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Black_Ops7
05-02-2010, 02:27 PM
Review is out:
http://www.simhq.com/_technolo...technology_088a.html (http://www.simhq.com/_technology2/technology_088a.html)

Engadin
05-02-2010, 03:10 PM
Instead of force sensing, forcefeedback would have done the trick, imho. Canīt see myself forcesensing my 109, mostly leaving after a heavy dive, sorry. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

engadin.

Metatron_123
05-02-2010, 04:32 PM
Way too expensive... I think the price negates the quality.

Warrington_Wolf
05-02-2010, 05:11 PM
The reviewer pretty much confirms what my initial thoughts were when the design was made public.
I reckon that the rotorheads will like the stick because like air-air refuelling, flying a helicopter requires tiny control movements and from what I've read that is the stick's strong point.
I can't see myself ever getting one even if the price comes down considerably, I don't like the idea of a stick that doesn't move. Besides my CH gear is several years old and it still works like new, and the only replacement for a CH HOTAS is another CH HOTAS.

Crimsonpride
05-03-2010, 04:50 PM
I've had a X-52 for little over a year now since i upgraded from the 45. Hardly used it. Then agin i'm not flying as much as i used to. @ this point it'd have to be one hell of a stick in order for me to make the jump this soon. Especially with haveing to build a new PC for SOW by OCT./NOV.... (if Oleg is finnihed by then)

julian265
05-03-2010, 05:45 PM
You can't judge reliability without having people use it for a decent time... It's not the plastic grips that fail, it's saitek's buttons, pots, and HE sensor arrangement (plastic is fine... it's the way they used it)

IMO the large panels for mode selection and display are a waste of space and $. What's wrong with a single mode button (cycles default, 1,2,3,4) and a single display, such as a 7 segment, to feed-back the mode?

The section about rudder lock makes sense, and is probably quite undesirable. However, I'd guess that like the troubles the reviewer had with x/y/z user inputs bleeding into the other axes, users with flexible minds will probably adapt to it after a few months of use.

Airmail109
05-03-2010, 06:34 PM
Gonna go with the new Thrustmaster Warthog or the G941 or whatever it is, if I ever have to replace my modded Cougar.

Falcke
05-03-2010, 07:38 PM
So what is the point of force sensing? Real pilots had big issues with it, and this stick gives exactly the same issues to sim pilots + XY bleeding? That is just beyond stupid.

ibeagle
05-05-2010, 03:32 AM
I have a force sensing FCC2 mod for the cougar made by white eagle. I bought it for falcon4 a few years ago, but have only used it occasionally as I'm an il2 addict. I found its feel unnatural for il2. The thing you notice is that you're able to apply full deflection instantaneously. An F-16 can roll nearly as fast as you can apply pressure it seems. But the physical movement combined with spring tension makes regular springs feel more natural for a WW2 aircraft.

Waldo.Pepper
05-05-2010, 04:35 AM
It is ugly too boot.

ROXunreal
05-05-2010, 05:14 AM
It's ugly, expensive, pedal-less, and Saitek.

I'll rather spend my money on the new Logi or Thrustmaster setups, when more time passes and people say how reliable they are in the long run

DKoor
05-05-2010, 06:32 AM
For me last really good Saitek thing for flying was EVO.
I've had X45 and still have it for a few years but used it for about one month, it's like new - i.e. it only collects dust in my closet.

Concepts like that are way too complicated for my taste... I don't want flying stick that is as real as possible I want as functional things as possible.

Sure some others may disagree with me, but this is the subject as I see it.

Sillius_Sodus
05-05-2010, 12:14 PM
Originally posted by DKoor:
For me last really good Saitek thing for flying was EVO.
I've had X45 and still have it for a few years but used it for about one month, it's like new - i.e. it only collects dust in my closet.

Concepts like that are way too complicated for my taste... I don't want flying stick that is as real as possible I want as functional things as possible.

Sure some others may disagree with me, but this is the subject as I see it.

Agreed, it doesn't have to look like the real thing, it just has to work.

MD_Titus
05-05-2010, 01:21 PM
not exactly tried a lot of sticks, but i have to say my x52 pro is cracking. pretty cheap for a hotas, and with stiff enough springs and a good enough reliability, considering the hours i've put in on it it shoulkd be knackered by now. must be a twisty stick as well, bought rudder pedals and just don't agree with them.

the split throttle thing is tempting in all of the hotas coming up, but the lack of twisty in the logitech, and probably in the A10 thing as well, makes this the only alternative of the latest crop... however, force sensing is a massive turn off.

Sokol__1
05-05-2010, 04:24 PM
This guy play iL-2 with X65-F, say that took he two day to learn avoid over-control and stall - tweaking preset Force Sensing adjusts.
Your previous josytick's is X-52 and X-52 PRO, so the transition for X-65F was minimized.

"In Action" in iL-2 Quick Mission:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKO5d7GCUeI

Sokol1

erco415
05-06-2010, 03:01 PM
I'm still flabbergasted that Saitek went the force-sensing route, especially considering that they bothered to ask people what they wanted, and then ignored their customers requests. I went to the Saitek forums, and Saitek's response to people saying that they didn't want force-sensing was that they knew better what people wanted. Personally, I think Saitek has made a very good stick, that costs too much in a down economy, that people don't really want, which is a crummy way to run a business. And it's a shame, really, as I would have been first in line to buy a force-feedback X-65. I really like the throttle unit. Oh well, I guess it's time to start looking at Logitech and the others.

ggb123
05-09-2010, 11:41 PM
It reminds me my olddie IBM Thinkpad laptop's little red mouse stick http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif thinking about that can be also a joystick http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

TgD Thunderbolt56
05-10-2010, 07:56 AM
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