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jessi1
04-27-2005, 12:21 PM
Hey guys,whats your favorite online 109 and why. What is it that you like about the plane and some tips on flyin it from your point of view. I like the climb characteristics of the k-4 but more than that i like the turning ability of the g-10 and the devastating 30mm cannon. Also what are the elavator trim clicks(up 10,,down10,etc) that you use to help out the stiff elevators, i like 10 clicks positive for great turning at high speeds, also helps with stiff elevators.

FatBoyHK
04-27-2005, 12:27 PM
With my limited understanding of the 109 series, I will choose G6/AS with MK108. Good speed, good guns, good turn, good climb, good stall behavior.

But someone told me G10 is the best... as fast as a K4, but without K4's poor elevator http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

p1ngu666
04-27-2005, 12:38 PM
il2c says there close
g6as is better at low level, g10 up high

g10 abit better climb, and better at alt

tbh it would depend on how they handle as to which one is best

faustnik
04-27-2005, 01:06 PM
This one:

http://pages.sbcglobal.net/mdegnan/_images/190a4.jpg

It has better firepower, more speed, better high speed maneuverability and is tougher. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

FatBoyHK
04-27-2005, 01:09 PM
lol, I wouldn't disagree, but he is talking about BF109 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

faustnik
04-27-2005, 01:12 PM
109/190 hard to tell I'm dyslexic. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

p1ngu666
04-27-2005, 01:22 PM
and obsesive http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

faustnik
04-27-2005, 01:45 PM
Originally posted by p1ngu666:
and obsesive http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Maybe a little.

F0_Dark_P
04-27-2005, 01:56 PM
this one is nice, the most classic 109 the G6
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/Nahoj/JG26DarkPkopiera.jpg

But my all time favorite have to be the G2, that bird is good balanced and it is just a dream to fly, sure it have that bad rear view but other than that it is the best ride of them all http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

and tacticks you say.., you should stay high and dive down on those puny spits then you climb up again and repeat it, dont turn with a 109, sure maybe in a slow speed turn you can hold your ground, but remember, dont use combat flaps if you are turning

TheCrux
04-27-2005, 03:00 PM
G-2 or F-4.

Fast, manuverable, climbs good, dives good. Does some things great and most things well.

Adequate armament in fighter vs fighter combat...if you can shoot well.

3.JG51_BigBear
04-27-2005, 03:08 PM
109G-6 A/S with the 30MM. Its a great plane in late war scenarios. Good manueverability for the time, quick acceleration, good weight to power, excellent visibility. I still prefer the Focke Wulf though.

Jumoschwanz
04-27-2005, 03:13 PM
I usually take the G2 if it is availiable just because it has the fewest things to go wrong. It does not have boost but has most of the performance of the ones with it.
The 109s with boost, even if you engage it below half throttle like you are supposed to, seem to lose some of the performance of the engine after you fly them a while. The G2 engine really takes a lot of abuse and stays at top performance.

All I ever did with trim is to trim the elevator so I do not have to hold pressure on it in level flight at cruising speed, this is what trim is for in the first place, to take the work load off the pilot.

On earlier servers I will take whatever 109 is there to fly. I am used to them, have been in them for over three years, and despite the historically correct poor elevator response at high speed, I still prefer it over the FW190 because it is easier shoot and aim out of than the 190, and it has a better zoom and energy retention.

When an enemy is on your tail, you can use the 109s fast acceleration in a dive to get some distance, and the 109s good roll rate to foil an enemy who is trying to hit you with his guns. This will help you get to a cloud bank and maybe lose him long enough to re-engage on more equal footing. S!

Jumoschwanz

PBNA-Boosher
04-27-2005, 04:45 PM
G-10, be sure.

Atomic_Marten
04-27-2005, 04:52 PM
Favourite Bf109? G6> series. Most of all G10/14.

For performance, I sometimes go for K4, although it is not my favourite fighter.

Why? I didn't really think about that.. I must say that I choose them on first place because of their fame and appearance. It turned out that they were (are in game) good fighters.

With Bf109 you can employ just any tactic you like; that fighter is jack of all trades.. IMO much like Spitfire, with some differences.

About tips.. one is to practice a lot on it in order to be good. Open radiators if not in fight. Especially pay attention to gunnery: if you are good at it you wont have so much trouble flying that airplane. On the contrary, if you are a poor in gunnery, you will have hard time.. basically that is what is really important. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
Be good with MK108 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Achilles_NZ
04-27-2005, 05:26 PM
I€m with The Crux on this one.
The F4 & G2 are my favorites as well. (The F2 is a little too weakly armed for my liking)
They both have fantastic handling, and you can really throw them around aggressively once you get the hang of them without stalling or getting into unintentional snap rolls.
They both have fantastic acceleration (particularly with the more powerful engine in the G2) and climb superbly.
The heavier elevator response at high speed that has been modeled now took a bit of getting used to, but isn€t too bad so long as you don€t keep the power on in a dive.

The earlier E series with their twin 20mm are great fun to play around with as well, and despite having a small ammo load can be very devastating at close range on anything you shoot at.
Though the difference in engine performance from the later F and G€s is very noticeable.

I haven€t spent much time in the G6 with the 30mm, as I never really liked it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif
Even less time in the other later G€s
I don€t like the K at all. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif S!

Abbuzze
04-27-2005, 05:40 PM
Favorite, hmm hard to say, I like the 109´s that was historical the most used ones.

So G6late also F4, G10/14 in late war.

For the G6AS, I think it is the 109 with the worst historical FM, rated alt of the DB605ASM was 6.4km for max output and 7.8km for climbing output. Our AS allready loosing power at 5km!

The G10 have 1000m more till loosing power. That is much more corresponding with the rated alt of the DB605D that was 6.4km.

p1ngu666
04-27-2005, 07:45 PM
some 109 guys say that g6as is really a g14as, but missnamed

the real g6as didnt have mw50 according to them either. decent altitude performance tho

RedNeckerson
04-27-2005, 08:36 PM
109F-4.

Simply the best fighter aircraft on earth in 1941, and an absolute dream to fly.

This sim really needs loadout options for the F-4, it's a disgrace not to have them - it could carry bombs and it could carry a droptank. Absurd that we don't have them after all this time.

Would love to have the 1942 109F-4 cleared for 1.42ata as well as the 109F-4/Z with nitrous injection.

karost
04-27-2005, 11:14 PM
Let me point you in difference direction...!?

all BF109(plane) like a smart and skillful pilot to be his boss. like this:


1. he has to know what is best and worst thing that bf109 can do or can not crossing to opponent features.
2. he take many of many hrs. to improve a deflection shooting skill for mk 108 and point shooting for mg151/20 (at very close range) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
3. he has to learn all kind of energy tactic and energy management in a difference and dynamic situation.
4. he know well about L.W. standard team play "Rottenfueher" ( leader/wingmen ) and all dynamic team tactics.
5. he has a good S.A. to plot a deadly strategic combat plan and apply to fast action with a cunning-tactics and challenging mind...


BF-109s(plane) like this kind of pilots http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://www.pzg.biz/8055.jpg


S~

BuzzU
04-27-2005, 11:54 PM
I like the light feel of the F4.

PlaneEater
04-28-2005, 12:40 AM
Whichever one starts burning fastest after I light into it with 6 Brownings. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Badsight.
04-28-2005, 01:36 AM
what do 109 experten think of the G6 versus G6-Late ?

jurinko
04-28-2005, 02:56 AM
Emil - its sinister look, firepower and as the symbol of the blitzkrieg

Abbuzze
04-28-2005, 04:13 AM
Hello p1ngu666,
at the end 109´s never got designations like AS or ASM or ASB. Our 109G6AS is a G6 with an DB605ASM engine. Lets call it G6ASM

G6 or G14 - a G14 is nothing more than a unified G6. In fact our G14 is an outdated, obsolet worthless 1943 G6 airframe with a 1942 engine that got a MW50 injection. But still a good fighter in 1944 I think. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif



Originally posted by Badsight.:
what do 109 experten think of the G6 versus G6-Late ?

I´m no expert, but for the bad airstrips in russia the G6 was a good evelopment, stronger gear means less accidents and increase the ability to survive starts and landings. Better weapons also.
In fact there were no realy early and late versions, and this was the mainproblem of the G6. You will find tall tails with early hoods and galland hood´s with small tails... even G14 as a new standard plane still had this problem and never solved it.

For the performance. If il2compare it correct, it seems that the new Galland Hood equalised the weight of the tall tail and gave the G6L a small speed advantage, while all other numbers are more or less identical.
It´s more interessting that the g2 with a slightly better aerodynamic is much faster, but the difference is ok.
The difference in climing rate is more impressive especially cause 100% climb is identical while 110% gave the G2 a big favour.
But we have to keep in mind that this is from il2compare, and this software uses AI data and is sometimes not uptodate.

Heartland
04-28-2005, 05:24 AM
I have a certain weakness for the F series, it has nice clean, rounded lines. The E is rather square in comparison, while the G has all sorts of tubes and bulges marring an otherwise perfectly nice airframe... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I'm currently sharpening my old skills (well, or lack thereof) after a flight-sim absence, by flying the F-2 in an offline campaign. I must say it is great fun squaring off with that pea-shooter 15mm as the only *ahem* heavy-hitter in ones arsenal...

Monson74
04-28-2005, 05:49 AM
Originally posted by Badsight.:
what do 109 experten think of the G6 versus G6-Late ?

Well, IMO the early one has the nicest default skin but regarding performance I think they are very close. I don't care much for the rear visiblity of the late version as I rarely check my six anyway http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

With a historical plane setting I think they all shine: The E-series has an edge in firepower. The Fs are fast & agile. The G2 is a monster on a '42 server - nearly untouchable. G6? - things start to get hard for the LW but the MG131 + 20mm combo is a deadly tool (I hate the MK108!). G6/AS is pretty, fast & a good all-round fighter - perhaps my fav of them all. As for the rest I don't really know because I haven't flown them much. My list would go:

1) G6/AS
2) F4
3) E-7/B

dieg777
04-28-2005, 05:50 AM
I like G6as with mg151/20s -cant shoot with that big slow elephant gun 30mm. In above configuration its fast, nimble and has excellent climb rate.
Also has good visability at both front and rear .

NorrisMcWhirter
04-28-2005, 06:08 AM
Hi,

None..they all suffer from a nasty elevator especially after coming from a 190.

At a push, though, the F4 is useful if underpowered in the gun department. I can't remember the last time I flew a 109 post 1943.

Cheers,
Norris

JG52Karaya-X
04-28-2005, 11:30 AM
Originally posted by p1ngu666:
some 109 guys say that g6as is really a g14as, but missnamed

the real g6as didnt have mw50 according to them either. decent altitude performance tho

Ya talkin' to me? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

JG52Karaya-X
04-28-2005, 11:33 AM
Originally posted by Badsight.:
what do 109 experten think of the G6 versus G6-Late ?

I'd pick the G6_late because it has the Erla Haube (Erla Hood) for better visibility. Other than that they are completely the same...

LilHorse
04-28-2005, 02:05 PM
I like any of the early to mid war 109s (except the F2, too weak in the cannon dept.). I Like the E4, F4, G2, G6 and G6late being my most faves. I like to sling 20mm pods on the G's. I don't like the later 109s (G10, G14, K4, bleh!). And I hate the MK 108. Only thing it's good for is bomber busting.

Atomic_Marten
04-28-2005, 02:19 PM
You guys that dislike MK108 should be ashamed http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

MK108&NS37=The best weapons in game.
Repeat after me: MK108&NS37.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif http://forum.combatace.com/style_emoticons/KOLOBOK/crazy.gif

ploughman
04-28-2005, 02:33 PM
The G6 AS, (soft spot for the Emil, notice I said SOFT spot) but I read something the other day about the F4 being preferred by many Nazi pilots as the zenith of the 109 series. It's not a version I've really tried so..?

LilHorse
04-28-2005, 03:03 PM
Originally posted by Atomic_Marten:
You guys that dislike MK108 should be ashamed http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

MK108&NS37=The best weapons in game.
Repeat after me: MK108&NS37.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif http://forum.combatace.com/style_emoticons/KOLOBOK/crazy.gif

Meh...I think the MK108 is, as Chuck Yeager described the P-39s cannon, like lobbing a grapefruit out there. And I also don't really like anything that gets you a one hit kill. No challenge in that.

HellToupee
04-28-2005, 03:09 PM
i perfer 20mms myself more challange and more enjoyable none of that wild spray and hope for a single hit stuff.

usually fly g2, flys like a spitfire slightly worse in turn but more forgiving to the hamfisted.

Atomic_Marten
04-28-2005, 03:15 PM
Originally posted by LilHorse:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Atomic_Marten:
You guys that dislike MK108 should be ashamed http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

MK108&NS37=The best weapons in game.
Repeat after me: MK108&NS37.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif http://forum.combatace.com/style_emoticons/KOLOBOK/crazy.gif

Meh...I think the MK108 is, as Chuck Yeager described the P-39s cannon, like lobbing a grapefruit out there. And I also don't really like anything that gets you a one hit kill. No challenge in that. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah I know. But it is fun. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Fennec_P
04-28-2005, 03:22 PM
For single combat and for fun, the 109G2. Has the power of the G series, the manueverability of the F series, and doesn't have those ugly machine gun blisters.

Otherwise, the G-10. MK-108 and more power, turns a litle better than a K4, and at least doesn't have those ugly wing blisters.

karost
04-28-2005, 07:08 PM
Originally posted by Badsight.:
what do 109 experten think of the G6 versus G6-Late ?


I not an experten ... but mainly fly bf-109s online

I agree with Abbuzze and JG52Karaya-X

if flying on History Server setup ( no icon ) S.A. is most important so 109G6L is my choice when fly along.

I have question to ask too... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

How about 109G2 and 109G6Late which one you like if you all play on a history server setup (no icon)....? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


for myself ,if I have to meet a good pilots out there I like to use 109G6L batter coz
1. S.A. visibility
2. gunfire power
109G6L is batter for offensive but very hard for defensive if meet Spirtfire

109G2 is batter of defensive but offensive not easy , very hard to make one pass one kill , but G2 have a big energy advantage to manage to stay on advantage position to make kill. then G2 have more chance to survive then G6Late

I don't like MK108 , but we all are know why we have to use it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


Hit and Run is a perfect strategic-combat (IMHO)
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

S~

Bromophenol
04-28-2005, 07:33 PM
the G10 : it turns, fast, climbs fast and the 30mm !
Otherwise the G2, only problem is the smaller 20 mm.
With the G6, the only way to survive is to climb high, dive on your prey, shoot the best you can, miss or hit doesn't matter, just get quickly back to the clouds very fast, otherwise you're dead. Any russian fighter will get you within minutes if you stay to long fooling around your preys at low altitude. I got most of my "player killed" on G6. At the end i gave up on dog fighting with this airplane, you cannot even count on your speed, it is so slow !
But hopefully you can climb, pfewww.

Jetbuff
04-28-2005, 11:08 PM
F-4 followed closely by the E-7/B. I despise late model 109's.

Now, if only we get fixed MinenGeschoss-toting MG151/20 for the former + a wider selection of loadouts... *passes out face-first into a puddle of drool*

ImpStarDuece
04-28-2005, 11:24 PM
F4 and G2 for pure dogfight, particularly in their time period. Good turn, good speed, great climb, tight weapon grouping, excellent roll and fair acceleration.

As an opponent I most fear a well flown G10, for my money the better pilots seem to fly it more than the K4. The 109K drivers tend to do the "Rocket Sled" thing more and rely on their phenomenal climb and speed. Nothing is more aggravating than flying with a 3-400m alt advantage and having a 109k just sit in the vertaical and lob those handgrenades at you.

WOLFMondo
04-29-2005, 01:24 AM
BF109 F4. The only BF109 I've ever really liked. It flies nice, was great for its time. Perfect dogfighter.

Atomic_Marten
04-29-2005, 01:37 AM
Originally posted by Jetbuff:
Now, if only we get fixed MinenGeschoss-toting MG151/20 for the former + a wider selection of loadouts... *passes out face-first into a puddle of drool*

Yeah. For example, F4/R1 gunboat (with underwing MG151 gondollas). 'Experten' I./JG52 were using that F4 variant. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

AAA_Mohican
04-29-2005, 05:22 AM
Think about it: In a 1 vs 1 combat, wich bf would win with the same pilot at the controls?

I say maybe K4 over 4.000 5.000 meters and G10/G14 below.

Has anybody noticed the max speed of the k4 at 6.000 meters? Fore sure is one of the "big ones", but its behavior at low alt is not so good.

Maybe the G10 is the more balanced of the 109 series. Very good in all areas: turning, climbing, speed, gun power...and at all altitudes. Without a doubt, G10 is a very serious opponent wherever you find one....

FlatSpinMan
04-29-2005, 05:50 AM
I can't believe how few people went for the Emils!!! They are the archetype, the very essence of 109ness! They set the 109iosity by which all other 109s are measured. ESPECIALLY when in a sexy BoB skin - you know, camo on top surfaces only, light blue/grey with no mottling on the sides. Glorious!

I don't fly 109s enough to be an expert, in fact my constant flitting between types is not doing my flying any favours at all but it's too hard to choose just one plane to fly in(kind of like choosing just one woman when there are so many gorgeous ones walking around unattached - BTW I AM happily married to one of them but still....)but the Emil has a simplicity of design plus more than adequate firepower to be the best. I do admit to having a bit of a thing for the late 109s too, all misshapen and warty but somehow so sinister and powerful looking. Note I base all judgements on aesthetics as I am a singularly awful pilot who can get shot down in anything.

Atomic_Marten
04-29-2005, 06:02 AM
Originally posted by FlatSpinMan:
I can't believe how few people went for the Emils!!! They are the archetype, the very essence of 109ness! They set the 109iosity by which all other 109s are measured. ESPECIALLY when in a sexy BoB skin - you know, camo on top surfaces only, light blue/grey with no mottling on the sides. Glorious!

I don't fly 109s enough to be an expert, in fact my constant flitting between types is not doing my flying any favours at all but it's too hard to choose just one plane to fly in(kind of like choosing just one woman when there are so many gorgeous ones walking around unattached - BTW I AM happily married to one of them but still....)but the Emil has a simplicity of design plus more than adequate firepower to be the best. I do admit to having a bit of a thing for the late 109s too, all misshapen and warty but somehow so sinister and powerful looking. Note I base all judgements on aesthetics as I am a singularly awful pilot who can get shot down in anything.

I love Emils also I find them cute http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif, but I have some issues with them..

For me it's quite traumatic to switch between E series and the rest of the Bf109s. They handle more or less in same way, except for more power in later models; buit there is one significant difference - gunnery.

It is a LOT different to fly wing mounted aircraft once when you are used to nose armamenr. Especially due to fact that Emil main weapons are in wings.

JG52Karaya-X
04-29-2005, 09:57 AM
I'd pick the E7/Z over the E7/B for dogfighting because it has even more HP and therefore a better climb and speed...

Just dont forget to leave that GM1 alone or you will fry your engine without any warning - only use it at 6,5k alt and above

JG52Karaya-X
04-29-2005, 10:08 AM
Originally posted by AAA_Mohican:
Think about it: In a 1 vs 1 combat, wich bf would win with the same pilot at the controls?

I say maybe K4 over 4.000 5.000 meters and G10/G14 below.

Has anybody noticed the max speed of the k4 at 6.000 meters? Fore sure is one of the "big ones", but its behavior at low alt is not so good.

Maybe the G10 is the more balanced of the 109 series. Very good in all areas: turning, climbing, speed, gun power...and at all altitudes. Without a doubt, G10 is a very serious opponent wherever you find one....

some performance figures:

Bf109K4: DB605DB - 1850hp at takeoff, 1550hp at rated alt

loaded-weight: 3350kg

top-speed: 720km/h at 6000m (the P51D only does 675km/h at that alt http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif)

peak-climbrate: around 29-30m/s (it actually starts at 29m/s and then rises to 30m/s until about 4,5k alt... this is exactly what it should do)

Bf109G10: DB605DB - 1850hp at takeoff, 1550hp at rated alt

loaded-weight: 3250kg

top-speed: 690km/h at 6000m (the P51D only does 675km/h at that alt http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif)

peak-climbrate: 27m/s

Bf109G14: DB605AM - 1800hp at takeoff, 1550hp at rated alt

loaded-weight: 3200kg

top-speed: 665km/h at 6000m

peak-climbrate: 27,5m/s (it's a tad faster than the G10 until 1000m and then drops off much faster)


The G14 is nothing more than an older G bird with MW50 injection - and it shows performance wise (not THAT much of a killer).
The G6/AS in FB is a G14 with a DB605ASM engine (--> G14/AS to be exact).
If you want to go for performance then there's no way around the G10 or K4... these are the two best. Whichever you pick is up to your preference - G10 being the more manoeuvrable and the K4 the faster

The190Flyer
04-29-2005, 01:34 PM
1. G-10
2. G-6
3. G-14
4. G-6 Late

These are the great 109 models IMO, I love to fly em, it's a great time flying them.

Badsight.
04-29-2005, 02:29 PM
Originally posted by FlatSpinMan:
I can't believe how few people went for the Emils!!!. Emils are the only 109 im qualified to talk about

since patch v1,1b i have done loads of Hurricane v Emil DF rooms & coops

when PF was released the Emils got degraded in DF ability by a big margin , they used to be able to hang with Hurricanes in turns on low fuel

no more , i think they were adjusted to the Ki-61s performance , because Heins were better all round than the E3 Emil it was tested against

lrrp22
04-29-2005, 02:53 PM
Karaya,

Both the K-4 and G-10 should reach their top speeds around 7400m where the P-51D does ~703 kph. If they reach 710 and 690 kph respectively at 6000m, then they have the 2000 PS DB605DC. Do we have any Crimea map test data for this, or is that Object Viewer data?


Originally posted by JG52Karaya-X:

some performance figures:

Bf109K4: DB605DB - 1850hp at takeoff, 1550hp at rated alt

top-speed: 720km/h at 6000m (the P51D only does 675km/h at that alt http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif)

Bf109G10: DB605DB - 1850hp at takeoff, 1550hp at rated alt

top-speed: 690km/h at 6000m (the P51D only does 675km/h at that alt http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif)