey doesn't deserve a good bottle and package.

cptn_k
11-18-2010, 03:08 PM
Originally posted by Coolgerb:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Blackglasswar:
okay... so even if this was a cost cutting procedure... what would you rather have;

£100,000 poured into making, producing, packaging, QA'ing a manual
OR
£100,000 poured into game to make it the best it can be?

I know what I would prefer

That's like saying good whiskey doesn't deserve a good bottle and package. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Surely it's the quality of the actual game/whiskey that matters most?

Gypsy816
11-18-2010, 05:47 PM
Originally posted by FredEx919:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SleezeRocker:
My gaming ritual was always like this:
1. Tear off plastic(if new game)
*1a-If new, enjoy the "New" smell of the box, am I theon ly one who does that? I don't htink it's weird =D*
2.Pop disc in
3. Open the game manual-Read Controls, Backstory,etc (Looks for possible codes to redeem online)
4. Place manual back in case,
5. Start game
6. Face when playing a new game- "=O"
lol


And all this time I thought I was the only one that took a sniff of the game case after opening http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nope I do too. New game smell ahhhhh. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Forsakerr
11-18-2010, 05:50 PM
Originally posted by Assassin-2012:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FrankieSatt:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Harold18:
Hmmm you sure about that FrankieSatt? i just watched an unboxing video pf the codex edition on youtube and the game did have a game manual check it out yourself and its around the 5:16 mark

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ayuuf8QHHI

There is a card that has the controller buttons on it and a message saying that the manual is in game because of "Saving The Environment", which is a load of crap by the way but I really don't want to get into "Environmentalism". </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You must have the regular copy....thing is you get the little extras for paying more. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

i bought the CE and i only got a booklet with only the controller buttons as an instruction manual , so yeah i paid more and i still got a crap manual

KnightRobby
11-18-2010, 05:56 PM
As long as they have an in-game manual I am fine with it, but I never look at the manual. Saves money for developers and trees too http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

If there is ONE thing I do love - and it does come with the collector's edition - is the large maps, like from Red Dead or GTA IV. Now those really do help!

its_cheez
11-18-2010, 06:39 PM
Oh my god! no Manual? Really?!
I absolutely will not be getting this game then. There is no way it's worth playing this game after reading about this travesty.

<Somebody needs to develop a new font that easily conveys sarcasm> http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


p.s. my earlier post: just a buncha fluff. Just as gas prices keep increasing even as more companies add 10% Ethanol, there is no way any game developer cost-cutting measures will reduce game costs. We consumers gotta take our medicine & deal with the price-gouging

LaCava1
11-18-2010, 08:46 PM
I finally got mine in the mail today. And guess what?


I got a manual.

Coolgerb
11-19-2010, 04:17 AM
Originally posted by cptn_k:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Coolgerb:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Blackglasswar:
okay... so even if this was a cost cutting procedure... what would you rather have;

£100,000 poured into making, producing, packaging, QA'ing a manual
OR
£100,000 poured into game to make it the best it can be?

I know what I would prefer

That's like saying good whiskey doesn't deserve a good bottle and package. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Surely it's the quality of the actual game/whiskey that matters most? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Only someone who doesn't truly enjoy whiskey would say that. Whiskey drinkers, gamers, etc. who care a lot about their main point of interest, want a complete package.

DARTH_W00KIE
11-19-2010, 04:25 AM
haha yeah i went to look at the manual all it had was the controller scheme's and a bunch of legal stuff

persiateddy95
11-19-2010, 04:30 AM
Ubi announced they were stopping making printed manuals for games. To help save the world.

Ubisoft is going from a video game publisher to a 'Help Save The World' thingie.

It may be helpful, but I don't like the idea.

Blackglasswar
11-19-2010, 06:38 AM
Originally posted by Coolgerb:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by cptn_k:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Coolgerb:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Blackglasswar:
okay... so even if this was a cost cutting procedure... what would you rather have;

£100,000 poured into making, producing, packaging, QA'ing a manual
OR
£100,000 poured into game to make it the best it can be?

I know what I would prefer

That's like saying good whiskey doesn't deserve a good bottle and package. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Surely it's the quality of the actual game/whiskey that matters most? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Only someone who doesn't truly enjoy whiskey would say that. Whiskey drinkers, gamers, etc. who care a lot about their main point of interest, want a complete package. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

How about this whisky?

http://www.royalmilewhiskies.c..._vintage=ALL&=cat_id (http://www.royalmilewhiskies.com/product.asp?pf_id=6000000000784&name=&sfile=1&order=PRICE%20DESCENDING&rm_age=ALL&rm_volume=ALL&apply_whisky_filters=true&rm_maturation=ALL&rm_price_group=Above%20%A3100&rm_bottler=ALL&rm_chillfiltered=ALL&use_filters=1&rm_alc_volume=ALL&rm_vintage=ALL&=cat_id)

Doesn't have nice packaging but is still fantastic and over £1000. I can't believe this thread is STILL going.

To add gas to the fire... I got a manual with mine!

cptn_k
11-19-2010, 06:45 AM
Originally posted by Blackglasswar:

To add gas to the fire... I got a manual with mine!


*adds more gas*

me too!

FrankieSatt
11-19-2010, 06:47 AM
The reason this thread is still going is because it's a legitimate complaint. Some might not care, but others do.

There are some, like me, who want a printed manual to read without having to read it in game. Why should I have to load up the game to read the manual, which I would read while installing the game on my XBox hard disk.

Blackglasswar
11-19-2010, 06:52 AM
do something else then whilst it installs... knitting, push ups, Project Legacy!

you'll only install once so you'll only read it once by that logic. Then it becomes redundant.

FrankieSatt
11-19-2010, 06:59 AM
Originally posted by Blackglasswar:
do something else then whilst it installs... knitting, push ups, Project Legacy!

you'll only install once so you'll only read it once by that logic. Then it becomes redundant.

I read the manual for AC, AC II, TES Oblivion, Star Trek Armada, Star Trek Bridge Commander, Far Cry 2, and many others every single time I play the games again.

There are some who enjoy a little bit of reading to get into the feel of the game before playing them.

Blackglasswar
11-19-2010, 10:09 AM
Originally posted by FrankieSatt:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Blackglasswar:
do something else then whilst it installs... knitting, push ups, Project Legacy!

you'll only install once so you'll only read it once by that logic. Then it becomes redundant.

I read the manual for AC, AC II, TES Oblivion, Star Trek Armada, Star Trek Bridge Commander, Far Cry 2, and many others every single time I play the games again.

There are some who enjoy a little bit of reading to get into the feel of the game before playing them. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Meh - bored now. Maybe I'll go PLAY the game.

Nadaclos
11-19-2010, 12:01 PM
Screw the trees XDDDDDDD

I want my super colored with some awesome art user manual...Seriously i dont like to pause the game, im even get mad to pause to read about borgia`s captains (at least they should put a shorcut to read about them).

its_cheez
11-19-2010, 04:10 PM
Originally posted by cptn_k:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Blackglasswar:

To add gas to the fire... I got a manual with mine!


*adds more gas*

me too! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>What? Did you eat the manual? I guess that might give u gas.

MASTEROVERLORD
11-19-2010, 04:30 PM
I didn't like the lack of a manual either. I'm more annoyed with having to replace these flimsy cases on new games, with cases from older cases all of the time. It's ridiculous having the entire case twist all over the place trying to remove the game disc.

MasterSamson88
11-19-2010, 09:43 PM
In game manual makes more sense, and since it's in game it can be about a million times more comprehensive. Less of a waste of paper too anyway.

flyingeaglemile
11-19-2010, 09:57 PM
Assassins Creed is such an easy game to play anyways, why do you even need a manual?

XwingVmanX
11-19-2010, 10:10 PM
Make a poll and find out how many people actually read their game manuals, then you will know if they are being cheap or just practical.

X10J
11-19-2010, 11:14 PM
lack of manual has interfierd w/ my ritual.

X10J
11-20-2010, 12:19 AM
sorry trying to fix something.

dlonewolf1994
11-20-2010, 12:38 AM
x10j is tryin to bury the spoiler thread try to help him guys.

Neco_The_Sergal
11-20-2010, 01:06 AM
TOILET PAPER INSTRUCTION SHEETS FOR US ALL!

Only thing you need to know about said-game:

1: Turn on console.

2: Put disc in console.

3: Start the game

4: Press square to usually kill usually-bad people!

5: Be awesome, or else.

Elatreus
11-20-2010, 12:21 PM
I got my copy yesterday, and it had a manual in it. Granted, it was just a basic manual (about 4-5 pages) with just basically the control instructions and a notes page in it.