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Uufflakke
12-24-2008, 06:24 AM
I happened to see these photos of the same crashed plane on two different sites. The only info from the tourists is about the fact it is a WWII plane somewhere in the Western Sahara of Egypt.
I am just curious about the ID of this "plane" or what is left over of it. All extra info is welcome ofcourse.

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh195/Uufflakke/Crashedplane01.jpg

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh195/Uufflakke/Crashedplane02.jpg

JSG72
12-24-2008, 06:50 AM
Fiat CR42?

Just cause the skeleton would be fabic covered and the wheel legs look as though they may have had Trousers. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Searching. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/typing.gif
Looks like I am wide of the mark.

And Why have I got so much time on my hands? It's bloomin' Xmas eve! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

My Wife is very understanding http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

Uufflakke
12-24-2008, 08:33 AM
So while your wife is making preparations for Christmas eve you are still surfing the internet.
She must be really understanding, she knows what has priorities: IL2.

But this wreckage isn't a CR42? Probably it ain't a WWII plane but the tourist guides take advantage of the ignorance of travellers...
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Till so far I haven't found any info about the plane.

JSG72
12-24-2008, 08:55 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

It's not so much love/understanding. More, they are held to ransom.

http://images.fotopic.net/yw2d9d.jpg

Lorna and Rory.

Merry Xmas

erco415
12-24-2008, 09:16 AM
Nice picture!

I'm thinking something fixed gear as well, fabric covered, single engine. The landing gear struts are straight, so that rules out a Lysander, nor are they quite right for a Storch. I am thinking something British. Time to get out the books.

Merry Christmas!

K_Freddie
12-24-2008, 09:24 AM
Possibly an interwar bomber, but I have the following problems with it
- the frame (width) is too big for a fighter and too small for a bomber.
- The frame grid does not look right.
- The wheel structs (if they are that) look like they're from a bigger plane, and the metal looks to be much different.
- Err why is this guy's face painted out ??

So in all, as been mentioned, I think this is a BS story created by the locals. I see this type of BS a lot around here where I live.
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jarink
12-24-2008, 09:44 AM
Leftover Cessna 152 parts.

Urufu_Shinjiro
12-24-2008, 09:50 AM
Originally posted by JSG72:
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It's not so much love/understanding. More, they are held to ransom.

http://images.fotopic.net/yw2d9d.jpg

Lorna and Rory.

Merry Xmas

Nice looking family there JSG72. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

JSG72
12-24-2008, 10:42 AM
Thanks! Urufu.

'Tis not everyone who can request their wife to Leap off a "Tallboy" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Tending to agree with the others. Looks like a collection of "Bits'n Pieces"

Divine-Wind
12-24-2008, 10:57 AM
We used to have some toys, kind of like life-sized erector set pieces, that we used to make airplanes, submarines, etc, out of.

I've forgotten the name of that toy set, but this looks exactly like that. I don't know squat about aircraft manufacturing, but TBH this doesn't really like anything aerodynamic at all. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif Maybe it's just because there's no surface covering it, but it just looks so blocky...

Freiwillige
12-24-2008, 01:28 PM
That frame seems to be just parts leaning against other parts so its hard to tell whats actually connected and how much of the aircraft is actually still there. But judging the location my guess would be British manufacture.
Good luck on this one.....your gonna need it!
Still the gears seem to offer the best clue.
Hope this one gets figured out cause im curious!

mortoma
12-25-2008, 07:44 PM
When they restore it we'll all find out http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Ba5tard5word
12-26-2008, 12:31 AM
???


http://www.flightglobal.com/airspace/photos/militaryaviation1903-1945cutaways/images/10588/hawker-hurricane-cutaway.jpg

Esel1964
12-26-2008, 01:17 AM
Wild guess: Fieseler Fi 156/256 "Storch" ?

VF-17_Jolly
12-26-2008, 10:40 AM
http://www.rafmuseum.org.uk/cosford/collections/aircraft/aircraft_images/enlarged/hind.jpg

Afghan/Iranian airforce?

larschance
12-27-2008, 06:59 AM
Possibly a Savoia bomber or a Breda 65 two seater. The round part of the upper frame looks like a gun turret ring for a dorsal gun. The Breda was bigger than a normal sef but smaller than a medium bomber. The framework on the other hand could be from Hawkers.Most pre war types used similar structures.

larschance
12-27-2008, 07:05 AM
Sorry scrap the previous note as the first photo didnt load until later. On checking properly it looks possibly like a Ro37 recce plane if it is Italian.

jannaspookie
12-29-2008, 01:16 AM
The previous guesses of Hawker Hurricane, Hawker Hart, Breda Ba.65, Savoia Marchetti (SM.79 or 81?), and IMAM Ro.37 don't match the main wheel struts in the first picture. After eliminating my own guesses, I give up. I even thought maybe it was a Dragon Rapide (that's how stumped I've become). Here's my two cents though: the square frame is small, yet seems to have multiple doorways through it. This seems to be too much internal space for a two-seat observer, yet not enough to carry seats like in a transport. This makes me think bomber. However, I can't find any pre- or early war bombers that have square formers with rounded tops and still have those struts. The short length of the struts seems odd for a bomber though. I don't know! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

X32Wright
12-29-2008, 01:37 AM
It looks like a BREDA Ba.65 based on the wheel struts on the back of the picture.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breda_Ba.65

http://www.comandosupremo.com/Bredaba65.html

Size and space of the fuselage also points to it being a breda ba.65

Feathered_IV
12-29-2008, 05:24 AM
Certainly looks Italian. A brace of rare Italian wrbirds were found in Afghanistan over the last few years. Several have been recovered for restoration. A copy of Classic wings had an article on the types involved. One was a chunky, two seat biplane with the remains looking very much like those above. Haven't found the correct issue, but here's a link to the other aircraft:

http://warbirdinformationexchange.org/phpBB2/viewtopic....6562776d58e710826f54 (http://warbirdinformationexchange.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=131806&sid=aa69bbe7f8be6562776d58e710826f54)

http://www.aviastar.org/air/italy/meridionali_ro-37.php

http://www.aviastar.org/pictures/italy/meridionali_ro-37.jpg

Uufflakke
12-29-2008, 01:49 PM
I still think these remaining parts are from two different planes. The parts where the guy is standing in could have been from a Romeo Ro.37 because of its blocky shape. But the landing gear looks retractable and seems too heavy for a plane like this.
Maybe the gear is from a Breda Ba.65 but it is hard to see 'cause on every picture I 've found it is covered up by a lightcoloured part (I think for camouflage reasons so it matches with the colour of the wings.)

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh195/Uufflakke/RomeoRo37.jpg

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh195/Uufflakke/ba65_3st_pantelleria1941.jpg

Aaron_GT
12-29-2008, 01:54 PM
Might be left overs from an old temporary Italian airstrip then?

eindecker
12-29-2008, 08:06 PM
Originally posted by larschance:
Possibly a Savoia bomber or a Breda 65 two seater. The round part of the upper frame looks like a gun turret ring for a dorsal gun. The Breda was bigger than a normal sef but smaller than a medium bomber. The framework on the other hand could be from Hawkers.Most pre war types used similar structures.

larschance, You get the cupie doll.
It's a "Breda Ba.65".
I have spent hours searching and found little.
But the drawings and photographs show me at least
there are no remains there not consistant with a Breda Ba.65.
The landing gear are a perfect match.
The gent standing in the gunners area is facing the tail.
The gear are where they should be in relation to
the fuselage. I suspect this is not a crash site
and is more likely a disabled plane picked clean
in it's operational lifetime and later by the local bedowin.

Eindecker

larschance
12-30-2008, 02:05 AM
Thanks Eindecker. Does this cupie doll cook and sew and do all those things a man could wish for without argument or persuasion. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif
I understand the Breda 65 proved limited in operational use so were soon used as decoys for ground strafers by being scattered around airfields in North Africa by end 1940 or early 1941. This would have left them open to scavenging by passing arabs and war belligerents along with any other unwanted aircraft wrecks lying around.

Friendly_flyer
12-30-2008, 03:44 AM
My initial thought was Hurricane, but the tubes in the Hurri tail was fitted together with with various fittings, those on the picture seem to be welded. The same method was used in other Hawker planes as well, so that rules out the Hind/Hart too. I'd go with an Italian plane.

Uufflakke
03-30-2009, 06:56 AM
I just happened to see another image of the same plane. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif
Actually I was searching for something else.
I think this plane is a kind of sightseeing attraction in the desert and one of the tourists shows the exact location on his mobile.

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh195/Uufflakke/Wreck.jpg

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh195/Uufflakke/Location_Phone.jpg

So the plane must be...here! If some of you are in the neighbourhood, have a look. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh195/Uufflakke/Location_Wreck.jpg

SabreF-86
03-30-2009, 06:36 PM
Im thinking this is a tourist trap. The airframe looks like perhaps an Avro Anson or something, and the landing gear looks to me like Stuka gear.

Sabre

SabreF-86
03-30-2009, 06:37 PM
Another thing to ponder is just how it ended up at exactly 29n and 27e?

Sabre

Urufu_Shinjiro
03-31-2009, 10:47 AM
Forget the plane, who's the hottie in the black outfit? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Uufflakke
03-31-2009, 11:27 AM
Originally posted by Urufu_Shinjiro:
Forget the plane, who's the hottie in the black outfit? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Well, according the site where I found this image her name is Mariel (and the girl with the orange coloured shirt is Femke)
Just in case...