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Beltza-U110
12-07-2004, 07:17 PM
The spanish spoken videogames market is about 38% of the total... (according to Sierra). http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Seg√¬ļn Sierra, la cuota de mercado de los v√¬*deo jugadores de habla hispana es del 38% del total.
A ver si Ubi lo tiene en cuenta.

Beltza-U110
12-07-2004, 07:17 PM
The spanish spoken videogames market is about 38% of the total... (according to Sierra). http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Seg√¬ļn Sierra, la cuota de mercado de los v√¬*deo jugadores de habla hispana es del 38% del total.
A ver si Ubi lo tiene en cuenta.

rostrica
12-07-2004, 07:53 PM
Y ese idioma de porcentajes y $$$$ ganancias $$$ seguro que lo entienden perfectamente. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Silent hunter 3 in spanish = more sales and more money for UBI . All happy & nobody loses . http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif
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Silent hunter 3 en espaŮol = mas ventas y mas dinero para UBI . Todos contentos y nadie pierde. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif


saludos / regards


Silent hunter 3 in spanish <----- http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/Beltza/sh3.jpg

DrewitzU525
12-08-2004, 04:11 AM
38%38%38%38%38%38%38%38%38%38%38%38%38%38%.....

Capt.LoneRanger
12-08-2004, 05:12 AM
38 % http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

A link to THAT analysis would be really great - especially since Sierra closed several years ago http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

According to a 2004 study, the Spanish *AND* Portgual market means 8.3% of the European market. And the European market is the 3rd of the four major world-markets:

1. USA
2. Japan (over 1.2bn US $ behind)
3. Europe (more than 2.xbn US $ behind the US)
4. former Sovjet-Union

Back to europe: UK, the largest buyer of PC and console games makes 27.9% of the european buisiness.
Allthough overall the number of spanish speaking customers is larger than in Spain (and Portugal) alone, I doubt the percentage is larger. Infact, it will be lower, considering there are not many Spanish speaking people in Japan and the ratio of people in the US buying Spanish software only, should be definately lower than 38%. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Why don't you take the chance to work on a mod for the spanish people as soon as the game is released!? (Or even for the demo?)

alfonsuas
12-08-2004, 05:33 AM
Spanish lenguaje: Spain, Latinoamerica, and USA, and More. If not 38; 20% sure http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Beltza-U110
12-08-2004, 06:04 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Why don't you take the chance to work on a mod for the spanish people as soon as the game is released!? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sure it will be done if neccessary.
But why not an official spanish location? I'm sure there is no any reason. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
What will you think if the game appears only in spanish? That is incomprehensible: so the spanish community thinks that is incomprehensible that it doesn't appear in spanish,
Is very simple, isn't it? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Mancuso24
12-08-2004, 06:08 AM
If 38% is no more the actual percentage is due to, maybe, a lack of Spanish-located games, isn‚¬īt it? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Capt.LoneRanger
12-08-2004, 06:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> What will you think if the game appears only in spanish? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Honestly, I am German and ONLY by US(original)-games, because I prefer a good original over a lousy translation. Most games I afterwards had a translation for, were a LOT better than the orginial translations, because they were all done in a hurry to please customers. Worst example ever: The "Civilization"-games.

@alfonsuas

Do you REALLY believe that the number native Spanish customers is 20% ? In the US alone that would mean that every single Hispano-American has to buy computer games, including all women and children (Spanish as native language in the US 2004 = 22%)

And I doubt that SouthernAmerica will make the difference to 38% or at least 20%.

Siroco
12-08-2004, 07:10 AM
Spanish lenguaje: Spain, Latinoamerica, and USA, and More. If not 38; 20% for sure.
He dicho...

Mix-Martes86
12-08-2004, 07:11 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:
Do you REALLY believe that the number native Spanish customers is 20% ? In the US alone that would mean that every single Hispano-American has to buy computer games, including all women and children (Spanish as native language in the US 2004 = 22%)

And I doubt that SouthernAmerica will make the difference to 38% or at least 20%. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

400 million of native Spanish-speaking people(approximately) and you still doubt that can make a 38%. If not a 38, maybe a 25-30 because the numbers change over time, but it's still a lot of people. You say including all women and children, do you mean then that no women or children above 13 can buy the game?? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Lanzfeld
12-08-2004, 07:19 AM
We all agree that there should be a mod after the release to translate the game to Spanish for all of our Spanish speaking friends. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif It doesn't matter how many of them there are. It's not a race.

Now.....can we drop all the frikkin' posts about it?!?!?! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

Backman24
12-08-2004, 07:35 AM
Is Spanish language less important than english or german language?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>We all agree that there should be a mod after the release to translate the game to Spanish for all of our Spanish speaking friends. It doesn't matter how many of them there are. It's not a race. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Would you like a english release with a mod after this release to translate the game to german? Why not? Spanish is more spoken around the world than german.

All I want to say is that spanish language is being discriminated...

DerKomet
12-08-2004, 07:54 AM
I'm portuguese, and like all my portuguese friends you know what we do?
^^ we learn english.
every single game, we learn something new. Our movies aren't dubbed, i dont even look at the subtitles anymore. You want to know my sincere opinion? i would not like to hear my men in a u-boat talking portuguese, it wouldn't fit. I dont speak german and still i'll choose to have them speaking german in the game (with subtitles of course)

we portuguese speakers don't have a lot of games localized for us (and we arent that few) and still you dont see any of us b1tching around

just my 2 cents...

Capt.LoneRanger
12-08-2004, 08:08 AM
Agreed, DerKomet.

@Backman24

It's not about importance, but a question of cost, effort and outcome. And I surely wouldn't expect anybody else to wait a month or more longer or spare a single feature because the devs had to distribute resources to this effort, just because I wanted an English game translated in German.

Besides that, I alleady said, that I prefer the games in their originals. If SH3 was about US-subs, I wouldn't like to be the skipper called "Kaleun" and I don't want a swiftsure-torpedo called "agilsicher".

Capt.LoneRanger
12-08-2004, 08:16 AM
@Mix-Martes86

400,000,000 Spanish people of 6,396,000,000 people overall makes 25-30% !?!?


Maybe this figure will give you a perspective for online populations (whichis quite representative).

http://www.nvtc.gov/lotw/months/november/images/InternetLanguages.gif

Capt.LoneRanger
12-08-2004, 08:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> You say including all women and children, do you mean then that no women or children above 13 can buy the game?? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Sorry, I tried, but I cannot resist...

This 400million figure does not only include 13years and above kids, but also newbornes, babies that are born in a native Spanish speaking family. I'm really sorry, but I doubt that many newborn will go out and buy SH3 and I also doubt, that many women will. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Again, if you like it, it would be nice, if it would be included for ya and you have my support for that, but things like this:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/Beltza/sh3.jpg

and a new thread every 2 days with reasons why to translate SH3 into Spanish makes this reasonable wish really a joke, IMHO.

Mix-Martes86
12-08-2004, 10:02 AM
Capt.LoneRanger:

We're not talking about online population. Not everyone that buys a game participates in a forum in the Internet.

Newborns? Do you really think that newborns would pull down the numbers? How many newborns would be? 1 million? 2? 10? Even if there are 10 million newborns and 40 million of boys below 13, that sums 50 million. There are 350 million left that are above 13 and counting women of course, I wouldn't leave that possibility out. The number is still big.

Why are you still saying that will delay the game's release? That's not true, at least not for you. That would apply for the Spanish-speaking countries. Why would it be necessary to delay your release date? It's not the Devs the ones who have to translate the game, it would be up to Ubi-Spain. The Devs would have just to leave a free slot in the game or replace a few files, or just point the guys at Ubi what files to replace. That won't make the Devs lose any time.


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Lanzfeld:
We all agree that there should be a mod after the release to translate the game to Spanish for all of our Spanish speaking friends. It doesn't matter how many of them there are. It's not a race.

Now.....can we drop all the frikkin' posts about it?!?!?! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

A mod after the release... Then, no translated printed manual, no translated game etc, until the mod is finished. You see it very easy, you're getting it in your language.
It doesn't matter how many of us are here? It's not a race? First of all, it does matter how many of us are, we're lots of people and we're being ignored, and that's a big mistake. As you should know, there are millions and millions of people in the world that don't have enough money to buy some food and that demand the attention of the western countries, but they're ignored (if they weren't ignored, they wouldn't be so poor). Would you also say that doesn't matter how many of them there are?
Second, it's a race, because we're running out of time. The game is supposed to ship in February and we're in December and no work can be done well in one month.

It's so hard to understand our position instead of saying that our request would make the Devs lose time? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

Lanzfeld
12-08-2004, 10:31 AM
I am learning that Spanish speaking people ***** alot. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif Just learn English.....the rest of the world does.

Capt.LoneRanger
12-08-2004, 10:39 AM
Okay, leaving newborns and children below 13 out won't make a difference, naming the remaining 399,000,000 possible customers is fiction, too, don't you agree. Considering where and HOW many Spanish speaking people live, I think you cannot really insist on 400,000,000 people not buying SH3. So, the internet relation is quite a good figure, it is not a rigid number.

Well, you know there's a bit more to translating a game than leave "open slots". Graphics have to be adjusted, labels to be remade, the amount of data would be significantly more, considering the crewmen probably don't all have the same speaker.

You also got to keep in mind, that it is a difference between developing a multilanguage version and "simply" adding Spanish language files by UBI-spain. UBI is only the publisher, who is actually in charge of the logistics and to give the money to he developers, before the game is sold and to offer a plattform for support and servers.
The usual way this is dealt with, is by giving a beta to a third-party company and then implement the translations into the game. What the distributor gets in the end, the all famous "Gold-Version", HAS to include those, cause it is the CD that get's copied by the distributor. If they'd have to add an additional langauge, check for possible errors and start the process all over again, I guess it would be much too expensive.

And if you even want a translated manual, they'd have to be sure what is implemented and then describe those features in the manual, send it to a company, let it translate and then include it on the Gold-Version-CD.


Still, I understand your wish, but the way you insist on it really counters the original course. Especially those weird equations and statistics posted here. Don't you see that?

Mix-Martes86
12-08-2004, 10:39 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I am learning that Spanish speaking people ***** alot. Just learn English.....the rest of the world does. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Again, you're still seeing it very easy. You haven't understood anything of what I've said. You can tell a boy of 13 to learn English, but not people that finished studying a while ago that have jobs to do. If you see it so easy, then we will tell the company that made Commandos (a spanish company) not to translate the game into English and then we will tell you all to learn Spanish. I'm sure you wouldn't be very pleased.

Beltza-U110
12-08-2004, 10:50 AM
If you don't want that SH3 will be in spanish is no my problem.
But let me say:

I WANT SH3 IN SPANISH

This bothers to you? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif No problem. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I WANT SH3 IN SPANISH

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Mix-Martes86
12-08-2004, 10:52 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:
Okay, leaving newborns and children below 13 out won't make a difference, naming the remaining 399,000,000 possible customers is fiction, too, don't you agree. Considering where and HOW many Spanish speaking people live, I think you cannot really insist on 400,000,000 people not buying SH3. So, the internet relation is quite a good figure, it is not a rigid number.

Well, you know there's a bit more to translating a game than leave "open slots". Graphics have to be adjusted, labels to be remade, the amount of data would be significantly more, considering the crewmen probably don't all have the same speaker.

You also got to keep in mind, that it is a difference between developing a multilanguage version and "simply" adding Spanish language files by UBI-spain. UBI is only the publisher, who is actually in charge of the logistics and to give the money to he developers, before the game is sold and to offer a plattform for support and servers.
The usual way this is dealt with, is by giving a beta to a third-party company and then implement the translations into the game. What the distributor gets in the end, the all famous "Gold-Version", HAS to include those, cause it is the CD that get's copied by the distributor. If they'd have to add an additional langauge, check for possible errors and start the process all over again, I guess it would be much too expensive.

And if you even want a translated manual, they'd have to be sure what is implemented and then describe those features in the manual, send it to a company, let it translate and then include it on the Gold-Version-CD.


Still, I understand your wish, but the way you insist on it really counters the original course. Especially those weird equations and statistics posted here. Don't you see that? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, it's true that so many people won't buy the game, but imagine: here in Spain we got what is called CyberCafeterias (more or less, don't know the translation of that). In those places, the owner buys as many copies of the game as he needs. Then the people play those games. They haven't bought it, but they play it. Or even if they don't play it, they see it, or write about it (press). That would still be a great number.

Anyways, the implementation of a translation isn't so expensive as you point it, and doesn't take such a hard effort from the Devs. I'm 100% sure that the game won't suffer a delay because of this.

Capt.LoneRanger
12-08-2004, 11:19 AM
I know some nice "CyberCafeterias" in Barcelona. But what has the translated version to do with advertisement? At least the games played in the CyberCafeteria in Barcelona were games in English. (I actually wanted to buy an orignal version in Barcelona, since we only had the German version here http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif )

Again, though I repeat myself like copy'n'paste. I can understand your interest in a translated version, but I cannot understand that you don't care about the problems, the processes needed and that there maybe allready a Spanish version being made!?
These topics, those partially really nonsense statements and personal wishes don't help your effort. On the contrary. Reading through the threads on the main forum, the statements and the sigs begin to make this really ridiculous, rather than delivering the message.
I'm sorry, but I've seen the same thing happen with IL2 and LOMAC several times with "No XY no buy this game" and the same people were the first to post they got the game, even if their features were not in. This bombardement with threads really doesn't support your point. Just read through this thread and look what reactions it provokes!

Pr0metheus 1962
12-08-2004, 11:27 AM
I'm totally with Capt. Lone Ranger on this. It's not that we don't want you to have a Spanish version. The problem is that you're spamming an English language forum that none of the game's producers are likely to read, and you're doing it in an effort to get a Spanish language version of a game that might ALREADY be going to be in Spanish.

In short, you're spamming in a place where you won't be heard about an issue that might not exist. All you're doing is pissing more and more people off. Please stop it.

Mix-Martes86
12-08-2004, 11:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:
Again, though I repeat myself like copy'n'paste. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I feel exactly the same way. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:
I can understand your interest in a translated version, but I cannot understand that you don't care about the problems, the processes needed and that there maybe allready a Spanish version being made!?
These topics, those partially really nonsense statements and personal wishes don't help your effort. On the contrary. Reading through the threads on the main forum, the statements and the sigs begin to make this really ridiculous, rather than delivering the message.
I'm sorry, but I've seen the same thing happen with IL2 and LOMAC several times with "No XY no buy this game" and the same people were the first to post they got the game, even if their features were not in. This bombardement with threads really doesn't support your point. Just read through this thread and look what reactions it provokes! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If there's already a Spanish version on the way, why aren't we being told?
Nonsense statements? Personal wishes? Again, as I said before, you say that because it is in a language that you all understand. It's very easy for you to say that. But here in Spain, the people has difficulties to learn languages, so lots of guys in our Flotilla (as many others outside it) can't speak English.
I'm starting to have a horrible headache, and I'm having a horrible Thursday and Friday, so read all of my posts to see the examples that I won't repeat again because it's the same all the time.

Pr0metheus 1962
12-08-2004, 11:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mix-Martes86:
If there's already a Spanish version on the way, why aren't we being told? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

They haven't expressly told us that it'll be in French either, but that doesn't mean it won't be. I don't recall anyone specifically saying it would be in English or German either. What it comes down to is this - you're all getting upset over something that probably won't happen, and you're alienating other forum members as a result.

I'm not at all sure it's logical to expect the developers or producers of this game to have announced on an English-speaking forum that the game is going to be released in Spanish. Why would they think that English-speakers would care? The fact that they haven't told us that the game is going to be released in Spanish only tells me that the developers realise that this is an English language forum.

Mix-Martes86
12-08-2004, 12:00 PM
The people also gets alienated when demonstrators block roads and streets but nobody shouts against what the demonstrators are demanding.

Messervy
12-08-2004, 12:08 PM
In some countries they shoot demonstraitors!
(Joke)

Mix-Martes86
12-08-2004, 12:26 PM
Well, I think that doesn't happen around here.

Messervy
12-08-2004, 12:34 PM
I think that this whole idea backfired badly.
My only wish is for all of us to return to normal rutine on this forum and offcourse that you guys get a pleasant surprize. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Mix-Martes86
12-08-2004, 12:36 PM
The forum is already in its normal routine.

Messervy
12-08-2004, 12:37 PM
Ah yes...sorry for that. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Capt.LoneRanger
12-08-2004, 05:30 PM
Indeed http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif



Mix-Martes86,what you just wrote is exactly, what many others peoples and myselfare thinking:

If this:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Nonsense statements? Personal wishes? Again, as I said before, you say that because it is in a language that you all understand. It's very easy for you to say that. But here in Spain, the people has difficulties to learn languages, so lots of guys in our Flotilla (as many others outside it) can't speak English.
I'm starting to have a horrible headache, and I'm having a horrible Thursday and Friday, so read all of my posts to see the examples that I won't repeat again because it's the same all the time. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

is infact your argumentation, this whole thing becomes rather ridiculous. Do you think learning English is easier for any of us, than for Spanish people!? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Can you really expect all things to be translated, because some Spanish submarine fans find it difficult to learn English, yet post in a British forum!? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Exactly THIS argumentation makes this thread-spamming really ridiculous.

And to this demonstration thing: Of course there are demonstrators being shouted at. It happens because some people demonstrate for a certain thing, others against the very same thing. I think that's why it's actually called democracy.


And finally to the no-statement thing. If all Spanish-Version-Spammers would read the stickies, there is a thread about no questions being answered for a while. So you can shout as much as you want - there is nobody to hear you right now. So, please, can we stop Spanish-Spamming now, for a week at least? Or maybe for as long as there is nobody here to listen anyway!? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

DrakeMaethor
12-08-2004, 10:40 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Lanzfeld:
I am learning that Spanish speaking people ***** alot. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif Just learn English.....the rest of the world does. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

And so what?
I do already know English and so what?
And, please, don't talk about "the rest of the world" as an example to follow, because considering the actual state of things on this planet doesn't make you believe that the "world" is a rational entity in which we could rely. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:
Do you REALLY believe that the number native Spanish customers is 20% ? In the US alone that would mean that every single Hispano-American has to buy computer games, including all women and children (Spanish as native language in the US 2004 = 22%) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry but that's a really wrong deduction.
The statistic is not over the entire US populace, it is over the entire gaming community. And that's a big difference. Can you see it?
Tell me if you not, if you find it difficult I would gladly explain it better. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif


The Internet language graphic also doesn't make sense. Because is not the same the quantity of people that surfs than the one that plays... Sorry but that's it.
Second, if Sierra says that we are 38% we should be confident in that. They are pioneers in the game industry. Of course we still have to see a link to that http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Mr Alfonsuas if you are kind...

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:
38 % http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

A link to THAT analysis would be really great - especially since Sierra closed several years ago http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hum... Well I don't know in which world are you leaving or for how much time have you been submerged inside your type VIIc, but Sierra is still living and kicking... In fact they have released a new version of their famous Larry series. And here you got a link to that: http://www.leisuresuitlarry.com/age_gate.jsp?url=http%3A//www.leisuresuitlarry.com/main.html
or also try www.sierra.com (http://www.sierra.com) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif



<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:
And I doubt that SouthernAmerica will make the difference to 38% or at least 20%. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

We are still alive, didn't you know? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif



<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>It's not about importance, but a question of cost, effort and outcome. And I surely wouldn't expect anybody else to wait a month or more longer or spare a single feature because the devs had to distribute resources to this effort, just because I wanted an English game translated in German. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey, I really find that a little selfish...
Specially the part about waiting a month more... I can understand that about not having a feature, but the part about waiting a month more you had to admit is selfish. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

But come on... as it has been told before by Mix-Martes it is not the game that should wait, but the Spanish version... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Besides that, I alleady said, that I prefer the games in their originals. If SH3 was about US-subs, I wouldn't like to be the skipper called "Kaleun" and I don't want a swiftsure-torpedo called "agilsicher". <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
That talks about you, not the entire people. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>It's not that we don't want you to have a Spanish version. The problem is that you're spamming an English language forum that none of the game's producers are likely to read, and you're doing it in an effort to get a Spanish language version of a game that might ALREADY be going to be in Spanish.

In short, you're spamming in a place where you won't be heard about an issue that might not exist. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think the problem is not the spamming, which would be really easy to ignore.
The problem is people is afraid of having the game postponed or with less features because of a Spanish translation.

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More words about statistics:
I don't know about the Sierra statistic. Ignore them if you like...
But what I really know and that you cannot ignore are this forum official statistics...
The "Where are you from" topic ran by RedTerex.
And the chart in that topic says that the people of this forum that is from Hispanic countries is more, and I've said MORE, than the people coming from USA and Germany together.

Final words:
All in all, you may say what you want about spamming or whatever. But this people deserve the right of asking for a translation in their mother language. You cannot force them to shut up, not only because it is their rights, but also because you lack the means to force them to shut up. And that's a thing you have to face, (as they have to face the fact that maybe an Spanish version won't come).
But is really easy to realize that in their "crusade" they have much more to "lose" than you. What is that you have to bear because of their actions? Are some posts such a burden?
You may fear about less features in the game, or postponing the game; but I don't believe the devteam would add less features because of a translation. (Also, translation and localizatoin is handled by another part of the team... And it can also be done by a third-party). So you really don't have things to fear because of this topic apart of a little postponing in the release, but that can be easily solved if they release the Spanish version later.
Finally you have to remember that what has made this people act in this way is not the lack of an Spanish version, but the lack of an official reply from the company. And they do deserve a reply, don't you think?
So, is so hard to let them post asking for an answer? Would that so much to ask from you?

Pr0metheus 1962
12-08-2004, 11:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DrakeMaethor:
Hum... Well I don't know in which world are you leaving or for how much time have you been submerged inside your type VIIc, but Sierra is still living and kicking... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sierra was bought by Vivendi, so while the name is technically still alive, the company (as an independent sovereign entity) is no more.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I think the problem is not the spamming, which would be really easy to ignore.
The problem is people is afraid of having the game postponed or with less features because of a Spanish translation. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

There probably is already a Spanish translation, but apparently you folks prefer to believe that there isn't. Aside from making jokes about the Spanish community's proclivities towards masochism, there's not much more we can do apart from wait until the announcement comes so that we can say "har har, told you so".

As for spamming, if it was so easy to ignore, why is it that it remains the number 1 pet peeve of all internet users?

Capt.LoneRanger
12-09-2004, 01:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> And so what?
I do already know English and so what?
And, please, don't talk about "the rest of the world" as an example to follow, because considering the actual state of things on this planet doesn't make you believe that the "world" is a rational entity in which we could rely. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The fact that English is the second most spoken language in the world is not because of todays politics, but because of British Colonization. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Sorry but that's a really wrong deduction.
The statistic is not over the entire US populace, it is over the entire gaming community. And that's a big difference. Can you see it?
Tell me if you not, if you find it difficult I would gladly explain it better. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you'd read what I wrote and check the figures yourself, this percentage is the population natively speaking Spanish in the US. That has nothing to do with the gaming community, you're right, and since this was originally my point, thank you, for your support. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> The Internet language graphic also doesn't make sense. Because is not the same the quantity of people that surfs than the one that plays... Sorry but that's it. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually I didn't say the same numbers, but they give you a quite better figure than 400 million Spanish sitting at the computer. To be honest, looking at most parts of mexico and southern america, were most Spanish speaking people live, internet is not even known there, not to speak of computers able to run SH3. So, it is not an exact figure, but it gives you an idea how the relations are and that's what I acually wrote. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Hey, I really find that a little selfish... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually not more than your posts and the Spanish-Fans, because one more month and the additional work will raise costs and lower profit for UBI and the devs. Besides that, it's a question of the free market, since I don't know, if the additional work will be justified by the additional money earned, because you're probably going to buy the game anyway.
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> That talks about you, not the entire people. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That was an answer to a personal question about my preferences, so what can I do besides talking about me? I'm not the entire German market and I made that clear, while some seem to be speaking on behalf of all the Spanish population on earth. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I think the problem is not the spamming, which would be really easy to ignore.
The problem is people is afraid of having the game postponed or with less features because of a Spanish translation. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

As I allready wrote, I could personally live with that, but there are more things to consider and to keep into relation. The most important is probably if the additional costs are justified by the selling numbers on the Spanish market and that is partially, what where talking about.


And the main thing about this, as Beeryus allready pointed out, there might allready be a Spanish version in the making. But since there is no news coming through at the moment this debate and this thread-spamming is really nonsense, regardless of how you put it.


PS: Sierra was kept as a label, but the company behind it was sold and the entire crew was exchanged, running titles were cancelled. The site was down for over 2 years and revitalized as rights that Sierra had were used for new titles. Infact that was the only reason why Sierra was bought and the only reason why the label is still on the market: The copy-rights of the brands like HL1 and many other games are bound to the company. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

I'd also still like to see a link to that analysis. The links to the gaming site didn't show these to me? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

eskivoski
12-09-2004, 02:17 AM
Si es una cuesti√¬≥n econ√¬≥mica, Ubi se dar√° cuenta que no sacar el SH3 en espaŮol significar√° no vender en los mercados hispanos, por que no lo compraremos. Eso significar√° la quiebra de Ubi en esos mercados hispanohablantes, por que esta medida se est√° trasladando a todos los juegos.
Si es una cuesti√¬≥n de cultura, no consentimos que nos impongan por la fuerza una cultura extraŮa que, adem√°s, tiene menos riqueza que la nuestra.

GertFroebe
12-09-2004, 03:02 AM
"..oder wie? oder wat?"

Capt.LoneRanger
12-09-2004, 03:30 AM
Orr wie orr wat, Gerd http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

H√¬∂rt sich fast nach Siegerland an http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif


@ eskivoski

I honestly doubt, that not translating SH3 into Spanish will mean the brankrupt of the UBI-department located in Spain, as SH3 is most surely not the only thing tha keeps UBI alive, especially not in Spain.
I also doubt that the missing of a Spanish version of SH3 will significantly decrease the gaming economy in Spain, as you put it, since it will NOT influence other markets. Sorry, to dissapoint you, but we all got to see the truth, that SH3 is not a mainstream program like FarCry or RTS games.
I also doubt that you are forced to obey to any culture, as you put it. It is a common mistake, that English is interpreted as colonial or, with regards to the US, even supressing. That is nonsense and as the English language is not a culture, this point is also rather superficial.

I also doubt that posting in Spanish will save you from thinking about the things you post. I suggest, if the Spanish UBI-department is so dependent on SH3, that you write these concerns to a moderator or forum-manager of a Spanish UBI-forum or write a personal message to one of the moderaters there, or even to the customers service. I'm sure this would be much more productive. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Rickmer
12-09-2004, 06:59 AM
si es una cuesti√¬≥n econ√¬≥mica, Ubi se dar√° cuenta que no sacar el SH3 en espaŮol significar√° no vender en los mercados hispanos, por que no lo compraremos. Eso significar√° la quiebra de Ubi en esos mercados hispanohablantes, por que esta medida se est√° trasladando a todos los juegos.
Si es una cuesti√¬≥n de cultura, no consentimos que nos impongan por la fuerza una cultura extraŮa que, adem√°s, tiene menos riqueza que la nuestra.


yes, is a economic question, ubi will realize that whitout the SH3 in spanish will mean that they will not sell in the spanish market. This will mean the bankrupt of UBI at those markets, beacause this measure is passing by all the games.
yes , is culture question, we do not accept that ubi will impose to us a strange culture, which by the way is less rich than ours.
(this is not an exact translation)


you say that kids whit 13 don't speak well english?!?! in portugal, kids start to learn english since they get 7.
at this days someone that doesn‚¬īt speak more than one language will have serious problems in is professional future.
i‚¬īve never learned spanish in school, but i understand it well, because of is similarities to portuguese, but the spanish people that i‚¬īve seen here in portugal simply don‚¬īt want to talk other languages than spanish whit the native people.
why this happens? because everything or almost everything in their country is in spanish, people wake up, spanish, portuguese, german, french... the language of the future will be english, the other languages will be remembered as a local dialect. start learning english...

Messervy
12-09-2004, 07:54 AM
Bravo!
That`s the very core of the problem! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Mix-Martes86
12-09-2004, 08:44 AM
In the 18th Century, France was the model of country to follow, its culture was imitated everywhere and even the Russian royal court spoke French, and it wasn't precisely because of its colonies, but because of its political power, because of the influence of its culture. Now in the 21st Century, it happens exactly the same with the American culture and English. But it is a temporary fashion, so maybe in the 24th Century, the whole world speaks Spanish, or Chinese or Indian. What future does English represent? Just a near future, like it was the Spanish Empire.

About the "Spanish-spam", there have been only 10 threads opened by the Spanish people demanding a Spanish SH3 (plus 1 opened by RedTerex, that makes 11). Of these 10 threads, only 2 of them are among the 30 first threads located in the first page of the forum. And only 3 threads of these 10 are in the first page. Most of the last posts there were in English, and were answers to what you've been saying, so where's the spam?? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif And if you're still considering these 2 threads as spam, then don't read them if you're then going to complain and don't tell me that excuse of your curiosity. That's the childish behaviour, because we already stopped the flooding, but seems that you're wanting it back, because you don't stop returning at it.

And if you got better ideas and ways, tell them. But don't tell things that won't work.

Capt.LoneRanger
12-09-2004, 09:27 AM
"only 10 threads" on the same topic = no spam http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> In the 18th Century, France was the model of country to follow, its culture was imitated everywhere and even the Russian royal court spoke French, and it wasn't precisely because of its colonies, but because of its political power, because of the influence of its culture. Now in the 21st Century, it happens exactly the same with the American culture and English. But it is a temporary fashion, so maybe in the 24th Century, the whole world speaks Spanish, or Chinese or Indian. What future does English represent? Just a near future, like it was the Spanish Empire. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sure, but if that is the case (and infact Spanish is the 2nd foreign language on many German schools) we'd all speak Spanish, so what? Do we have to accept Spanish culture, too? Nope. There is a difference of being able to speak another countries language and try to understand cultures and deny speaking foreign languages for some national reasons. The way you put it sounds like you live in the 17th century and are at war with the Commonwealth http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

bertgang
12-09-2004, 10:48 AM
Only to add fuel on the fire:

don't forget a good chinese traslation, as China is a very large market.

Capt.LoneRanger
12-09-2004, 10:51 AM
Definately the most possible customers http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

and actually more likely to become the 24th century language http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

Mix-Martes86
12-09-2004, 11:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:
"only 10 threads" on the same topic = no spam http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, there have been the same number or even more demo-threads and I haven't seen any "I don't want a demo" thread, despite if they used a sarcastic tone or not. And a demo would really consume the Devs time, but there are a lot of guys asking for it.


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Sure, but if that is the case (and infact Spanish is the 2nd foreign language on many German schools) we'd all speak Spanish, so what? Do we have to accept Spanish culture, too? Nope. There is a difference of being able to speak another countries language and try to understand cultures and deny speaking foreign languages for some national reasons. The way you put it sounds like you live in the 17th century and are at war with the Commonwealth http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You don't have to accept the Spanish culture, it accepts you. The same happens with the American culture: you see so many McDonald's and PizzaHut's that you finally end having a meal in one of these, and I can tell you of this by my own experience. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
For languages is the same thing. The language accepts you. You need some things that you need very much, but they're in a foreign language you don't understand. In that case you have to adapt to the language, but it comes to a point that it's really annoying not to get anything in the language your thoughts are. We've arrived to that point and we're also solidarized with the guys that can't speak English nor learn it, because as you may have guessed, I write very well in English and I've got no problems to understand most of the things in English.
Anyways, I'm a men of peace, no war with the Common' intended. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

DrakeMaethor
12-09-2004, 12:41 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by rickmer:
the language of the future will be english, the other languages will be remembered as a local dialect. start learning english... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh, sorry to dissapoint you but according to an article in the magazine Science, and I quote, "English is losing ground quickly as the world‚‚ā¨ôs dominant language."

In 50 years, the author says, Chinese will be the world‚‚ā¨ôs most spoken language (166 million), with Hindi-Urdu of India (73.7 million) and Arabic (72.2 million) surpassing English, which will have only 65 million native speakers. Spanish (62.8 million) will be nearly equivalent to English in use.

So, say bye bye to your view of global future!

Ah, here is the link, enjoy! http://www.todaysengineer.org/Apr04/worldbytes.asp

Mix-Martes86
12-09-2004, 12:54 PM
Hehe, seems like I wasn't wrong in my calculations about population, but I made a little mistake about the time. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Jose.MaC
12-09-2004, 02:24 PM
Hope is not Cantonese, has an insanely difficult to pronounce. I prefer Mandarin, quite euphonic, don't you?

Mix-Martes86
12-09-2004, 02:27 PM
Can you really speak Chinese or is it that you've been able to listen both modalities?

TIBURONBLANCO
12-09-2004, 02:31 PM
SIN DUDA EL 38% ES MI NUMERO FAVORITO

CREO QUE POCOS PUEDEN TENER MAYOR CUOTA DE MERCADO

UNO DE CADA TRES HABLA ESPAōOL

POR ESO ES LA LEGUA MAS HABLADA EN MAS CONTINENTES DEL MUNDO http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Capt.LoneRanger
12-09-2004, 02:33 PM
You know, this whole language thing is really ridiculous. If it was a game made by British or US developers, okay, this kind of supression would be acceptable, but do you even know where the devs come from? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif [points east as a hint]

Oh, and since you mentioned the demo-threads - THEY really turned into a flame-bath. But they were not opened by the same people over and over again. That's the thing that actually makes something a spam by definition http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Pr0metheus 1962
12-09-2004, 02:50 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:
But they were not opened by the same people over and over again. That's the thing that actually makes something a spam by definition http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Exactly. They spammed this forum (sure - only ten threads, but they made sure they were the ten top threads for days), and now, due to the fear on the part of our Spanish members of something that's probably never going to happen, there's a well-deserved backlash.

I mean, what made these people come up with this non-issue in the first place? If I was Spanish I'd have to be a conspiracy nut with a pronounced persecution complex in order to get all riled-up about baseless fears that there would not be a Spanish language version. I mean this issue is nonsense - they've pulled it out of thin air. There's NO EVIDENCE AT ALL that the game won't be released in a Spanish version.

If everyone here behaved the way the Spanish folks here have behaved, there would be spam about the so-called 'fact' that SH3 will have big pink elephants swimming in the Atlantic, or people would be raging about the 'fact' that the game has no 3D U-Boat pens (no one at UbiSoft has actually said they will be in the game, so by the Spanish logic they don't exist).

I mean these folks have completely lost their grip on reality, and are working from irrational fears rather than reason and logic. I used to wonder why the inquisition got its worst reputation in Spain - now the reason is becoming clear to me.

Pr0metheus 1962
12-09-2004, 03:12 PM
Chapman: Trouble at mill.
Cleveland: Oh no - what kind of trouble?
Chapman: One on't cross beams gone owt askew on treadle.
Cleveland: Pardon?
Chapman: One on't cross beams gone owt askew on treadle.
Cleveland: I don't understand what you're saying.
Chapman: [slightly irritatedly and with exaggeratedly clear accent] One of the cross beams has gone out askew on the treadle.
Cleveland: Well what on earth does that mean?
Chapman: *I* don't know - Mr Wentworth just told me to come in here and say that there was trouble at the mill, that's all - I didn't expect a kind of Spanish Inquisition.

[JARRING CHORD]


[The door flies open and Cardinal Ximinez of Spain [Palin] enters, flanked by two junior cardinals. Cardinal Biggles [Jones] has goggles pushed over his forehead. Cardinal Fang [Gilliam] is just Cardinal Fang]

Ximinez: NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition! Our chief weapon is surprise...surprise and fear...fear and surprise.... Our two weapons are fear and surprise...and ruthless efficiency.... Our *three* weapons are fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency...and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope.... Our *four*...no... *Amongst* our weapons.... Amongst our weaponry...are such elements as fear, surprise.... I'll come in again.

[The Inquisition exits]

Chapman: I didn't expect a kind of Spanish Inquisition.

[JARRING CHORD]


[The cardinals burst in]

Ximinez: NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition! Amongst our weaponry are such diverse elements as: fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope, and nice red uniforms - Oh ****!
[To Cardinal Biggles] I can't say it - you'll have to say it.
Biggles: What?
Ximinez: You'll have to say the bit about 'Our chief weapons are ...'
Biggles: [rather horrified]: I couldn't do that...

[Ximinez bundles the cardinals outside again]

Chapman: I didn't expect a kind of Spanish Inquisition.

[JARRING CHORD]

[The cardinals enter]

Biggles: Er.... Nobody...um....
Ximinez: Expects...
Biggles: Expects... Nobody expects the...um...the Spanish...um...
Ximinez: Inquisition.
Biggles: I know, I know! Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition. In fact, those who do expect -
Ximinez: Our chief weapons are...
Biggles: Our chief weapons are...um...er...
Ximinez: Surprise...
Biggles: Surprise and --
Ximinez: Okay, stop. Stop. Stop there - stop there. Stop. Phew! Ah! ... our chief weapons are surprise...blah blah blah. Cardinal, read the charges.
Fang: You are hereby charged that you did on diverse dates commit heresy against the Holy Church. 'My old man said follow the--'
Biggles: That's enough.
[To Cleveland] Now, how do you plead?
Clevelnd: We're innocent.
Ximinez: Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!

[DIABOLICAL LAUGHTER]

Biggles: We'll soon change your mind about that!

[DIABOLICAL ACTING]

Ximinez: Fear, surprise, and a most ruthless-- [controls himself with a supreme effort] Ooooh! Now, Cardinal -- the rack!

[Biggles produces a plastic-coated dish-drying rack. Ximinez looks at it and clenches his teeth in an effort not to lose control. He hums heavily to cover his anger]

Ximinez: You....Right! Tie her down.

[Fang and Biggles make a pathetic attempt to tie her on to the drying rack]

Ximinez:Right! How do you plead?
Clevelnd: Innocent.
Ximinez: Ha! Right! Cardinal, give the rack [oh dear] give the rack a turn.

[Biggles stands their awkwardly and shrugs his shoulders]

Biggles: I....
Ximinez: [gritting his teeth] I *know*, I know you can't. I didn't want to say anything. I just wanted to try and ignore your crass mistake.
Biggles: I...
Ximinez: It makes it all seem so stupid.
Biggles: Shall I...?
Ximinez: No, just pretend for God's sake. Ha! Ha! Ha!

[Biggles turns an imaginary handle on the side of the dish-rack]

[Cut to them torturing a dear old lady, Marjorie Wilde]

Ximinez: Now, old woman -- you are accused of heresy on three counts -- heresy by thought, heresy by word, heresy by deed, and heresy by action -- *four* counts. Do you confess?
Wilde: I don't understand what I'm accused of.
Ximinez: Ha! Then we'll make you understand! Biggles! Fetch...THE CUSHIONS!

[JARRING CHORD]

[Biggles holds out two ordinary modern household cushions]

Biggles: Here they are, lord.
Ximinez: Now, old lady -- you have one last chance. Confess the heinous sin of heresy, reject the works of the ungodly -- *two* last chances. And you shall be free -- *three* last chances. You have three last chances, the nature of which I have divulged in my previous utterance.
Wilde: I don't know what you're talking about.
Ximinez: Right! If that's the way you want it -- Cardinal! Poke her with the soft cushions!

[Biggles carries out this rather pathetic torture]

Ximinez: Confess! Confess! Confess!
Biggles: It doesn't seem to be hurting her, lord.
Ximinez: Have you got all the stuffing up one end?
Biggles: Yes, lord.
Ximinez [angrily hurling away the cushions]: Hm! She is made of harder stuff! Cardinal Fang! Fetch...THE COMFY CHAIR!

[JARRING CHORD]

[Zoom into Fang's horrified face]

Fang [terrified]: The...Comfy Chair?

[Biggles pushes in a comfy chair -- a really plush one]

Ximinez: So you think you are strong because you can survive the soft cushions. Well, we shall see. Biggles! Put her in the Comfy Chair!

[They roughly push her into the Comfy Chair]

Ximinez [with a cruel leer]: Now -- you will stay in the Comfy Chair until lunch time, with only a cup of coffee at eleven. [aside, to Biggles] Is that really all it is?
Biggles: Yes, lord.
Ximinez: I see. I suppose we make it worse by shouting a lot, do we? Confess, woman. Confess! Confess! Confess! Confess
Biggles: I confess!
Ximinez: Not you!

Capt.LoneRanger
12-09-2004, 03:14 PM
Agreed, Beeryus!

And you can actually see what happens because of this whitchhunt for a Spanish Version, by the spam and the way some people demand things by the "I Don't Want A Spanish SH-3"-thread. He didn't even say, that he does not want there to be a Spanish version at all, just that he doesn't want one for himself.

And even though Lanzfeld actually wrote that it was a joke, that he wrote that this SpanishVersion thing is slipping out of hand, look how he is flamed by people calling themselves to defend just opinions.

I really don't get it any more.

I even supported their thread, but now I'd really laugh my a55 of, if there is no Spanish version. Sorry, but as more and more people here, I get really p*ssed of by some peoples attitude, how they hijack posts and claim it to be their right, while denying us the right to say our opinion. I really can't stand it any more, how egocentrical some people here are.

hauitsme
12-09-2004, 03:20 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>There's NO EVIDENCE AT ALL that the game won't be released in a Spanish version. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
There's NO EVIDENCE AT ALL that the game WILL be released in a Spanish version.

Pr0metheus 1962
12-09-2004, 03:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:
I even supported their thread, but now I'd really laugh my a55 of, if there is no Spanish version. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm getting to that point too.

What will probably happen is that the game will be issued in Spanish in Spanish-speaking countries (which is the usual way it's done) and all the Spanish folks here will spend weeks spamming the forums and saying "See! We would never have got a Spanish version if we hadn't fought for it!!!"

That's how wacky these folks are - they think the world revolves around them, they think everyone is out to get them, and then when they find they're actually not being persecuted, they think it's only that way because they fought tooth-and-nail to prevent the sky falling.

Pr0metheus 1962
12-09-2004, 03:33 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by hauitsme:
There's NO EVIDENCE AT ALL that the game WILL be released in a Spanish version. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

"Qui tacet consentit" - Silence implies consent. You have to assume it will be released in Spanish until evidence appears that proves otherwise.

hauitsme
12-09-2004, 03:43 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Silence implies consent. You have to assume it will be released in Spanish until evidence appears that proves otherwise. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
So there IS a Russian version! And Chinese!! And ..... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/351.gif

Pr0metheus 1962
12-09-2004, 04:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by hauitsme:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Silence implies consent. You have to assume it will be released in Spanish until evidence appears that proves otherwise. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
So there IS a Russian version! And Chinese!! And ..... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/351.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

We must assume that. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/351.gif

Mix-Martes86
12-09-2004, 04:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Beeryus:
If everyone here behaved the way the Spanish folks here have behaved, there would be spam about the so-called 'fact' that SH3 will have big pink elephants swimming in the Atlantic, or people would be raging about the 'fact' that the game has no 3D U-Boat pens (no one at UbiSoft has actually said they will be in the game, so by the Spanish logic they don't exist).

I mean these folks have completely lost their grip on reality, and are working from irrational fears rather than reason and logic. I used to wonder why the inquisition got its worst reputation in Spain - now the reason is becoming clear to me. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Slow down my dear friend, things are not that way, you're confusing terms.
First, who in this forum would claim for big pinky elephants swimming in the Atlantic? Do it if you want, but I doubt that there is anyone that wants to do such thing. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif
Second, actually, there are pics of 3D U-Boot pens, so we are not able to deny that. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
Third: I can't tell if this was a sarcasm of yours or not, but most of the things ridiculizing all our activities are in your opinion sarcasm, so...
In case you didn't knew, the Inquisition got its worst reputation because of the continuous ban to everything that was in contradiction with what the Bible said, and they also put in the brig or burnt alive those who said these things, so, if we were the Inquisition, we would have "judged" you, then banned your ideas and then pressed you to resign from your ideas and we are not doing any of these.

And I say you the same Capt.LoneRanger, nobody is banning your opinions, you can say whatever you want, but it's very likely to have the guys to disagree with you if you say something that they don't like.

Hauitsme! Seems you are the only one to understand the basics of that evidence thing. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Pr0metheus 1962
12-09-2004, 07:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mix-Martes86:
Hauitsme! Seems you are the only one to understand the basics of that evidence thing. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's incredible that now the Spanish contingent is rallying round the forum's resident troll. I guess adversity really does make strange bedfellows.

AKA44
12-09-2004, 08:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> The spanish spoken videogames market is about 38% of the total... (according to Sierra). Seg√¬ļn Sierra, la cuota de mercado de los v√¬*deo jugadores de habla hispana es del 38% del total.
A ver si Ubi lo tien <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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Mix-Martes86
12-10-2004, 04:46 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Beeryus:
It's incredible that now the Spanish contingent is rallying round the forum's resident troll. I guess adversity really does make strange bedfellows. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

We don't know him personally to start insulting him so early, so if he shows good arguments, we'll support him, of course.

Pr0metheus 1962
12-10-2004, 07:04 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mix-Martes86:
We don't know him personally to start insulting him so early, so if he shows good arguments, we'll support him, of course. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's an internet forum - you don't get to know members personally. If you haven't figured out yet that he's a troll, you never will.

Mix-Martes86
12-10-2004, 07:09 AM
Well, you can say that he is a troll, but it seems that you're engaged in a war with him, so I won't take that option. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

hauitsme
12-10-2004, 10:21 AM
He's at war with anyone that doesn't agree with his views. Why do you think he ran from SubSim? Could it be he met others that caught him in his ignorance? Just look how he replied to someone that agrees with you. I'm not at war with anyone. If someone says something that's not right, I'll let them know it. If I keep after them for an answer to a question they won't answer, so what? Answer the question. I've never personally attacked anyone here once since I joined in July. He's only been posting here for a month and already has called two people '******', two people 'trolls', and if you read his recent replies to your protests, he's getting to sound a lot like a racist too. A 'know-it-all' that doesn't.

bertgang
12-10-2004, 10:47 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by hauitsme:
I've never personally attacked anyone here once since I joined in July. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's your point of wiew, maybe your honest feeling, but I know that lot of people here could disagree about that as, sometimes, your talking style wasn't lovely at all.

Not my problem, as I've really nothing against you, only an unspecified feeling of mine...

Mix-Martes86
12-10-2004, 11:15 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by hauitsme:
(...) and if you read his recent replies to your protests, he's getting to sound a lot like a racist too. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

A few guys at the Flotilla have recently told me that they have somewhat of a feeling that they're being discriminated. That wouldn't surprise me, but I would better say them that we're being ridiculized. Discrimination is yet a very extreme position. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

hauitsme
12-10-2004, 11:18 AM
I've opposed/questioned/attacked their views/reasoning and ideas, not them. If they take any opposition/questions/attacks to their posts as personal, then perhaps they shouldn't say anything that someone will have a different/opposite view from their own. Just because I may not agree with you doesn't mean it's personal. Show me a personal attack I've made against them, not their post, but them. Not something you may see as implied, but a actual "You are a "*&^&%$#!" personal attack.

Mix-Martes86
12-10-2004, 11:29 AM
Evidences. That's what counts. Or well argumentated opinions, depending on the issue. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif